Racing w/ 20 other people online>>> Crash damage

Who cares if there isn't any crash damage. Forza still limits you to 8 players per race. Look at it this way, w/o crash damage more players are now feasable to race w/ each other. Imagine a room filled w/ 19 others to race against which would make racing online more exciting w/ well, just 7 other players.
Online in GT5 will be a blast.

Who cares if there isn't any crash damage. Forza still limits you to 8 players per race. Look at it this way, w/o crash damage more players are now feasable to race w/ each other. Imagine a room filled w/ 19 others to race against which would make racing online more exciting w/ well, just 7 other players.
Online in GT5 will be a blast.

SupraGT

Even with bumper car physics???

If so I'll pass.

[QUOTE="SupraGT"]

Who cares if there isn't any crash damage. Forza still limits you to 8 players per race. Look at it this way, w/o crash damage more players are now feasable to race w/ each other. Imagine a room filled w/ 19 others to race against which would make racing online more exciting w/ well, just 7 other players.
Online in GT5 will be a blast.

mentzer

Even with bumper car physics???

If so I'll pass.

um, who said GT5 will have bumper car physics? no damage doesn't= bumper car.

I am a Sony fan but I am extremely disappointed by this "no damage" news, I might actually buy a 360 just for Forza 2.no_submission

Come back to me when 18 of the other players decide to use you as a bumper on corners and deliberately smash into you. It's not funny and would happen almost every race.

Online racing must have severe penalties for those who like to go bumper car racing otherwise it becomes unplayable.

[QUOTE="mentzer"][QUOTE="SupraGT"]

Who cares if there isn't any crash damage. Forza still limits you to 8 players per race. Look at it this way, w/o crash damage more players are now feasable to race w/ each other. Imagine a room filled w/ 19 others to race against which would make racing online more exciting w/ well, just 7 other players.
Online in GT5 will be a blast.

SupraGT

Even with bumper car physics???

If so I'll pass.

um, who said GT5 will have bumper car physics? no damage doesn't= bumper car.

Can't see how the collisions are going to be realistic without acompanying damage modeling.

Sorry, but there is no excuse at all for PD to exclude damage modeling. PD has been playing the "Oh the car manufacturers don't like it" card for2 gens now.

No excuse.

You boys making excuses for GT5 aren't doing them any favors.

I agree,if Polyphony can pull off 15-20 racers online,then GT5 will be a revolution. Regarding the crash damage,the thing that makes me chuckle is there are people who actually claim Forza 2's crash damage is realistic. When you drive into a wall at over 100MPH,in the real world,your car will probably be done for. In Forza,your bumper falls off.Dualshockin

Not true at all. At that speed, your windows break out, front quarter will bend, lights will break out, and you'll be impossibly lucky to get away without alignment and engine problems. It would take out of the race almost definitely. I know this because my NSX just got destroyed 5 minutes ago from a front end collision with a wall at 130. Done for.

Come back to me when 18 of the other players decide to use you as a bumper on corners and deliberately smash into you. It's not funny and would happen almost every race.

Online racing must have severe penalties for those who like to go bumper car racing otherwise it becomes unplayable.

Hoobinator

and again, who said GT5 will have bumper car physics? they can still achieve realistic collision physics w/o the damage. And I can't even count the # of times i was taken out in forza b/c of a bad drive and yet, there is no penalty. So is forza unplayable?

[QUOTE="SupraGT"][QUOTE="mentzer"][QUOTE="SupraGT"]

Who cares if there isn't any crash damage. Forza still limits you to 8 players per race. Look at it this way, w/o crash damage more players are now feasable to race w/ each other. Imagine a room filled w/ 19 others to race against which would make racing online more exciting w/ well, just 7 other players.
Online in GT5 will be a blast.

mentzer

Even with bumper car physics???

If so I'll pass.

um, who said GT5 will have bumper car physics? no damage doesn't= bumper car.

Can't see how the collisions are going to be realistic without acompanying damage modeling.

Sorry, but there is no excuse at all for PD to exclude damage modeling. PD has been playing the "Oh the car manufacturers don't like it" card for2 gens now.

No excuse.

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

Come back to me when 18 of the other players decide to use you as a bumper on corners and deliberately smash into you. It's not funny and would happen almost every race.

Online racing must have severe penalties for those who like to go bumper car racing otherwise it becomes unplayable.

SupraGT

and again, who said GT5 will have bumper car physics? they can still achieve realistic collision physics w/o the damage. And I can't even count the # of times i was taken out in forza b/c of a bad drive and yet, there is no penalty. So is forza unplayable?

Well for your sake, you better hope PD does something amazing without damage modeling, or else hd28guy_basic will never let you rest.

God forbid Forza 2 out scores GT 5 :lol:

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

Come back to me when 18 of the other players decide to use you as a bumper on corners and deliberately smash into you. It's not funny and would happen almost every race.

Online racing must have severe penalties for those who like to go bumper car racing otherwise it becomes unplayable.

SupraGT

and again, who said GT5 will have bumper car physics? they can still achieve realistic collision physics w/o the damage. And I can't even count the # of times i was taken out in forza b/c of a bad drive and yet, there is no penalty. So is forza unplayable?

At least there is some sort of penalty in Forza 2, collision physics without damage means nothing, so you go spinning sometimes so what, the only thing that will put off bumper car racers is a car damage model cranked up to max.

As anyone who has played any racing game online can tell you the major problem is idiots ruining the race by driving backwards into other people once they realize they have no chance at winning. The more cars you add to the mix the greater the chance this idiocy will occur.

I do it all the time! What else can you do once you suspect h4xorz!!

I am a Sony fan but I am extremely disappointed by this "no damage" news, I might actually buy a 360 just for Forza 2.no_submission

Try out the demo, I was really dissappointed. :(

I like PRG3 better, it was much easier to play. :P

holy crap 20 players!?!?!?!?!?? that + in car view =OWNAGE!

id much rather have in car view then have the crappy damage modeling forza has.

[QUOTE="no_submission"]I am a Sony fan but I am extremely disappointed by this "no damage" news, I might actually buy a 360 just for Forza 2.GatoFeo

Try out the demo, I was really dissappointed. :(

I like PRG3 better, it was much easier to play. :P

yeah pgr3 is so awesome...its like sim combines with arcade to make the feeling of...hmm...PERFECTION! thats one of the main reason i bought a 360 was for pgr

[QUOTE="SupraGT"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

Come back to me when 18 of the other players decide to use you as a bumper on corners and deliberately smash into you. It's not funny and would happen almost every race.

Online racing must have severe penalties for those who like to go bumper car racing otherwise it becomes unplayable.

mentzer

and again, who said GT5 will have bumper car physics? they can still achieve realistic collision physics w/o the damage. And I can't even count the # of times i was taken out in forza b/c of a bad drive and yet, there is no penalty. So is forza unplayable?

Well for your sake, you better hope PD does something amazing without damage modeling, or else hd28guy_basic will never let you rest.

God forbid Forza 2 out scores GT 5 :lol:

hd28guy_basic got perma banned. :lol: he muct be hiding in another account.

[QUOTE="no_submission"]I am a Sony fan but I am extremely disappointed by this "no damage" news, I might actually buy a 360 just for Forza 2.Dualshockin

What does my post count have to do with anything? What's wrong with wanting a realistic racing sim?

[QUOTE="mentzer"][QUOTE="SupraGT"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

Come back to me when 18 of the other players decide to use you as a bumper on corners and deliberately smash into you. It's not funny and would happen almost every race.

Online racing must have severe penalties for those who like to go bumper car racing otherwise it becomes unplayable.

SupraGT

and again, who said GT5 will have bumper car physics? they can still achieve realistic collision physics w/o the damage. And I can't even count the # of times i was taken out in forza b/c of a bad drive and yet, there is no penalty. So is forza unplayable?

Well for your sake, you better hope PD does something amazing without damage modeling, or else hd28guy_basic will never let you rest.

God forbid Forza 2 out scores GT 5 :lol:

hd28guy_basic got perma banned. :lol: he muct be hiding in another account.

You must've forgot about tango.

Oh yeah, he'll be around for sure when GT 5 drops.

I am a Sony fan but I am extremely disappointed by this "no damage" news, I might actually buy a 360 just for Forza 2.no_submission

Do it. It takes everything that's good about GT4 and does it with better sounds, better cars, more tracks, customization,and realistic damage. I am as big a GT fan as the next guy but there's no denying that Forza is good.

[QUOTE="SupraGT"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

Come back to me when 18 of the other players decide to use you as a bumper on corners and deliberately smash into you. It's not funny and would happen almost every race.

Online racing must have severe penalties for those who like to go bumper car racing otherwise it becomes unplayable.

Hoobinator

and again, who said GT5 will have bumper car physics? they can still achieve realistic collision physics w/o the damage. And I can't even count the # of times i was taken out in forza b/c of a bad drive and yet, there is no penalty. So is forza unplayable?

At least there is some sort of penalty in Forza 2, collision physics without damage means nothing, so you go spinning sometimes so what, the only thing that will put off bumper car racers is a car damage model cranked up to max.

and crappy driver. I take the penalty for someone elses wrong doing. they should have yellow flagging in forza.

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"]I agree,if Polyphony can pull off 15-20 racers online,then GT5 will be a revolution. Regarding the crash damage,the thing that makes me chuckle is there are people who actually claim Forza 2's crash damage is realistic. When you drive into a wall at over 100MPH,in the real world,your car will probably be done for. In Forza,your bumper falls off.whoisryanmack

Not true at all. At that speed, your windows break out, front quarter will bend, lights will break out, and you'll be impossibly lucky to get away without alignment and engine problems. It would take out of the race almost definitely. I know this because my NSX just got destroyed 5 minutes ago from a front end collision with a wall at 130. Done for.

[QUOTE="whoisryanmack"]

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"]I agree,if Polyphony can pull off 15-20 racers online,then GT5 will be a revolution. Regarding the crash damage,the thing that makes me chuckle is there are people who actually claim Forza 2's crash damage is realistic. When you drive into a wall at over 100MPH,in the real world,your car will probably be done for. In Forza,your bumper falls off.Dualshockin

Not true at all. At that speed, your windows break out, front quarter will bend, lights will break out, and you'll be impossibly lucky to get away without alignment and engine problems. It would take out of the race almost definitely. I know this because my NSX just got destroyed 5 minutes ago from a front end collision with a wall at 130. Done for.

You can attempt to finish, although you will be limping in last....or restart, which is the cheap way out, but i do it anyway!

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="no_submission"]I am a Sony fan but I am extremely disappointed by this "no damage" news, I might actually buy a 360 just for Forza 2.no_submission

What does my post count have to do with anything? What's wrong with wanting a realistic racing sim?

I agree,if Polyphony can pull off 15-20 racers online,then GT5 will be a revolution. Regarding the crash damage,the thing that makes me chuckle is there are people who actually claim Forza 2's crash damage is realistic. When you drive into a wall at over 100MPH,in the real world,your car will probably be done for. In Forza,your bumper falls off.Dualshockin

incorrect....

your engine becomes damaged....your drive train goes bad and you screw up your alignment .... also tire damage and brake damage.....

your bumper falling off would also affect aero dynamics slowing down your car...

You can attempt to finish, although you will be limping in last....or restart, which is the cheap way out, but i do it anyway!whoisryanmack

[QUOTE="whoisryanmack"]You can attempt to finish, although you will be limping in last....or restart, which is the cheap way out, but i do it anyway!Dualshockin

You see the problem with that argument? I'm sure you do. For one, it's a game. You have the option to play it realistic if you want, but they won't leave you hanging to dry lapping at 10 mph for an hour. I also said you can "try" and finish, which doesn't imply that you will. In any case, deny it all you like, but the damage in Forza is downright impressive as hell when you've actually played. It is extremely realistic for a game that also needs to be fun.

Oh, and I just thought of another reason. In the 24 hours at LeMans for example, the driver may not be 10ft or more from his car at any time or be towed to the pits...at the risk of being disqualified. Because of this, they will drive any semblance of a car back to the pits after horrendous crashes. It does happen. Tube frame cars with extremely stiff springs can drive in surprising conditions.

[QUOTE="whoisryanmack"]You can attempt to finish, although you will be limping in last....or restart, which is the cheap way out, but i do it anyway!Dualshockin

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"]I agree,if Polyphony can pull off 15-20 racers online,then GT5 will be a revolution. Regarding the crash damage,the thing that makes me chuckle is there are people who actually claim Forza 2's crash damage is realistic. When you drive into a wall at over 100MPH,in the real world,your car will probably be done for. In Forza,your bumper falls off.Kronos6

incorrect....

your engine becomes damaged....your drive train goes bad and you screw up your alignment .... also tire damage and brake damage.....

your bumper falling off would also affect aero dynamics slowing down your car...

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="whoisryanmack"]You can attempt to finish, although you will be limping in last....or restart, which is the cheap way out, but i do it anyway!CAlNlAC

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="whoisryanmack"]You can attempt to finish, although you will be limping in last....or restart, which is the cheap way out, but i do it anyway!whoisryanmack

You see the problem with that argument? I'm sure you do. For one, it's a game. You have the option to play it realistic if you want, but they won't leave you hanging to dry lapping at 10 mph for an hour. I also said you can "try" and finish, which doesn't imply that you will. In any case, deny it all you like, but the damage in Forza is downright impressive as hell when you've actually played. It is extremely realistic for a game that also needs to be fun.

Oh, and I just thought of another reason. In the 24 hours at LeMans for example, the driver may not be 10ft or more from his car at any time or be towed to the pits...at the risk of being disqualified. Because of this, they will drive any semblance of a car back to the pits after horrendous crashes. It does happen. Tube frame cars with extremely stiff springs can drive in surprising conditions.

[QUOTE="whoisryanmack"]You can attempt to finish, although you will be limping in last....or restart, which is the cheap way out, but i do it anyway!Dualshockin

[QUOTE="Kronos6"]

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"]I agree,if Polyphony can pull off 15-20 racers online,then GT5 will be a revolution. Regarding the crash damage,the thing that makes me chuckle is there are people who actually claim Forza 2's crash damage is realistic. When you drive into a wall at over 100MPH,in the real world,your car will probably be done for. In Forza,your bumper falls off.Dualshockin

incorrect....

your engine becomes damaged....your drive train goes bad and you screw up your alignment .... also tire damage and brake damage.....

your bumper falling off would also affect aero dynamics slowing down your car...

you can finish the race in first....if your opponents crash as well...which has happened to me...

see in forza you get money online from racing towards your career depending on how you place and the modifiers that are enabled (damage, racing assistance, anti lock brakes, traction control). So if im in a race with 3 of my live friends....and we all crash...(which has happened) it evens out the playing field.....

ive been the first to crash and came in 2nd place and left a race with prize money....its worth finishing the race....also if you have a best lap for that race even if you crashed it's recorded....thats what many people seem to forget about forza 2 when comparing it to GT...your career follows you when you play online...so finishing a race is sometimes in your best interest....

and you can make as many irrelevant comments regarding the driver inspecting his car....the point is that damage effects how you play the game....on single player you can restart.....on multiplayer your racing for money....so your going to want to finish the race...theres an incentive for coming in 2nd place...

[QUOTE="CAlNlAC"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="whoisryanmack"]You can attempt to finish, although you will be limping in last....or restart, which is the cheap way out, but i do it anyway!Dualshockin

[QUOTE="whoisryanmack"]

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="whoisryanmack"]You can attempt to finish, although you will be limping in last....or restart, which is the cheap way out, but i do it anyway!Dualshockin

You see the problem with that argument? I'm sure you do. For one, it's a game. You have the option to play it realistic if you want, but they won't leave you hanging to dry lapping at 10 mph for an hour. I also said you can "try" and finish, which doesn't imply that you will. In any case, deny it all you like, but the damage in Forza is downright impressive as hell when you've actually played. It is extremely realistic for a game that also needs to be fun.

Oh, and I just thought of another reason. In the 24 hours at LeMans for example, the driver may not be 10ft or more from his car at any time or be towed to the pits...at the risk of being disqualified. Because of this, they will drive any semblance of a car back to the pits after horrendous crashes. It does happen. Tube frame cars with extremely stiff springs can drive in surprising conditions.

No, but now it is evident you are reaching. There are limits to games, and that is a given. The biggest problem with this is that it is clear you haven't played the game...and it also appears you are supporting another game (GT5) that hasn't even been released. Can you go thru walls in GT5? Does the driver get out and inspect the vehicle? If not, then it's got nothing on Forza and this argument is moot.

and as per you other argument, what does the ability to finish in first have to do with realism? If you're in a real race, and your car is destroyed but can be repaired, the only hope you have of finishing near the top is other cars breaking down....which can happen in forza.

*yawns*

Damage control.:roll:

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="whoisryanmack"]You can attempt to finish, although you will be limping in last....or restart, which is the cheap way out, but i do it anyway!yoshi_64