Ratchet and Clank Team rips on Aaron Thomas (gamespot) Review

Boohoo we created a generic action platformer, with no online functions or splitsreen multiplayer and Gamespot reviewed it fairly :)Bazfrag

Why would a platformer need to be online? Deadlock had a terrible online IMO, and the splitscreen multiplayer sucked. There's not much you can do outside a single player game for a platformer.

RFOM 2 is going to get a 7.5 now LOL i think they should have kept there mouths shut, it might work out better for there future games.

[QUOTE="iunderstand"][QUOTE="-Serpahim-"][QUOTE="iunderstand"]

[QUOTE="-Serpahim-"]I find it funny that people tell cows "Its just an Opinion! Get Over it!" and yet here we are...going all crazy because of Insomniac's opinion of Gamespot.....-Serpahim-

The article was posted by "squallff8_fan".

Why are cows making threads in an open forum about this topic if they didn't want to discuss it?

The review was posted by Aaron Thomas on a public Website. Why is Aaron posting reviews on a public website which happens to have forums that encourage disussions?

I don't know, because he gets payed to do that by the people who read their reviews and support the site with ad revenue?

Just a shot in the dark.

yeah, then why do lemmings complain when people complain about the score? If GS didnt want us to share our opinions about anything relating to Gamespot, they wouldnt have given us forums. I just think its hypocritical that its ok for people to bash Insomniac because of their opinion of a game website, while its wrong to bash GS for its opinion on a game. Its either all OK or its all wrong.

There is a difference between sharing an opinion and envoking conspiracy theories and calling people idiots.

Maybe you should read through the official thread.

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

Here's what the dev team looks like:

:( :cry:

Tough up men.

Zero-G_basic

Bad reviews = bad sales. Review are to get a second opinion before you go either waste or buy your money's worth.

[QUOTE="iunderstand"]

I don't know, because he gets payed to do that by the people who read their reviews and support the site with ad revenue?

Just a shot in the dark.

-Serpahim-

yeah, then why do lemmings complain when people complain about the score? If GS didnt want us to share our opinions about anything relating to Gamespot, they wouldnt have given us forums. I just think its hypocritical that its ok for people to bash Insomniac because of their opinion of a game website, while its wrong to bash GS for its opinion on a game. Its either all OK or its all wrong.

Because a forum is where users discuss topics, not post their own opinion and simply walk away. If you want to do that I'd suggest email this to GS next time because if you don't want to discuss it we don't care.

Wow, I expected more maturity from Insomniac.Verge_6

[QUOTE="xTHExJUICEx"][QUOTE="Udsen"][QUOTE="xTHExJUICEx"]

[QUOTE="Udsen"]Hey Insomniac, go make more mediocre FPS' and weak platformers.Udsen

Ignorance is strong in this one.

Just listen to the podcast, I dont think theyre loosing any sleep over it.

They singled out Gamespot because of their review. Sounds like babies. "Just listen to the podcast" "UGH JUST LISTEN 2 TEH PODCAST" No, noob. Insomniac is a bunch of hooting babies.

I can point out one baby just by reading here...I'll give you a hint, it isn't Insomniac.

[QUOTE="ermacness"]LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! taken from the Webster's ll dictionary: Valid: Founded on TRUTH or FACTS. Well, with that said and taken from most of the other sites, it would seem that his review is as far from the truth as possible as we all know that reviews are opinions so who can say anyones review is valid??!?!!!! Do you know what truth and facts mean??!!?! Everything that isn't in an opinion that's for sure. So if Aaron's opinion about r&c was "valid" then going by the definition of the word that i have given to you then this game shouldn't be receiving any 8's, 8.5's, and 9's (heck even 10's in some situations) and shouldn't have not 1 positive review at all, but as you know, in this particular situation it's the total opposite, so not only i, but alot of others find Aaron's review to be invalid as well

p.s. are you sure it's me who needs to go back to school??!?!?!!!

Dreams-Visions

Their complaints ARE valid.

The question isn't whether their complaints are real because they are. The question is to what degree the game should be punished for said faults.

It's all in the eye of the beholder, ultimately. But if people can't deal with the FACT that R&C is ridiculously easy...and that someone may think that's a problem...I don't know what to tell you.

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

To any who calls Insomniac guys cry babies.

Um...your on a website..arguing about video games and crying about scores. And THEY'RE the cry babies? Your defending machines...they're defending their hard work....big difference.

Dreams-Visions

Hey maybe you didn't notice...but they're professionals.

Do you understand that there is a difference? :|

They have just as much of a right to criticize the review as gamespot has a right to criticize the game.

Okay. You don't understand business or professionalism at all. There are ways to do things and there are ways not to. And if you didn't notice, they're not criticizing the review; they're criticizing the reviewer. It was an attack. If you can't see that...or that a reviewer is entitled to their opinion whether they like it or not...you are not a professional either.

And that's okay. But don't then, presume to discuss matters of professionalism. It's clearly not a realm you spend much time in at this point in your life.

As a professional for the last 7 years, I'd laugh at anyone in or around my industry that were to do this kind of juvenile stunt. They'd probably be fired.

It's one thing to address concerns, young man. It's qutie another to attack someone who's not as in love with your product as you are. They need to get over themselves and grow the hell up. Welcome to reality, where there's no Santa...no Willie Wonka factory...and not everyone will like you just because you have a lot of friends that do.

Their tears are laughable. How pathetic is it to even worry about average review in a sea of really good ones? I guess the same reason they couldn't handle GameSpot's 8.8 for Resistance.

FaIL.

I don't think anything they said was unprofessional. Its not like they resorted to name calling. Juvenile stunt? A two sentence comment on a review is hardly a stunt. Aren't you blowing this way out of proportion?

Tears? Again, exaggeration won't help your argument and then again your the one who claims to be this big time professional. Well professionals dont exaggerate the truth to help their argument on an internet forum. I know perfectly well how to behave in a place of work and to ones clients.

Critics get no such high status. They're just critics. They don't make anything they just get the priveledge to sh*t all over other peoples hard work.

I can see where Insomniac can't ever say anything like that to Sony but to critics? Gimme a break. Thats the problem with critics: their self important pretentious status.

[QUOTE="GIJames248"]

Bungie was annoyed by the critiques of Halo 3 graphical prowess or (in some peoples opinions) lack thereof. I think they issued a statement defending their art direction which is quite different from what they were critiqued for. So obviously devs do care about their games reviews.

BlueBarad

Link or it didn't happen.

you don't remember the article here in which Bungie made their "tin foil hat" statement at those who made a big deal out of Halo 3 not being HD?

[QUOTE="ermacness"]i do take respect to his opinion but i DO NOT find it valid because his review isn't founded on truth or facts. It's all opinion and with this he is in the minorities who shares a somewhat dissapointing opinion about this game
Udsen

Uh if you respect it, it has to be valid. You have no idea what you're talking about.

Was it a good game?

Yeah it was

Was it an easy game?

Yeah it was

Now that I am finished it do I plan to go right back and play it again?

No I don't

Was a 7.5 overly harsh?

Yeah a little

Is 9.0 too high a score?

Yes it is.

The game is a SOLID 8.0 - 8.5 but anything beyond or below that is crazy.

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="ermacness"]LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! taken from the Webster's ll dictionary: Valid: Founded on TRUTH or FACTS. Well, with that said and taken from most of the other sites, it would seem that his review is as far from the truth as possible as we all know that reviews are opinions so who can say anyones review is valid??!?!!!! Do you know what truth and facts mean??!!?! Everything that isn't in an opinion that's for sure. So if Aaron's opinion about r&c was "valid" then going by the definition of the word that i have given to you then this game shouldn't be receiving any 8's, 8.5's, and 9's (heck even 10's in some situations) and shouldn't have not 1 positive review at all, but as you know, in this particular situation it's the total opposite, so not only i, but alot of others find Aaron's review to be invalid as well

p.s. are you sure it's me who needs to go back to school??!?!?!!!

ermacness

Their complaints ARE valid.

The question isn't whether their complaints are real because they are. The question is to what degree the game should be punished for said faults.

It's all in the eye of the beholder, ultimately. But if people can't deal with the FACT that R&C is ridiculously easy...and that someone may think that's a problem...I don't know what to tell you.

You're bloody annoying with all this "?!?!?!?!" and "!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" crap. Anyways, I think the story in R&C is unbearably horrible, my opinion is a valid opinion because I can justify it with the arguement that I find it uninteresting to say the least.

[QUOTE="Udsen"]

[QUOTE="ermacness"]i do take respect to his opinion but i DO NOT find it valid because his review isn't founded on truth or facts. It's all opinion and with this he is in the minorities who shares a somewhat dissapointing opinion about this game
ermacness

Uh if you respect it, it has to be valid. You have no idea what you're talking about.

If he did not justify his opinion, yeah it's invalid. He gave 1 full page of justification.

[QUOTE="-Serpahim-"][QUOTE="iunderstand"]

I don't know, because he gets payed to do that by the people who read their reviews and support the site with ad revenue?

Just a shot in the dark.

iunderstand

yeah, then why do lemmings complain when people complain about the score? If GS didnt want us to share our opinions about anything relating to Gamespot, they wouldnt have given us forums. I just think its hypocritical that its ok for people to bash Insomniac because of their opinion of a game website, while its wrong to bash GS for its opinion on a game. Its either all OK or its all wrong.

Because a forum is where users discuss topics, not post their own opinion and simply walk away. If you want to do that I'd suggest email this to GS next time because if you don't want to discuss it we don't care.

Ok, im not sure i understand your post completley but i'll try to answer you as accurately as possible.

To the best of my knowledge, Insomniac's comments were made on a podcast. Much like Aaron Thomas comments were made on a (video) review. So if you are talking about making comments and walking out, you should equally be bashing Aaron Thomas for not posting his review up then coming to gamespot forums and discussing it with the rest of us.

Secondly, Lemmings complain that cows are bashing gamespot because of its review and they should get over it. After all its just an opinion. Thats a fair enough assessment, and quite valid. So in light of this, Lemmings should follow their own rhetoric and stop complaing about cows voicing their opinions. And when you said "we don't care" I'm not sure what you mean. If I dont care about Hillary Duff's new album, I just dont buy it or listen to it. I dont start complaining about it. I just ignore it. The fact that you are posting in this topic means that you do indeed care, whether it be negativley or positively. You can always just skip the threads you dont want to read and post in another topic. Secondly, you aside, obviously people care which is why these threads keep comming up. And like you said, forums are for discussing, so whats your problem with cows discussing GS's review of R&C?

Gamespot tends torate games lower than everybody else.

Fact of life.

Get over it.

I think people are taking this way to seriously and exaggeration is running rampant in here. Settle down folks, they didn't insult your mother.Ibacai

System Wars is like fox news. I've never seen such a blatant stretching of the facts. They grab one tiny element of the story and just run with it. Its unbelievable.

I wonder how many awesome games gamespot has ever created...oh right..none. I'll side with Insomniac and their 90% gameranking score for R&C. Thanks.

[QUOTE="Ibacai"]I think people are taking this way to seriously and exaggeration is running rampant in here. Settle down folks, they didn't insult your mother.Bread_or_Decide

System Wars is like fox news. I've never seen such a blatant stretching of the facts. They grab one tiny element of the story and just run with it. Its unbelievable.

I wonder how many awesome games gamespot has ever created...oh right..none. I'll side with Insomniac and their 90% gameranking score for R&C. Thanks.

wat he said ^^

[QUOTE="ermacness"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="ermacness"]LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! taken from the Webster's ll dictionary: Valid: Founded on TRUTH or FACTS. Well, with that said and taken from most of the other sites, it would seem that his review is as far from the truth as possible as we all know that reviews are opinions so who can say anyones review is valid??!?!!!! Do you know what truth and facts mean??!!?! Everything that isn't in an opinion that's for sure. So if Aaron's opinion about r&c was "valid" then going by the definition of the word that i have given to you then this game shouldn't be receiving any 8's, 8.5's, and 9's (heck even 10's in some situations) and shouldn't have not 1 positive review at all, but as you know, in this particular situation it's the total opposite, so not only i, but alot of others find Aaron's review to be invalid as well

p.s. are you sure it's me who needs to go back to school??!?!?!!!

Udsen

Their complaints ARE valid.

The question isn't whether their complaints are real because they are. The question is to what degree the game should be punished for said faults.

It's all in the eye of the beholder, ultimately. But if people can't deal with the FACT that R&C is ridiculously easy...and that someone may think that's a problem...I don't know what to tell you.

You're bloody annoying with all this "?!?!?!?!" and "!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" crap. Anyways, I think the story in R&C is unbearably horrible, my opinion is a valid opinion because I can justify it with the arguement that I find it uninteresting to say the least.

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

Here's what the dev team looks like:

:( :cry:

Tough up men.

Zero-G_basic

ask a stupid question... lol people see reveiws then buy games...reviews effect sales

One of the reviews had sticked out to them which prompted the crew to say "If you hate variety, than you've got a problem.", "play more sports games", and "we will not mention the media outlet".

http://www.n4g.com/ps3/News-78986.aspx

Coming from a dev team that makes AAA titles, I dont blame them because Resistance Fall of Man and Ratchet And Clank Tools of Destruction deserve more credit and reason I point and say RFOM shouldve been AAA because of RFOM>>>>>>>>>PDZ, say what u like but its the honest truth.

squallff8_fan

Lol, what a bunch of babies! Wahhh! They didn't like our game. Wahhhhhh!

[QUOTE="iunderstand"]

Because a forum is where users discuss topics, not post their own opinion and simply walk away. If you want to do that I'd suggest email this to GS next time because if you don't want to discuss it we don't care.

-Serpahim-

Ok, im not sure i understand your post completley but i'll try to answer you as accurately as possible.

To the best of my knowledge, Insomniac's comments were made on a podcast. Much like Aaron Thomas comments were made on a (video) review. So if you are talking about making comments and walking out, you should equally be bashing Aaron Thomas for not posting his review up then coming to gamespot forums and discussing it with the rest of us.

Secondly, Lemmings complain that cows are bashing gamespot because of its review and they should get over it. After all its just an opinion. Thats a fair enough assessment, and quite valid. So in light of this, Lemmings should follow their own rhetoric and stop complaing about cows voicing their opinions. And when you said "we don't care" I'm not sure what you mean. If I dont care about Hillary Duff's new album, I just dont buy it or listen to it. I dont start complaining about it. I just ignore it. The fact that you are posting in this topic means that you do indeed care, whether it be negativley or positively. You can always just skip the threads you dont want to read and post in another topic. Secondly, you aside, obviously people care which is why these threads keep comming up. And like you said, forums are for discussing, so whats your problem with cows discussing GS's review of R&C?

GameSpot employees get paid to post reviews of games. They are professional reviewers that review games as objectively as possible and provide reasons for their scores. It isn't their job to go on forums and argue with people about their reviews, if you disagree with them stop going to the website and paying their salary.

Insomniac employees get paid to make games. They do this podcast of their own free will, any opinion they make on it is open to debate as they are doing it for their own personal pleasure.

The reason I care, is because there are about 4 or 5 posts on the front page of the forums talking about something that shouldn't even be an issue.

[QUOTE="squallff8_fan"]

One of the reviews had sticked out to them which prompted the crew to say "If you hate variety, than you've got a problem.", "play more sports games", and "we will not mention the media outlet".

http://www.n4g.com/ps3/News-78986.aspx

Coming from a dev team that makes AAA titles, I dont blame them because Resistance Fall of Man and Ratchet And Clank Tools of Destruction deserve more credit and reason I point and say RFOM shouldve been AAA because of RFOM>>>>>>>>>PDZ, say what u like but its the honest truth.

zero9167

PDZ came out a year before and was the first next gen shooter

zing zing zing!!!!! OMG! someone who finally understands! At the time PDZ was released, there was nothing else like it available on consoles. Great graphics, lots of weapons, good online play (infection and atk + defend gametypes ftw). If resistance was an xbox launch title instead of PDZ, resistance would be AAA for sure.

They can complain if they want, but it doesn't really help their image.Warfust

[QUOTE="ermacness"][QUOTE="Udsen"]

[QUOTE="ermacness"]i do take respect to his opinion but i DO NOT find it valid because his review isn't founded on truth or facts. It's all opinion and with this he is in the minorities who shares a somewhat dissapointing opinion about this game
Udsen

Uh if you respect it, it has to be valid. You have no idea what you're talking about.

If he did not justify his opinion, yeah it's invalid. He gave 1 full page of justification.

[QUOTE="Warfust"]They can complain if they want, but it doesn't really help their image.ragrdoll21

system wars doesn't want the truth. They've created what they want to believe and they are just going to run with it.

The truth has no place here.

I expected the R&C developers to say that they did a lousy job and that GS over rated it...really, I did :)

It's a review: get over it. These guys are worse than Hollywood crybabies. Does the Director go out of their way to bash a reviewer or two when they don't get 5 stars? Yep, Speilberg gets 4-5 stars from 95% of reviewers, but picks up the phone when a critic scores him a 3.5 stars???? LMAO. I don't think so.

Crybabies. Children. Grow up lil developers or the big bad world is going to eat you alive.

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

To any who calls Insomniac guys cry babies.

Um...your on a website..arguing about video games and crying about scores. And THEY'RE the cry babies? Your defending machines...they're defending their hard work....big difference.

Bread_or_Decide

Hey maybe you didn't notice...but they're professionals.

Do you understand that there is a difference? :|

They have just as much of a right to criticize the review as gamespot has a right to criticize the game.

Okay. You don't understand business or professionalism at all. There are ways to do things and there are ways not to. And if you didn't notice, they're not criticizing the review; they're criticizing the reviewer. It was an attack. If you can't see that...or that a reviewer is entitled to their opinion whether they like it or not...you are not a professional either.

And that's okay. But don't then, presume to discuss matters of professionalism. It's clearly not a realm you spend much time in at this point in your life.

As a professional for the last 7 years, I'd laugh at anyone in or around my industry that were to do this kind of juvenile stunt. They'd probably be fired.

It's one thing to address concerns, young man. It's qutie another to attack someone who's not as in love with your product as you are. They need to get over themselves and grow the hell up. Welcome to reality, where there's no Santa...no Willie Wonka factory...and not everyone will like you just because you have a lot of friends that do.

Their tears are laughable. How pathetic is it to even worry about average review in a sea of really good ones? I guess the same reason they couldn't handle GameSpot's 8.8 for Resistance.

FaIL.

I don't think anything they said was unprofessional. Its not like they resorted to name calling. Juvenile stunt? A two sentence comment on a review is hardly a stunt. Aren't you blowing this way out of proportion?

Tears? Again, exaggeration won't help your argument and then again your the one who claims to be this big time professional. Well professionals dont exaggerate the truth to help their argument on an internet forum. I know perfectly well how to behave in a place of work and to ones clients.

Critics get no such high status. They're just critics. They don't make anything they just get the priveledge to sh*t all over other peoples hard work.

I can see where Insomniac can't ever say anything like that to Sony but to critics? Gimme a break. Thats the problem with critics: their self important pretentious status.

It was an attack. But since we're discussing it in a vacuum, it probably is being blown out of proportion.

the rest, I can't disagree with you on.

Gamespot tends torate games lower than everybody else.

Fact of life.

Get over it.

t3hTwinky

Is that why Conan got a 7.5 too?

Ratchet
Gamespot - 7.5
Metacritic - 9.0

Conan
Gamespot - 7.5
Metacritic - 6.7

If they're gonna be harsh they have to be consistantly harsh.

[QUOTE="t3hTwinky"]

Gamespot tends torate games lower than everybody else.

Fact of life.

Get over it.

InsaneBasura

Is that why Conan got a 7.5 too?

Ratchet
Gamespot - 7.5
Metacritic - 9.0

Conan
Gamespot - 7.5
Metacritic - 6.7

If they're gonna be harsh they have to be consistantly harsh.

That's why they'd benefit from the GameInformer "2nd opinion" or EGM "3 opinions" approach.

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

Here's what the dev team looks like:

:( :cry:

Tough up men.

Zero-G_basic

Gamespot is a popular site and their reviews do have an impact on people's decision on whether or not to buy. A lot of people decide to buy a game regardless of the review score, but for others that are not as excited about the game, the review would help them make a final decision. For example, with me, I wanted to get Black when I first saw the previews, but then the review came out and I decided against buying it. Not that the review score was really bad but it wasn't high enough, especially since at that time, next gen consoles were on the horizon (or were they out already?).

[QUOTE="BlueBarad"]They should've sent him a review guide. Stonin

lol.

The score here was a little on the low side but lets face it, the game isn't really all that now is it. The same applies to RFOM, it is a great game in its own way but at the time it released (a year after PDZ) it didn't bring anything new.

The awesome weaponry in RFOM and TOD is new enough for me. Not to mention, R&C has a bunch of variety with a huge assortment of weapons,gadgets, etc, looks great, sounds great, good characters, not the best story but still good

GameSpot employees get paid to post reviews of games. They are professional reviewers that review games as objectively as possible and provide reasons for their scores. It isn't their job to go on forums and argue with people about their reviews, if you disagree with them stop going to the website and paying their salary.

Insomniac employees get paid to make games. They do this podcast of their own free will, any opinion they make on it is open to debate as they are doing it for their own personal pleasure.

The reason I care, is because there are about 4 or 5 posts on the front page of the forums talking about something that shouldn't even be an issue.

iunderstand

About you not caring, you act like you have to click on those 4-5 threads. Just dont click on them! By clicking on them and posting in them, you are helping to keep them bumped thus prolonging their life spans. So by coming in here and whining you are acutally making the situation worse. Ignore them and let people that care about them post in them. I mean, do you go into a stranger's house and complain about his furniture? Obviously not, because you are under no obligation to be in his house, therefore u are under no obligation to even look at his furniture. (and if you do walk into stranger's houses and complain about their furniture...u have issues :| )

Secondly I have sum things i would like clarification on. Are you saying that Its ok to discuss Insomniac's opinions because they are not paid to give opinions , but its not ok to discuss gamespots review because they are paid to review games?

[QUOTE="Non-Seq"]

[QUOTE="Fignewton50"]Wow, it's one guys opinion. Too bad, get over it. Fignewton50

There's a difference between opinion and bias.

By the content of the complaints. If they are ludicrous, it is bias.

About you not caring, you act like you have to click on those 4-5 threads. Just dont click on them! By clicking on them and posting in them, you are helping to keep them bumped thus prolonging their life spans. So by coming in here and whining you are acutally making the situation worse. Ignore them and let people that care about them post in them. I mean, do you go into a stranger's house and complain about his furniture? Obviously not, because you are under no obligation to be in his house, therefore u are under no obligation to even look at his furniture. (and if you do walk into stranger's houses and complain about their furniture...u have issues :| )

Secondly I have sum things i would like clarification on. Are you saying that Its ok to discuss Insomniac's opinions because they are not paid to give opinions , but its not ok to discuss gamespots review because they are paid to review games?

-Serpahim-

I don't care if you want to discuss GameSpot's review, that's fine. Comments like Aaron Thomas is *** and needs to be fired or attacking his blog however is something else entirely. As well, in System Wars we have decided to use GameSpot's reviews to judge games. Arguing that GameRankings only counts when a game you were hyping flops on GS is sad. If you are using these forums, you already agree to use GameSpot's reviews when determining the gamescore.

Why should I care if there are threads talking about porn or threads talking about racism in System Wars? Well because it litters the forum and is unpleasant to the people posting.

DV

I kinda doubt they actually give a ****. In the context of the full podcast they make two wisecracking comments and then move on to other things for 30 minutes or whatever. Like for instance how glad they are the majority really digged the game. Like many of us they just think Aaron's criticism was ridiculous. Identity crisis wut? He does have one valid complaint. but in most cases here on Gamespot, something like a difficulty issue does not affect the score to such a degree. See Devil May Cry 3 (RIP Greg). Ooh, I remember how the cows used to whine about that.

They're playing Uncharted...damn them.

[QUOTE="SuperMaWiiOH"]

It's funny to see all the games GS scores low, while everyone else scores high.

Newnab

Gamespot gives PS3 more AAA's than Gamerankings does, if I remember correctly.

Yeah, games that also happen to be on the 360.