PS3 Hacker Tells Sony to Back Off or Else...

[QUOTE="shawty1984"]

[QUOTE="Robbazking"] Nope they took away a key future of the console and left the rest to rot.

Also i haven't seen any difference on multiplayer before or after this happened. You are overreacting.

Sonys reason "it was a threat", so they removed it and created a even bigger threat.

HuusAsking

the funny thing is that all this hacking stuff started because of the removal of the otherOS.Gue1

The funny thing is how people assume that the removal of OtherOS was the catalyst for the hackers, Geohotz was recorded poking around the Ps3 systems long before they removed the OS option. Critical flaws had been found with the OS installed so Sony made a pre-emptive move to remove it before the hackers could get into the Ps3 via linux. No matter how much people say "Well Sony did this so thats why the hackers are mad!"

No...god...no. Hackers were mad allright, because they had to work harder to get around the security block and install OS again so they could resume hacking. It's a flimsy justification so they can look good in the eyes of the public, don't fall for it. Wether they are supporting piracy or not is another thing entirely, but to say that "They removed da other OS so them hackers got mad and decided to hack it only because of that" is silly. Why did they hack the Wii then? Why did they hack the 360 then? Neither of them came forward and told the hacking community to "suck a knob". The hack would have happened one way or another removing OS or not, Sony did the right thing and tried to stop them in their tracks as far as Sony knew the OS was the only big security flaw until the "random key" was found to be...not so random.

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]

[QUOTE="shawty1984"]

They never took it away, it is still there to use if you don't update your firmware. Doing so does not let you access Sony's network or some new games. One thing they never did though was take it away. They gave you a choice regardless of wether you like the choice or not.

And I have. Just because you haven't, doesn't mean anyone else hasn't.

What Sony do with their own software is up to them. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. But one thing they can't do is just sit there and let it happen. They have to be shown to be doing something, just because of their investers.

shawty1984

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]

[QUOTE="shawty1984"]

I never said they hadn't. But as soon as the hacks started appearing, thats when the cheaters in COD MW2 went mainstream.

shawty1984

[QUOTE="shawty1984"]

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]And I've been trying to explain for nearly a whole page now that your argument is fundamentally flawed. If your analogy holds, then there would be no such thing as an open system. IOW, Microsoft can lock your PC into Windows because taking it out violates their rights (just as taking the Sony software out of a PS3 violates their rights). A PS3 is more than just the software, as I have enumerated. Hacking your PS3 is not like breaking into a house because the house is hardware. Unless the house is rented (or your PS3 is under RTO), what you do with a house/PS3 you buy is strictly your business. Sony's software isn't the house but rather the things inside it, since the house can still stand without the furniture and the PS3 still exists without the software. And since the software is treated as a whole. You can't do that with a house unless you pick it up and move it whole, which still leaves it intact.

HuusAsking

I never stated hacking a PS3 is like breaking into a hosue. I never even mentioned breaking into a house, you made that up yourself to fit YOUR analogy.

My analogy was about moral rights in doing things you shouldn't.

You shouldn't morally hack the PS3 as it is not your software. Just as you shouldn't be walking (not breaking) into someones house because it is not your house.

If people wanted an open system console, then they shouldn't have bought the PS3, it's a pretty simple concept.

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]

[QUOTE="shawty1984"]

I never stated hacking a PS3 is like breaking into a hosue. I never even mentioned breaking into a house, you made that up yourself to fit YOUR analogy.

My analogy was about moral rights in doing things you shouldn't.

You shouldn't morally hack the PS3 as it is not your software. Just as you shouldn't be walking (not breaking) into someones house because it is not your house.

If people wanted an open system console, then they shouldn't have bought the PS3, it's a pretty simple concept.

shawty1984

If it is morally wrong to hack the PS3's software (modifying something I OWN, as PS3's aren't leased), then it is morally wrong to install Linux on a PC (because we deprive Microsoft and so on). Which means it is morally wrong to install an aftermarket part on your car (because we deprive the car manufacturers). Which means we essentially have no control over our property (because the manufacturers can dictate terms to us post-sale), which means ther concept of property and ownership no longer exists (because it's no longer a sale). Now tell me what's morally wrong.

[QUOTE="Robbazking"]

[QUOTE="shawty1984"]

I will take that as you can't tell me then?

shawty1984

The key points is that it's not illegal, it won't ruin your experience! It will enhance others.

To the people who are supporting this individual person you should note his only goal is piracy, unlike Geohotz he is not dancing in moral grey areas. He straight out want to steal from developers and ruin your own gaming expereince. Hope you guys know that before running in with the shield of justice.Jynxzor

[QUOTE="shawty1984"]

[QUOTE="Robbazking"] Why discuss with someone that put morals before logic. When what sony did also was moraly wrong :roll:

The key points is that it's not illegal, it won't ruin your experience! It will enhance others.

Robbazking

[QUOTE="Gue1"]the funny thing is that all this hacking stuff started because of the removal of the otherOS.Jynxzor

The funny thing is how people assume that the removal of OtherOS was the catalyst for the hackers, Geohotz was recorded poking around the Ps3 systems long before they removed the OS option. Critical flaws had been found with the OS installed so Sony made a pre-emptive move to remove it before the hackers could get into the Ps3 via linux. No matter how much people say "Well Sony did this so thats why the hackers are mad!"

No...god...no. Hackers were mad allright, because they had to work harder to get around the security block and install OS again so they could resume hacking. It's a flimsy justification so they can look good in the eyes of the public, don't fall for it. Wether they are supporting piracy or not is another thing entirely, but to say that "They removed da other OS so them hackers got mad and decided to hack it only because of that" is silly. Why did they hack the Wii then? Why did they hack the 360 then? Neither of them came forward and told the hacking community to "suck a knob". The hack would have happened one way or another removing OS or not, Sony did the right thing and tried to stop them in their tracks as far as Sony knew the OS was the only big security flaw until the "random key" was found to be...not so random.

Yeah, while I don't see the harm in custom firmware as long as it doesn't change the gameplay and that's my opinion, he's clearly on something.

To the people who are supporting this individual person you should note his only goal is piracy, unlike Geohotz he is not dancing in moral grey areas. He straight out want to steal from developers and ruin your own gaming expereince. Hope you guys know that before running in with the shield of justice.Jynxzor

this guys is just such an unbelievable ****bag.

-First he uses his skills to hack ps3s and help everyone around the world cheat in online games, thus ruining fun for everyone

-then he gloats about this, as if he is the smartest man alive

-when people are trying to rectify this issue, he laughs in their faces

- then he makes terrorist threats to sony and everyone who owns a ps3, if we even think of doing something about this. another shining example of his rampant god complex

-then he has the audacity to claim to be on the side of freedom and fairness

I hope that this guy is financially ruined and imprisoned for a long time for this nonsense. and lets just say that I hope he "drops the soap"......... over and over and over again

this guys is just such an unbelievable ****bag.

-First he uses his skills to hack ps3s and help everyone around the world cheat in online games, thus ruining fun for everyone

-then he gloats about this, as if he is the smartest man alive

-when people are trying to rectify this issue, he laughs in their faces

- then he makes terrorist threatens to sony and everyone who owns a ps3, if we even think of doing something about this. another shining example of his rampant god complex

-then he has the audacity to claim to be on the side of freedom and fairness

I hope that this guy is financially ruined and imprisoned for a long time for this nonsense. and lets just say that I hope he "drops the soap"......... over and over and over again

arbitor365

this guys is just such an unbelievable ****bag.

-First he uses his skills to hack ps3s and help everyone around the world cheat in online games, thus ruining fun for everyone

-then he gloats about this, as if he is the smartest man alive

-when people are trying to rectify this issue, he laughs in their faces

- then he makes terrorist threatens to sony and everyone who owns a ps3, if we even think of doing something about this. another shining example of his rampant god complex

-then he has the audacity to claim to be on the side of freedom and fairness

I hope that this guy is financially ruined and imprisoned for a long time for this nonsense. and lets just say that I hope he "drops the soap"......... over and over and over again

arbitor365

You know, its becoming increasingly obvious that the people who say stuf like that are PS3 owners in most part.

[QUOTE="arbitor365"]

this guys is just such an unbelievable ****bag.

-First he uses his skills to hack ps3s and help everyone around the world cheat in online games, thus ruining fun for everyone

-then he gloats about this, as if he is the smartest man alive

-when people are trying to rectify this issue, he laughs in their faces

- then he makes terrorist threatens to sony and everyone who owns a ps3, if we even think of doing something about this. another shining example of his rampant god complex

-then he has the audacity to claim to be on the side of freedom and fairness

I hope that this guy is financially ruined and imprisoned for a long time for this nonsense. and lets just say that I hope he "drops the soap"......... over and over and over again

HuusAsking

You know, its becoming increasingly obvious that the people who say stuf like that are PS3 owners in most part.

DroidPhysX

All of a sudden, people have become very passionateaboutanti homebrew and anti jailbreaking. Never seen so much backlash when it happened to the Wii and Xbox 360 lol.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

You know, its becoming increasingly obvious that the people who say stuf like that are PS3 owners in most part.

spinecaton

All of a sudden, people have become very passionateaboutanti homebrew and anti jailbreaking. Never seen so much backlash when it happened to the Wii and Xbox 360 lol.

Reminds me of Metallica and Napster.

[QUOTE="arbitor365"]

this guys is just such an unbelievable ****bag.

-First he uses his skills to hack ps3s and help everyone around the world cheat in online games, thus ruining fun for everyone

-then he gloats about this, as if he is the smartest man alive

-when people are trying to rectify this issue, he laughs in their faces

- then he makes terrorist threatens to sony and everyone who owns a ps3, if we even think of doing something about this. another shining example of his rampant god complex

-then he has the audacity to claim to be on the side of freedom and fairness

I hope that this guy is financially ruined and imprisoned for a long time for this nonsense. and lets just say that I hope he "drops the soap"......... over and over and over again

HuusAsking

I wouldnt have used my modding abilities to **** up the online community for everyone, so "how I woud have acted" is irrelevant, and whether or not this guy is happy with his impending, lawful, just persecution is also irrelevant.

I honestly dont care too much about people pirating games. What I do care about is the fact that these "hackers" are endangering everyone's consoles, ruining online gaming, and abusing the trophy system. these people are abusing sony's customers by ****ing with their products. There is not one iota of my being that could possibly see the guy as being in the right, in this situation.

I wouldnt have used my modding abilities to **** up the online community for everyone, so "how I woud have acted" is irrelevant, and whether or not this guy is happy with his impending, lawful, just persecution is also irrelevant.

I honestly dont care too much about people pirating games. What I do care about is the fact that these "hackers" are endangering everyone's consoles, ruining online gaming, and abusing the trophy system. these people are abusing sony's customers by ****ing with their products. There is not one iota of my being that could possibly see the guy as being in the right, in this situation.

arbitor365

The Wii, X360 and PC have been treated like that for years and are still doing well.

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="arbitor365"]

this guys is just such an unbelievable ****bag.

-First he uses his skills to hack ps3s and help everyone around the world cheat in online games, thus ruining fun for everyone

-then he gloats about this, as if he is the smartest man alive

-when people are trying to rectify this issue, he laughs in their faces

- then he makes terrorist threatens to sony and everyone who owns a ps3, if we even think of doing something about this. another shining example of his rampant god complex

-then he has the audacity to claim to be on the side of freedom and fairness

I hope that this guy is financially ruined and imprisoned for a long time for this nonsense. and lets just say that I hope he "drops the soap"......... over and over and over again

arbitor365

I wouldnt have used my modding abilities to **** up the online community for everyone, so "how I woud have acted" is irrelevant, and whether or not this guy is happy with his impending, lawful, just persecution is also irrelevant.

I honestly dont care too much about people pirating games. What I do care about is the fact that these "hackers" are endangering everyone's consoles, ruining online gaming, and abusing the trophy system. these people are abusing sony's customers by ****ing with their products. There is not one iota of my being that could possibly see the guy as being in the right, in this situation.

So uhh your telling me your personal online experience has been ruined by these modders?

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="arbitor365"]

this guys is just such an unbelievable ****bag.

-First he uses his skills to hack ps3s and help everyone around the world cheat in online games, thus ruining fun for everyone

-then he gloats about this, as if he is the smartest man alive

-when people are trying to rectify this issue, he laughs in their faces

- then he makes terrorist threatens to sony and everyone who owns a ps3, if we even think of doing something about this. another shining example of his rampant god complex

-then he has the audacity to claim to be on the side of freedom and fairness

I hope that this guy is financially ruined and imprisoned for a long time for this nonsense. and lets just say that I hope he "drops the soap"......... over and over and over again

blitzcloud

Which, BTW, you've yet to prove. Has there really been a big rash of game piracy since this whole brouhaha began? Because AFAIK, PSN is still secure, and the LV1 key needed for game discs is still unknown.

[QUOTE="shawty1984"]

[QUOTE="Robbazking"] Why discuss with someone that put morals before logic. When what sony did also was moraly wrong :roll:

The key points is that it's not illegal, it won't ruin your experience! It will enhance others.

Robbazking

That 'running in with the shield of justice' thing is happening on both sides... I think piracy is just as silly as anti-piracy overall. There are good arguments for both, but then there are many more cases in which it is overdone.KungfuKitten

How is this any different than the root key? The database data is not specific to games and, just like the root key, can assist in replacing the software with something else, something not Sony's. I'd say that qualifies as a significant noncriminal use.HuusAsking

And to those who may be curious, despite all the brujaha people have yet to crack more than a few games that don't have the lvl1key used for discs. The only one known publicly is the new castlevania game. Despite the fact that Sony may be over-reacting until there is a legal exclusion for game systems like cellphones, these acts are illegal. There are no "maybe it's illegal" until the DMCA has that bullet point for the consoles this is no legal. Is it within there rights to do stuff like this? well thats what the courts will decide when Hotz is brought to court.

Personally I have nothing against reverse engeneering software, it's just what it can do in the hands of people is what I'm afraid of. There is a thin line between our freedoms and what we give up to live in a organized society. Piracy and net-hacking "that MAY occur from this" is something we need to be able to live with and say "well it's within their rights to hack the game and ruin my gameplay experience". This isn't something you can dance around it's part of giving people the right to modify any software they purchase and use it in any "legal" way they feel, and to understand that prosecuting people who do illegal stuff with said software are incredibally hard to find and/or prosecute.

this has became rediculous

I still don't understand this crap. Who the hell hacks a console? If you want to make mods or "homebrew" there's this thing called a PC. Consoles are for playing console games. That's it. It's likethis newage of jail-breaking phones and whatnot has given peoplea false sense of entitlement to do whatever they want with technology. You want a more customizable experience? Well, get a real job and developmachine or networkyourself instead of ruining other peoples work.

[QUOTE="killzonexbox"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Ha he's digging his own grave.

jerkface96

Im not familiar with the hacker, but is he based in the US? If not the DMCA means squat. I thought some of the original hackers came from Finland? I think Sony are playing a dangerous game here, every product they release will now be top of the hackers agenda to break wide open. Im not commenting on whether I think this is right or wrong, just they are putting a major target on their back. Look at the damage hackers caused to Visa in retaliation for the wikileaks scandal and that is some major security in place right there.

I still don't understand this crap. Who the hell hacks a console? If you want to make mods or "homebrew" there's this thing called a PC. Consoles are for playing console games. That's it. It's likethis newage of jail-breaking phones and whatnot has given peoplea false sense of entitlement to do whatever they want with technology. You want a more customizable experience? Well, get a real job and developmachine or networkyourself instead of ruining other peoples work.

PatchMaster

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

You want him to die? :?

SapSacPrime

I still don't understand this crap. Who the hell hacks a console? If you want to make mods or "homebrew" there's this thing called a PC. Consoles are for playing console games. That's it. It's likethis newage of jail-breaking phones and whatnot has given peoplea false sense of entitlement to do whatever they want with technology. You want a more customizable experience? Well, get a real job and developmachine or networkyourself instead of ruining other peoples work.

PatchMaster

For all those who are wandering , breaking into your console is not illegal, nor using it as a xxxtoy or doing whatever you want with. As long as you don't copy the software to sell or reverse engineer the hardware and sell it . Systems have always been hacked and when i heard this i though it was so strange. I mean you can check if a copy is legal just by using cd-keys and you can check it when having an online connection. Multiplayer games aren't even copied on the pc anymore because i don't work without the cd-key. So where does all this crap come from anyway.

Anyway apparently they didn't choose to use a cd-key now they have to live with it.

LMAO what a *****. Seriously, against guys like this, I hope Sony wins. Blackmailing a multi-national corporation is just a massive LOLfest.

[QUOTE="spinecaton"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

You know, its becoming increasingly obvious that the people who say stuf like that are PS3 owners in most part.

Zophar87

All of a sudden, people have become very passionateaboutanti homebrew and anti jailbreaking. Never seen so much backlash when it happened to the Wii and Xbox 360 lol.

Reminds me of Metallica and Napster.

More like a reminder that the 360 was already dragged through the mud for having poor reliability issues before MS sent the infamous hacked 360 Hard Drive Brick update during a certain November leading up to holiday sales takes.. Yeah, teh passion? How about when the 360 was being launched and on just about every forum the greatness of Live being less hackable due to the better network and online fees?

Oh, so now you're saying you're pro hacking, cracking and modding now it's happening to the PS3? Give it a break. See through it, we do.

Since when will they not sell you a Cell computer? Call IBM; they'd be happy to sell you a blade server with one.lowe0

I still don't understand this crap. Who the hell hacks a console? If you want to make mods or "homebrew" there's this thing called a PC. Consoles are for playing console games. That's it. It's likethis newage of jail-breaking phones and whatnot has given peoplea false sense of entitlement to do whatever they want with technology. You want a more customizable experience? Well, get a real job and developmachine or networkyourself instead of ruining other peoples work.

Since when will they not sell you a Cell computer? Call IBM; they'd be happy to sell you a blade server with one.lowe0