PS3 and Xbox 360 maybe equally as powerful,but Blu-Ray gives PS3 the edge

using the quote button is sufficient. and again, neither one of us is qualified to make those statements.clone01

Not being a developer doesn't make ones point invalid or wrong, clone01.

Who told you that it did?

[QUOTE="clone01"]using the quote button is sufficient. and again, neither one of us is qualified to make those statements.Persistantthug

Not being a developer doesn't make ones point invalid or wrong, clone01.

Who told you that it did?

Nevertheless, in the case of Final Fantasy 13, BluRay > DVD9 and there is no refuting that either.Persistantthug

Indeed.

But, if reviews and multiple comparisons say something (have not played the game myself), that advantage in FFXIII (one game, from the hundreds released this generation) is minimal.

So it's a minimal advantage in one single game.

That hardly has any relevance when considering the big picture.

Yes, sir

I do assert that the full game of FF13 rendered at a 1 to 1 parity would have taken more than 3 DVD's, and guess what? I don't need to be a developer to deduce that, WilliamRLBaker.

I also do not need to be a developer to recognize trends nor do I need to be one find out the appropriate information. Case in point (because of the RDR/GTA4 issue).....RATCHET & CLANK TOD (2007) is in sub HD. 2 years later R&C ACIT is still sub HD. Yes, ACIT looks better and is more advanced and the upgraded difference is significantly noticible, even though the same base coded and engine is being used. Likewise, the same resolutions are exactly identical. Once again, I don't need to be a developer to notice that, sir.

And to your last point, WilliamRLBaker, "the bluray drive in the ps3 is 2x, it will allways be slower then the 12x dvd in the 360, always", Gamespot seems to not quite agree with you....not quite, and not absolutely.

Blu-ray 2x: 72Mbp / 8MBps

12x DVD: 66 - 132Mbps / 8.2 - 16.5MBps

And notice,

I didn't even need to be a developer to find that. ;)

Take care

Persistantthug

[QUOTE="Persistantthug"]

WilliamRLBaker,

Once again,

Final Fantasy 13 is a game that included lots of CGI....it was all part of the game, and that is how Square makes every Final Fantasy game for the last 15 or so years. The CGI is part of the game, and there is no refuting this.

XBOX 360's version of FF13 was noticibly not 1 to 1 because DVD9's are not capable of storing the needed information to make it so....unless of course that "special edition 25 pack" becomes available in America. ;)

Nevertheless, in the case of Final Fantasy 13,

BluRay > DVD9 and there is no refuting that either.

treedoor

So what we can conclude from this, by looking at the high def version of RDR on the 360, and the not-HD version of RDR on the PS3, is what?

[QUOTE="Persistantthug"]

Yes, sir

I do assert that the full game of FF13 rendered at a 1 to 1 parity would have taken more than 3 DVD's, and guess what? I don't need to be a developer to deduce that, WilliamRLBaker.

I also do not need to be a developer to recognize trends nor do I need to be one find out the appropriate information. Case in point (because of the RDR/GTA4 issue).....RATCHET & CLANK TOD (2007) is in sub HD. 2 years later R&C ACIT is still sub HD. Yes, ACIT looks better and is more advanced and the upgraded difference is significantly noticible, even though the same base coded and engine is being used. Likewise, the same resolutions are exactly identical. Once again, I don't need to be a developer to notice that, sir.

And to your last point, WilliamRLBaker, "the bluray drive in the ps3 is 2x, it will allways be slower then the 12x dvd in the 360, always", Gamespot seems to not quite agree with you....not quite, and not absolutely.

Blu-ray 2x: 72Mbp / 8MBps

12x DVD: 66 - 132Mbps / 8.2 - 16.5MBps

And notice,

I didn't even need to be a developer to find that. ;)

Take care

Martin_G_N

[QUOTE="Martin_G_N"][QUOTE="Persistantthug"]

Yes, sir

I do assert that the full game of FF13 rendered at a 1 to 1 parity would have taken more than 3 DVD's, and guess what? I don't need to be a developer to deduce that, WilliamRLBaker.

I also do not need to be a developer to recognize trends nor do I need to be one find out the appropriate information. Case in point (because of the RDR/GTA4 issue).....RATCHET & CLANK TOD (2007) is in sub HD. 2 years later R&C ACIT is still sub HD. Yes, ACIT looks better and is more advanced and the upgraded difference is significantly noticible, even though the same base coded and engine is being used. Likewise, the same resolutions are exactly identical. Once again, I don't need to be a developer to notice that, sir.

And to your last point, WilliamRLBaker, "the bluray drive in the ps3 is 2x, it will allways be slower then the 12x dvd in the 360, always", Gamespot seems to not quite agree with you....not quite, and not absolutely.

Blu-ray 2x: 72Mbp / 8MBps

12x DVD: 66 - 132Mbps / 8.2 - 16.5MBps

And notice,

I didn't even need to be a developer to find that. ;)

Take care

HuusAsking

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="Persistantthug"]

Not being a developer doesn't make ones point invalid or wrong, clone01.

Who told you that it did?

Persistantthug

No sir.

One does not need to be a developer to know some technical aspects of games, clone01.

Much the same way I don't need to be an English teacher or professor to know English and Literature, and be able to correct grammatical errors on a written form and do it properly.

Much the same way I don't need to be a musician to know and recognize music, different genres, and even critique it with a proper modicum competence.....although, I am a musician, but that's another story.

No, I am not a developer and I am not an expert on game development, but with the wealth and dearth of knowledge available, it isn't unreasonable to talk competently about the subject at least to some degree, and not being a developer doesn't mean I'm wrong and/or don't know what I'm talking about.

For whatever reason you've come to the belief and assumption that one does.

i guess someone could point out that the best looking games that are currently out are all on dvd but what good would it do.

i refuse to argue religion with people

No sir.

One does not need to be a developer to know some technical aspects of games, clone01.

Much the same way I don't need to be an English teacher or professor to know English and Literature, and be able to correct grammatical errors on a written form and do it properly.

Much the same way I don't need to be a musician to know and recognize music, different genres, and even critique it with a proper modicum competence.....although, I am a musician, but that's another story.

No, I am not a developer and I am not an expert on game development, but with the wealth and dearth of knowledge available, it isn't unreasonable to talk competently about the subject at least to some degree, and not being a developer doesn't mean I'm wrong and/or don't know what I'm talking about.

For whatever reason you've come to the belief and assumption that one does.

Persistantthug

Becusethe kind of statements you made are about a very technical subject, for which deep knowledge is needed.

The kind of knowlegde only people that have worked in game developement have.

Noticing grammar errors or recognizing music genres do not need the same depth of knowledge, so they are not coparable examples.

That is one area where the PS3 has an advantage for sure, but it doesn't seem to be an issue so far this gen. Most of the great games I've been playing on my 360 only hold about 5 to 6 GB, so it looks like it isn't a problem yet. We all know Microsoft will have a really good storage format for their next console though. The only bad thing about the Bluray drive is the data transfer speed. It seems to take a lot of time pulling information of the disc. I know even with my Samsung Bluray player it takes a long time to load Bluray movies also!

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="Persistantthug"]

Not being a developer doesn't make ones point invalid or wrong, clone01.

Who told you that it did?

Persistantthug

No sir.

One does not need to be a developer to know some technical aspects of games, clone01.

Much the same way I don't need to be an English teacher or professor to know English and Literature, and be able to correct grammatical errors on a written form and do it properly.

Much the same way I don't need to be a musician to know and recognize music, different genres, and even critique it with a proper modicum competence.....although, I am a musician, but that's another story.

No, I am not a developer and I am not an expert on game development, but with the wealth and dearth of knowledge available, it isn't unreasonable to talk competently about the subject at least to some degree, and not being a developer doesn't mean I'm wrong and/or don't know what I'm talking about.

For whatever reason you've come to the belief and assumption that one does.

[QUOTE="Persistantthug"]No sir.

One does not need to be a developer to know some technical aspects of games, clone01.

Much the same way I don't need to be an English teacher or professor to know English and Literature, and be able to correct grammatical errors on a written form and do it properly.

Much the same way I don't need to be a musician to know and recognize music, different genres, and even critique it with a proper modicum competence.....although, I am a musician, but that's another story.

No, I am not a developer and I am not an expert on game development, but with the wealth and dearth of knowledge available, it isn't unreasonable to talk competently about the subject at least to some degree, and not being a developer doesn't mean I'm wrong and/or don't know what I'm talking about.

For whatever reason you've come to the belief and assumption that one does.

IronBass

Becusethe kind of statements you made are about a very technical subject, for which deep knowledge is needed.

The kind of knowlegde only people that have worked in game developement have.

Noticing grammar errors or recognizing music genres do not need the same depth of knowledge, so they are not coparable examples.

Ah,

But I submit that they are indeed comparable examples.

English-Lit is one field, while computer science is another, and likewise, music is a third.

Neither of those fields is more difficult or more challanging than the other, IronBass, and one need not be and "expert" to know what he/she is talking about especially considering much information is readily and openly available about any of those and many other subjects.

How can anyone disagree with this?

English-Lit is one field, while computer science is another, and likewise, music is a third.Persistantthug

Noticing grammar errors: basic knowledge of English-Lit needed.

Recognicing music genres: basicknowledgeof music needed.

Game developement: advancedknowledge of computer science needed.

That's the difference, and that's why they are not comparable.

There's a basic formula that explains it in a nutshell:

RAGE = RDR = GTA4 = 2007.

Persistantthug

Refer tohttp://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-final-fantasy-xiii-face-off?page=2

To illustrate the improvements Xbox 360 brings to the table such as they are, here's a selection of clips put through frame-rate analysis. You'll see that while both versions can drop frames, it is the Xbox 360 version that is undoubtedly smoother on average. Minimum frame-rate is 26FPS on 360, and 20FPS on PS3. It's interesting to note that the character close-ups are seemingly no problem for the 360: 30FPS is maintained while PS3 struggles

SE decided to have frame rates bias for Xbox 360 while PS3 has resolution bias.Note that SE didn't use Xbox 360's multiple tiling feature.

If you want frame rates, get the FF13 Xbox 360 version.

If you want resolution, get the FF13 PS3 version.

If you want both frame rates and resolution, nag SE for the PC version.

Ah,

But I submit that they are indeed comparable examples.

English-Lit is one field, while computer science is another, and likewise, music is a third.

Neither of those fields is more difficult or more challanging than the other, IronBass, and one need not be and "expert" to know what he/she is talking about especially considering much information is readily and openly available about any of those and many other subjects.

How can anyone disagree with this?

Persistantthug

I Woke up this morning and Swore it was 2010.

have we time travelled BACK to 2006 or is this thread 5 years old?

Blu Ray again?? really.

no-one is as impressed with his Blu Ray disc collection as i am. ( Coraline on Blu Ray people.........AMAZING!!)

But the whole Blu Ray makes games better jargan has been debunked twice now by rockstar having the superior version of GTA 4 and RDR on the 360 and DVD 9, and like a Kajillion Multiplats looking superior on the Inferior format.....those Lazy Devs...Huh?

Blu Rays only deciding factor was FF13 having better video and being slightly sharper on PS3. ( OF COURSE, FF13 is one long FMV interspersed with 15 minutes of gameplay per hour.

please guys, turn the page from yesterday.