Question to PC gamers.

You know, I always wonder how Hermits reconcile their constant technofanboyism with their apparent love of games like Diablo II, Starcraft, the original Half Life, Tribes, the technically backwards WoW and whatnot. I mean, many of the most beloved PC games by PC gamers are beyond last gen in technical standards... And yet they are still incredible games - or at least, that's what PC gamers claim. With this in mind, isn't it reasonable that someone might actually prefer the console for games - even if they could potentially have the best gaming PC in the world for free to play Crysis on until their eyes exploded?

Add to this that consoles are *way* more plug and play, have a fraction of the hassles (software/hardware conflicts, no threat of virus/virus scanners, no need to trim out junk software to keep optimal performance, no need to clean spyware, no need to be up-to-date to know how to do all of this), puts all people on an even playing field for multiplayer (no fancy joysticks, no-one having a better frame rate, etc), no need to deal with upgrading to get an optimal gaming experience... Why is it that PC gamers just don't get the simple fact that consoles are really just better products for some people? Heck, for a lot of people who just want to play good games without having to make a hobby out of keeping able to play good games.Shafftehr

I really do get it. But, it really works both ways.

But then again, there wouldn't really be a system wars if everybody did get it... right?

People going over the merits of PC is a normal response to criticism of the platform, it doesn't necessarily mean they are trying to forcefully convince people to become a PC gamer; which is the impression I get from the aggressive rejection of PC as a gaming platform in this thread.

Couch > Computer chair.SeanDiff

the thing is, pc graphics aren't better. How many good looking pc games are there? Really, Crysis and the "better versions". Console games have such a higher visual standard. Look at the "best" devs for the pc- valve and blizzard. There games look like crap

And here's where graphics boil down the most-- those with your most played best games. Does it matter if a crappy game has the best graphics ever? No, not at all. It only matters for the games you play often. Hermits seem to only be caring about these games that look rather poor, again, Valve's and Blizzards games. What's at the top for Ps3 and 360er's? Gears, Killzone, Final Fantasy, etc.---> beautiful looking games

We PC gamers really don't care about console games either. Goes both ways there sonny.

Simple fact is that this is System Wars. We have as much right to comment about anything as everyone else. Don't like it? Go and cry in a corner.

the thing is, pc graphics aren't better. How many good looking pc games are there? Really, Crysis and the "better versions". Console games have such a higher visual standard. Look at the "best" devs for the pc- valve and blizzard. There games look like crapIheartrpgsalot

Come on, you gotta try harder if you want to flamebait.

[QUOTE="Iheartrpgsalot"]the thing is, pc graphics aren't better. How many good looking pc games are there? Really, Crysis and the "better versions". Console games have such a higher visual standard. Look at the "best" devs for the pc- valve and blizzard. There games look like crapAljosa23

Come on, you gotta try harder if you want to flamebait.

the thing is, pc graphics aren't better. How many good looking pc games are there? Really, Crysis and the "better versions". Console games have such a higher visual standard. Look at the "best" devs for the pc- valve and blizzard. There games look like crapIheartrpgsalot

http://www.gamespot.com/features/6202552/index.html

Yes, PC games look far better. Especially PC exclusives. You're in denial.

Last time I checked I dont just game on my PC. Sure my PC is ready to play games but its not a gaming PC. I use to for everything. Thats what I think people keep getting away from. A gaming PC just doesnt confine you to playing games now does it???Killfox

Alot of people don't game on PC becasue they think it's difficult to check system requirements and to install and patch, you can see everywhere in society that people are getting lazyer and don't want to know how something works and put effort into it they want as much as possible done for them. I'll admit that there are some advantages to consoles such as the social aspect of split screen and it simply being shown on a TV but as i spend the majority of my time gaming online or by myself and as i also use other pc aps alot the PC gives a better deal for me.markop2003

[QUOTE="Killfox"]Last time I checked I dont just game on my PC. Sure my PC is ready to play games but its not a gaming PC. I use to for everything. Thats what I think people keep getting away from. A gaming PC just doesnt confine you to playing games now does it???Aljosa23

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"][QUOTE="Killfox"]Last time I checked I dont just game on my PC. Sure my PC is ready to play games but its not a gaming PC. I use to for everything. Thats what I think people keep getting away from. A gaming PC just doesnt confine you to playing games now does it???markop2003

[QUOTE="Iheartrpgsalot"]the thing is, pc graphics aren't better. How many good looking pc games are there? Really, Crysis and the "better versions". Console games have such a higher visual standard. Look at the "best" devs for the pc- valve and blizzard. There games look like crapPuckhog04

http://www.gamespot.com/features/6202552/index.html

Yes, PC games look far better. Especially PC exclusives. You're in denial.

The pc gamer in me plays mostly TF2. That game looks meh graphically. The 360 gamer in me plays halo 3. That game looks quite better graphically, but still nothign special. The Ps3 gamer in me plays nothing because the ps3 has no good games!!!

That's how you truly rate graphics. Why else would we expell games like Lair, which look damn fine graphically, from these debates?

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"][QUOTE="Killfox"]Last time I checked I dont just game on my PC. Sure my PC is ready to play games but its not a gaming PC. I use to for everything. Thats what I think people keep getting away from. A gaming PC just doesnt confine you to playing games now does it???markop2003

[QUOTE="markop2003"]Alot of people don't game on PC becasue they think it's difficult to check system requirements and to install and patch, you can see everywhere in society that people are getting lazyer and don't want to know how something works and put effort into it they want as much as possible done for them. I'll admit that there are some advantages to consoles such as the social aspect of split screen and it simply being shown on a TV but as i spend the majority of my time gaming online or by myself and as i also use other pc aps alot the PC gives a better deal for me.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Iheartrpgsalot"] Because honestly, did Crysis really last anyone more than 2 months? Vandalvideo

^ What's there to do in Crysis? It's multiplayer is crap really. Single player doesn't last longIheartrpgsalot

[QUOTE="Puckhog04"]

[QUOTE="Iheartrpgsalot"]the thing is, pc graphics aren't better. How many good looking pc games are there? Really, Crysis and the "better versions". Console games have such a higher visual standard. Look at the "best" devs for the pc- valve and blizzard. There games look like crapIheartrpgsalot

http://www.gamespot.com/features/6202552/index.html

Yes, PC games look far better. Especially PC exclusives. You're in denial.

I quoted what you said. Deal with it. Insignificantly different? :lol: You really are in denial. Nah, you're the only one who can't see the difference. The majority can see the difference and do care. You said PC graphics aren't better and i just showed you that you were wrong.

Tons of people play Crysis Wars online to this day. Really shows how little you know about PC gaming in general. When you say "PC game" all PC games are included...not just the ones that are supposedly (by your standards which are a joke it appears) played the most.

Lair is excluded because 1. The game sucks beyond all reason and 2. It doesn't look that good. Far better looking games out there.

[QUOTE="markop2003"]Alot of people don't game on PC becasue they think it's difficult to check system requirements and to install and patch, you can see everywhere in society that people are getting lazyer and don't want to know how something works and put effort into it they want as much as possible done for them. I'll admit that there are some advantages to consoles such as the social aspect of split screen and it simply being shown on a TV but as i spend the majority of my time gaming online or by myself and as i also use other pc aps alot the PC gives a better deal for me.Vandalvideo

heck, I just got my pc a bit ago, 4 GB ram, quad core, 8500 GT nvidia, I can't play games btter on my pc than my 360, not even close. I realize I could just get a better graphics card and I'd have a damn good pc, but I really don't care about playing crysis on higher settings when all I play on the pc is stuff from Valve and maybe later diablo, none of which are demanding at all

^ What's there to do in Crysis? It's multiplayer is crap really. Single player doesn't last longIheartrpgsalot

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="markop2003"]Alot of people don't game on PC becasue they think it's difficult to check system requirements and to install and patch, you can see everywhere in society that people are getting lazyer and don't want to know how something works and put effort into it they want as much as possible done for them. I'll admit that there are some advantages to consoles such as the social aspect of split screen and it simply being shown on a TV but as i spend the majority of my time gaming online or by myself and as i also use other pc aps alot the PC gives a better deal for me.Iheartrpgsalot

[QUOTE="markop2003"] Walk into you're local PC superstore and have a look around, you'll be surprised at how many modern PCs arn't up to gaming. People don't want to put the effort into finding out what the specs mean before they get a PC, even though sites like Dell exist where you can make a PC of you're desired specs people don't know what the specs mean and don't want to know. How complicated it is dosn'#t matter, what matters is how complicated it seems to the general public.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="markop2003"] Walk into you're local PC superstore and have a look around, you'll be surprised at how many modern PCs arn't up to gaming. People don't want to put the effort into finding out what the specs mean before they get a PC, even though sites like Dell exist where you can make a PC of you're desired specs people don't know what the specs mean and don't want to know. How complicated it is dosn'#t matter, what matters is how complicated it seems to the general public.Vandalvideo

GTA4 on PC is a horrible example. That game is horribly optimized because the devs at Rockstar didn't optimize it for Dual-Core PCs.

And even on Low the game still looks better than the PS3/360 version. :lol:

] I bought an Acer desktop new from PC World for around 300GBP ($600, back then) last year. That thing had to run TF2 in a window at the lowest possible settings and it still lagged. Most showroom PCs don't have dedicated graphics cards, which is the main problem.AirGuitarist87

[QUOTE="Iheartrpgsalot"] no, they really can't. Half of the pc gamers here probably cant even play GTA4. Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="markop2003"] Walk into you're local PC superstore and have a look around, you'll be surprised at how many modern PCs arn't up to gaming. People don't want to put the effort into finding out what the specs mean before they get a PC, even though sites like Dell exist where you can make a PC of you're desired specs people don't know what the specs mean and don't want to know. How complicated it is dosn'#t matter, what matters is how complicated it seems to the general public.AirGuitarist87

[QUOTE="AirGuitarist87"]] I bought an Acer desktop new from PC World for around 300GBP ($600, back then) last year. That thing had to run TF2 in a window at the lowest possible settings and it still lagged. Most showroom PCs don't have dedicated graphics cards, which is the main problem.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="AirGuitarist87"]] I bought an Acer desktop new from PC World for around 300GBP ($600, back then) last year. That thing had to run TF2 in a window at the lowest possible settings and it still lagged. Most showroom PCs don't have dedicated graphics cards, which is the main problem.Vandalvideo

the thing is, pc graphics aren't better. How many good looking pc games are there? Really, Crysis and the "better versions". Console games have such a higher visual standard. Look at the "best" devs for the pc- valve and blizzard. There games look like crap

And here's where graphics boil down the most-- those with your most played best games. Does it matter if a crappy game has the best graphics ever? No, not at all. It only matters for the games you play often. Hermits seem to only be caring about these games that look rather poor, again, Valve's and Blizzards games. What's at the top for Ps3 and 360er's? Gears, Killzone, Final Fantasy, etc.---> beautiful looking games

Iheartrpgsalot

You know the whole gaming industry doesn't operate like consoles, if you think that way of course you won't understand it. PC is a variable hardware platform, audiences can be divided by their system configuration unlike consoles which have a set specification. Valve and Blizzard games look the way they do because of the hardware audiences they target, not because they are bad developers.

There is THE Sims audience and your Crysis, STALKER CS, Empire: Total War etc. audiences; different games designed for different hardware specifications. You cannot single out popular developers and say that is the best PC can do, all you are doing is making judgements of that segment; in this case purely on graphical matters.

That said what statement are you trying to make exactly? That even though PC has a hardware advantage console users like eye candy more?

PC world sure is terrible, another problem is they put in a low power PSU so you can't even upgradce the gfx card substantially without needing a new PSU.markop2003

Acer is a terrible company for desktops fullstop. I did actually upgrade it with a new PSU and GPU, but it decided that the GPU was some sort of threat and decided to die on me. Course Acer don't provide recovery discs, you're meant to make them yourself with ePowered but that program is broken beyond recognition.

GTA4 on PC is a horrible example. That game is horribly optimized because the devs at Rockstar didn't optimize it for Dual-Core PCs.

And even on Low the game still looks better than the PS3/360 version. :lol:

We PC gamers really don't care about console games either. Goes both ways there sonny.

Simple fact is that this is System Wars. We have as much right to comment about anything as everyone else. Don't like it? Go and cry in a corner.

Puckhog04

Yet in your sig you have an XBL named account

As well as a PSN account :shock:

Oh the irony!

[QUOTE="Iheartrpgsalot"]

the thing is, pc graphics aren't better. How many good looking pc games are there? Really, Crysis and the "better versions". Console games have such a higher visual standard. Look at the "best" devs for the pc- valve and blizzard. There games look like crap

And here's where graphics boil down the most-- those with your most played best games. Does it matter if a crappy game has the best graphics ever? No, not at all. It only matters for the games you play often. Hermits seem to only be caring about these games that look rather poor, again, Valve's and Blizzards games. What's at the top for Ps3 and 360er's? Gears, Killzone, Final Fantasy, etc.---> beautiful looking games

AnnoyedDragon

You know the whole gaming industry doesn't operate like consoles, if you think that way of course you won't understand it. PC is a variable hardware platform, audiences can be divided by their system configuration unlike consoles which have a set specification. Valve and Blizzard games look the way they do because of the hardware audiences they target, not because they are bad developers.

There is THE Sims audience and your Crysis, STALKER CS, Empire: Total War etc. audiences; different games designed for different hardware specifications. You cannot single out popular developers and say that is the best PC can do, all you are doing is making judgements of that segment; in this case purely on graphical matters.

That said what statement are you trying to make exactly? That even though PC has a hardware advantage console users like eye candy more?

and vandal, what's your specs?

[QUOTE="Iheartrpgsalot"] What the crap? You have no idea. A rig that could just max out farcry can barely even touch crysis. And crysis definately isnt the most demanding gameVandalvideo

PC gaming is superior some people like console fanboys dont want to give in and buy them b/c they are too lazy to figure how a pc works. Online is better on PC, graphics, controls,mods,community, and so on. Console gamers are either to lazy, or not bright enough to understand what pc gaming has to offer. millerlight89

It's called preference ;) Just because people don't want to spend a grand to buy a rig from the store doesn't make them lazy to "build their own"

Lol and preference doesn't make people not "bright enough to PC game" Lol.