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#101 deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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[QUOTE="Puckhog04"]

We PC gamers really don't care about console games either. Goes both ways there sonny.

Simple fact is that this is System Wars. We have as much right to comment about anything as everyone else. Don't like it? Go and cry in a corner.

jasonheyman

Yet in your sig you have an XBL named account

As well as a PSN account :shock:

Oh the irony!

You mean we can own more than one platform? :shock:

Hallelujah!

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#102 Vandalvideo
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and vandal, what's your specs? Iheartrpgsalot
A 7900GS (Discontinued), 2 gigs of ram DDR2, and a Pentium D945 (slightly less powerful than an E6300)
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Iheartrpgsalot"] What the crap? You have no idea. A rig that could just max out farcry can barely even touch crysis. And crysis definately isnt the most demanding gameKillfox
Crysis is easily the most demanding game currently on the market. I have a fairly modest rig; 2 gigs ddr 2 ram, a 7900GS, and a pentium D945. From all accounts, this rig isn't all that. But it can run Crysis at high-medium settings at 35FPS constant.

Most demanding game to this day is still company of heroes. Just look at benchmarks of this game. Its very suprising.

Really? I always thought World in Conflict was the most demanding. :?

I would love to see consoles emulate that game on High at 720p. ;)

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#104 Killfox
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[QUOTE="Killfox"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Crysis is easily the most demanding game currently on the market. I have a fairly modest rig; 2 gigs ddr 2 ram, a 7900GS, and a pentium D945. From all accounts, this rig isn't all that. But it can run Crysis at high-medium settings at 35FPS constant.Aljosa23

Most demanding game to this day is still company of heroes. Just look at benchmarks of this game. Its very suprising.

Really? I always thought World in Conflict was the most demanding. :?

I would love to see consoles emulate that game on High at 720p. ;)

Wait you maybe right. Maybe Im getting confused. *goes and checks*
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#105 jasonheyman
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[QUOTE="jasonheyman"][QUOTE="Puckhog04"]

We PC gamers really don't care about console games either. Goes both ways there sonny.

Simple fact is that this is System Wars. We have as much right to comment about anything as everyone else. Don't like it? Go and cry in a corner.

Aljosa23

Yet in your sig you have an XBL named account

As well as a PSN account :shock:

Oh the irony!

You mean we can own more than one platform? :shock:

Hallelujah!

That wasn't the point! It was said that PC gamers didn't care about console games yet almost all own consoles with their PC and for what? The Games :shock: lol

Did you even read the post?

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#106 AirGuitarist87
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="AirGuitarist87"] As markop2003 said, they are bottle necked by cheap graphics cards which was the case of my Acer, which had a 2.6Ghz Dual Core and 2GB of RAM. The processor is actually better than the one I have in my current gaming pc. Most PC shops don't sell dedicated gaming rigs, though, which is the point we're making. You said before that any modern PC could run games, which isn't the case. Of course gaming rigs will, as that's how they're advertised.

I don't think you can call a rig with an integrated graphics card a modern gaming rig, and I don't think a 8400 would bottle neck enough to make games unplayable. Especially when my rig, much less fantastic, can run ALL modern game. All modern gaming rigs can run all modern games. Those are facts.

Modern PC =/= Gaming Rig. You didn't mention gaming rigs until recently. I admit that most gaming rigs WILL run games, however "run" is subjective. It could mean barely meeting the minimum requirements or it could mean getting a decent stable framerate at low settings.
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#107 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="AirGuitarist87"] Modern PC =/= Gaming Rig. You didn't mention gaming rigs until recently. I admit that most gaming rigs WILL run games, however "run" is subjective. It could mean barely meeting the minimum requirements or it could mean getting a decent stable framerate at low settings.

I EXPLICITLY said a MODERN GAMING RIG. Try reading my posts next time: "I mean any modern gaming rig out that has come out since the 360 can play any modern PC game" Page 4, Vandal's first post. And running qua running. You would need a dirt old PC gaming rig not to play modern games on around meidum settings.
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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"][QUOTE="jasonheyman"]

Yet in your sig you have an XBL named account

As well as a PSN account :shock:

Oh the irony!

jasonheyman

You mean we can own more than one platform? :shock:

Hallelujah!

That wasn't the point! It was said that PC gamers didn't care about console games yet almost all own consoles with their PC and for what? The Games :shock: lol

Did you even read the post?

So because one dude say it, all PC gamers don't care about console games. :?
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#109 markop2003
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[QUOTE="AirGuitarist87"] As markop2003 said, they are bottle necked by cheap graphics cards which was the case of my Acer, which had a 2.6Ghz Dual Core and 2GB of RAM. The processor is actually better than the one I have in my current gaming pc. Most PC shops don't sell dedicated gaming rigs, though, which is the point we're making. You said before that any modern PC could run games, which isn't the case. Of course gaming rigs will, as that's how they're advertised.Vandalvideo
I don't think you can call a rig with an integrated graphics card a modern gaming rig, and I don't think a 8400 would bottle neck enough to make games unplayable. Especially when my rig, much less fantastic, can run ALL modern game. All modern gaming rigs can run all modern games. Those are facts.

Thing is most shops sell PCs not gaming rigs and the gaming rigs that are sold off the shelf are highly overpriced for no real reason
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#110 millerlight89
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Yes it is a preference to be lazy and ignorant not to build your own when you can get much better gear for a cheaper price.
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#111 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="markop2003"] Thing is most shops sell PCs not gaming rigs and the gaming rigs that are sold off the shelf are highly overpriced for no real reason

Well thats your fault for buying a media center PC and expecting it to play games. I don't buy a DVD player and expect it to play 360 games now do I?
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#112 Killfox
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[QUOTE="Killfox"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Crysis is easily the most demanding game currently on the market. I have a fairly modest rig; 2 gigs ddr 2 ram, a 7900GS, and a pentium D945. From all accounts, this rig isn't all that. But it can run Crysis at high-medium settings at 35FPS constant.Aljosa23

Most demanding game to this day is still company of heroes. Just look at benchmarks of this game. Its very suprising.

Really? I always thought World in Conflict was the most demanding. :?

I would love to see consoles emulate that game on High at 720p. ;)

Yeah im pretty sure your right. I cant really find any benchmarks for it with the DX10 features and modern cards but I think your right. I to would like to see it emulate that. It more than likely would get like 8 FPS on average.
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#113 markop2003
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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"][QUOTE="jasonheyman"]

Yet in your sig you have an XBL named account

As well as a PSN account :shock:

Oh the irony!

jasonheyman

You mean we can own more than one platform? :shock:

Hallelujah!

That wasn't the point! It was said that PC gamers didn't care about console games yet almost all own consoles with their PC and for what? The Games :shock: lol

Did you even read the post?

That's actually very untrue, PCs are most popular in countries where the general populance can't afford consoles ie Russia
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="markop2003"] Thing is most shops sell PCs not gaming rigs and the gaming rigs that are sold off the shelf are highly overpriced for no real reason

Well thats your fault for buying a media center PC and expecting it to play games. I don't buy a DVD player and expect it to play 360 games now do I?

Aaah, the Fundamental Attribution Error, hard at work. :P People who buy PCs from shops don't base the gaming capabilities on it's specs, they base it on it's price. Can't blame them for thinking an expensive PC will be able to play games.
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#115 deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="Killfox"] Most demanding game to this day is still company of heroes. Just look at benchmarks of this game. Its very suprising.Killfox

Really? I always thought World in Conflict was the most demanding. :?

I would love to see consoles emulate that game on High at 720p. ;)

Yeah im pretty sure your right. I cant really find any benchmarks for it with the DX10 features and modern cards but I think your right. I to would like to see it emulate that. It more than likely would get like 8 FPS on average.

IMO it doesn't look THAT great but all the stuff going on at one time is amazing.

Aljosa23's first experience with an explosion = :shock:

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#116 AirGuitarist87
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="AirGuitarist87"] Modern PC =/= Gaming Rig. You didn't mention gaming rigs until recently. I admit that most gaming rigs WILL run games, however "run" is subjective. It could mean barely meeting the minimum requirements or it could mean getting a decent stable framerate at low settings.

I EXPLICITLY said a MODERN GAMING RIG. Try reading my posts next time: "I mean any modern gaming rig out that has come out since the 360 can play any modern PC game" Page 4, Vandal's first post. And running qua running. You would need a dirt old PC gaming rig not to play modern games on around meidum settings.

I read from your reply to markop2003, stop being so touchy.
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I understand that. What my initial statement was is that because of this, it suffers. The graphics you see are of your most played games. Using a one off which pc gaming is huge on (fear was, HL was at the time, crysis, etc.) isn't a good judging factor. I don't know how else to put this: the best pc games suck graphically. Why should the best graphics be used to determine a platform? It should be the medium range/ most played games.

Iheartrpgsalot

When comparing platform capabilities console users don't throw their average titles at each other; they show the best their platform has to offer. Why is PC doing the same so wrong? Just because its hardware specification varies?

That would be discriminating against PC as a platform in favour of console only comparisons, you cannot exclude PC simply because it does things differently.

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#118 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="AirGuitarist87"] Aaah, the Fundamental Attribution Error, hard at work. :P People who buy PCs from shops don't base the gaming capabilities on it's specs, they base it on it's price. Can't blame them for thinking an expensive PC will be able to play games.

If you're looking to buy a PC that plays games then you should buy a gaming PC. If you're buying a media center PC then you're not buying a gaming PC. If this rig is being advertised as a gaming rig, then you can blame the store owner. If you just buy a media center PC because LAWL ITS A PC, that is end user.
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#119 markop2003
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[QUOTE="markop2003"] Thing is most shops sell PCs not gaming rigs and the gaming rigs that are sold off the shelf are highly overpriced for no real reasonVandalvideo
Well thats your fault for buying a media center PC and expecting it to play games. I don't buy a DVD player and expect it to play 360 games now do I?

I don't i made my own.... This just brings me round back to my point that people are lazy and don't want to understand, people don't want to know what thier specs mean, they can't be bothered finding out what the best PC for thier buck is, alot of people can't even be bothered shopping around these days.
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#120 AirGuitarist87
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="AirGuitarist87"] Aaah, the Fundamental Attribution Error, hard at work. :P People who buy PCs from shops don't base the gaming capabilities on it's specs, they base it on it's price. Can't blame them for thinking an expensive PC will be able to play games.

If you're looking to buy a PC that plays games then you should buy a gaming PC. If you're buying a media center PC then you're not buying a gaming PC. If this rig is being advertised as a gaming rig, then you can blame the store owner. If you just buy a media center PC because LAWL ITS A PC, that is end user.

Indeed, if it's marketed as a gaming PC then that's false advertisement. However, as I said, most won't bother to look at the specs because they won't even know what it means. Think of how many people own PCs, now think of how many people will know what in the name of Thor's beard a 1333FSB CPU is. Blame shouldn't be placed on people who aren't experts in the situation.
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#121 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="markop2003"] I don't i made my own.... This just brings me round back to my point that people are lazy and don't want to understand, people don't want to know what thier specs mean, they can't be bothered finding out what the best PC for thier buck is, alot of people can't even be bothered shopping around these days.

It is really simple. If you buy a media PC and expect it to play games then that is your own fault for being an end user. Its not better than an old lady thinking her wii can play 360 games cause its a video game console. Ignorance is no excuse.
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#122 jasonheyman
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That's actually very untrue, PCs are most popular in countries where the general populance can't afford consoles ie Russiamarkop2003

Yeah well I live in the US were console gaming is more popular. And piracy in other countries almost double outside of the US, nice little tid bit to add there. So And please explain how consoles are more expensive then PC gaming in other countries?

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#123 legol1
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there many good reasons to prefer console to pc time is a good one pc is time consuming if you dont have that much time console is a good alternative . xbox live comunity is another good reason to play on console, if your friends are playing on live you want to play with your friends right ? we call them hermit for a reason. other good reason to play with console exclusive title, mgs4 killzone2 gt5 halo3 forza2 gear of war2 are very popular or will be exclusive title . and other good reason no fuc...ng drm with online identification or i dont have to create a new profile for every games etc etc etc.
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[QUOTE="AirGuitarist87"] Indeed, if it's marketed as a gaming PC then that's false advertisement. However, as I said, most won't bother to look at the specs because they won't even know what it means. Think of how many people own PCs, now think of how many people will know what in the name of Thor's beard a 1333FSB CPU is. Blame shouldn't be placed on people who aren't experts in the situation.

You don't even have to bother looking at the specs. If its a gaming rig, most of the gaming rigs have some kind of notation that will let you know as such. Something along the lines of; Great for playing games! Comes with two games! State of the art gaming tecnology! Atleast something to let you know. You can't buy a regular media rig and expect it to play anything. Its common consumer sense. If you don't know as much then you should be locked up for not being a conscientious consumer.
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#125 Killfox
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[QUOTE="markop2003"]That's actually very untrue, PCs are most popular in countries where the general populance can't afford consoles ie Russiajasonheyman

Yeah well I live in the US were console gaming is more popular. And piracy in other countries almost double outside of the US, nice little tid bit to add there. So And please explain how consoles are more expensive then PC gaming in other countries?

Sweet. Where did you pull that fact out from???
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#126 markop2003
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="AirGuitarist87"] Aaah, the Fundamental Attribution Error, hard at work. :P People who buy PCs from shops don't base the gaming capabilities on it's specs, they base it on it's price. Can't blame them for thinking an expensive PC will be able to play games.AirGuitarist87
If you're looking to buy a PC that plays games then you should buy a gaming PC. If you're buying a media center PC then you're not buying a gaming PC. If this rig is being advertised as a gaming rig, then you can blame the store owner. If you just buy a media center PC because LAWL ITS A PC, that is end user.

Indeed, if it's marketed as a gaming PC then that's false advertisement. However, as I said, most won't bother to look at the specs because they won't even know what it means. Think of how many people own PCs, now think of how many people will know what in the name of Thor's beard a 1333FSB CPU is. Blame shouldn't be placed on people who aren't experts in the situation.

You'ld be surprised how many people think that a 1tb HDD means a PC is really fast... Anyway it's not that hard to find out TBH. I blame it more on the customer than the shop, sure the shops ain't perfect for basically advertising that the more ghz and more gb the faster the PC but it's easy enough for the end user to find out the basics. There's this problem with alot of things these days, people don't want to put the effort into finding out what would be best or cheapest.
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Yes it is a preference to be lazy and ignorant not to build your own when you can get much better gear for a cheaper price.millerlight89

Ok so people who don't like your hobbie with you, you put in a category to make yourself feel better or something, is this the only defense you have?

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[QUOTE="jasonheyman"][QUOTE="markop2003"]That's actually very untrue, PCs are most popular in countries where the general populance can't afford consoles ie RussiaKillfox

Yeah well I live in the US were console gaming is more popular. And piracy in other countries almost double outside of the US, nice little tid bit to add there. So And please explain how consoles are more expensive then PC gaming in other countries?

Sweet. Where did you pull that fact out from???

Google it ;)
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#129 markop2003
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[QUOTE="markop2003"]That's actually very untrue, PCs are most popular in countries where the general populance can't afford consoles ie Russiajasonheyman

Yeah well I live in the US were console gaming is more popular. And piracy in other countries almost double outside of the US, nice little tid bit to add there. So And please explain how consoles are more expensive then PC gaming in other countries?

PCs are scalable and developers don't have to pay money to the platform creator so games are cheaper.
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[QUOTE="millerlight89"]Yes it is a preference to be lazy and ignorant not to build your own when you can get much better gear for a cheaper price.jasonheyman

Ok so people who don't like your hobbie with you, you put in a category to make yourself feel better or something, is this the only defense you have?

And what exactly is your defense? Is it random statistics you pull out of the air and using Alienware PCs as an example of PC gaming? :|
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[QUOTE="jasonheyman"]

[QUOTE="millerlight89"]Yes it is a preference to be lazy and ignorant not to build your own when you can get much better gear for a cheaper price.Aljosa23

Ok so people who don't like your hobbie with you, you put in a category to make yourself feel better or something, is this the only defense you have?

And what exactly is your defense? Is it random statistics you pull out of the air and using Alienware PCs as an example of PC gaming? :|

:lol: alienware..

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#132 Killfox
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[QUOTE="Killfox"][QUOTE="jasonheyman"]

Yeah well I live in the US were console gaming is more popular. And piracy in other countries almost double outside of the US, nice little tid bit to add there. So And please explain how consoles are more expensive then PC gaming in other countries?

jasonheyman
Sweet. Where did you pull that fact out from???

Google it ;)

Um you. You were the one that said. Now back up your claim. Or its false.
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[QUOTE="jasonheyman"]

[QUOTE="millerlight89"]Yes it is a preference to be lazy and ignorant not to build your own when you can get much better gear for a cheaper price.Aljosa23

Ok so people who don't like your hobbie with you, you put in a category to make yourself feel better or something, is this the only defense you have?

And what exactly is your defense? Is it random statistics you pull out of the air and using Alienware PCs as an example of PC gaming? :|

At least I can back it up ;) and anyone who goes to a store to purchase a gaming rig will at least be paying a $1,000.00 dollars it's simple. It's not things I pull out of the air :shock:

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#134 markop2003
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there many good reasons to prefer console to pc time is a good one pc is time consuming if you dont have that much time console is a good alternative . xbox live comunity is another good reason to play on console, if your friends are playing on live you want to play with your friends right ? we call them hermit for a reason. other good reason to play with console exclusive title, mgs4 killzone2 gt5 halo3 forza2 gear of war2 are very popular or will be exclusive title . and other good reason no fuc...ng drm with online identification or i dont have to create a new profile for every games etc etc etc. legol1
1. There not really any more times consuming, i'm sure you can spare a few minutes on Cyberpower if your time is that valuble 2. STEAM is the biggest community of gamers there is (15 million) so you're plain wrong there oh and then there's WoW (11 million) 3. PC has good exclusives too also only 2 of those games you listed intrest me in the slightest 4. You've got a point with this one but it's never really bothered me 5. Atleast with STEAM you don't and EA accounts are tied to a central EA acount, i think Ubi does the same tooo, also it's not that much of a bother TBH
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#135 AirGuitarist87
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You don't even have to bother looking at the specs. If its a gaming rig, most of the gaming rigs have some kind of notation that will let you know as such. Something along the lines of; Great for playing games! Comes with two games! State of the art gaming tecnology! Atleast something to let you know. You can't buy a regular media rig and expect it to play anything. Its common consumer sense. If you don't know as much then you should be locked up for not being a conscientious consumer.Vandalvideo

Where does all this anger come from Vandal? :?

Yes, if you're looking for a gaming PC then those are the signs you look for. However, as it has already been said, gaming PCs are a rarity in shops because gamers build them themselves. If not they go through companies like Dell and lo and behold there are not only those dreaded specs again, but the unnecessary markup it a major turn off.

Saying "buying a media rig and expect it to play anything" is akin to blaming someone who buys a Squire Stratocaster who wants to sound like Meshuggah (LOL everyone knows you need an 8 string with EMGs in the bridge and neck). You can't point fingers at people who don't go into as much depth as you do.

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#136 markop2003
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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"][QUOTE="jasonheyman"]

Ok so people who don't like your hobbie with you, you put in a category to make yourself feel better or something, is this the only defense you have?

jasonheyman

And what exactly is your defense? Is it random statistics you pull out of the air and using Alienware PCs as an example of PC gaming? :|

At least I can back it up ;) and anyone who goes to a store to purchase a gaming rig with at least be paying a $1,000.00 dollars it's simple. It's not things I pull out of the air :shock:

Depends where you go and how you look, if you walk into a store and ask for a gaming rig then they'll show you the top PC they have as they can proberbly make an easy sale. Though if you walk in and ask for specific specs they know that they can't pull one over on you sso you should get a much better deal. Then there's always just going to an online gaming PC store or making it yourself.
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#137 deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"][QUOTE="jasonheyman"]

Ok so people who don't like your hobbie with you, you put in a category to make yourself feel better or something, is this the only defense you have?

jasonheyman

And what exactly is your defense? Is it random statistics you pull out of the air and using Alienware PCs as an example of PC gaming? :|

At least I can back it up ;) and anyone who goes to a store to purchase a gaming rig will at least be paying a $1,000.00 dollars it's simple. It's not things I pull out of the air :shock:

So you back it up by using Alienware as in example? :|

Do you see those PC specs in my sig? Yeah, I paid only $750 for that. :|

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#138 markop2003
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]You don't even have to bother looking at the specs. If its a gaming rig, most of the gaming rigs have some kind of notation that will let you know as such. Something along the lines of; Great for playing games! Comes with two games! State of the art gaming tecnology! Atleast something to let you know. You can't buy a regular media rig and expect it to play anything. Its common consumer sense. If you don't know as much then you should be locked up for not being a conscientious consumer.AirGuitarist87

Where does all this anger come from Vandal? :?

He seems to be thinking of us as people who actually get these PCs and are complaining about them like console fanboys instead of just being realistic
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#139 AirGuitarist87
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[QUOTE="jasonheyman"][QUOTE="markop2003"]That's actually very untrue, PCs are most popular in countries where the general populance can't afford consoles ie RussiaKillfox

Yeah well I live in the US were console gaming is more popular. And piracy in other countries almost double outside of the US, nice little tid bit to add there. So And please explain how consoles are more expensive then PC gaming in other countries?

Sweet. Where did you pull that fact out from???

China and Russia are the two biggest locations for piracy, due to a combination of being last in localisation and basically having a huge population. Valve recently have decided to take Russia on in a rational yet risky manner.
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#140 deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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And just for some extra ownage, check out this expensive pc!

:lol:

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#141 Vandalvideo
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Yes, if you're looking for a gaming PC then those are the signs you look for. However, as it has already been said, gaming PCs are a rarity in shops because gamers build them themselves. If not they go through companies like Dell and lo and behold there are not only those dreaded specs again, but the unnecessary markup it a major turn off. Saying "buying a media rig and expect it to play anything" is akin to blaming someone who buys a Squire Stratocaster who wants to sound like Meshuggah (LOL everyone knows you need an 8 string with EMGs in the bridge and neck). You can't point fingers at people who don't go into as much depth as you doAirGuitarist87
If you really want to have a decent gaming rig without worrying about price, you go through the Geek Square. My main point is that you cannot expect media PCs to play PC games. Its an unreasoanble demand to be making of the developers themselves. Like I said, you don't expect a toaster to play a 360 game. People who don't know the slightest about what they're buying just happen to get on my nerves.
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#142 AirGuitarist87
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And just for some extra ownage, check out this expensive pc!

:lol:

Aljosa23

:shock: Holy crap!

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#143 gamer620
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there many good reasons to prefer console to pc time is a good one pc is time consuming if you dont have that much time console is a good alternative . xbox live comunity is another good reason to play on console, if your friends are playing on live you want to play with your friends right ? we call them hermit for a reason. other good reason to play with console exclusive title, mgs4 killzone2 gt5 halo3 forza2 gear of war2 are very popular or will be exclusive title . and other good reason no fuc...ng drm with online identification or i dont have to create a new profile for every games etc etc etc.legol1
So in order to play all of those games you listed as "console exclusive" you would need to spend at the very least 600 dollars and that is if you want to sacrifice the Harddrive on the 360 thus negating online. Not to mention the PC has exclusives that can't be played on PCs.. it works both ways there chief. Besides it may very well be cheaper than a PC (not necessarily in the long run though with more expensive games, pay to play online (360), Premium DLC) but I don't understand how you justify the purchase of 2 machines and then compare it to a single machine that can be easily purchased (or built) for well under 1000 dollars and run 90% of the games better than the consoles would run them. I own a 360 and a gaming PC(an old one to boot that still runs the majority of games that release today smooth on medium to high settings) I would say I play both equally, but I highly prefer my PC simply because of the interface), the online, cheaper software, the mod communities and all the free software that is available ONLY for PC gamers(a lot of free to play titles are better than most games that retail for 50-60 dollars on PC and Consoles, and especially the arcade games that release on XBLA and PSN). There is A LOT of reason to be a PC gamer. Having beef with DRM is simply a personal preference. It isn't the developers problem if you are to lazy to take 3 minutes out of your life to register your product.

I laugh at all the people who look forward to PC centric games like The Witcher or Dragon Age: Origins on console (just using these two as an example to prove a point). While BOTH of those games feature a built in SDK for limitless free expansions, you won't see ANY of that stuff on the 360 or PS3 versions. Not to mention the cheaper price of the games (the witcher by the time the console version comes out will be half the price as the console version, and dragon age will be 10 dollars less)

Also you clearly haven't heard of IRC or Ventrilo or even steam. I have no problems playing and voice chatting in games with my friends in Quake, Team Fortress, Unreal, or any other PC game I play. There is as much of a community on the PC as there is on the 360 or PS3. It may not be as Unified as the 360 (steam is as well unified when it comes to community structure as the 360, only difference is not EVERY game is steam compatible, chalk one up for the 360, barely... thats what you get for 50 dollars a year... a unified community)

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#144 jasonheyman
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And just for some extra ownage, check out this expensive pc!

:lol:

Aljosa23

Where was the Operating System for it? They suggested Windows so that is another 100 to 150 dollars right there alone :shock:

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#145 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

And just for some extra ownage, check out this expensive pc!

:lol:

jasonheyman

Where was the Operating System for it? They suggested Windows so that is another 100 to 150 dollars right there alone :shock:

\ Where are you shoppping? You can easily buy XP for 65+ dollars.
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#146 millerlight89
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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

And just for some extra ownage, check out this expensive pc!

:lol:

jasonheyman

Where was the Operating System for it? They suggested Windows so that is another 100 to 150 dollars right there alone :shock:

Not quite buddy good try though.
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#147 GTR2addict
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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

And just for some extra ownage, check out this expensive pc!

:lol:

AirGuitarist87

:shock: Holy crap!

that is a freakin amazing price, shame you cant OC though
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#148 jasonheyman
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[QUOTE="jasonheyman"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

And just for some extra ownage, check out this expensive pc!

:lol:

Vandalvideo

Where was the Operating System for it? They suggested Windows so that is another 100 to 150 dollars right there alone :shock:

Where are you shoppping? You can easily buy XP for 65+ dollars.

The site suggested Windows Vista and Windows XP Pro

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#149 swazidoughman
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="jasonheyman"]

Where was the Operating System for it? They suggested Windows so that is another 100 to 150 dollars right there alone :shock:

jasonheyman

Where are you shoppping? You can easily buy XP for 65+ dollars.

The site suggested Windows Vista and Windows XP Pro

99% of Linux distros are free.

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#150 Vandalvideo
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The site suggested jasonheyman
Talk about shopping overpriced! You can easily get the OEM from wholesale sites for less than 100 bucks. They usually run anywhere between 65-90 bucks. and like the above poster just said. If you're a cheap shopper just use UBUNTU. Oooor you can downgrade the video card, save 100 bucks, and get the OEM from a retailer.