PC has no AAAA Game in the History of Gaming

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]

[QUOTE="NerubianWeaver"]Deus EX = 8.2 (AA) :|

NerubianWeaver

Exactly. So if Deux Ex is the best game ever made, just imagine what all those AAA PC games must be! :)

also that is the potential of the PC....there will never BE a 10 on the PC because it means the game is perfect but that isn't possible on systems that are always on the cutting edge of gaming technology. If a game is a 10 on pc that means there is no room for improvement...which is one of the most false statements out there....games always improve. Also a 9.0 for a PC would be equivalent to a 30 or 40 on the xbox 360/PS3

[QUOTE="NerubianWeaver"][QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]

Exactly. So if Deux Ex is the best game ever made, just imagine what all those AAA PC games must be! :)

shane_orija

I've played that game before and it's not the best game I've ever played

1) Different standards. PC Games are often held to a higher standard. Consider MW2. The biggest flaw in the PC version was that it was only slightly better than the console versions. It had the same multiplayer system, same maps, same game modes and slightly better graphics. It was rated .5 lower than the X360 and PS3 version for being only slightly better than the console version.

GTA4 is a different example. Yes, the PC version had very high requirements, but it also had far better graphics and offered features and functions not available on the consoles. If you have a high end PC the PC version of GTA is not just every bit as good as the console version, it also looks far better and offers features unique to the PC version. It was rated a 9 compared to the consoles 10.

Mass Effect 2. The PC version had superior graphics, better UI and better controls. The game was rated 9.0 the same as the X360.

The bottom line is that PC games are often held to a higher standard than the console versions of the same game.

Fallout 3. The PC version includes a great set of modding tools that allow the players to edit and alter every aspect of the game. Again far better visuals, controls and performance compared to the X360. Both were rated the same: 9.0

The orange Box for crying out loud. Both the PC and the X360 version were rated 9.5. The PC version offers better visuals in all the games as well as the regular content and class updates for TF2.

2) All too often PC games are released in a buggy state. While it sometimes happen on the consoles, it happens all too often on the PC. Some of the best titles for the PC was barely playable when they were released. STALKER was bugged in a number of different ways. That why one of the most popular PC games got a lousy score, it sucked when it was released and rated. They later cleared up most of the issues and modders took the game further making it what it is today.

However games are rated when they are released, as long as developers fail to provide the same level of polish for PC games at launch as they do for the PC's a lot of PC games will receive lower ratings (and fairly so).

3) A matter of opinion. What makes SMG2 worthy of a 10 if Grim Fandango didn't? How can you even compare games that so different by the same scale.

So the question becomes, what's really required for a game to get a 10? It obviously need to be a really really good game. It probably need to be bug free, or at least so close as to not negatively impact the game play. Does it have to have good graphics? Does it have to be innovative? When we're looking at the very top of the scale, what is it that can push a game all the way?

Because PC gaming is dead! :|

:P

TheMightyHoov

GTA IV is on PC and is far superior.

anshul89

Diablo III will break this equation and btw, PC gaming without AAAAE is still better than console gaming.

TC sure likes repeating himself for hundreds of times. AAAA is just an opinion. MGS4 has 9.4 average score. Many people disliked GTA IV, average user score is 9.0. We shouldn't take gamespot as the word of God, because it's just a one man's opinion like mines and yours. And to be fair GTA IV is the best on PC by far. There's not even comparison, you should really play PC version and Console version back to back, it's not just resolution or fps, the console version is an ugly blurry mess compared to what you can do with the PC version. Not to mention some amazing mods.GeneralShowzer

I think that one reason for PC games having slightly lower scores could be that those games receive less funding. The console market gets HUGE corporate funding, and they rarely fund games that they don't predict will make a profit, and most games, regardless of how good they actually are, are shiny and well polished. The PC, without a doubt is an experimental platform, and always has been; and perhaps that is why the games often tend to have glitches, bugs and roughness around the edges, despite their ground-breaking nature (Deus Ex is a perfect example of this). So basically, they receive lesser scores because they aren't as well polished. In my experience this is a very plausible reason.

then it looks like pc gaming is dying

I just noticed that. Not only this Gen but all the whole time. I wonder why?

NerubianWeaver

Yeah like i dont have same fun with GTA 4 as consolites dobecause is not 10on PC.....

Besides , too many GOTY from 88 till now are PC exclusives so just another indicator of what PC is capable for,

Also BEST profit and most valuable game ever made ( let alone GOTY and best mmorpg till now) is still on PC , called World of Warcraft and guess what... is exclusive.,. NOT any multimillion console game will ever surpass it , is that simple. Boxes + subs per month we talking about hunderds of million per month.

Clearly shows the potential of PC market as of exclusive profits IF game is worth. ( WC3 - Starcraft-Counter stikre - Diablo 2 etc , games that been playing from 98 till now from thousands gamers daily , where most consoles 10s will be just a sweet memory of a nice game that ended in 6 hours and you finished it like 3times.)

Best FPS of all time and game of the century claimed from many magazines and sites at 90s ( HALF LIFE ) countless GOTY was PC exclusive. I can go on till tommorow , so you know what?..... Keep your 10s , and give me high quality games. Thats my opinion.

Whoever thinks 10 makes a difference , learn video game history first , thats all i have to say. MOST ( not all ) revolutionary and awesome addictive , high value games ( console or/and PC ) aint 10s. Thats for sure. Try and search for wha im talking about if youre newcomer (2000 and beyond )in video gaming , veterans knows exactly what i mtalking about.

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"]Probably been said..... but GTA4? It's an AAAA for both 360, PS3 and PC.NerubianWeaver

One needs to understand the relationship between perfection and innovation, and that innovation is ultimately more important. Half-Life 2 is an example of perfection within limited ambitions; i.e. we've seen many FPSs before, but this one takes the genre to a new benchmark. Deus Ex is an example of huge ambitions, but is a particularly imperfect game. It's influence on video games (not to forget System Shock, but few console gamers know of that) because of its great innovations, not the quality of its production, make it so important: that is the reason behind its frequent labeling as one of the best games ever. Ratings take into account quality of production too; not only innovations, and because of this I think that Gamespot awarded Deus Ex a pretty fair score.

Grim Fandango won GOTY over LoZ: OoT in 1998. It just goes to show that PC gaming is too cool for double-figure digits 8)

also that is the potential of the PC....there will never BE a 10 on the PC because it means the game is perfect but that isn't possible on systems that are always on the cutting edge of gaming technology. If a game is a 10 on pc that means there is no room for improvement...which is one of the most false statements out there....games always improve. Also a 9.0 for a PC would be equivalent to a 30 or 40 on the xbox 360/PS3

blaznwiipspman1

[QUOTE="blaznwiipspman1"]

also that is the potential of the PC....there will never BE a 10 on the PC because it means the game is perfect but that isn't possible on systems that are always on the cutting edge of gaming technology. If a game is a 10 on pc that means there is no room for improvement...which is one of the most false statements out there....games always improve. Also a 9.0 for a PC would be equivalent to a 30 or 40 on the xbox 360/PS3

HuusAsking

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="blaznwiipspman1"]

also that is the potential of the PC....there will never BE a 10 on the PC because it means the game is perfect but that isn't possible on systems that are always on the cutting edge of gaming technology. If a game is a 10 on pc that means there is no room for improvement...which is one of the most false statements out there....games always improve. Also a 9.0 for a PC would be equivalent to a 30 or 40 on the xbox 360/PS3

jedikevin2

PC has no AAAA game. It's an irrefutable factual evidence.[QUOTE="anshul89"]

GTA IV is on PC and is far superior.

NerubianWeaver

Scores are opinions...

This are FACTS:

PC version

• Mods
• option to use k/b or 360-controller or whatever controller you like.
• Fast loading
• video editor
• online with 32 players
• Don't require to use the dvd in order to play the game just double-click
• Better graphics
• 1920x1200
• fps 45-70fps
• high textures
• large view distance
• more traffic(casr, pedestrians)
• better shadows
• other effects on high etc.

console version

• no Mods
• slow loading
• online with 16 players
• require to use the dvd in order to play the game
• Looks unbelievable bleary...
• 1280x720 – 1152x640(ps3)
• low fps 15-25fps
• low textures
• low view distance
• low traffic(cars, pedestrians)
• poor shadows
• other effects on low etc.

now you see how superior is the pc version

[QUOTE="NerubianWeaver"]PC has no AAAA game. It's an irrefutable factual evidence.[QUOTE="anshul89"]

GTA IV is on PC and is far superior.

MK-Professor

Scores are opinions...

This are FACTS:

PC version

• Mods
• option to use k/b or 360-controller or whatever controller you like.
• Fast loading
• video editor
• online with 32 players
• Don't require to use the dvd in order to play the game just double-click
• Better graphics
• 1920x1200
• fps 45-70fps
• high textures
• large view distance
• more traffic(casr, pedestrians)
• better shadows
• other effects on high etc.

console version

• no Mods
• slow loading
• online with 16 players
• require to use the dvd in order to play the game
• Looks unbelievable bleary...
• 1280x720 – 1152x640(ps3)
• low fps 15-25fps
• low textures
• low view distance
• low traffic(cars, pedestrians)
• poor shadows
• other effects on low etc.

now you see how superior is the pc version

GTA IV was better on consoles. It was freaking unplayable at release... It was literally broken. The fact that it got a 9.0 here is a travesty.

[QUOTE="NerubianWeaver"][QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]

Exactly. So if Deux Ex is the best game ever made, just imagine what all those AAA PC games must be! :)

FrozenLiquid

I didn't by myself. Everybody else did.

Even if it's not the best game, at 8.2, it's able to enter a helluva lot of greatest games of all time lists. I repeat, if it's able to do that, imagine how good all those AAA PC games must be.

Even Mass Effect 1 was AAAE on PC, because it was exclusively AAA only on PC. :D

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

[QUOTE="NerubianWeaver"] The PC version got 9.0(AAA) while the console versions were 10 (AAAA) There's a big difference plus it's a horrible port and badly optimized for the PC version.KingsMessenger

Scores are opinions...

This are FACTS:

PC version

• Mods
• option to use k/b or 360-controller or whatever controller you like.
• Fast loading
• video editor
• online with 32 players
• Don't require to use the dvd in order to play the game just double-click
• Better graphics
• 1920x1200
• fps 45-70fps
• high textures
• large view distance
• more traffic(casr, pedestrians)
• better shadows
• other effects on high etc.

console version

• no Mods
• slow loading
• online with 16 players
• require to use the dvd in order to play the game
• Looks unbelievable bleary...
• 1280x720 – 1152x640(ps3)
• low fps 15-25fps
• low textures
• low view distance
• low traffic(cars, pedestrians)
• poor shadows
• other effects on low etc.

now you see how superior is the pc version

GTA IV was better on consoles. It was freaking unplayable at release... It was literally broken. The fact that it got a 9.0 here is a travesty.

Which brings us to another point. Even if a game is an unplayable mess when it's released on PC, which happens sometimes, a year later it can suddenly become a great game. The fact that GTAIV scored above an 8 on anything, though, was a travesty.

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

[QUOTE="NerubianWeaver"] The PC version got 9.0(AAA) while the console versions were 10 (AAAA) There's a big difference plus it's a horrible port and badly optimized for the PC version.KingsMessenger

Scores are opinions...

This are FACTS:

PC version

• Mods
• option to use k/b or 360-controller or whatever controller you like.
• Fast loading
• video editor
• online with 32 players
• Don't require to use the dvd in order to play the game just double-click
• Better graphics
• 1920x1200
• fps 45-70fps
• high textures
• large view distance
• more traffic(casr, pedestrians)
• better shadows
• other effects on high etc.

console version

• no Mods
• slow loading
• online with 16 players
• require to use the dvd in order to play the game
• Looks unbelievable bleary...
• 1280x720 – 1152x640(ps3)
• low fps 15-25fps
• low textures
• low view distance
• low traffic(cars, pedestrians)
• poor shadows
• other effects on low etc.

now you see how superior is the pc version

GTA IV was better on consoles. It was freaking unplayable at release... It was literally broken. The fact that it got a 9.0 here is a travesty.

You keep ignoring the facts.

Also how it was freaking unplayable at release? Because I remember playing GTA4 at release with much more fps, better graphics and more features than consoles.

Get over it the PC version of GTA4 is superior.

thats because the standard of PC gaming is super freakin high...

ITT: Hey guyz PC sucks because my 10 year old PC can't max out console games, therefore PC games are "unplayable".

If games like
Deus Ex
Diablo 2
Half-Life (2)
and Age of Mythology

can't score a 10 than I don't think a game on PC will ever score ten. Because those games are prime in their respective genres, and on gamespot prime = 10.


Also there is the fact that if a game comes out on PC that is graphically advanced with amazing gameplay and groundbreaking physics for example the system requirements would be so high that the game will be marked down for it.

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

[QUOTE="NerubianWeaver"] The PC version got 9.0(AAA) while the console versions were 10 (AAAA) There's a big difference plus it's a horrible port and badly optimized for the PC version.KingsMessenger

Scores are opinions...

This are FACTS:

PC version

• Mods
• option to use k/b or 360-controller or whatever controller you like.
• Fast loading
• video editor
• online with 32 players
• Don't require to use the dvd in order to play the game just double-click
• Better graphics
• 1920x1200
• fps 45-70fps
• high textures
• large view distance
• more traffic(casr, pedestrians)
• better shadows
• other effects on high etc.

console version

• no Mods
• slow loading
• online with 16 players
• require to use the dvd in order to play the game
• Looks unbelievable bleary...
• 1280x720 – 1152x640(ps3)
• low fps 15-25fps
• low textures
• low view distance
• low traffic(cars, pedestrians)
• poor shadows
• other effects on low etc.

now you see how superior is the pc version

GTA IV was better on consoles. It was freaking unplayable at release... It was literally broken. The fact that it got a 9.0 here is a travesty.

I just noticed that. Not only this Gen but all the whole time. I wonder why?

I just noticed that. Not only this Gen but all the whole time. I wonder why?

NerubianWeaver

Pc has much, much higher standards.

The same game gets rated lower on PC than on consoles. SAME EXACT GAME. WITH MORE FEATURES.

[QUOTE="KingsMessenger"]

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

Scores are opinions...

This are FACTS:

PC version

• Mods
• option to use k/b or 360-controller or whatever controller you like.
• Fast loading
• video editor
• online with 32 players
• Don't require to use the dvd in order to play the game just double-click
• Better graphics
• 1920x1200
• fps 45-70fps
• high textures
• large view distance
• more traffic(casr, pedestrians)
• better shadows
• other effects on high etc.

console version

• no Mods
• slow loading
• online with 16 players
• require to use the dvd in order to play the game
• Looks unbelievable bleary...
• 1280x720 – 1152x640(ps3)
• low fps 15-25fps
• low textures
• low view distance
• low traffic(cars, pedestrians)
• poor shadows
• other effects on low etc.

now you see how superior is the pc version

anshul89

GTA IV was better on consoles. It was freaking unplayable at release... It was literally broken. The fact that it got a 9.0 here is a travesty.

[QUOTE="shane_orija"][QUOTE="NerubianWeaver"] When did you come up that Deus Ex was the best game ever made :|NerubianWeaver

I've played that game before and it's not the best game I've ever played

No one said you had to think it's the best game ever. It's just agreed by a LOT of people that it is.

But if you had actually played the game (Which I'll bet anything you haven't even though you said you did) you'd at least agree that it deserves a LOT more than an 8.2

PC standards are just higher. Or it's maybe the other way around. Console standards are too low if you ask me.

Even on Metacritic. The highest metascore is 96 (Half-Life 2) for the PC while the rest of the console version got 98.NerubianWeaver

PC FTW!

Aside from WOW addons PC really hasent got any games this gen. Esoteric_Proxy

More exclusives than all of the consoles... What are you talking about? :?

[QUOTE="Esoteric_Proxy"]Aside from WOW addons PC really hasent got any games this gen. lundy86_4

More exclusives than all of the consoles... What are you talking about? :?

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AriQpIFbPoEacGM1b0xxcGVucFQ3OFc4N3BNZmd2QkE&gid=0


PC -AAAe = 12, AAe = 79, Ae = 82
PS3 - AAAe = 8, AAe = 13, Ae = 16
360 -- AAAe = 7, AAe = 14, Ae = 12

AAAe + AAe
PC = 91
PS3 = 21
360 = 21

[QUOTE="NerubianWeaver"]

I just noticed that. Not only this Gen but all the whole time. I wonder why?

Yangire

Mainstream reviewers rarely review PC games.

[QUOTE="NerubianWeaver"]PC has no AAAA game. It's an irrefutable factual evidence.[QUOTE="anshul89"]

GTA IV is on PC and is far superior.

MK-Professor

Scores are opinions...

This are FACTS:

PC version

• Mods
• option to use k/b or 360-controller or whatever controller you like.
• Fast loading
• video editor
• online with 32 players
• Don't require to use the dvd in order to play the game just double-click
• Better graphics
• 1920x1200
• fps 45-70fps
• high textures
• large view distance
• more traffic(casr, pedestrians)
• better shadows
• other effects on high etc.

console version

• no Mods
• slow loading
• online with 16 players
• require to use the dvd in order to play the game
• Looks unbelievable bleary...
• 1280x720 – 1152x640(ps3)
• low fps 15-25fps
• low textures
• low view distance
• low traffic(cars, pedestrians)
• poor shadows
• other effects on low etc.

now you see how superior is the pc version

And still the User Score on the PC Game version was 8.0 :|

And still the User Score on the PC Game version was 8.0 :|

NerubianWeaver

So what does that tell you?

[QUOTE="NerubianWeaver"]

And still the User Score on the PC Game version was 8.0 :|

lundy86_4

So what does that tell you?

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="NerubianWeaver"]

And still the User Score on the PC Game version was 8.0 :|

NerubianWeaver

So what does that tell you?

Or that people have higher standards on PC. It doesn't really prove anything as it doesn't outright show an absolute conclusion. There are variables.

PC version was a bad port, but it still performed better than its console counterparts. Especially after the first few patches.

Also, what's with the face all the time? :P

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="NerubianWeaver"]

And still the User Score on the PC Game version was 8.0 :|

NerubianWeaver

So what does that tell you?

I don't think he gets the concept that PC has higher standards and I feel no matter how many times we say it, he won't get it.

I just noticed that. Not only this Gen but all the whole time. I wonder why?

NerubianWeaver

AAAA reviews are bogus and designed to get kids to rush out and buy console games. PC game reviews are far more credible because they don't have these huge publishers buying add space on gaming sites...