PS3 and Xbox 360 maybe equally as powerful,but Blu-Ray gives PS3 the edge

I think that both the PS3 and Xbox 360 are nearly equal in hardware power,however Blu-Ray storage gives the PS3 the edge. It allows for far more data to be stored on a single disk,and there are also 33GB single-layer Blu-Rays in development so that could potentially favor the PS3 in terms of hardware capabilities.

Discuss.

Thanks.

In before crysis was on DVD comments.

I have seen similar topics go down hill fast.

Though I personally do feel bluray gives developers less restraints, and can there by make better games

in the long run yes....... but if blu ray becomes the TRUE deff format youc an be sure ms will do something about it.

Uh, HOW does Blu Ray add anything to processing power? :?charizard1605

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]Uh, HOW does Blu Ray add anything to processing power? :?normal_gamer

[QUOTE="normal_gamer"][QUOTE="charizard1605"]Uh, HOW does Blu Ray add anything to processing power? :?adamlovesu

Games like Lost Planet 2 and Mass Effect 2 had storage problems because of DVD,now tell me they cost a lot to make.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]Uh, HOW does Blu Ray add anything to processing power? :?normal_gamer

When BluRay drives of the similar speeds to DVD are more affordable, presumably next gen, then it will likely improve the graphical quality of games.

[QUOTE="normal_gamer"][QUOTE="charizard1605"]Uh, HOW does Blu Ray add anything to processing power? :?shinrabanshou

When BluRay drives of the similar speeds to DVD are more affordable, presumably next gen, then it will likely improve the graphical quality of games.

I think that both the PS3 and Xbox 360 are nearly equal in hardware power,however Blu-Ray storage gives the PS3 the edge. It allows for far more data to be stored on a single disk,and there are also 33GB single-layer Blu-Rays in development so that could potentially favor the PS3 in terms of hardware capabilities.

Discuss.

Thanks.

normal_gamer

First, the PS3 and 360 are not equal in power.

To claim equal power but then to not show equal results is fruitless and ludicrous.

But yes, BluRay gives PS3 another significant edge.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]Uh, HOW does Blu Ray add anything to processing power? :?normal_gamer

[QUOTE="walkingdream"]I don't see how a single blue ray layer of 33gb would give it an advantage over the current blue ray vs dvd? Otherwise i agreemeconate

no because only about 6-7 gigs of data on the bluray disc were actual gameplay, and the game didn't even take up a dual layer it used like 31 gigs. the same with Final fantasy 13 its a confirmed fact only 7-8 gigs of actual gameplay data with CGI taking up the rest and it still didn't take up an entire bluray dual layer it had something like 9 gigs left + on bluray and 5-6 gigs left on 3 dvds.

As for the TC. Please show me where games were longer, and more involved in the transition from carts to cds please because its the same paralel here. There is a standard in the industry and it will allways be that way, RPGs, Action games, they only become so big in environments and time required to play. No new data technology has changed this. People don't want to see 500 hour epic rpgs unless they are mmo's and those dont even come on discs mostly they are downloaded, bluray means nothing when it comes to bigger worlds and such, Developers are limited more by budgets, development time and user habits then they ever were storage space.

bluray offers more room for developers like Square to include massive amounts of CGI otherwise bluray means nothing in terms of quality of a game, Because even If though it might offer better higher resolution textures, the ram in todays consoles limits that stuff you can only have so much texture stuff loaded into ram and high resolution textures take up more and more ram.

It doesn't affect physics, or resolution, or AI...ect

[QUOTE="normal_gamer"]

I think that both the PS3 and Xbox 360 are nearly equal in hardware power,however Blu-Ray storage gives the PS3 the edge. It allows for far more data to be stored on a single disk,and there are also 33GB single-layer Blu-Rays in development so that could potentially favor the PS3 in terms of hardware capabilities.

Discuss.

Thanks.

First, the PS3 and 360 are not equal in power.

To claim equal power but then to not show equal results is fruitless and ludicrous.

But yes, BluRay gives PS3 another significant edge.

Yes, Blu-Ray is a edge as far as a storage medium. Were the PS3 blows away the 360 is CPU power.djsifer01

[QUOTE="djsifer01"]Yes, Blu-Ray is a edge as far as a storage medium. Were the PS3 blows away the 360 is CPU power.ronvalencia

Factor in all you want. The PS3's exlusives in the last years have proven that the PS3 has the edge, at the cost of more dev time.

So long as 2 out of 3 major consoles use DVD, devs largely won't tap its potential, sorry there's just no reason to when 110 million of 140 million current gen consoles in consumers houses dont use BR

Let's make it very simple here: having more storage capacity on your disk can never be a bad thing now, can it?

[QUOTE="walkingdream"]I don't see how a single blue ray layer of 33gb would give it an advantage over the current blue ray vs dvd? Otherwise i agreemeconate

Obviously its not going to happen, but they could have put it on 2 or 3 discs. Its been done before with a MGS game. Can't remember which one though ATM.

Let's make it very simple here: having more storage capacity on your disk can never be a bad thing now, can it?

NielsNL

[QUOTE="NielsNL"]

Let's make it very simple here: having more storage capacity on your disk can never be a bad thing now, can it?

WilliamRLBaker

Don't forget sound. 7.1 DTS uncompressed is nice if you have a good receiver and surround set.

So long as 2 out of 3 major consoles use DVD, devs largely won't tap its potential, sorry there's just no reason to when 110 million of 140 million current gen consoles in consumers houses dont use BR

darth-pyschosis

Crysis indicates otherwise. Does CELL + NVIDIA RSX match ATI Radeon HD 4870's 2.5 Mega-bytes register data storage? Register data storage is the fastest memory type. Both ATI and NV has recognised that limited register data storage capability would be a bottleneck.

CELL's 7 SPEs has a total of 14336 bytes of register data storage.

If anything, this generation has proven that Blu-ray isn't needed, and was actually a burden for Sony.

DVD gives my computer the edge, graphics wise

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"][QUOTE="djsifer01"]Yes, Blu-Ray is a edge as far as a storage medium. Were the PS3 blows away the 360 is CPU power.NielsNL

Factor in all you want. The PS3's exlusives in the last years have proven that the PS3 has the edge, at the cost of more dev time.

It has not proven anything except for subjective opinions. With KZ2, they avoid heavy computation effects and rendering methods e.g. they use static sun shadows, use deferred rendering and avoid the use of HDR.

Tech wise, KZ2's engine is inferior to Crysis 2 PS3. Some would say, KZ2 has a nice (subjective) art direction.

It has not proven anything except for subjective opinions. With KZ2, they avoid heavy computation effects and rendering methods e.g. they use static sun shadows, use deferred rendering and avoid the use of HDR.

Tech wise, KZ2's engine is inferior to Crysis 2 PS3. Some would say, KZ2 has a nice (subjective) art direction.

ronvalencia

Since you like big words let me point this out to you: 'subjective opinion' is a pleonasm.

Uncharted 2 is widely accepted to be the best looking, technically most advanced console game out there. Just read the DF article on it. Or do they also just have a 'subjective opinion'.

The 360 has nothing looking as good as MGS4, GOW3, KZ2 and U2. Crysis 2 isn't out yet, but agreed, might prove me wrong. We just have to wait till it's out I guess.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]Uh, HOW does Blu Ray add anything to processing power? :?normal_gamer

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

It has not proven anything except for subjective opinions. With KZ2, they avoid heavy computation effects and rendering methods e.g. they use static sun shadows, use deferred rendering and avoid the use of HDR.

Tech wise, KZ2's engine is inferior to Crysis 2 PS3. Some would say, KZ2 has a nice (subjective) art direction.

Since you like big words let me point this out to you: 'subjective opinion' is a pleonasm.

Uncharted 2 is widely accepted to be the best looking, technically most advanced console game out there. Just read the DF article on it. Or do they also just have a 'subjective opinion'.

The 360 has nothing looking as good as MGS4, GOW3, KZ2 and U2. Crysis 2 isn't out yet, but agreed, might prove me wrong. We just have to wait till it's out I guess.

"Looking" is subjective. CryEngine3(CE3) beta benchmarks debunks your "technically most advanced console game" claims i.e. CE3 PS3 has nearly twice triangle count over UC2 with CE3 PS3's graphics effects and rendering methods. ronvalencia

But they aren't my claims, they're the claims of professional reviewers and people like the DF crew.

Benchmarks are not representative of game performance. People who use terms like triangle count (which I think you only use to sound smart, since you probably do realize that hardly anyone here knows exactly what that is or means) should know that.

For now U2 is the game with the best technical graphics on consoles. Like I stated in my previous post, that could change when Crysis 2 releases, but before it does we can't make any claims about it.

Yeah, both are equally powerfull. No doubt Bluray is an advantage but multidisc games easly reach the same results.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

"Looking" is subjective. CryEngine3(CE3) beta benchmarks debunks your "technically most advanced console game" claims i.e. CE3 PS3 has nearly twice triangle count over UC2 with CE3 PS3's graphics effects and rendering methods. NielsNL

But they aren't my claims, they're the claims of professional reviewers and people like the DF crew.

Benchmarks are not representative of game performance. People who use terms like triangle count (which I think you only use to sound smart, since you probably do realize that hardly anyone here knows exactly what that is or means) should know that.

For now U2 is the game with the best technical graphics on consoles. Like I stated in my previous post, that could change when Crysis 2 releases, but before it does we can't make any claims about it.

Does UC2 have CE3's 100 percent real time Global Illumination?

Blu-ray is definitely an advantage but the PS3 actually has a more powerful processor, teh Cell. Granted the 360 has better GPU but PS3 slightly takes the lead in power due to hidden potential!

[QUOTE="NielsNL"]

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

"Looking" is subjective. CryEngine3(CE3) beta benchmarks debunks your "technically most advanced console game" claims i.e. CE3 PS3 has nearly twice triangle count over UC2 with CE3 PS3's graphics effects and rendering methods. ronvalencia

But they aren't my claims, they're the claims of professional reviewers and people like the DF crew.

Benchmarks are not representative of game performance. People who use terms like triangle count (which I think you only use to sound smart, since you probably do realize that hardly anyone here knows exactly what that is or means) should know that.

For now U2 is the game with the best technical graphics on consoles. Like I stated in my previous post, that could change when Crysis 2 releases, but before it does we can't make any claims about it.

Does UC2 have CE3's 100 percent real time Global Illumination?

I also don't know what global illumination is. But good for you that you do. You're very smart.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

It has not proven anything except for subjective opinions. With KZ2, they avoid heavy computation effects and rendering methods e.g. they use static sun shadows, use deferred rendering and avoid the use of HDR.

Tech wise, KZ2's engine is inferior to Crysis 2 PS3. Some would say, KZ2 has a nice (subjective) art direction.

NielsNL

Since you like big words let me point this out to you: 'subjective opinion' is a pleonasm.

Uncharted 2 is widely accepted to be the best looking, technically most advanced console game out there. Just read the DF article on it. Or do they also just have a 'subjective opinion'.

The 360 has nothing looking as good as MGS4, GOW3, KZ2 and U2. Crysis 2 isn't out yet, but agreed, might prove me wrong. We just have to wait till it's out I guess.

360 has many games that look better than MGS4. Also i agree U2 and KZ2 look a bit better than Gears2 but their visuals are just a design shoice. Technically most advanced?? Thats Red Dead Redemption and the next one, probably Crysis 2 ;)

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="NielsNL"]

But they aren't my claims, they're the claims of professional reviewers and people like the DF crew.

Benchmarks are not representative of game performance. People who use terms like triangle count (which I think you only use to sound smart, since you probably do realize that hardly anyone here knows exactly what that is or means) should know that.

For now U2 is the game with the best technical graphics on consoles. Like I stated in my previous post, that could change when Crysis 2 releases, but before it does we can't make any claims about it.

Does UC2 have CE3's 100 percent real time Global Illumination?

I also don't know what global illumination is. But good for you that you do. You're very smart.

Let's have SPECint vs BogoMIPS comparisons. Just "looking" doesn't quantify machine's performance.ronvalencia

Neither does your spewing of big words on an internet forum.

360 has many games that look better than MGS4. Also i agree U2 and KZ2 look a bit better than Gears2 but their visuals are just a design shoice. Technically most advanced?? Thats Red Dead Redemption and the next one, probably Crysis 2 ;)

PAL360

LINK for the RDR claim?

Crysis 2 isn't out yet. (you said probably though)

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

Let's have SPECint vs BogoMIPS comparisons. Just "looking" doesn't quantify machine's performance.NielsNL

Neither does your spewing of big words on an internet forum.

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

360 has many games that look better than MGS4. Also i agree U2 and KZ2 look a bit better than Gears2 but their visuals are just a design shoice. Technically most advanced?? Thats Red Dead Redemption and the next one, probably Crysis 2 ;)

NielsNL

LINK for the RDR claim?

Crysis 2 isn't out yet. (you said probably though)

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

360 has many games that look better than MGS4. Also i agree U2 and KZ2 look a bit better than Gears2 but their visuals are just a design shoice. Technically most advanced?? Thats Red Dead Redemption and the next one, probably Crysis 2 ;)

NielsNL

LINK for the RDR claim?

Crysis 2 isn't out yet. (you said probably though)

No link sorry, it´s my opinion.

It does look very good, almost as good as some linear games like U2, KZ2 or Gears2, but it´s an openworld game, and the best looking one. Thats why i think it does not have the best visuals but it´s technically more impressive.