PC gamers:U$299 PC vs Xbox One / $198 PC vs past gen console

@bldgirsh: It can't come alive without a power supply ;)

Your wrong as well so I wouldn't be gloating.... Manufacturers recommend specific wattage amounts based on "mediocre" to "average" quality psu's and mark them up to cover their own asses.

Total wattage needed of the TC's build is less then 250w , And "your" 270 uses around 150w So a typical system load with a 270 would only use upto 300w at best. So again you dont need 500w psu as long as the psu can supply the Amperes need through the 12v rail.

Here is chart showing total usage of the pc of multiple cards with max usage which is hardly never seen with games so with normal gaming usage you would see is 20w or more cut from these totals

Build specs i7 4960x @4.2 ghz four sticks of ram and a SSD with all the gpu's below

Even with a 280x which is a 7970 ghz still is under 400w

But we can agree on that those diablotek psu's suck big time and shouldn't even be looked at.

But can this $300 PC play Uncharted, TLoU, God of War, Red Dead Redemption, Infamous, Killzone, Metal Gear Solid, Drive Club, The Order.....any of those games?

The new ones...not the old as dirt ones that I know the PC lackies will boast about: "MY PC CAN PLAY METAL GEAR SOLID!!!!!...you didn't say not the 1998 one....SO YEAH....IT CAN PLAY MGS!!!!"

It can't? Then I'm not sure if this thread proves anything worth while.

Didn't need to bring your fanboyism in this thread... mostly everyone agrees with the bold statement <.< But thanks for letting me know that you're the new belligerent troll on SW's.

Those requirements are base on average quality psu's and are marked up to cover their asses. The actual usage of system with those gpu's at times are half of what the they recommend

Those psu dont lack safety features or they wouldnt be allowed on the market They have to have Over Voltage and Overload Protection. and they do work for the majority of the time But its no promise they cant damage items. All three of those DiabloTek psu's ive encounter blew up and the pc's had no damaged parts lucky for them. But yes never skimp on the PSU because good quality allows clean stable power can allow a decade of use for a pc.

I would say amps is more important.

You could have a 650watt power supply that fails to power a system and a 450 watt power supply that has no problem with that same build.

Cheap power supplies like to boast high wattage but then only dedicate a small portion to the 12v rails which is what powers most of your hardware from CPUs to GPUs.

Which is why they recommend higher wattage psu's then whats needed because those higher wattage psu's tend to be able to supply more Amperes. The actual wattage used isnt the whole picture but even with mediocre 500w psu's are able to supply at least 25A on the 12 rail/s which is called for with a 270x is a psu able to provide 24 amps, hence the 500w requirement.

You can find 80+ gold rated psu's that only have a wattage of around 350w but are able to provide 30A on 12v rail.

ermm i got windows free from msdn.

What's your point? We know the PC can't play any of those. Neither can the XB1 which is the console the $299 PC is being compared to in this thread.

Exactly, PC gaming is for those who can afford it. Those who can afford the best, get the best, its that simple.

i game on both pc and console but hermits need to stop trying to sell awful pcs that might not even work to console gamers.

Most hermits would not been caught dead with a pc like that.

Consoles and pc are different markets its like calling a freight train the Ferrari killer because its more powerful.

This is a comparitive PC to PS4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQjHR82vj7c

So much wrong with that post.

If you read any in-depth reviews on power supplies you would know just how big of a difference some power supplies are.

One of the many important things is having good capacitors. Solid capacitors are usually of better quality and are usually produced in Japan.

There are also many other smaller things that can make a huge difference in a power supply like how well cooled it is.

Power supplies that run hot will lose their efficiency much faster.

Also cheaper power supplies usually have high ripple and poor voltage regulation.

I could go on and on about all the things that differ from quality power supplies to cheap ones.

Sure you can go with a cheap power supply and you may luck out with it lasting years, but there is a much higher chance of it failing early on and taking a bunch of other pc components with it.

And with how poor at efficiency they are you will spend more money on your electric bill than if you just bought a better more efficient power supply.

If my PC build is not super high end I usually meet half way with a power supply and go for one that is cheaper but not bargain bin cheap.

I've found good power supplies on sale for around 45-50USD.

Not everyone has access to MSDN.

Yet your power supply cost you more in the long run with how inefficient it is.

If you tell me the exact model for your power supply I could get a better estimate but looking at similar ones I can say that they are very inefficient.

This means they have to draw more power from the socket to provide the wattage needed.

For example a good power supply has around 80% efficiency or better when at higher loads.

This means if the power supply needs 500 watts it will take 600 watts from the wall.

Your power supply is a lot less efficient so it will take much more wattage to supply the power supply with what it needs which over time makes it cost more.

And since it's a cheap power supply it will be stressed out more which will make it heat up and lose even more efficiency over time.

There is a reason almost everyone who builds a gaming rig goes for better quality power supplies and they avoid the cheap ones like the plague.

So wrong. When you buy cheap you get cheap.... Have you ever looked inside cheap psu vs good quality one? Have ever seen tests done? showing how stable or clean the power is and can the psu supply the rated amount as its specs suggest.You arguing that all are the same is telling and shows that you have no idea what your talking about and are playing russian roulette because you are ignoring the facts.

Diablotek is one of crappy brands you can buy and is three of three with failing with my experience. Seen a 400w diablotek fail in a pc that didn't even use 150w at full load. Logisys is barely one step above Diablotek in quality. There are PSU quality tiers 1-5.... 1 being best quality and 5 being worse. Type 3 and below is when things are sacrificed for cost. Tier 3 in general meets standard ATX specifications, these are still solid units, which still supply stable power to your system, but do have lower life spans or slightly lower power output than rated. Examples are budget psu's from Antec. or standard psu's used by Cooler master or Thermaltake.

Tier 4 use cheaper components, they may not even meet ATX requirements and always never reach claimed specs. Examples like Ultra LS series, Xion real power series.

Now Tier 5 psu which include all of diablotek and most logisys psu's, Use cheapest parts available, tend have the shortest lifespans, never reach ATX requirements and specs claimed. Smart thing to do is to replace those immediately. Anyone with a half of a brain should not recommended them for any system, no matter the purpose. They do not provide clean stable power, they can short lifespans of components and or destroy them. Example Diablotek PHD 650w PSU. Which has the looks but not where it counts testing done by HardOCP

"It has been a long time since we have seen such a useless power supply come through our review process. In fact the only unit I remember off the top of my head that comes close to matching this piece of crap was the Ultra X2 750W EE (Exploding Edition). I think one of the best things I can say about the Diablotek PHD650 is that it gives me a real legitimate reason to recommend the Cooler Master GX 650 watts over some other unit. Congratulations in that regard Diablotek, you just made another piece of goose crap look like the golden egg. Otherwise I think the rest of my thoughts on this unit are probably not printable and use a lot of four letter words.

With the PHD650, Diablotek seemingly tried to polish a turd with a turd and as such we got the expected outcome, a pile of crap. Given the horrible build quality of the unit and poor component selection of the unit that is hardly a startling result. With a current price of ~$49.99, users would be better off taking their cash and setting it on fire rather than buying this unit. There is quite literally no price point or situation where the Diablotek PHD650 should be a consideration for users as it failed almost every test possible today. Retailers and e-tailers should be ashamed to be selling such a product."

meh, i built an 800 dollar computer over 1.5 years ago and still trumps this pc you posted.

i7 3770k

gtx 670

16 gb ram ddr3

256 gb samsung ssd

crosair 750 watt psu gold certified

gigabyte mobo

Excessive trolling here.

From a Logisys review:

We were surprised to discover that power supplies with fake wattages and fake 80 Plus logos were being sold in the United States. We thought it was illegal to sell this kind of junk in America.

The Logisys PS6000A12 has "garbage" written all over it. It is labeled as 600 W continuous and 630 W peak, but it burned when we tried to pull 375 W from it.

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Logisys-PS600A12-Power-Supply-Review/1211/9

Another review

but the complete mismatch of the ratings and reality, plus the >200 mV of ripple on the 3.3 V rail, land this unit in the Fail category. I strongly recommend paying the extra few bucks to get a known good power supply, you’d be mighty unhappy if your attempt to save <$30 cost you hundreds of dollars in ripple-fried equipment.

http://www.overclockers.com/logisys-ps480x2-review

unless there were some crazy deals invovled, that doesn't seem to add up

Must be a drug lord

it was built around black friday 2012. also im a part of the intel retail edge program

ah, that makes a lot more sense

Anecdotal evidence at its very best. Are you seriously going to ignore all the evidence regarding these cheap PSU's? Are you seriously continuing to believe that all PSU's are created equally? Man you delusional.

"let's use the argument from personal experience and hearsay from the web instead of all the positive reviews on sites like newegg, tigerdirect, amazon, etc"

Uh...aren't those just arguments from personal experience and hearsay from the web as well...

Dude! Are you seriously this stupid? We have presented you with evidence from certified review sites that have tested these units and have found them to under perform on a massive scale. Are you seriously going to refute that?

bu...bu... bu... but what about the reviews people post on those online part stores saying they work!

Problem is that for how long and will they take out parts as they die is up to chance, and the fact that real tests have been done those cheap POS psu's show a trend that they dont even work correctly and suck speak volumes. So if he wants to be an idiot and wants to play russian roulette with this computer go ahead dont cry on pc hardware forum afterward when it dies and possibly did more damage.

remaining in business does not necessarily mean you have a good product.

However one is a newegg/amazon review, while the other is from people who actually put the product to the test. Reviews do not all have equal significance.

"This "gotcha" bullshit doesn't work on people who are smarter than you."

I hope you're not referring to yourself

I found it funny when he tries to claim that all PSU's are created using the same cheap Chinese parts.

New Egg psu's sorted by best rating. Notice how all the big players have at least 1 or 2 psu's with a perfect rating while Logisys has none?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007657&IsNodeId=1

@jun_aka_pekto said:

@leandrro said:

but bro, i only have 300, and i cant play without kb and mouse... what you got for me?

Buy a cheap 360 or PS3 plus one of this:

Penguin United Eagle Eye keyboard and mouse converter.

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thoase things are terrible, i had all sorts of mouse and keyboard adapters, on PS2 PS3 and x360, they all suck, a 3 dollar mouse is 1 zillion times better , for a short time a had a 200 dollar PC (yes 200) and a PS3 and it was much better to play on the 200 dollar machine than on PS3 just because of kb and mouse

to be very sure, you just add cpu + gpu tdp (in tis case its 115+54=169) and divide them for 12, for this build you need 14A maximum, any shitty PSU delivers that

you sure need to add $80 (not 100) for windows, its true 95% of home users worldwide didnt pay full price for windows, but here we need to put this because console fanboys (wich mostly also didnt pay full price for windows) wont leave us in peace

a PC without windows and only steam OS is a crap, almost as crap as a X1 without live, no online games, no netflix no demos, no free-to-play, its worth nothing without the 300 dollars you must pay for Live

Sites like [H], Bit-tech, Johnny Guru. Sites that review and test products for a living, sites that are independent rather than Joe Shom on Newegg. There is a difference between something cheap and good like Corsair's CX series and the likes of what you are trying to pedal. Your car analogy you keep using is flawed. What you are saying is people should be buying Lada's because they are cheap but yet have the same quality as a BMW.

But I can still play Tomb Raider on my X1. I can't play that on your build. Again, you need Windows to play that so you need to factor that into your build! Also, that needs a citation, plus we are building a new PC from scratch.

Actually no the 260x requires psu to supply 19A

That includes the system items too

I love this, TC is getting smacked around for spreading lies.

@04dcarraher said:

@tormentos said:

@farrell2k said:

What the hell doesn't he understand? He posted the card's max watt usage. Do you understand that minimum recommendations for power supplies are RECOMMENDATIONS for average system builds when using that card? Is it so hard to comprehend the words average and recommendation? Every manufacturer will tell you the max watt usage of their devices. All you have to do is add them up! Did you stop believing in math or something?

I could care less what you and the other sad troll say,this the cardboard box my R9 270 came with,this are the requirements on the back and it clearly say freaking 500 watts or greater,and for Crossfire 600watts or greater,now who should i take as valid you or the damn card manufacturer.?

He used the same sh** PSU on another system already but pair with this ^^ same GPU,and i told him so and many people told him so the PSU was sh**,the only moron who doesn't know anything about PSU is you and him,which i really think now are the same loser.

Your wrong as well so I wouldn't be gloating.... Manufacturers recommend specific wattage amounts based on "mediocre" to "average" quality psu's and mark them up to cover their own asses.

Total wattage needed of the TC's build is less then 250w , And "your" 270 uses around 150w So a typical system load with a 270 would only use upto 300w at best. So again you dont need 500w psu as long as the psu can supply the Amperes need through the 12v rail.

Here is chart showing total usage of the pc of multiple cards with max usage which is hardly never seen with games so with normal gaming usage you would see is 20w or more cut from these totals

Build specs i7 4960x @4.2 ghz four sticks of ram and a SSD with all the gpu's below

Even with a 280x which is a 7970 ghz still is under 400w

But we can agree on that those diablotek psu's suck big time and shouldn't even be looked at.

the build is super low Wattage and only need 160W - 180W and will be fine with a shitty PSU

but look those desperate console fanboy, ive made a build with 299 dollars and all they can focus on is PSU? ok replace the cheap $ 29case with cheap PSU and put a $19 case with a very good 80 plus corsair $20 PSU,

them now its a U$309 PC buld that destroys Xbox One, is that less ridiculous for the people who paid $500 + will spend $300 in live + overpriced games and still have to play fps games on much a weaker machine with joysticks?