Only 4 cables? Thats quite a few. ._.;;; I still live at home, and I'm having trouble finding a job right now (college student). My family isn't very well off and we don't own very high end TVs but I still prefer playing on them. I'm not even sure I could hook up a PC to my TVs they're so basic. ._.;; Not that I care. Consoles work fine on them.I don't doubt that once you have the necessary cables, and providing the cables are compatable with both ends, hook up wouldn't be difficult. But I do doubt it wouldn't look terrible, I doubt it would be easy to set up and take down quickly, I'm fairly certain you cant simply use your PC just like a console (pop in and play, controller in hand), and not have to use a keyboard or mouse at some point when using the PC.And in the end, it would hardly be worth it for me and many other gamers. Console gamers who choose not to play on PC probably don't want to deal with all of that. It's just not worthwhile to them. hakanakumonoAs long as it has a coaxal cable on the back you can still hook a PC up to it. I mean you would have to go back to pre- snes days when there were no coaxal cables to find a TV the PC couldn't hook up to. Besides, there aren't a whole lot fables here, and its pretty clean. What do you care about a few cables anyway? I mean unless you're OCD, I'm being serious here not trying to make a joke, then I see no reason to complain. And you can use a gamepad to controll all functions of a PC besides typing. I do it all the time. The only time I use my keyboard is when I'm typing these messages. There aren't a whole lot of things you have to 'deal' with when you're playing PC games. Most of these things are blown way out of proportion. If you really care about one or two more cables that much then I don't really see what more to tell you.
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Of course you can use PC to TV setup. But with a console its going to be naturally easier to do so and you can't deny that.hakanakumonoMaybe, if you really have the gaul to complain about maybe two to three extra seconds of initial work which will never have to be done ever again.
[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]Only 4 cables? Thats quite a few. ._.;;; I still live at home, and I'm having trouble finding a job right now (college student). My family isn't very well off and we don't own very high end TVs but I still prefer playing on them. I'm not even sure I could hook up a PC to my TVs they're so basic. ._.;; Not that I care. Consoles work fine on them.I don't doubt that once you have the necessary cables, and providing the cables are compatable with both ends, hook up wouldn't be difficult. But I do doubt it wouldn't look terrible, I doubt it would be easy to set up and take down quickly, I'm fairly certain you cant simply use your PC just like a console (pop in and play, controller in hand), and not have to use a keyboard or mouse at some point when using the PC.And in the end, it would hardly be worth it for me and many other gamers. Console gamers who choose not to play on PC probably don't want to deal with all of that. It's just not worthwhile to them. VandalvideoAs long as it has a coaxal cable on the back you can still hook a PC up to it. I mean you would have to go back to pre- snes days when there were no coaxal cables to find a TV the PC couldn't hook up to. Besides, there aren't a whole lot fables here, and its pretty clean. What do you care about a few cables anyway? I mean unless you're OCD, I'm being serious here not trying to make a joke, then I see no reason to complain. And you can use a gamepad to controll all functions of a PC besides typing. I do it all the time. The only time I use my keyboard is when I'm typing these messages. There aren't a whole lot of things you have to 'deal' with when you're playing PC games. Most of these things are blown way out of proportion. If you really care about one or two more cables that much then I don't really see what more to tell you.
I'm not saying its simply too hard to work with. Yes, the cables matter to me.Let me explain this better.
PCs are naturally made to function with mouse and Keyboard. They are meant to be used, modified, adjusted, etc with that mice and keyboard. Gaming is simply one function of a PC. PCs are made to do many things. Gamepads are an extra peripheral. PCs are generally made to work with a monitor, but special set ups with a TV can be made. PCs have more wires and are designed to stay in place. They can be moved, but it takes more work.
On a Console, you generally do everything with the gamepad. They are meant to primarily play games. They do have extra functions such as internet and playing movies, but they are primarily game machines that do not require much adjustment or modification (compared to PC). Keyboards and mice are extra peripherals for consoles. Consoles are MADE for TV. Consoles can be transported with ease.
In short, while PCs can be made to emulate the console experience, the consoles do it with relative ease while it takes some extra know how, and set up to do so with a console.
Situation: My friend wants to play the latest game. Of course its naturally going to be easier to move my console to my car, and bring it with me to a friends house (although I'm not sure I'd want to with the gigantic modern systems). PC would be extremely impractical and practically unwanted to set up at a friends house. It would be ridiculous.
[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]Of course you can use PC to TV setup. But with a console its going to be naturally easier to do so and you can't deny that.VandalvideoMaybe, if you really have the gaul to complain about maybe two to three extra seconds of initial work which will never have to be done ever again.
Wait, I don't think you understand. The setup the PC would have to be in for me would have to be temporary. I don't have any permanent set ups, except for a shelf the PS2 sits on. Any extraneous console I have (currently the saturn is plugged in) would have to be moved after playing.
Thats part of the benefit of consoles. ._.;;
I'm not talkinga bout a one time set up. I'm talking about a setup that is constantly set up and removed, multiple times.
[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]PCs are impractical when it comes to playing games in a comfortable setting (i mean by hooking up to a tv), and moving around your system. VandalvideoYou do realize that there are are smaller cases out there like mIcroatx cases? If portability is your thing, those are your best bet. They're about as compact as consoles and about the exact same ammount of wires. PS: Like the new disidia avatar. The impractical part is having to move it back to a desk when you want surf the web or type a paper when someone else wants to watch tv. The other problem is that a lot of pc games are designed around a keyboard and mouse. It simply makes more sense to buy a console, especially when the res of your hdtv is fixed and thus the pc benefit of running at a higher resolution doesn't matter. Consoles are also better in the living room for multiplayer games.
In short, while PCs can be made to emulate the console experience, the consoles do it with relative ease while it takes some extra know how, and set up to do so with a console.hakanakumonoAs I already explained to you, there are only one or two extra cables. You're complaininga bout maybe one or two extra minutes of neglible overhead that will go away after set up. The differences between PC and console set ups for the TV are completely NEGLIGBLE. You really have to be nitpicking to complain about these differences. It is a vacuous claim. No one is going to give a crap about an extra minute that you only spend ONCE, adn about ONE or TWO extra cables!
Wait, I don't think you understand. The setup the PC would have to be in for me would have to be temporary. I don't have any permanent set ups, except for a shelf the PS2 sits on. Any extraneous console I have (currently the saturn is plugged in) would have to be moved after playing. Thats part of the benefit of consoles. ._.;; hakanakumonoAnd, like I said, there is only one or two extra cables involved. All of which take less than a combined minute to unplug, pick up, and move. You're acting like there is a hueg difference between PC and console tv set ups, when in all actuality they are not.
The impractical part is having to move it back to a desk when you want surf the web or type a paper when someone else wants to watch tv. The other problem is that a lot of pc games are designed around a keyboard and mouse. It simply makes more sense to buy a console, especially when the res of your hdtv is fixed and thus the pc benefit of running at a higher resolution doesn't matter. Consoles are also better in the living room for multiplayer games. dc337That is a problem of your own design. I mean the platform ITSELF is not stopping you from typing a paper from the living room sofa. YOu're the one placing that extra burden on the platform itself. The fact of the matter is that the PC, as a gaming platform, can use the exact same set up as consoles and provide the similar experience. Not to mention the PC will cap off at the native res of the HDTV monitor. You don't have to spend time fiddling around with the resolution. Besides, that is YOUR CHOICE not to take advantage of the TV set up.
[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]In short, while PCs can be made to emulate the console experience, the consoles do it with relative ease while it takes some extra know how, and set up to do so with a console.VandalvideoAs I already explained to you, there are only one or two extra cables. You're complaininga bout maybe one or two extra minutes of neglible overhead that will go away after set up. The differences between PC and console set ups for the TV are completely NEGLIGBLE. You really have to be nitpicking to complain about these differences. It is a vacuous claim. No one is going to give a crap about an extra minute that you only spend ONCE, adn about ONE or TWO extra cables!
It wouldn't be spent once, it would be spent as often as I play games. ._.;
I'm constantly playing different games on different consoles.
It wouldn't be spent once, it would be spent as often as I play games. ._.;I'm constantly playing different games on different consoles. hakanakumonoEven if it is only once, you're complaining about negligble overhead. I mean, put it into perspective. You're complaining about ONE OR TWO FREAKIGN CABLES.
[QUOTE="dc337"] The impractical part is having to move it back to a desk when you want surf the web or type a paper when someone else wants to watch tv. The other problem is that a lot of pc games are designed around a keyboard and mouse. It simply makes more sense to buy a console, especially when the res of your hdtv is fixed and thus the pc benefit of running at a higher resolution doesn't matter. Consoles are also better in the living room for multiplayer games. VandalvideoThat is a problem of your own design. I mean the platform ITSELF is not stopping you from typing a paper from the living room sofa. YOu're the one placing that extra burden on the platform itself. The fact of the matter is that the PC, as a gaming platform, can use the exact same set up as consoles and provide the similar experience. Not to mention the PC will cap off at the native res of the HDTV monitor. You don't have to spend time fiddling around with the resolution. Besides, that is YOUR CHOICE not to take advantage of the TV set up.
You're blaming consolites for being too lazy to recreate a setup thats relatively easy on consoles for PC.
Thats absurd. It's not about the consolite. It's about the relative ease and comfort of setup as well.
Consoles are naturally better at this. They're designed for it. Just because you think its negligable doesn't mean its not a factor for many people, especially people who take DOWN their setups often, or share with other people.
You're blaming consolites for being too lazy to recreate a setup thats relatively easy on consoles for PC.Thats absurd. It's not about the consolite. It's about the relative ease and comfort of setup as well.Consoles are naturally better at this. They're designed for it. Just because you think its negligable doesn't mean its not a factor for many people, especially people who take DOWN their setups often, or share with other people. hakanakumonoOf course I'm blaming consolites. They're the ones demanding that the PC be moved back and forth to type a paper. They're placing that extra burden on the PC itself. I personally don't use my computer to type papers. I use the school computers to do it. See, I'm not placing that burden on my PC and it can be used as a gaming rig. If you want to use your PC as a gaming rigyou can take advantage of the exact same kind of setups for consoles. There is relatively equal ammounts of ease and comfort of use with PCs now. You're complaining about one or two cables.
[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]You're blaming consolites for being too lazy to recreate a setup thats relatively easy on consoles for PC.Thats absurd. It's not about the consolite. It's about the relative ease and comfort of setup as well.Consoles are naturally better at this. They're designed for it. Just because you think its negligable doesn't mean its not a factor for many people, especially people who take DOWN their setups often, or share with other people. VandalvideoOf course I'm blaming consolites. They're the ones demanding that the PC be moved back and forth to type a paper. They're placing that extra burden on the PC itself. I personally don't use my computer to type papers. I use the school computers to do it. See, I'm not placing that burden on my PC and it can be used as a gaming rig. If you want to use your PC as a gaming rigyou can take advantage of the exact same kind of setups for consoles. There is relatively equal ammounts of ease and comfort of use with PCs now. You're complaining about one or two cables. It's not just about teardown, or using the PC for non-gaming purposes. It's crap like needing a keyboard and mouse when a console can be operated entirely from a simple gamepad. It's crap like needing a 3rd party hack to make a gamepad work with every single game when consoles are already designed for a single input device. It's crap like needing to specify your resolution and surround sound settings in every game instead of one central point. Yeah, it's only a few minutes here, a few minutes there, but why bother when you don't really get anything out of it? Consoles are good enough.
[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]It wouldn't be spent once, it would be spent as often as I play games. ._.;I'm constantly playing different games on different consoles. VandalvideoEven if it is only once, you're complaining about negligble overhead. I mean, put it into perspective. You're complaining about ONE OR TWO FREAKIGN CABLES.
LOOK. If I'm going to have a PC, I'm going to want to use it as a PC. Sure I could put the extra work in and have an awkard looking console like setup for a PC that I researched, spent money on, and built myself hooked up tot he TV. But that takes, time, money, effort. And then I'm going to want to MOVE the PC to a desk to use it as a PC because thats my personal preference.
You could say "thats your fault," but then you're highlighting the error in PC gamers arguments. It always comes down to this. "You're just not willing to put enough work into it!" Well why should consolites, when they're happy with consoles where they DON'T HAVE TO. It's the console gamers fault they dont want to put the effort into building a better PC. Its not the console gamers fault they don't want to work for the TV setup. It's the fault of the PC for being more difficult to do so.
For most people, gaming is not a career. A setup to a TV is much easier on a console. Sure it can be done on a PC, but it would be a pain. It's not a PROBLEM that consolites don't want to deal with the headaches associated with PC gaming, especially because gaming on a PC or a console does not determine your VALUE as a person.
Consoles match the preference of EASE best and that preference shouldn't be looked down upon.
This isn't a matter of not putting in the work. This is a matter of assigning extraneous tasks to the PC that don't even have to be there. I mean I could do the same with consoles. My roomate likes to use it as a DVD palyer, so whenever he wants to play movies I have to unhook it and move it into his room. Just one more annoyance that I have to consider.You could say "thats your fault," but then you're highlighting the error in PC gamers arguments. It always comes down to this. "You're just not willing to put enough work into it!" Well why should consolites, when they're happy with consoles where they DON'T HAVE TO. It's the console gamers fault they dont want to put the effort into building a better PC. Its not the console gamers fault they don't want to work for the TV setup. It's the fault of the PC for being more difficult to do so.
Completely and abhorrently wrong. I've already explained time and time again that the PC can be relatively just as easy to hook up for TVs as consoles can. One extra cable doesn't qualify as 'much easier'. It isn't much of a pain either. This is coming from someone who avidly games on the TV with his PC. You're doing nothing more than propigating a common misconception these consolites have. You're overreaching for problems that simply do not exist.For most people, gaming is not a career. A setup to a TV is much easier on a console. Sure it can be done on a PC, but it would be a pain. It's not a PROBLEM that consolites don't want to deal with the headaches associated with PC gaming, especially because gaming on a PC or a console does not determine your VALUE as a person.
The difference is negligble, and it comes to ap oint where all you're doing is complaining about one FREAKIGN CABLE.Consoles match the preference of EASE best and that preference shouldn't be looked down upon.
But why should one bother at all if they don't see any value in it? Isn't that the point of this thread - that if we thought it was worth any amount of effort at all, we'd already be doing it?lowe0Don't bother if you don't bloody well want to bother. All I'm doing is establishing that it is a freaking option, and one that doesn't take much to take advantage of.
[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]You're blaming consolites for being too lazy to recreate a setup thats relatively easy on consoles for PC.Thats absurd. It's not about the consolite. It's about the relative ease and comfort of setup as well.Consoles are naturally better at this. They're designed for it. Just because you think its negligable doesn't mean its not a factor for many people, especially people who take DOWN their setups often, or share with other people. VandalvideoOf course I'm blaming consolites. They're the ones demanding that the PC be moved back and forth to type a paper. They're placing that extra burden on the PC itself. I personally don't use my computer to type papers. I use the school computers to do it. See, I'm not placing that burden on my PC and it can be used as a gaming rig. If you want to use your PC as a gaming rigyou can take advantage of the exact same kind of setups for consoles. There is relatively equal ammounts of ease and comfort of use with PCs now. You're complaining about one or two cables.
Like clockwork.
PC Gamers argument: If the PC can't do it well, then its YOUR fault for wanting it! Shame on you for prefering features the consoles provide better than the PC!
I thought we were talking about gaming in general here and how PCs can meet the same gaming needs as consoles. And as soon as I mention something like transporting the console vs. the PC.
No one's demanding that their PC be moved back and forth like paper. But I do want my gaming system to, and thats why I'd prefer to use a console. Is there a problem with wanting to transport a console. Is it morally wrong to move a game system and take it with you?
PC Gamers argument: If the PC can't do it well, then its YOUR fault for wanting it! Shame on you for prefering features the consoles provide better than the PC!hakanakumonoThe PC can do it well. You're complaining about a single extra cable and assgning extraneous tasks to the PC.
I already proved you wrong on this front. Its called a Micro-atx case. If you're really for portable PCs, get one.I thought we were talking about gaming in general here and how PCs can meet the same gaming needs as consoles. And as soon as I mention something like transporting the console vs. the PC.
Like I said, just now, you can move a PC back and forth. They make portable PC cases that are just as small as consoles. I had one back in 2004 and used it up until I got a tower because I stopped lan gaming. You can get a gaming PC made specifically for these types of tasks. There isn't anything stopping you.No one's demanding that their PC be moved back and forth like paper. But I do want my gaming system to, and thats why I'd prefer to use a console. Is there a problem with wanting to transport a console. Is it morally wrong to move a game system and take it with you?
[QUOTE="DonPerian"] And if I were to say I enjoy getting notifications of who is online via Xbox LIVE or chatting with 7 of my other friends using the service is the "best" way to play it? It's all subjective. The sooner you understand that, the sooner you can see that none is "better". Someone can say they think the 360 is better just because they like the boot up screen at the beginning or seeing the light on the console lit as they play and it's still a valid (albeit strange) argument.VandalvideoAll I'm doing is making a point. The fact of the matter is that the PC can hook up to a TV, play from a couch, and use a gamepad.
No one's doubting you can. It's just not worth it.
It's not just one cable. It's also a mouse and a keyboard and the mess it looks like. I've had a PC in the living room in front of the TV before. What a disaster. Of course if I really wanted to I could build a PC from the ground and make it so that it sets up to the tv. Because after all it is possible.
But the question is Why?
Especially when consoles can do it better and I'd prefer to play on consoles because I'm more interested in console games.
No one's doubting you can. It's just not worth it.hakanakumonoAccording to your own personal opinion, based on negligble time sinks.
OMG three extra cables, TEH HORROR! Look, you're making a whole lot ado about nothing. You're making a big freakign deal about three extra cables, two of which are not even required! Bend down and unplugs the cables from your 360 right now. It only takes a few seconds per cable. They are neglible down time. The sheer facts of the matter are that PCs CAN provide the same experience.It's not just one cable. It's also a mouse and a keyboard and the mess it looks like. I've had a PC in the living room in front of the TV before. What a disaster. Of course if I really wanted to I could build a PC from the ground and make it so that it sets up to the tv. Because after all it is possible.
Consoles doing it better is nothing more than your opinion. You're more than welcome to your opinion, but the fact of the matter is that the PC can do the exact same tasks with negligble fuss.But the question is Why?Especially when consoles can do it better and I'd prefer to play on consoles because I'm more interested in console games.
[QUOTE="hakanakumono"] The PC can do it well. You're complaining about a single extra cable and assgning extraneous tasks to the PC.I already proved you wrong on this front. Its called a Micro-atx case. If you're really for portable PCs, get one.I thought we were talking about gaming in general here and how PCs can meet the same gaming needs as consoles. And as soon as I mention something like transporting the console vs. the PC.Vandalvideo
Like I said, just now, you can move a PC back and forth. They make portable PC cases that are just as small as consoles. I had one back in 2004 and used it up until I got a tower because I stopped lan gaming. You can get a gaming PC made specifically for these types of tasks. There isn't anything stopping you.No one's demanding that their PC be moved back and forth like paper. But I do want my gaming system to, and thats why I'd prefer to use a console. Is there a problem with wanting to transport a console. Is it morally wrong to move a game system and take it with you?
No, it can't. It can do it. But not to my standards. Sorry if you think they're too high, thats your problem.
You don't just transport the case, there are a lot of other wires associated with it, and its still impractical and uninvited in someone elses house.
You can, but its impractical. They can be made small, yes, but its all the extra setup thats the problem. Even turning the PC on and getting it running. Setting it up so that it works with their tv. Setting it up so that you can hookup the keyboard and everything else oh god, what a nightmare.
In my opinion, its a pain. I've moved computers around before. Its always a pain. Even if they were small, it'd still be a pain. It's not how big or heavy the system is that matters (although it can). Its the whole setup.
[QUOTE="hakanakumono"] According to your own personal opinion, based on negligble time sinks.OMG three extra cables, TEH HORROR! Look, you're making a whole lot ado about nothing. You're making a big freakign deal about three extra cables, two of which are not even required! Bend down and unplugs the cables from your 360 right now. It only takes a few seconds per cable. They are neglible down time. The sheer facts of the matter are that PCs CAN provide the same experience.It's not just one cable. It's also a mouse and a keyboard and the mess it looks like. I've had a PC in the living room in front of the TV before. What a disaster. Of course if I really wanted to I could build a PC from the ground and make it so that it sets up to the tv. Because after all it is possible.Vandalvideo
Consoles doing it better is nothing more than your opinion. You're more than welcome to your opinion, but the fact of the matter is that the PC can do the exact same tasks with negligble fuss.But the question is Why?Especially when consoles can do it better and I'd prefer to play on consoles because I'm more interested in console games.
I'm entitled to my opinion and preferences. It's not the time that matters to me, if you haven't noticed. Its the fact that the setup for PCs is really a mess imo. And again, remember, I'm entitled to that opinion. I'm allowed to have preferences just as you are.
Consoles have simpler setups and that is a FACT. You can dumb down your PC setup, but its still going to be more complicated to deal with than a console, even if its just "3 more cables."
Let's get this straight: PCs have more cables. Thats a fact.
Whether its negligable or not is an OPINION.
A negligble ammount of extra wires. After the initial set up you don't need to bring the keyboard and mouse with you anymore. I sure don't. When I'm transfering my PC to places I only need four cables; Video Cable Power Cable Controller Headphones Thats it. Nothing more, nothing less.You don't just transport the case, there are a lot of other wires associated with it, and its still impractical and uninvited in someone elses house.
Wrong, wrong, wrong. The PC automatically scales to the TV in question. There is no addititional set up required. You plug the PC into the TV and go. THats all you have to do. There is no extra set up required. You do not need to bring up the keyboard and mouse. And even if you wanted to, it takes all of twenty seconds.You can, but its impractical. They can be made small, yes, but its all the extra setup thats the problem. Even turning the PC on and getting it running. Setting it up so that it works with their tv. Setting it up so that you can hookup the keyboard and everything else oh god, what a nightmare.
You're complaining about an extra, negligble ammount of down time. Unless you have OCD, there really is no need to complain about such downtime. As someone who has a miniture case, regularly LAN games, and transports his rig with him everywhere it doesn't take a whole lot of effort. No more than a console would when all things are said and done.In my opinion, its a pain. I've moved computers around before. Its always a pain. Even if they were small, it'd still be a pain. It's not how big or heavy the system is that matters (although it can). Its the whole setup.
But it isn't 3 more cables. Like I said, it is normally just 1 or 2. You're choosing to make it more complicated than it has to be, and you're complaining about ONE OR TWO FREAKING EXTRA CABLES.Consoles have simpler setups and that is a FACT. You can dumb down your PC setup, but its still going to be more complicated to deal with than a console, even if its just "3 more cables."
Yes, it does. But not many, only one or two.Let's get this straight: PCs have more cables. Thats a fact.
Unless you have OCD, they aren't even that noticable. I travel around with my rig all the time and it takes up no more setup time and space than an average console would. Maybe 20 seconds more. YOu're complaining about twenty seconds.Whether its negligable or not is an OPINION.
First of all, you misinterpreted me, when I mentioned setup, I meant actually turning on the PC, doing stuff with it before playing the game (turning off background programs that start up etc). I'm sure it automatically works.
Second of all, I'd want to use my PC for a PC as well which would mean a keyboard and a mouse as well. Especially when all of the PC games I play would be a pain with a gamepad. I probably wouldn't even want to use a gamepad although I prefer the gamepad overall, simply because mouse and keyboard would be better for the games I'd be playing.
So thats 6.
But then when I wanted to use it for other funcitons than gaming, I'd rather move it to my desk. And often times I'd like to utilize the PC in the middle of playing a game if I need to do something.
Its personal preferences, but they're my preferences and I'm entitled to them.
I don't doubt its not a problem for you. It would be an unnecessary annoyance for me.
Mostly because playing games on a PC isn't worth it to me (the PC games I own take a backseat, and I only own about 4 of them).
You don't need a keyboard and mouse unless you really want to do a lot of typing. It isn't required by any stretch of the imagination once initial setup is over. I mean, sure there isn't universel support for gamepads, but spending a couple seconds putting up this third party program is a one time only deal, and never has to be done again. Not to mention resolution and surround sound settings are completely auto-detect nowadays. I mean when all is said and done you're only complaining about a few things that don't take very long and only require a one time set up. The only thing that is constantly changing is the extra cable you spend all of ten seconds unplugging. This is an option for people who want to take advantage of it. For people who enjoy couches, gamepads, and HDTVs. The mere fact that the option is there is more than enough, and the mere fact that it doesn't take long to set up is an even bigger plus. Thats why a lot of us big time PC gamers take advantage of it.VandalvideoOh give me a break. If you keep a pc in your living room you don't need a keyboard? What about multiplayer setup? Installing games? Applying patches? Game settings? System maintenance?
You also haven't addressed the local multiplayer issue. How many pc games allow two people to play locally? With the 360 you simply hold down the power button on the controller to add a player. Good lord is it that hard to admit that consoles make more sense in the living room?
I've played dozens of PC games with a gamepad. There hasn't been a single one that is difficult to play using a gamepad.Especially when all of the PC games I play would be a pain with a gamepad.
Again, I have personally played dozens of games using the gamepad for the PC. There are no problems with said games at all.I probably wouldn't even want to use a gamepad although I prefer the gamepad overall, simply because mouse and keyboard would be better for the games I'd be playing.
That is but an extraneous demand you're making on the platform itself. This is no longer a fair comparison itself. If you want to compare it with the consoles you should treat it like a video game device. Adding on extra demands isn't fair to the system itself.But then when I wanted to use it for other funcitons than gaming, I'd rather move it to my desk. And often times I'd like to utilize the PC in the middle of playing a game if I need to do something.
Oh give me a break. If you keep a pc in your living room you don't need a keyboard? What about multiplayer setup? Installing games? Applying patches? Game settings? System maintenance? dc337All of it can be done with a gamepad. All you need to do is assign the mouse axis to the analog stick and assign left and right click to the trigger buttons. No need for a keyboard.
No one has brought up the local multipalyer issue yet. If you want to take advantage of local multiplayer then get a freaking Wii. Localized multiplayer is getting rarer and rarer in games these days. Split screen coop is all but extinct now.You also haven't addressed the local multiplayer issue. How many pc games allow two people to play locally? With the 360 you simply hold down the power button on the controller to add a player. Good lord is it that hard to admit that consoles make more sense in the living room?
That improved longevity part I don't get, with a console you can play more new games without having to upgrade. Emaldon69Improved longevity comes from mods. (More game time) You also do not have to upgrade on the PC. I've had the same rig the entire generation and it can still play all the mdoern games.
[QUOTE="Emaldon69"]That improved longevity part I don't get, with a console you can play more new games without having to upgrade. VandalvideoImproved longevity comes from mods. (More game time) You also do not have to upgrade on the PC. I've had the same rig the entire generation and it can still play all the mdoern games.
Tell where to find the mods that aren't complete crap. Nevermind, I like new games instead.
And lol at playing with low settings, you'd have a better time playing on a 360.
Improved longevity comes from mods. (More game time) You also do not have to upgrade on the PC. I've had the same rig the entire generation and it can still play all the mdoern games.[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Emaldon69"]That improved longevity part I don't get, with a console you can play more new games without having to upgrade. Emaldon69
Tell where to find the mods that aren't complete crap. Nevermind, I like new games instead.
And lol at playing with low settings, you'd have a better time playing on a 360.
Shell 60 dollars for a new game, or get a conversion mod that is possibly more fun than that 60 dollar gameTell where to find the mods that aren't complete crap. Nevermind, I like new games instead. Emaldon69And the PC has the most highly rated titles. Improved longevity is a plus for games.
I can play Crysis on medium-high, far surpassinga nything the 360 can provide. :|And lol at playing with low settings, you'd have a better time playing on a 360.
Thats something entirely different. Thats the longetivity of a game, as opposed to how long you can buy high end games for your system and have them play perfectly. hakanakumonoAnd thats what I was talking about when I posted that. Improved longevity of games. Crysis is the most technologically advanced game currently on the market, and I havent had to upgarde since the start of the generation, and I don't see anything on the horizon that will require an upgrade.
[QUOTE="Emaldon69"]Tell where to find the mods that aren't complete crap. Nevermind, I like new games instead. VandalvideoAnd the PC has the most highly rated titles. Improved longevity is a plus for games.
I can play Crysis on medium-high, far surpassinga nything the 360 can provide. :|And lol at playing with low settings, you'd have a better time playing on a 360.
But you have to upgrade your PC to play them, thats not a comeback.
There are things consoles do better than PCs, because they are naturally adapted to doing them. It's becoming increasingly clear with the points consolites are bringing up.
But you have to upgrade your PC to play them, thats not a comeback.hakanakumonoNo you most certainly do not. I purchased my rig at the beginning of the generation and it plays all modern games at relatively high settings far surpassing anything on consoles with nothing on the horizon which would require an upgrade. Upgrading is NOT a requirement.
[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]But you have to upgrade your PC to play them, thats not a comeback.VandalvideoNo you most certainly do not. I purchased my rig at the beginning of the generation and it plays all modern games at relatively high settings far surpassing anything on consoles with nothing on the horizon which would require an upgrade. Upgrading is NOT a requirement.
How much money did you spend on your PC then?
How much money did you spend on your PC then? hakanakumonoAt the start of the generation ( when the 360 came out) my rig cost me about 720 bucks or so. 7900gs PentiumD945 2gigs of ram.
http://www.moddb.com/mods/dystopia That's the best mod I've ever played. It's equivalent to a full-release title and better than a lot of retail games. I'd rather play it than Halo, that's for damn sure. "But you have to upgrade your PC to play them, thats not a comeback." You have to upgrade your console every five years (in the case of the Xbox, 4) or they STOP MAKING GAMES FOR IT. You have have to upgrade your PC to play anything, unless it's so far beyond what your PC is capable of handling that it can't even run it at 640x480 with 0xAA 0xAF and the lowest texture or graphics settings available. Which is, um....almost never the case. And even if it is, a PC upgrade is often cheaper than a console upgrade solely for the fact that it's incremental and often vastly superior in terms of being a performance upgrade.But you have to upgrade your PC to play them, thats not a comeback.
There are definite reasons why console gaming is superior to PC gaming, you just refuse to acknowledge them and the others active in this thread can see that.
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There is another issue that isn't been addressed: If you play a pc game that wasn't designed around the controller you are likely to have balance issues. This is because for most pc exclusives the developers made the game under the assumption that you would be playing it with a full keyboard and optical mouse. You will also be at a disadvantage if you play a game online where everyone else has a keyboard and mouse.
I was curious to see if the witcher could be played with a controller.
Turns out the box says you can but you actually can't.
http://www.ataricommunity.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9697264.
PC gaming is not designed around the controller. It really is not the best choice for the living room.
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