PS3 Hacker Tells Sony to Back Off or Else...

[QUOTE="Sir_Graham"][QUOTE="USS_Data"]

Oh really? where does it state on the box in the store when you buy the ps3 that it is not your property?

USS_Data

Yes that's after you bought it in the store and already payed for it so that agreement is void since none of it is mentioned on the box in the store. My money I paid, MY CONSOLE and I can do with it what I WANT.

[QUOTE="Sir_Graham"][QUOTE="USS_Data"]

Oh really? where does it state on the box in the store when you buy the ps3 that it is not your property?

USS_Data

Yes that's after you bought it in the store and already payed for it so that agreement is void since none of it is mentioned on the box in the store. My money I paid, MY CONSOLE and I can do with it what I WANT.

[QUOTE="USS_Data"]

[QUOTE="Sir_Graham"] I'm not familar with the details of the user agreement as I don't own a PS3 but I imagine they have one. It should spell out what you can and can't do if your choose to purchase the product.DroidPhysX

Yes that's after you bought it in the store and already payed for it so that agreement is void since none of it is mentioned on the box in the store. My money I paid, MY CONSOLE and I can do with it what I WANT.

Maybe in the country where you live but not where i live. I OWN the console according to our laws and Sony's TOU won't hold in court over here.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="USS_Data"]

Yes that's after you bought it in the store and already payed for it so that agreement is void since none of it is mentioned on the box in the store. My money I paid, MY CONSOLE and I can do with it what I WANT.

USS_Data

Maybe in the country where you live but not where i live. I OWN the console according to our laws and Sony's TOU won't hold in court over here.

Except when you clicked the huge

(I AGREE TO THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS ABOVE)

button

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="USS_Data"]

Yes that's after you bought it in the store and already payed for it so that agreement is void since none of it is mentioned on the box in the store. My money I paid, MY CONSOLE and I can do with it what I WANT.

USS_Data

Maybe in the country where you live but not where i live. I OWN the console according to our laws and Sony's TOU won't hold in court over here.

[QUOTE="USS_Data"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] Actually you paid for the license of the console

DroidPhysX

Maybe in the country where you live but not where i live. I OWN the console according to our laws and Sony's TOU won't hold in court over here.

Except when you clicked the huge

(I AGREE TO THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS ABOVE)

button

Like I said Sony can make up whatever they want for the TOU as long as i'm doing things allowed by our rules and laws where I live that TOU don't mean jack in court when agreed to them. Our laws > Sony's made up laws.

[QUOTE="USS_Data"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] Actually you paid for the license of the console

shawty1984

Maybe in the country where you live but not where i live. I OWN the console according to our laws and Sony's TOU won't hold in court over here.

what has software to do with doing what you want with your hardware? Where was i talking about software?

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="USS_Data"]

Maybe in the country where you live but not where i live. I OWN the console according to our laws and Sony's TOU won't hold in court over here.

USS_Data

Except when you clicked the huge

(I AGREE TO THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS ABOVE)

button

Like I said Sony can make up whatever they want for the TOU as long as i'm doing things allowed by our rules and laws where I live that TOU don't mean jack in court when agreed to them. Our laws > Sony's made up laws.

[QUOTE="shawty1984"]

[QUOTE="USS_Data"]

Maybe in the country where you live but not where i live. I OWN the console according to our laws and Sony's TOU won't hold in court over here.

USS_Data

what has software to do with doing what you want with your hardware? Where was i talking about software?

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="USS_Data"]

Like I said Sony can make up whatever they want for the TOU as long as i'm doing things allowed by our rules and laws where I live that TOU don't mean jack in court when agreed to them. Our laws > Sony's made up laws.

USS_Data

Sony can ban my console all they want from PSN i wouldn't care since i don't play MP on it.

[QUOTE="USS_Data"]

[QUOTE="shawty1984"]

You own the hardware, you will never own the software no matter where you come from. Sony own the software and always will.

shawty1984

what has software to do with doing what you want with your hardware? Where was i talking about software?

No it isn't there is lots of software out there which is made by the community which isn't owned by Sony and thus you can run it freely on your PS3 without Sony's permission to do so.

[QUOTE="USS_Data"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]Keept telling yourself that, it should come in handy when Sony console bans you for whatever reason.Heres the difference. Sony's "made up" laws dont conflict with "your" laws.

DroidPhysX

Sony can ban my console all they want from PSN i wouldn't care since i don't play MP on it.

Why would I? I do what I want with my PS3 and if sony has a problem with that then let them challenge me in court where I live I know who will be the victor and that is not Sony. As long as I don't download and play illegal copies of games i'm well within my rights.

[QUOTE="shawty1984"]

[QUOTE="USS_Data"]

what has software to do with doing what you want with your hardware? Where was i talking about software?

USS_Data

No it isn't there is lots of software out there which is made by the community which isn't owned by Sony and thus you can run it freely on your PS3 without Sony's permission to do so.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="USS_Data"]

Sony can ban my console all they want from PSN i wouldn't care since i don't play MP on it.

USS_Data

Why would I? I do what I want with my PS3 and if sony has a problem with that then let them challenge me in court where I live I know who will be the victor and that is not Sony. As long as I don't download and play illegal copies of games i'm well within my rights.

Wow I am seeing some stupid comments about TOU..There's a part in the TOU that fully states no one can alter the software within the system.

Wow I am seeing some stupid comments about TOU..There's a part in the TOU that fully states no one can alter the software within the system.

Promised_Trini

I am really interested in seeing this, the only ToU I can find on their website is either 1. for Playstation's website and 2. for PSN service.

Do I detect a PS3 hacker in here?:?

Anyways this is funny, I'll be keeping an eye open for more updates from this dude.:P

Wow I am seeing some stupid comments about TOU..There's a part in the TOU that fully states no one can alter the software within the system.

Promised_Trini

They aren't modifying software in a way that breaches the copyright act. TOU doesn't mean anything unless it can be defended within the context of actual laws. GS could produce a TOU for these forums that says they get to blow our heads off with their weapon of choice should you or I rack up 10 violations, but that really wouldn't be enforceable now would it. At least I hope not :D So TOU by itself means absolutely nothing.

[QUOTE="Promised_Trini"]

Wow I am seeing some stupid comments about TOU..There's a part in the TOU that fully states no one can alter the software within the system.

spinecaton

I am really interested in seeing this, the only ToU I can find on their website is either 1. for Playstation's website and 2. for PSN service.

What an ego maniac. This guy is one of the most detestable ****s I have ever seen. this skumbag is going down hard if he thinks he can go toe to toe with a major corporation in court, especially when he incriminates himself out in the open, like a total fool.

What right do you or others think you have in hacking something you do not own nor made regardless of local laws?

shawty1984

See you are going into a grey area, why don't I own it exactly? I mean technically, I should be able to do whatever I want to my system as long as I don't bring it online or try to cover it under warranty at a later time. Sure there are plenty of jerks out their that ruin the fun for majority of us and DO take it online to effect others. I mean, if I bought a car I am allowed to alter it anyway I see fit as. If I buy a house, I can do whatever I want with it. If I buy a smart phone, we can jailbreak it but it voids the warranty. Why should some $300 dollar piece of equipment that will be replaced by a new system in a couple of years be any different? It sucks that people have to feel like they need to hack games and pirate software and it does ruin it for the others who just want to toss a new media player on their system.

[QUOTE="Promised_Trini"]

Wow I am seeing some stupid comments about TOU..There's a part in the TOU that fully states no one can alter the software within the system.

spinecaton

I am really interested in seeing this, the only ToU I can find on their website is either 1. for Playstation's website and 2. for PSN service.

There's your problem..Your reading the TOU for the Site and PSN.

BTW, I am LMAO at all you 'blackmail, he's effed himself, Sony will get him now' posters.

Sony: Stop writing your own code, or we will sue you.

Hacker: Stop threatening to sue me, or I will write and release more code.

It is a counter-claim and perfectly valid.

[QUOTE="spinecaton"]

[QUOTE="Promised_Trini"]

Wow I am seeing some stupid comments about TOU..There's a part in the TOU that fully states no one can alter the software within the system.

Promised_Trini

I am really interested in seeing this, the only ToU I can find on their website is either 1. for Playstation's website and 2. for PSN service.

There's your problem..Your reading the TOU for the Site and PSN.

Which I asked you to show me the ToU that states what you pointed out because I can't find it.

[QUOTE="Promised_Trini"]

[QUOTE="spinecaton"]

I am really interested in seeing this, the only ToU I can find on their website is either 1. for Playstation's website and 2. for PSN service.

spinecaton

There's your problem..Your reading the TOU for the Site and PSN.

Which I asked you to show me the ToU that states what you pointed out because I can't find it.

If you own PS3 go to it you'll find..Trust me it's there.

[QUOTE="spinecaton"]

[QUOTE="Promised_Trini"]

There's your problem..Your reading the TOU for the Site and PSN.

Promised_Trini

Which I asked you to show me the ToU that states what you pointed out because I can't find it.

If you own PS3 go to it you'll find..Trust me it's there.

Correct me if I'm wrong,

But unless this custom firmware is original from the ground up code then it contains portion(s) of code written by Sony. Wouldn't that make the CFW in part pirated? Also if it's ground up code but signed unauthorized by Sony's key's (which they still own, even if everyone knows them), is that again not piracy or some other illegal act?

I'm just asking a simple question not providing an opinion about either side as I'm just curious as to these technicalities. So try to keep the YAY HACKERS or YAY SONY flames to a minimum! Regardless of stance, if what I ascertain is correct in the US these hackers may be in for a judicial surprise.

Dude has massive cahones, Ill give him that.

[QUOTE="Promised_Trini"]

[QUOTE="spinecaton"]

Which I asked you to show me the ToU that states what you pointed out because I can't find it.

spinecaton

If you own PS3 go to it you'll find..Trust me it's there.

Look I am telling in TOU there is a part that says you cannot alter the Software..Also I can't remember the number but I know when I first got my PS3 and I had hooked for the updates I spotted it..Also like I said if you OWN A DAM PS3..It's there man some you users on gamespot I tell you..

[QUOTE="spinecaton"]

[QUOTE="Promised_Trini"]

If you own PS3 go to it you'll find..Trust me it's there.

Promised_Trini

Look I am telling in TOU there is a part that says you cannot alter the Software..Also I can't remember the number but I know when I first got my PS3 and I had hooked for the updates I spotted it..Also like I said if you OWN A DAM PS3..It's there man some you users on gamespot I tell you..

I don't own a "damn" PS3 which is why I asked you because I was interested in reading it. Since you are the one that said it was their, I thought you would have a little more information on it.

[QUOTE="Promised_Trini"]

[QUOTE="spinecaton"] What number of the ToU is it since you know where it is at and you have read it? Can you quote it verbatim? Under what term of service is it for? Can you tell me anything beyond the fact that "it is there"?

spinecaton

Look I am telling in TOU there is a part that says you cannot alter the Software..Also I can't remember the number but I know when I first got my PS3 and I had hooked for the updates I spotted it..Also like I said if you OWN A DAM PS3..It's there man some you users on gamespot I tell you..

I don't own a "damn" PS3 which is why I asked you because I was interested in reading it. Since you are the one that said it was their, I thought you would have a little more information on it.

So why are you so interested if you don't own a PS3.Something doesn't fit right.Also I am trying to post it but I am being blocked by some HTML error I keep getting when trying to post the part for you.

Just bringing a treat like that can put this moron in deep ****, what an idiot!

[QUOTE="spinecaton"]

[QUOTE="Promised_Trini"]

Look I am telling in TOU there is a part that says you cannot alter the Software..Also I can't remember the number but I know when I first got my PS3 and I had hooked for the updates I spotted it..Also like I said if you OWN A DAM PS3..It's there man some you users on gamespot I tell you..

Promised_Trini

I don't own a "damn" PS3 which is why I asked you because I was interested in reading it. Since you are the one that said it was their, I thought you would have a little more information on it.

So why are you so interested if you don't own a PS3.Something doesn't fit right.Also I am trying to post it but I am being blocked by some HTML error I keep getting when trying to post the part for you.

I just believe that people should be able to do what they want with their systems as long as it does not effect anyone else, that and my curious nature of knowing all :twisted:. Thank you for trying with the link, no harm no foul by the way

[QUOTE="Promised_Trini"]

[QUOTE="spinecaton"]

I don't own a "damn" PS3 which is why I asked you because I was interested in reading it. Since you are the one that said it was their, I thought you would have a little more information on it.

spinecaton

So why are you so interested if you don't own a PS3.Something doesn't fit right.Also I am trying to post it but I am being blocked by some HTML error I keep getting when trying to post the part for you.

I just believe that people should be able to do what they want with their systems as long as it does not effect anyone else, that and my curious nature of knowing all :twisted:. Thank you for trying with the link, no harm no foul by the way

I hear you..But the thing is Software is not ours to own or alter.The hardware is ours not the software..Now people got something else to worry about banned systems being sold on E-bay and so on..So it will start to effect people.

[QUOTE="shawty1984"]

What right do you or others think you have in hacking something you do not own nor made regardless of local laws?

spinecaton

See you are going into a grey area, why don't I own it exactly? I mean technically, I should be able to do whatever I want to my system as long as I don't bring it online or try to cover it under warranty at a later time. Sure there are plenty of jerks out their that ruin the fun for majority of us and DO take it online to effect others. I mean, if I bought a car I am allowed to alter it anyway I see fit as. If I buy a house, I can do whatever I want with it. If I buy a smart phone, we can jailbreak it but it voids the warranty. Why should some $300 dollar piece of equipment that will be replaced by a new system in a couple of years be any different? It sucks that people have to feel like they need to hack games and pirate software and it does ruin it for the others who just want to toss a new media player on their system.

[QUOTE="Promised_Trini"]

[QUOTE="spinecaton"]

I don't own a "damn" PS3 which is why I asked you because I was interested in reading it. Since you are the one that said it was their, I thought you would have a little more information on it.

spinecaton

I just believe that people should be able to do what they want with their systems as long as it does not effect anyone else, that and my curious nature of knowing all :twisted:. Thank you for trying with the link, no harm no foul by the way

Because you don't own the software nor did you make it. You own the hardware. Regardless of laws here, what gives you the moral right to hack into something you don't own? The PS3 is a closed console system, if people want to hack, then the PS3 is not for them. Morally, people have no rights what so ever do they?shawty1984

Lol at the morality of hacking.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with hacking the software, unless you were planning on doing something such as pirating or whatever.

[QUOTE="spinecaton"]

[QUOTE="shawty1984"]

What right do you or others think you have in hacking something you do not own nor made regardless of local laws?

shawty1984

See you are going into a grey area, why don't I own it exactly? I mean technically, I should be able to do whatever I want to my system as long as I don't bring it online or try to cover it under warranty at a later time. Sure there are plenty of jerks out their that ruin the fun for majority of us and DO take it online to effect others. I mean, if I bought a car I am allowed to alter it anyway I see fit as. If I buy a house, I can do whatever I want with it. If I buy a smart phone, we can jailbreak it but it voids the warranty. Why should some $300 dollar piece of equipment that will be replaced by a new system in a couple of years be any different? It sucks that people have to feel like they need to hack games and pirate software and it does ruin it for the others who just want to toss a new media player on their system.

You didn't make anything you own unless you made dinner last night :P Sorry just had to point out that part was silly. All I am saying is that it is a grey area. If you alter your system in anyway, you void your warranty. However, if it is sitting in my living in my house then it is mine. Sony cannot just come in and say "hey we need your PS3, it is ours since we made it and you can't do anything about it".

[QUOTE="spinecaton"]

[QUOTE="shawty1984"]

What right do you or others think you have in hacking something you do not own nor made regardless of local laws?

shawty1984

See you are going into a grey area, why don't I own it exactly? I mean technically, I should be able to do whatever I want to my system as long as I don't bring it online or try to cover it under warranty at a later time. Sure there are plenty of jerks out their that ruin the fun for majority of us and DO take it online to effect others. I mean, if I bought a car I am allowed to alter it anyway I see fit as. If I buy a house, I can do whatever I want with it. If I buy a smart phone, we can jailbreak it but it voids the warranty. Why should some $300 dollar piece of equipment that will be replaced by a new system in a couple of years be any different? It sucks that people have to feel like they need to hack games and pirate software and it does ruin it for the others who just want to toss a new media player on their system.

[QUOTE="shawty1984"]Because you don't own the software nor did you make it. You own the hardware. Regardless of laws here, what gives you the moral right to hack into something you don't own? The PS3 is a closed console system, if people want to hack, then the PS3 is not for them. Morally, people have no rights what so ever do they?Remmib

Lol at the morality of hacking.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with hacking the software, unless you were planning on doing something such as pirating or whatever.

[QUOTE="shawty1984"]

[QUOTE="spinecaton"]

See you are going into a grey area, why don't I own it exactly? I mean technically, I should be able to do whatever I want to my system as long as I don't bring it online or try to cover it under warranty at a later time. Sure there are plenty of jerks out their that ruin the fun for majority of us and DO take it online to effect others. I mean, if I bought a car I am allowed to alter it anyway I see fit as. If I buy a house, I can do whatever I want with it. If I buy a smart phone, we can jailbreak it but it voids the warranty. Why should some $300 dollar piece of equipment that will be replaced by a new system in a couple of years be any different? It sucks that people have to feel like they need to hack games and pirate software and it does ruin it for the others who just want to toss a new media player on their system.

spinecaton

You didn't make anything you own unless you made dinner last night :P Sorry just had to point out that part was silly. All I am saying is that it is a grey area. If you alter your system in anyway, you void your warranty. However, if it is sitting in my living in my house then it is mine. Sony cannot just come in and say "hey we need your PS3, it is ours since we made it and you can't do anything about it".

[QUOTE="shawty1984"]

[QUOTE="spinecaton"]

See you are going into a grey area, why don't I own it exactly? I mean technically, I should be able to do whatever I want to my system as long as I don't bring it online or try to cover it under warranty at a later time. Sure there are plenty of jerks out their that ruin the fun for majority of us and DO take it online to effect others. I mean, if I bought a car I am allowed to alter it anyway I see fit as. If I buy a house, I can do whatever I want with it. If I buy a smart phone, we can jailbreak it but it voids the warranty. Why should some $300 dollar piece of equipment that will be replaced by a new system in a couple of years be any different? It sucks that people have to feel like they need to hack games and pirate software and it does ruin it for the others who just want to toss a new media player on their system.

HuusAsking

You mean like they can't with Geohot's PS3? Oh wait, they just have basically.

My point is, when you go to the shop, to buy the PS3, you own the hardware. You do no own the software. You did not plow money into the software, nor did you make any part of the software. So you have no moral rights to then start hacking into the software. Morally, there is no grey area what so ever. Legally maybe, but in my opinion there shouldn't be.

shawty1984

Geohot's is a little different because he was distributing something, so you really can't compare it.

So you are saying every software you buy whether it is for your PC, PS3, Xbox 360, your phone, practically anything that has a screen... we never own it, because we did not write the code for it.

edit: not that I don't agree with the statement of closed software versus open software, just think you are expressing the opinion wrong. Stick using the closed software term instead of what we own and don't own. :P

[QUOTE="Remmib"]

[QUOTE="shawty1984"]Because you don't own the software nor did you make it. You own the hardware. Regardless of laws here, what gives you the moral right to hack into something you don't own? The PS3 is a closed console system, if people want to hack, then the PS3 is not for them. Morally, people have no rights what so ever do they?shawty1984

Lol at the morality of hacking.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with hacking the software, unless you were planning on doing something such as pirating or whatever.