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Again with the ad hominems lol. You have integrity issues.

Ok fine, even if you don't need higher resolution. You're completely disregarding the fact that there will always be new games that push the standard for graphical fidelity. We're not talking about displaying a game like Watch Dogs maxed out in 4k, we're talking about games 3x the scope of Watch Dogs, there will always be evolution.

Your original post was saying that hardware would cap out in 5 years, that's just not going to happen.

Must've been changed... anyways stop plauging this thread with nationalities now. <.< At this moment PC gaming is in the lead, taking off nations to "even" the playing field somehow is just a Cranler-esque type of argument.

When they use the word "paying" in quotations that means that they are not sure (or not everyone pays) how many people actually contribute money to those games.

It's a cop out

Proof?

If they say "paying" then presumably they're counting players who have payed something... How can they not be sure? They just have to count how many players have payed money when playing these games.

@parkurtommo:

Graphic are hitting the upper limit. Dev's are crying about it... Cost is to great. 5 TFLOPs is almost enough for 1080. That's why I said 7 which is plenty for 1080 and future games for 60 FPS maxed. Plus DX 12 is coming which will help in performance increase.

All factors in my info.

Not surprising considering it's easier to get into than ever, and it's insanely cheap to game on PC.

Lots of people moving up from console gaming to save money, and get access to way more games.

paying wouldn't be in quotations otherwise. Back in the day when I played Rusescape I never payed a dime but I was counted towards the millions that played it.

paying is written the way it is as a way to generalize all the people together to make the number seem more appealing. You don't know how many people are paying to play games like LoL, Runescape, DOTA, World of Tanks

Yes you do, there are records of each payment, so obviously you can count who has payed and who hasn't. Why would they use "paying" instead of just players on it's own? Doesn't really make sense.

Nah dude, UE4 is already proof that smaller devs can make amazing looking games, engines just have to be more streamlined.

Even with UE3, The vanishing of Ethan Carter was made by like 3 dudes and it looks better than anything I've seen (with that kind of setting).

Of the "711 million" people playing those games, do you really think all are paying customers? Do you think ever player in DOTA, LoL and Runescape are paying customers?

That is the point I'm trying to make.

Pretty sure it just means that each user has at least paid once in this year. Albeit .99 cents to 1 million dollars (exaggeration.) They've contributed with monetary value at least once.

It wouldn't be in quotations if that where the case. Maybe though they are counting the people who "bought" (ie downloaded) these free to play games.

What BldgIrsh said (that's what I was trying to say anyways). You'd be surprised how many people decide to pay in an f2p environment. I came in to DOTA 2 expecting to never drop a penny. After about 2 years of playing it I had spent about 30 euros on it, and I don't even remember what I spent most of that on :P

PC gaming has a bright future.

@parkurtommo: I already ran UE4 tech demos on my GTX 690 and was getting 60 FPS. Only the cave demo put strain and it didn't very look good.

GTX 690 is a tad under 5 TFlops.

Well considering the demo is just inside a closed room I can't say i'm surprised by the results.

@bldgirsh: I don't think people remember Infiltrator demo and what they said. 1 GTX 680 can run it 60 fps.

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-680-powers-nextgeneration-unreal-engine-4-infiltrator-demo/

@bldgirsh : @ parkurtommo

Let me re-attempt to explain my point. The statistics quoted by the original poster are raw numbers. While true, they are not very useful for any serious analysis due to their broadness. Thus, they are useless for any meaningful discussion. My point in mentioning poorer nations versus wealthier ones is that, if we are to discuss said statistics, we need to understand the meaning behind the raw numbers. This is not an attack on PC gaming or an attempt to bolster the consoles' usefulness, it is simply an attempt to have a discussion that goes beyond platform fighting. If we analyzed the OP's post, then we could get to the crux of why different types of gaming appeal to different types of people and use said discussion to think of ways to bring more people into different gaming platforms, including PC. A quick analysis of PC gaming:

1) Far more people play on PCs due to their greater availability.

2) Many people play free to play games due to the lower financial barrier to entry.

2a) Said barriers are both the free price and not needing expensive hardware to play the most profitable games.

3) If PC developers would build PC games so that the mid to mid-low graphical settings could run on Intel's 5k series integrated processors, there would be far greater demand for PC games, which would lead to more people purchasing PC games earlier in their lifecycle, which would lead to greater profit margins for standard purchase AAA releases.

4) Number three above leads to publishers seeing the greater profit margins on standard releases, thus the free to play push lessens and PC gamers get more choices and earlier releases. It could even lead to games like GTA V being released on PC first, which, thanks to lower distribution costs and no platform holder tax (unless using steam), would lead to even greater margins and even more AAA PC games.

5) This upward cycle would then lead to more investment into PC hardware, such as NVidia's current small PC push coming this Christmas, which leads to more PC gamers, leading to more investment in software and hardware, etc.

Hopefully, I've fully explained the purpose of wanting to drill down into the meaning of the raw numbers quoted in the original post. Also, please remember that someone questioning the validity of something isn't an attack. Genuine questions are needed for true discussion to take place.

Have a great day and Happy Gaming! :)

Wow you are so dense... It was an example. in 5 years there will be a ue5, or another engine even more powerful...

That is such a fucked up logic. You honestly think that graphical fidelity will ever become stagnant??

@parkurtommo:

You really are a moron. lol

But, but, but... lol

Just give it up. You got owned.

I'll give up, but not because I got owned. Because I'm talking to a wall.

@parkurtommo:

More like your the wall, that doesn't follow tech, games and how we are coming to a peak. No pub or dev out there is going to give us main stream photo realistic graphics. Gaming is going to need to grow far bigger then it is to sustain that level of development. By then you'll prob have 100+ Tflop GPU's.

Much pessimism in you I sense.

@clyde46:

Can't be a pessimism when you think in 5 years you wont have to upgrade ever again if you play 4k or less res.

I'm more of a realist.

Funny, thats what people said back in 1997 when Bill Gates said that 640K was enough memory for everyone.

@clyde46: In 1996 I had 96MB's of EDO RAM.

In 1996 I was playing with toy cars and lego.

@clyde46:

I was playing DOS and win 95 games :P

S3 ViRGE was my first 3D card. Memories.

why does steam have less install base then even ps3 when its free and older? Do people play games on pc sure but most are not core gamers.

Wait, Steam defines PC gaming? I didn't know that once you get a PC you are forced to make a steam account.

Because it's surely the same console gamers saying both things.

Hermits would never include casual games in revenue comparions and then omit them in hardware power comparisons.

Highest revenue earning f2p game is a shooter that looks like the original Counterstrike and plays like CoD.

This unbiased chart breaks it all down. It also shows that non mmo/f2p/moba revenue is a fraction of the pc gaming revenue. It also shows that casual pc games make as much as core non mmo/f2p/moba games.

Consoles being banned in China for 15 years is quite important. China pc game revenue was $11 billion in 2013. Internet/pc gaming cafes are much more feasible than console gaming cafes. Cafes are the meat of the revenue in many countries.

lol come on what hardcore gamer on pc does not use steam? Its by far the biggest store and community no one else comes close!

@1fragleft: Hey look an alternate. Couldn't post on your main account?

@osirisx3: You are stating an opinion then.

It's so beautiful!!... *hugs PC*

Sorry to burst your bubble Cranler, but f2p, mmo, and moba all count. They also get pretty damn hardcore, with bigger competitive scenes and higher skill caps than any console title in some of their most played and AAA-AA scoring titles.

At the most you can only take out the 10% casual titles, which leaves PC still far ahead of any console.

Carnler? Not sure what you're talking about there.

Take out the cafe dominated countries and the country that banned consoles and you lose.

the only f2p game with a high skill cap is quake 3. mmorpgs and mobs are skillless drivel, but i can understand why you would think they are difficult. my god i would slaughter you in any game that actually takes skill

The following is quite amazing when you consider the 360 version came out 2 years after the pc alpha sales began and that there are two console versions fragmenting the sales numbers.

According to Mojang’s website, more than 15 million people own the PC and Mac version of the game. In April, the company confirmed that more than 12 million people own the Xbox 360 version

http://venturebeat.com/2014/06/26/minecraft-sales-near-54-million-copies-as-xbox-360-and-playstation-3-versions-outsell-the-pc-original/

PC is awesome, like always. Fanboys get a little ridiculous though.

Shitty trolling son. Most Moba and some mmos have a considerably higher skill cap than any console game. This is pretty well known. The few console games (limited) that might come close are a VERY VERY tiny number of fighters, and even then those tournaments are absolute jokes in comparison.

Don't even get started on RTS or Twitch Shooters. Moba make console competition seem childish, but those 2 just fucking MURDER consoles.

Lmao. Console people like you should just stick with your automated movie games and casual madden rehashes, while playing the worst version of multiplats. Hey what happened to Metro-Redux looking the same ? Lmao. You scurred.

Hi Cranler

1. Why would we take those out? This isn't a hypothetical discussion. PC is first, factually.

2. Even without China, PC is still ahead of each individual console in sales. You need to combine all 6 to stand a chance. Winning.

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PC is first when you include casual browser games. Grandma Mildred's pc doesn't count when you want to compare hardware but she does count when you want to compare revenue. Mmo's and moba's making they're way to consoles is going to stir things up quite a bit and that Intel report isn't taking that into account.

Hey, I'm just going by the charts. Those market analysts thought it was smart to compare consoles to pc's. Contact them and enlighten them on why they should breakdown the revenue by platform only on one side.

1. These only made up 10% of PC sales according to your chart. No single console touches PC even without these.

2. We count casual console titles.

You have nothing. Your arguments are hypothetical and what ifs. PC is first place, deal with it.

Yet you guys go insane and claim victory whenever one gets announced for your console

Why do you bother with 1 braincell left? Obviously just a jealous peasant stuck in 30 fps land.

He'll come back claiming that the pc is comprised of multiple platforms because Microsoft, Apple and Valve say so. What an idiot!

Plenty of console games are far more casual than farmville.

You know its him, why bother arguing with him? Nothing you say to him will make him see the light.

Do you? Because I would disagree at this point, maybe in the PS2 era where there was such a big difference between consoles and PC, but now that the best two consoles are glorified dumbed down PC's I don't think that sentiment holds weight.

The Japanese market is barely what it used to be, and a disgusting majority of western games show up on PC. You can easily run the PC the entire gen, and miss a handful of noteworthy exclusives here and there, and that's all fine and dandy because more than likely the multiplats alone will give you a healthy supply of games. Nevermind the PC's deeper roster of indie, kickstarter, F2P games to go along with genres that simply don't exist on consoles.

If we're being literal of the word "completely" sure you have an argument, but the necessity that it was I think is frankly over. At this point you do it because you're that much of an enthusiast and want to be in on that stuff (hence why I own all the consoles to go along with my PC).

Agreed! He's stuck in peasant darkness.

My prediction for his next idiotic post: "Bu bu but consoles don't have browser games and are fragmented by competiton while pc has no direct competiton"

How stupid can someone be!