Ratchet and Clank Team rips on Aaron Thomas (gamespot) Review

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[QUOTE="Fignewton50"]Wow, it's one guys opinion. Too bad, get over it. JPOBS

There's a difference between opinion and bias.

Truth hurts.

All of this simply comes down to Aaron being a complete douche bag. Seriously, GS should just fire this homo and get it over with. He obviously missed the mark completely on this game and besides that he acts like a tool and pisses me off each time he shows up on OnetheSpot. The End.cbtrey3

yah...see you when you get back from your vacation.

All I can say is this, Gamespot was one of the only sites to review TP correctly when almost everyone else gave it 10's across the board. With that being said, I find Gamespot's score to be more trust worthy as they DON'T hand out 10's across the board.

They're hard on games, and try to critique them to others in the genre and their past games. By no means is 7.5 a bad score, if you read the review FAQ it says it's a GOOD game, not bad. A 9+ is a game that is almost perfect, something that R & C certainly is not.

To any who calls Insomniac guys cry babies.

Um...your on a website..arguing about video games and crying about scores. And THEY'RE the cry babies? Your defending machines...they're defending their hard work....big difference.

Bread_or_Decide

Hey maybe you didn't notice...but they're professionals.

Do you understand that there is a difference? :|

want a better review? make a better game

until then, don't blame the messenger for the game's faults...

All I can say is this, Gamespot was one of the only sites to review TP correctly when almost everyone else gave it 10's across the board. With that being said, I find Gamespot's score to be more trust worthy as they DON'T hand out 10's across the board.

They're hard on games, and try to critique them to others in the genre and their past games. By no means is 7.5 a bad score, if you read the review FAQ it says it's a GOOD game, not bad. A 9+ is a game that is almost perfect, something that R & C certainly is not.

Donkey_Puncher

R&C TOD pretty much perfects its own formula. Whats not perfect about it?

[QUOTE="heretrix"]No wonder they have ice cream socials at insominac. They have a bunch of 12 year olds working for them. Nice.iunderstand

Wouldn't it be great if Dennis Dyack, David Jaffe and Insomniac all got together to create a game? They would be able to whine about every single review, preview and blog reply regarding their game.

All I can say is this, Gamespot was one of the only sites to review TP correctly when almost everyone else gave it 10's across the board. With that being said, I find Gamespot's score to be more trust worthy as they DON'T hand out 10's across the board.

They're hard on games, and try to critique them to others in the genre and their past games. By no means is 7.5 a bad score, if you read the review FAQ it says it's a GOOD game, not bad. A 9+ is a game that is almost perfect, something that R & C certainly is not.

Donkey_Puncher

I don't buy that. They rated Halo a 9 something and the game isn't even worth it.

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[QUOTE="ermacness"][QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL"]It's obvious Aaron hit his review dead on, if the dev has to be so insecure about it. It just confirms that minority thinking is superior to mainstream thinking...Udsen

HE GAVE A VALID OPINION ON A GAME AND THE DEV TEAM PISSED THEIR PANTS, GET OUT COW.

I own all 3 systems and a gaming PC, cow.

You do realize every single videogame review is an opinion, right? Oh, I get it, if everyone gives a game a 9 and someone gives it 7.5 their opinion is not allowed. This is a free country, kiddo. And the averages tell me that review sites thought the game was very good, while it still holds no water to Aaron's personal opinion, or mine for that matter.

Sit down, little guy.

p.s. by the way i also have all 3 consoles and a pc (not a gaming pc) i just see where insomniac is coming from

Every opinion is valid..

Do you need to go back to 6th grade english or something?

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

To any who calls Insomniac guys cry babies.

Um...your on a website..arguing about video games and crying about scores. And THEY'RE the cry babies? Your defending machines...they're defending their hard work....big difference.

Dreams-Visions

Hey maybe you didn't notice...but they're professionals.

Do you understand that there is a difference? :|

They have just as much of a right to criticize the review as gamespot has a right to criticize the game.

Considering gameranking says R&c is 90% well that only supports their comment. Not to mention "too much variety" is a pretty lame negative point to give a game. Sorry you change up the gameplay too much..I want to be bored and do nothing but shoot for 6 hours non stop. Come on now.

[QUOTE="xTHExJUICEx"][QUOTE="gromit007"]

I think we are now seeing exactly what the PS3 is all about. You are going to get two types of games.

1. Rehashes of old franchises that dovery littlenew except improve the graphics. R&C, MGS, Killzone, etc. Cows are like, it was really good 5 years ago, why not now? It kills me that the devs think the same.

2. New IP's that are dismal. Lair, Genji, etc. Cows are like, 'Just wait, we will get something good soon!'

gromit007

Resistance, Warhawk, Heavenly Sword, and Motorstorm are all solid new IPs.

Fanboys, lowering our IQ's every day.

[QUOTE="ermacness"][QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL"][QUOTE="ermacness"][QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL"]It's obvious Aaron hit his review dead on, if the dev has to be so insecure about it. It just confirms that minority thinking is superior to mainstream thinking...Udsen

Because it's not what you want to hear, you'll go as far as questioning his ability to do the job he's worked hard for. You're damn pathetic.

I find it funny that people tell cows "Its just an Opinion! Get Over it!" and yet here we are...going all crazy because of Insomniac's opinion of Gamespot.....-Serpahim-

The simple answer is, they like what Gamespot said, and not what Insomniac said. And thats because they are biased.

I find it funny that people tell cows "Its just an Opinion! Get Over it!" and yet here we are...going all crazy because of Insomniac's opinion of Gamespot.....-Serpahim-

The article was posted by "squallff8_fan".

Why are cows making threads in an open forum about this topic if they didn't want to discuss it?

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[QUOTE="ermacness"][QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL"][QUOTE="ermacness"][QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL"]It's obvious Aaron hit his review dead on, if the dev has to be so insecure about it. It just confirms that minority thinking is superior to mainstream thinking...ermacness

Because it's not what you want to hear, you'll go as far as questioning his ability to do the job he's worked hard for. You're damn pathetic.

I've played it as well and it doesn't even deserve the 7.5. But hey, I respect others' opinions, unlike you.

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[QUOTE="Fignewton50"]Wow, it's one guys opinion. Too bad, get over it. Non-Seq

Yes. Aaron Thomas has a personal agrievance with Ratchet and Clank.

Once upon a time Ratchet had his dirty way with Mrs Thomas, Aaron's mother, and Aaron has sworn vengeance ever since. Now, his day has come.

There's a difference between opinion and bias.

fix your quote.

And there is something wrong with it. His grievance isn't against Ratchet and Clank itself, it is against the PS3.

Where did you read that? Conspiracy theories FTW!

Every opinion is valid..

Do you need to go back to 6th grade english or something?

Udsen

Zing! Thank you, I'll be here all week.

[QUOTE="Fignewton50"]Wow, it's one guys opinion. Too bad, get over it. Non-Seq

There's a difference between opinion and bias.

To any who calls Insomniac guys cry babies.

Um...your on a website..arguing about video games and crying about scores. And THEY'RE the cry babies? Your defending machines...they're defending their hard work....big difference.

Bread_or_Decide

We are not professional Developers.

We are professional Fanboys, our job is to defend and argue.

..... If u dont understand devs point of views then u simply are a one minded idiot, that doesnt think twice. Its like whatever one game site feeds u, u believe it. Lmao I feel bad for u gamers who think that way. :)squallff8_fan

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

To any who calls Insomniac guys cry babies.

Um...your on a website..arguing about video games and crying about scores. And THEY'RE the cry babies? Your defending machines...they're defending their hard work....big difference.

Bread_or_Decide

Hey maybe you didn't notice...but they're professionals.

Do you understand that there is a difference? :|

They have just as much of a right to criticize the review as gamespot has a right to criticize the game.

Okay. You don't understand business or professionalism at all. There are ways to do things and there are ways not to. And if you didn't notice, they're not criticizing the review; they're criticizing the reviewer. It was an attack. If you can't see that...or that a reviewer is entitled to their opinion whether they like it or not...you are not a professional either.

And that's okay. But don't then, presume to discuss matters of professionalism. It's clearly not a realm you spend much time in at this point in your life.

As a professional for the last 7 years, I'd laugh at anyone in or around my industry that were to do this kind of juvenile stunt. They'd probably be fired.

It's one thing to address concerns, young man. It's qutie another to attack someone who's not as in love with your product as you are. They need to get over themselves and grow the hell up. Welcome to reality, where there's no Santa...no Willie Wonka factory...and not everyone will like you just because you have a lot of friends that do.

Their tears are laughable. How pathetic is it to even worry about average review in a sea of really good ones? I guess the same reason they couldn't handle GameSpot's 8.8 for Resistance.

FaIL.

Why would a dev be carring about reviews? they need to pay attention to sales.Zero-G_basic

Is this really what gaming is coming to? Devs SHOULD care about reviews, because a good dev cares more about the good reviews that it gets than the amount of sales. Designing games is an art.....

oh, but I dissagree with attacking Aaron Thomas. It's only one person's review so I don't understand why someone would care when the rest has all been great.

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All I can say is this, Gamespot was one of the only sites to review TP correctly when almost everyone else gave it 10's across the board. With that being said, I find Gamespot's score to be more trust worthy as they DON'T hand out 10's across the board.

They're hard on games, and try to critique them to others in the genre and their past games. By no means is 7.5 a bad score, if you read the review FAQ it says it's a GOOD game, not bad. A 9+ is a game that is almost perfect, something that R & C certainly is not.

Non-Seq

I don't buy that. They rated Halo a 9 something and the game isn't even worth it.

Halo 3 improved upon it's prequels vastly, and offered an almost unlimited amount of replay value.

They have just as much of a right to criticize the review as gamespot has a right to criticize the game.

Considering gameranking says R&c is 90% well that only supports their comment. Not to mention "too much variety" is a pretty lame negative point to give a game. Sorry you change up the gameplay too much..I want to be bored and do nothing but shoot for 6 hours non stop. Come on now.

Bread_or_Decide

Ever heard of the saying "Jack of all, Master of None" (Well i think it goes something like that) which may apply here (don't know yet, havn't had time to rent the game) and if true, it is a very big negative point. It would more or less mean that the game feels like a series of mini-games (Mario Party FTW) instead of a proper Platformer.

[QUOTE="Zero-G_basic"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

Here's what the dev team looks like:

:( :cry:

Tough up men.

Dreams-Visions

...because they're unprofessional? emo? upset that some aren't worshiping their product?

Oh, give me a break. You are putting in a lot of faith in this Aaron Thomas guy over everyone else. You guys must be pals. Oh wait, you're just another fanboy.

[QUOTE="Non-Seq"][QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"]

All I can say is this, Gamespot was one of the only sites to review TP correctly when almost everyone else gave it 10's across the board. With that being said, I find Gamespot's score to be more trust worthy as they DON'T hand out 10's across the board.

They're hard on games, and try to critique them to others in the genre and their past games. By no means is 7.5 a bad score, if you read the review FAQ it says it's a GOOD game, not bad. A 9+ is a game that is almost perfect, something that R & C certainly is not.

Donkey_Puncher

I don't buy that. They rated Halo a 9 something and the game isn't even worth it.

Halo 3 improved upon it's prequels vastly, and offered an almost unlimited amount of replay value.

Halo 3 improved upon a lot? Really? It just feels like Halo 2 with better graphics with a little bit more features. Oh, sounds like it has more variety over its predecessors, who reviewed Halo 3 again?

This thread rules. Honestly, I can't believe how crazy the Cows get over a review, including cow developers. Aaron is my new hero. I want him reviewing all big new releases for no other reason than the entertainment value I will get from the reactions. Even on last weeks GFW podcast over at 1up, a podcast made up of editors of a PC gaming magazine, the editors were amazed at cow reaction to the 1up and GS scores. I think Gamespot should use this thread in the advertisements for Gamespot Complete membership as reason to join because you can read this insanity advertisement free.

Condescending rant to BreadDreams-Visions

I don't blame them for calling out GS. Bad review on Aarons part. It's funny how people on this site think you can only go by GS reviews, who cares what they think? Most of the time GS is in the minority in reviews. They look like fools. The best part about this site is the forums, that's all. SuperMaWiiOH

In System Wars, we go by Gamespot scores only. Gamespot even gives you the score other reviewers are.

Fission Mailed.

They should've sent him a review guide. BlueBarad

Hehehe.... classic.

ButI have to agree with the Dev teams "Play more sports games" comment about a certianreviewers take on variety. Worst complaint ever.

[QUOTE="-Serpahim-"]I find it funny that people tell cows "Its just an Opinion! Get Over it!" and yet here we are...going all crazy because of Insomniac's opinion of Gamespot.....iunderstand

The article was posted by "squallff8_fan".

Why are cows making threads in an open forum about this topic if they didn't want to discuss it?

The review was posted by Aaron Thomas on a public Website. Why is Aaron posting reviews on a public website which happens to have forums that encourage disussions?

[QUOTE="SuperMaWiiOH"]I don't blame them for calling out GS. Bad review on Aarons part. It's funny how people on this site think you can only go by GS reviews, who cares what they think? Most of the time GS is in the minority in reviews. They look like fools. The best part about this site is the forums, that's all. Udsen

In System Wars, we go by Gamespot scores only. Gamespot even gives you the score other reviewers are.

Fission Mailed.

Well in the real world, which is what matters, R&C is viewed as a must have game for the PS3. In the real world R&C is an established franchise which made a great debut on the PS3, no matter what GS trys to say. Game Rankings puts GS to shame. It's funny to see all the games GS scores low, while everyone else scores high.

[QUOTE="iunderstand"]

[QUOTE="-Serpahim-"]I find it funny that people tell cows "Its just an Opinion! Get Over it!" and yet here we are...going all crazy because of Insomniac's opinion of Gamespot.....-Serpahim-

The article was posted by "squallff8_fan".

Why are cows making threads in an open forum about this topic if they didn't want to discuss it?

The review was posted by Aaron Thomas on a public Website. Why is Aaron posting reviews on a public website which happens to have forums that encourage disussions?

I don't know, because he gets payed to do that by the people who read their reviews and support the site with ad revenue?

Just a shot in the dark.

Well in the real world...SuperMaWiiOH

[QUOTE="Udsen"]

[QUOTE="SuperMaWiiOH"]I don't blame them for calling out GS. Bad review on Aarons part. It's funny how people on this site think you can only go by GS reviews, who cares what they think? Most of the time GS is in the minority in reviews. They look like fools. The best part about this site is the forums, that's all. SuperMaWiiOH

In System Wars, we go by Gamespot scores only. Gamespot even gives you the score other reviewers are.

Fission Mailed.

Well in the real world, which is what matters, R&C is viewed as a must have game for the PS3. In the real world R&C is an established franchise which made a great debut on the PS3, no matter what GS trys to say. Game Rankings puts GS to shame. It's funny to see all the games GS scores low, while everyone else scores high.

But, you're in System Wars, not the real world.

It's funny to see all the games GS scores low, while everyone else scores high.

SuperMaWiiOH

Gamespot gives PS3 more AAA's than Gamerankings does, if I remember correctly.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! taken from the Webster's ll dictionary: Valid: Founded on TRUTH or FACTS. Well, with that said and taken from most of the other sites, it would seem that his review is as far from the truth as possible as we all know that reviews are opinions so who can say anyones review is valid??!?!!!! Do you know what truth and facts mean??!!?! Everything that isn't in an opinion that's for sure. So if Aaron's opinion about r&c was "valid" then going by the definition of the word that i have given to you then this game shouldn't be receiving any 8's, 8.5's, and 9's (heck even 10's in some situations) and shouldn't have not 1 positive review at all, but as you know, in this particular situation it's the total opposite, so not only i, but alot of others find Aaron's review to be invalid as well

p.s. are you sure it's me who needs to go back to school??!?!?!!!

ermacness

Their complaints ARE valid.

The question isn't whether their complaints are real because they are. The question is to what degree the game should be punished for said faults.

It's all in the eye of the beholder, ultimately. But if people can't deal with the FACT that R&C is ridiculously easy...and that someone may think that's a problem...I don't know what to tell you.

Wow, it's one guys opinion. Too bad, get over it. Fignewton50

that persons opinion represents a whole website which thousands of people read - they have more reason than you think to be annoyed.

[QUOTE="SuperMaWiiOH"]

It's funny to see all the games GS scores low, while everyone else scores high.

Newnab

Gamespot gives PS3 more AAA's than Gamerankings does, if I remember correctly.

Yes. GameSpot has given the PS3 3 AAAs and the Wii 2 AAAs. On Game Rankings PS3 has 2 AAAs(with 1 teetering closely to AA) and 3 AAAs for the Wii.

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="Zero-G_basic"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

Here's what the dev team looks like:

:( :cry:

Tough up men.

sainraja

...because they're unprofessional? emo? upset that some aren't worshiping their product?

Oh, give me a break. You are putting in a lot of faith in this Aaron Thomas guy over everyone else. You guys must be pals. Oh wait, you're just another fanboy.

I'm not putting faith in anyone. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. People need to get over themselves. Everyone will not like a game. You trying to call me names because I respect someone having their own opinion won't make that reality any less valid. Maybe it makes you feel better, but it doesn't affect me in the slightest. I know who I am.

i do take respect to his opinion but i DO NOT find it valid because his review isn't founded on truth or facts. It's all opinion and with this he is in the minorities who shares a somewhat dissapointing opinion about this game
ermacness

Uh if you respect it, it has to be valid. You have no idea what you're talking about.

[QUOTE="Fignewton50"]Wow, it's one guys opinion. Too bad, get over it. geodisicdome

that persons opinion represents a whole website which thousands of people read - they have more reason than you think to be annoyed.

Ebert & Roper have a lot of pull too. Should every movie producer and actor in a film that they don't give "2 Thumbs Up!" to go blog the world about it? Attack Roper for not being as good as Siskel? Attack Ebert because he's overweight?

Oh, they don't?

Oh...because they're professionals.

[QUOTE="-Serpahim-"][QUOTE="iunderstand"]

[QUOTE="-Serpahim-"]I find it funny that people tell cows "Its just an Opinion! Get Over it!" and yet here we are...going all crazy because of Insomniac's opinion of Gamespot.....iunderstand

The article was posted by "squallff8_fan".

Why are cows making threads in an open forum about this topic if they didn't want to discuss it?

The review was posted by Aaron Thomas on a public Website. Why is Aaron posting reviews on a public website which happens to have forums that encourage disussions?

I don't know, because he gets payed to do that by the people who read their reviews and support the site with ad revenue?

Just a shot in the dark.

yeah, then why do lemmings complain when people complain about the score? If GS didnt want us to share our opinions about anything relating to Gamespot, they wouldnt have given us forums. I just think its hypocritical that its ok for people to bash Insomniac because of their opinion of a game website, while its wrong to bash GS for its opinion on a game. Its either all OK or its all wrong.

[QUOTE="ermacness"]i do take respect to his opinion but i DO NOT find it valid because his review isn't founded on truth or facts. It's all opinion and with this he is in the minorities who shares a somewhat dissapointing opinion about this game
Udsen

Uh if you respect it, it has to be valid. You have no idea what you're talking about.

he probably didn't write his opinion well.

He respects the fact that the man is entitled to his opinion, but he probably doesn't think the amount of punishment the game was dealt here because of the deficiencies is out of balance.

That's a fair question...but as has been said, "to each their own".