Question to PC gamers.

[QUOTE="AirGuitarist87"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

And just for some extra ownage, check out this expensive pc!

:lol:

GTR2addict

:shock: Holy crap!

[QUOTE="jasonheyman"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

And just for some extra ownage, check out this expensive pc!

:lol:

millerlight89

Where was the Operating System for it? They suggested Windows so that is another 100 to 150 dollars right there alone :shock:

Good try?? lol

The site recommended two Operating Systems. It doesn't come with it and I just gave links of the real price of Windows Vista and Windows XP Pro, So I should say good try to the 65 dollars :roll: Maybe for regular Windows XP but the site did not recommend it for that rig :)

Maybe for regular Windows XP but the site did not recommend it for that rig :)jasonheyman

[QUOTE="jasonheyman"] Maybe for regular Windows XP but the site did not recommend it for that rig :)Vandalvideo

Why would I do that if they pre-built it and recommended two other Operating Systems? Wouldn't they know best?

[QUOTE="millerlight89"][QUOTE="jasonheyman"]

Where was the Operating System for it? They suggested Windows so that is another 100 to 150 dollars right there alone :shock:

jasonheyman

Good try?? lol

The site recommended two Operating Systems. It doesn't come with it and I just gave links of the real price of Windows Vista and Windows XP Pro, So I should say good try to the 65 dollars :roll: Maybe for regular Windows XP but the site did not recommend it for that rig :)

There's more than windows out there.

And some cool people out on the internets are making an awesome thing called ReactOS

http://www.reactos.org/en/index.html

It's not a linux distro.

It's technically windows, but it's free and 100% legal :D

Why would I do that if they pre-built it and recommended two other Operating Systems? Wouldn't they know best?jasonheyman

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="jasonheyman"] Maybe for regular Windows XP but the site did not recommend it for that rig :)jasonheyman

Why would I do that if they pre-built it and recommended two other Operating Systems? Wouldn't they know best?

They don't know best.

But they do know how to make a few more bucks.

But really, you should just stop trying, each time you try you fail

[QUOTE="jasonheyman"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] :| So? Just use regular XP.swazidoughman

Why would I do that if they pre-built it and recommended two other Operating Systems? Wouldn't they know best?

They don't know best.

But they do know how to make a few more bucks.

But really, you should just stop trying, each time you try you fail

I fail? Oh really! No a rig was posted with no OS and the two the site suggested I gave links to the price of the OS. What fails is how everything is made out to be so cheap lol it is really funny actually.

[QUOTE="jasonheyman"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] :| So? Just use regular XP.swazidoughman

Why would I do that if they pre-built it and recommended two other Operating Systems? Wouldn't they know best?

They don't know best.

But they do know how to make a few more bucks.

But really, you should just stop trying, each time you try you fail

[QUOTE="Killfox"][QUOTE="jasonheyman"]

Yeah well I live in the US were console gaming is more popular. And piracy in other countries almost double outside of the US, nice little tid bit to add there. So And please explain how consoles are more expensive then PC gaming in other countries?

AirGuitarist87

[QUOTE="swazidoughman"][QUOTE="jasonheyman"]

Why would I do that if they pre-built it and recommended two other Operating Systems? Wouldn't they know best?

jasonheyman

They don't know best.

But they do know how to make a few more bucks.

But really, you should just stop trying, each time you try you fail

I fail? Oh really! No a rig was posted with no OS and the two the site suggested I gave links to the price of the OS. What fails is how everything is made out to be so cheap lol it is really funny actually.

[QUOTE="jasonheyman"][QUOTE="swazidoughman"]

They don't know best.

But they do know how to make a few more bucks.

But really, you should just stop trying, each time you try you fail

GTR2addict

I fail? Oh really! No a rig was posted with no OS and the two the site suggested I gave links to the price of the OS. What fails is how everything is made out to be so cheap lol it is really funny actually.

Here's a nice big long list of alternatives to windows.

Most of them are free

http://www.linux.org/dist/list.html

PC gamers generally don't have a clue about other gamers. hakanakumono

That would be discriminating against PC as a platform in favour of console only comparisons, you cannot exclude PC simply because it does things differently.AnnoyedDragon

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]PC gamers generally don't have a clue about other gamers. GTR2addict

Okay.

PC gamers generally don't have a clue about other gamers.

Personally, as a "consolite" I really have no interest in the majority of PC games. Crysis may technically be superior to the consoles, and the jungle scenes do look great, but the characters look bad and I'm not interested in shooters or the majority of western games.

They can have their technical feats, but I think many console games just look better than the high end PC games. Having amazing graphics is pointless if your art direction is poor.

hakanakumono

"PC gamers generally don't have a clue about other gamers."

If anything we know more about games then console users.

"and the jungle scenes do look great, but the characters look bad "

I know you haven't played Crysis if you think the character models look bad.

"I'm not interested in shooters or the majority of western games."

So all you play is JRPGs then?

"but I think many console games just look better than the high end PC games"

yet do you have a high end gaming rig? How would you know if you never played on one?

"Having amazing graphics is pointless if your art direction is poor."

So you judged many PC games saying they have no art direction yet you never played them:roll:

The one source is wikipedia which is far from being legit. Plus there were no real good sources where these people got there information from. The russia source is not even about games. Were talking about games not movies. Im not denying piracy is a big deal for Pc games but those two sources are not very good and do not pertain to what I was talking about.Killfox

[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]That would be discriminating against PC as a platform in favour of console only comparisons, you cannot exclude PC simply because it does things differently.lowe0

I think there has been a bit of confusion.

He was criticising whether games like Crysis should represent PC since lower graphic games are the most popular, my response was regarding not excluding PC's best looking games from comparison just because it handles hardware differently.

Our discussion is not related to the main subject.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

PC gamers generally don't have a clue about other gamers.

Personally, as a "consolite" I really have no interest in the majority of PC games. Crysis may technically be superior to the consoles, and the jungle scenes do look great, but the characters look bad and I'm not interested in shooters or the majority of western games.

They can have their technical feats, but I think many console games just look better than the high end PC games. Having amazing graphics is pointless if your art direction is poor.

JangoWuzHere

"PC gamers generally don't have a clue about other gamers."

If anything we know more about games then console users.

"and the jungle scenes do look great, but the characters look bad "

I know you haven't played Crysis if you think the character models look bad.

"I'm not interested in shooters or the majority of western games."

So all you play is JRPGs then?

"but I think many console games just look better than the high end PC games"

yet do you have a high end gaming rig? How would you know if you never played on one?

"Having amazing graphics is pointless if your art direction is poor."

So you judged many PC games saying they have no art direction yet you never played them:roll:

If anything we know more about games then console users.

How so? In what way?

I know you haven't played Crysis if you think the character models look bad.

I'll give you that.

So all you play is JRPGs then?

I mostly play Survival Horror games and JRPGs. Survival horror is a dying genre though. Of course thats not all my library is limited to. I do own a few (old) pc games as well. To be honest I'm not really that excited in this gen, but I know I can get more out of a console than a high end gaming computer.

yet do you have a high end gaming rig? How would you know if you never played on one?

I suppose this is where you're going to tell me that I don't undestand unless I see it in person. I've seen pictures. I guess that doesn't count. I'm mainly thinking about art direction. Of course, this also has a lot to do with the fact that I generally prefer Japanese aesthetics over western ones. All I really have is the laptop I'm typing on, and I don't really want a desktop PC ever again.

So you judged many PC games saying they have no art direction yet you never played them:roll:

A picture is worth a thousand words.

PC Gaming is less mainstream, so many console gamers are blind to the advantages of PC gaming. A large portion of gamers possibly have little idea that PC gaming even exists. If you you really enjoy gaming, you owe it to yourself to give PC gaming a go. I find it much, much, MUCH superior to console gaming for reasons you can't even argue.GodLovesDead

Anyways I am one of those people that ditched pc gaming for the 360. Why?

Too many multiplats come to the pc delayed and/or buggy. Even worse is that many pc exclusives are hyped for years and arrive as public betas (gothic 3, stalker). That and there is too much focus on MMORPG/RTS. Oh and don't forget the joy of having to upgrade your 2 year old hardware for a single game. The nice thing about consoles is that new games are optimized for your hardware, not bleeding edge hardware.

I may build a new gaming pc for DOWII, but I doubt it. I still have quite a few JRPGs on the 360 to go through. PC gaming is highly overrated, especially if you don't care about playing online.

[QUOTE="Dante2710"]never say never without giving it a try, and people here are too much of a fanboy to admit they enjoy playing anything besides on their little consoleRyanShazam

I play World of Warcraft and if I could play that on a console i would. I've been to gaming cafes and played counter strike and didn't enjoy myself. Me not liking PC gaming isnt the point of the thread though.

you make it sound like pc gaming has a different feel than console gaming. :?

PC Gaming is less mainstream, so many console gamers are blind to the advantages of PC gaming. A large portion of gamers possibly have little idea that PC gaming even exists. If you you really enjoy gaming, you owe it to yourself to give PC gaming a go. I find it much, much, MUCH superior to console gaming for reasons you can't even argue.GodLovesDead

I have the money to buy a gaming PC but i just don't care about gaming on a computer.

RyanShazam

I'm confused. You can plug an Xbox 360 controller into your PC, play many titles that are available to both PC and 360, but the PC has better graphics over the same title available on the 360, etc, and you claim you just don't care about gaming on a computer?

What am i missing?

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]

I have the money to buy a gaming PC but i just don't care about gaming on a computer.

Subcritical

I'm confused. You can plug an Xbox 360 controller into your PC, play many titles that are available to both PC and 360, but the PC has better graphics over the same title available on the 360, etc, and you claim you just don't care about gaming on a computer?

What am i missing?

Consoles are more convenient. Not everyone wants to spend time adding hardware, installing, updating, patching, etc.

Consoles are better for couch gaming. Most people don't want to play games at a desk. Though a pc can be hooked up to an hdtv this is impractical for most people.

The 360 arcade is only $200.

Consoles have rentals and a better selection of used games.

So yes there are plenty of reasons to not build a gaming pc. Money isn't an issue for me either and I don't bother with pc gaming anymore except for a few games on my laptop.

the problem with pc gaming for most of us console gamers is the price and the requirements, patches,software, and all that. Seriously i used to like pc gaming, but i ditched it because i cant fix a pc at all so if anything ever happens im screwed. Seriously the computer im using dosent even have sound on youtube( and some other sites) so i use my ps3 web browser. Thats why pc gaming isnt as popular as console gamingThessassin

Awesome logic.

[QUOTE="Thessassin"]the problem with pc gaming for most of us console gamers is the price and the requirements, patches,software, and all that. Seriously i used to like pc gaming, but i ditched it because i cant fix a pc at all so if anything ever happens im screwed. Seriously the computer im using dosent even have sound on youtube( and some other sites) so i use my ps3 web browser. Thats why pc gaming isnt as popular as console gamingbladeeagle

Awesome logic.

He started off by explaining why PC gaming can be a pain, and gave a personal example of how PCs can be difficult to deal with. He listed other reasons before it.

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]

I have the money to buy a gaming PC but i just don't care about gaming on a computer.

Subcritical

I'm confused. You can plug an Xbox 360 controller into your PC, play many titles that are available to both PC and 360, but the PC has better graphics over the same title available on the 360, etc, and you claim you just don't care about gaming on a computer?

What am i missing?

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"][QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

PC gamers generally don't have a clue about other gamers.

Personally, as a "consolite" I really have no interest in the majority of PC games. Crysis may technically be superior to the consoles, and the jungle scenes do look great, but the characters look bad and I'm not interested in shooters or the majority of western games.

They can have their technical feats, but I think many console games just look better than the high end PC games. Having amazing graphics is pointless if your art direction is poor.

hakanakumono

"PC gamers generally don't have a clue about other gamers."

If anything we know more about games then console users.

"and the jungle scenes do look great, but the characters look bad "

I know you haven't played Crysis if you think the character models look bad.

"I'm not interested in shooters or the majority of western games."

So all you play is JRPGs then?

"but I think many console games just look better than the high end PC games"

yet do you have a high end gaming rig? How would you know if you never played on one?

"Having amazing graphics is pointless if your art direction is poor."

So you judged many PC games saying they have no art direction yet you never played them:roll:

If anything we know more about games then console users.

How so? In what way?

I know you haven't played Crysis if you think the character models look bad.

I'll give you that.

So all you play is JRPGs then?

I mostly play Survival Horror games and JRPGs. Survival horror is a dying genre though. Of course thats not all my library is limited to. I do own a few (old) pc games as well. To be honest I'm not really that excited in this gen, but I know I can get more out of a console than a high end gaming computer.

yet do you have a high end gaming rig? How would you know if you never played on one?

I suppose this is where you're going to tell me that I don't undestand unless I see it in person. I've seen pictures. I guess that doesn't count. I'm mainly thinking about art direction. Of course, this also has a lot to do with the fact that I generally prefer Japanese aesthetics over western ones. All I really have is the laptop I'm typing on, and I don't really want a desktop PC ever again.

So you judged many PC games saying they have no art direction yet you never played them:roll:

A picture is worth a thousand words.

How so? In what way?

Not awnsering that because you have to awnser this first "PC gamers generally don't have a clue about other gamers." explain

I mostly play Survival Horror games and JRPGs. Survival horror is a dying genre though. Of course thats not all my library is limited to. I do own a few (old) pc games as well. To be honest I'm not really that excited in this gen, but I know I can get more out of a console than a high end gaming computer.

JRPG's are not a genre themselfs and Survival Horror is pretty much dead. I know I can get more out of my PC then all 3 consoles this gen.

I suppose this is where you're going to tell me that I don't undestand unless I see it in person. I've seen pictures. I guess that doesn't count. I'm mainly thinking about art direction. Of course, this also has a lot to do with the fact that I generally prefer Japanese aesthetics over western ones. All I really have is the laptop I'm typing on, and I don't really want a desktop PC ever again.

I still want you to list that PC games don't have an Art Direction. They don't have a japanease art direction which is all preference.

A picture is worth a thousand words.

Again playing is better then seeing if you are talking about games. You cannot judge Crysis without playing it really. Because the art direction in Crysis is pretty nice I must say.

[QUOTE="Subcritical"][QUOTE="RyanShazam"]

I have the money to buy a gaming PC but i just don't care about gaming on a computer.

hakanakumono

I'm confused. You can plug an Xbox 360 controller into your PC, play many titles that are available to both PC and 360, but the PC has better graphics over the same title available on the 360, etc, and you claim you just don't care about gaming on a computer?

What am i missing?

PCs are impractical when it comes to playing games in a comfortable setting (i mean by hooking up to a tv), and moving around your system.

So your going to bring up that stupid arguement Couch > Chair are you? You know nothing about PC games so I don't see why you have any right to judge them unless you played them.

Which is why you have UT 3, Bioshock, C&C 3, Condemend, and Mass Effect? For not giving a crap about PC gaming you own an awful lot of titles that are better on a PC.

So no, its not that you dont give a crap, since its obvious you enjoy the games it has to offer, you just choose not to buy it for the PC. Probably because of ignorance (im going to assume its the lame and fallacious "couch" argument that you have).

XaosII

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"][QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

"PC gamers generally don't have a clue about other gamers."

If anything we know more about games then console users.

"and the jungle scenes do look great, but the characters look bad "

I know you haven't played Crysis if you think the character models look bad.

"I'm not interested in shooters or the majority of western games."

So all you play is JRPGs then?

"but I think many console games just look better than the high end PC games"

yet do you have a high end gaming rig? How would you know if you never played on one?

"Having amazing graphics is pointless if your art direction is poor."

So you judged many PC games saying they have no art direction yet you never played them:roll:

JangoWuzHere

If anything we know more about games then console users.

How so? In what way?

I know you haven't played Crysis if you think the character models look bad.

I'll give you that.

So all you play is JRPGs then?

I mostly play Survival Horror games and JRPGs. Survival horror is a dying genre though. Of course thats not all my library is limited to. I do own a few (old) pc games as well. To be honest I'm not really that excited in this gen, but I know I can get more out of a console than a high end gaming computer.

yet do you have a high end gaming rig? How would you know if you never played on one?

I suppose this is where you're going to tell me that I don't undestand unless I see it in person. I've seen pictures. I guess that doesn't count. I'm mainly thinking about art direction. Of course, this also has a lot to do with the fact that I generally prefer Japanese aesthetics over western ones. All I really have is the laptop I'm typing on, and I don't really want a desktop PC ever again.

So you judged many PC games saying they have no art direction yet you never played them:roll:

A picture is worth a thousand words.

How so? In what way?

Not awnsering that because you have to awnser this first "PC gamers generally don't have a clue about other gamers." explain

I mostly play Survival Horror games and JRPGs. Survival horror is a dying genre though. Of course thats not all my library is limited to. I do own a few (old) pc games as well. To be honest I'm not really that excited in this gen, but I know I can get more out of a console than a high end gaming computer.

JRPG's are not a genre themselfs and Survival Horror is pretty much dead. I know I can get more out of my PC then all 3 consoles this gen.

I suppose this is where you're going to tell me that I don't undestand unless I see it in person. I've seen pictures. I guess that doesn't count. I'm mainly thinking about art direction. Of course, this also has a lot to do with the fact that I generally prefer Japanese aesthetics over western ones. All I really have is the laptop I'm typing on, and I don't really want a desktop PC ever again.

I still want you to list that PC games don't have an Art Direction. They don't have a japanease art direction which is all preference.

A picture is worth a thousand words.

Again playing is better then seeing if you are talking about games. You cannot judge Crysis without playing it really. Because the art direction in Crysis is pretty nice I must say.

Not awnsering that because you have to awnser this first "PC gamers generally don't have a clue about other gamers." explain

Okay. PC gamers don't understand that many games people are interested are simply not released on PC. Especially JRPGs. ;) (Ironically my first JRPG was on PC).

JRPG's are not a genre themselfs and Survival Horror is pretty much dead. I know I can get more out of my PC then all 3 consoles this gen.

Yes they are. JRPGs are JRPGs. What do you call games like Final Fantasy then? For lack of your preferred classification, I like JRPGs. Survival Horror is still my favorite genre, and sony may continue to release the Siren series.

You can get more out of your PC than all 3 consoles because the games you like are on PC. But honestly, the games I'm interested in this gen will not be PC. Remember this is about me, not you. If you're going to sell PC gaming as superior to console gaming, you can't discredit the games that people like to play.

yet do you have a high end gaming rig? How would you know if you never played on one?

Easy. I'm simply more interested in the games that come out for consoles than on PC. Of course I don't have a high end gaming rig, I never have. If I can't find the games I like on PC, then why should I invest in a PC?

So you judged many PC games saying they have no art direction yet you never played them:roll:

I didn't say they had no art direction, I said I don't like it. It's easy to see what a game looks like. Just find a screenshot or better, a movie of the game in action. I'll give you the fact that some games look better in motion, and maybe Crysis characters in motion are better than they look in the screenshots. But in the end I could really care LESS about a game like Crysis.

PCs are impractical when it comes to playing games in a comfortable setting (i mean by hooking up to a tv), and moving around your system. hakanakumono

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"][QUOTE="Subcritical"]

I'm confused. You can plug an Xbox 360 controller into your PC, play many titles that are available to both PC and 360, but the PC has better graphics over the same title available on the 360, etc, and you claim you just don't care about gaming on a computer?

What am i missing?

JangoWuzHere

PCs are impractical when it comes to playing games in a comfortable setting (i mean by hooking up to a tv), and moving around your system.

So your going to bring up that stupid arguement Couch > Chair are you? You know nothing about PC games so I don't see why you have any right to judge them unless you played them.

Couch is not better than chair. It's a matter of personal preference. I usually play sitting on my bed. But I do prefer it to sitting in my chair on the PC.

But more options is better. Couch + Chair > Chair. And with consoles, its much easier to have options.

What are you talking about? I don't deny that many PC games are simply amazing. The PC is, of course, graphically superior to the consoles because its not based on dated technology like the consoles. It's not that I'm judging PC games as much as I'm just uninterested in them.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]PCs are impractical when it comes to playing games in a comfortable setting (i mean by hooking up to a tv), and moving around your system. Vandalvideo

I'm aware of this. But consoles are naturally made to hook up to tvs with ease. Just plug in the power, controller, and video cables and your'e good to go.

Even with a smaller case, You still have to have a place to set up the mouse and keyboard to start up and/or play the game right? I mean, PCs are not consoles. Playing them like consoles is a use that PCs are not meant for.

Not to mention the fact that building a PC is not something I would even know where to begin with. Of course I could look it up online, but why? To be honest, I never really want to buy anything other than a laptop again. I love how easy it is to move around and how small it is compared to the PC. Of course, you can't really upgrade a laptop graphics card can you?

I'm aware of this. But consoles are naturally made to hook up to tvs with ease. Just plug in the power, controller, and video cables and your'e good to go.Even with a smaller case, You still have to have a place to set up the mouse and keyboard to start up and/or play the game right? I mean, PCs are not consoles. Playing them like consoles is a use that PCs are not meant for. Not to mention the fact that building a PC is not something I would even know where to begin with. Of course I could look it up online, but why? To be honest, I never really want to buy anything other than a laptop again. I love how easy it is to move around and how small it is compared to the PC. Of course, you can't really upgrade a laptop graphics card can you? hakanakumono

[QUOTE="DonPerian"] Who says it's better? Sure, maybe in the graphical department. Yet, for me, having the comfortable controller on my comfortable couch sitting at a comfortable distance from my 40 inch HDTV = better gaming experience. I understand what you're going at, but you can't really say something for certain when it's a subjective matter.Vandalvideo

But why? Aren't most PC games better suited to the mouse and keyboard?

A very important factor for me is how clean the environment I'm playing in. I like to keep my room and living room clean. I like consoles without wierse or mess. I don't want to have to fiddle with the PC before I play it on the TV.

And in the end, even though it is possible to use PCs with a TV, thats not really the way they were meant to be used. You have to have an extra technical knowledge to get PCs to have a set up even remotely like a console. And why bother? I'm always going to prefer console games over PC games and I'm always going to prefer playing on consoles over PCs.

Of course there are games I'd rather play on PCs. Games like Sim City or Star Craft I'd imagine would be a nightmare on console (I've played Sim City 2000 on psx and it was awful). And once in a while I might pick these games up, but really they're only worth it to me if I can put them on my laptop without buying a new one.

But why? Aren't most PC games better suited to the mouse and keyboard?A very important factor for me is how clean the environment I'm playing in. I like to keep my room and living room clean. I like consoles without wierse or mess. I don't want to have to fiddle with the PC before I play it on the TV. And in the end, even though it is possible to use PCs with a TV, thats not really the way they were meant to be used. You have to have an extra technical knowledge to get PCs to have a set up even remotely like a console. And why bother? I'm always going to prefer console games over PC games and I'm always going to prefer playing on consoles over PCs. hakanakumono

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]I'm aware of this. But consoles are naturally made to hook up to tvs with ease. Just plug in the power, controller, and video cables and your'e good to go.Even with a smaller case, You still have to have a place to set up the mouse and keyboard to start up and/or play the game right? I mean, PCs are not consoles. Playing them like consoles is a use that PCs are not meant for. Not to mention the fact that building a PC is not something I would even know where to begin with. Of course I could look it up online, but why? To be honest, I never really want to buy anything other than a laptop again. I love how easy it is to move around and how small it is compared to the PC. Of course, you can't really upgrade a laptop graphics card can you? Vandalvideo

Only 4 cables? Thats quite a few. ._.;;;

I still live at home, and I'm having trouble finding a job right now (college student). My family isn't very well off and we don't own very high end TVs but I still prefer playing on them. I'm not even sure I could hook up a PC to my TVs they're so basic. ._.;; Not that I care. Consoles work fine on them.

I don't doubt that once you have the necessary cables, and providing the cables are compatable with both ends, hook up wouldn't be difficult. But I do doubt it wouldn't look terrible, I doubt it would be easy to set up and take down quickly, I'm fairly certain you cant simply use your PC just like a console (pop in and play, controller in hand), and not have to use a keyboard or mouse at some point when using the PC.

And in the end, it would hardly be worth it for me and many other gamers. Console gamers who choose not to play on PC probably don't want to deal with all of that. It's just not worthwhile to them.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]But why? Aren't most PC games better suited to the mouse and keyboard?A very important factor for me is how clean the environment I'm playing in. I like to keep my room and living room clean. I like consoles without wierse or mess. I don't want to have to fiddle with the PC before I play it on the TV. And in the end, even though it is possible to use PCs with a TV, thats not really the way they were meant to be used. You have to have an extra technical knowledge to get PCs to have a set up even remotely like a console. And why bother? I'm always going to prefer console games over PC games and I'm always going to prefer playing on consoles over PCs. Vandalvideo