RE5 Reflects "Political Correctness"

[QUOTE="Fire-of-Njozi"][QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]Who cares? Honestly do people know that the japanese are a complete diverse culture from us? I mean Just because one blog points out racism everyone is on the bandwagon. I mean it's the Japanese COMMON peopleAnimal-Mother

[QUOTE="Fire-of-Njozi"]...not to be a party-pooper, but Japan has racial issues of its own, to be sure. lots.foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="Fire-of-Njozi"][QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] Defiantly, but who cares, as long as we all know were not racist what's the problem. I mean i've created multiple threads on this issue, and people who care are just racist themselves. I can run over any ethnicity in GTA they get away with it. But the Japanese who create an intricate story line and just because the people are african american due to the location it's a problemAnimal-Mother

I think your slip-up is relevant evidence of PC's destructive nature in regards to the interaction between different cultures. In which case, Japan's way of addressing Africa through a videogame is being criticized by Americans and therefore, people start perceiving the Africans as African Americans and then associate the game's scenario with extraneous cultural issues.

The odds or an emotional avalanche are stacked against Capcom and RE5.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="Fire-of-Njozi"]...not to be a party-pooper, but Japan has racial issues of its own, to be sure. lots.Fire-of-Njozi

Japan is ridiculous.

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]No country? No country whatsoever?Pariah_001

Um, what?!

I say "What?!" for two different reasons:

1) Where are you getting this information from, and why do you insist you're correct when you've probably never been to Africa? Yes, black people are the predominant ethnicity, but they're the equivalent of white people in America or England. I presume that you believe both of those countries are racially diverse. Not only would you know that Europe is racially diverse since the turn of the century, you would also know that they were originally diverse before colonization. You would know some as Slavs, Anglo-Celts, and Latinos. That being said, Africa is similar. It's not all just one big black blob. This isn't the 1900s anymore, it's the year 2009. It's not "the Dark Continent" anymore. Mainland Africa has several races from the South, the Middle, and the North that look distinctly different, and have had contact with people from the Middle East all the way from Asia as well.

2) I've noticed for a long time a trend in your posts, where certain words that could have been used appropriately on a video game forum are replaced by some seriously unrhythmic synonyms that even most postgraduates avoid at all costs. It's like you've got a thesaurus at hand to place big words in complex sentences that border on the nonsensical. You might wanna tone it down because to the people that know English, it sounds kinda funny; "...generally diverse country is a ridiculous sentiment," is a bit too try hard.

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This isn't a Resident Evil slant, so if you arguing for the art direction taken in Capcom, that's really not much an issue here. But man, I thought everyone knew Africa was pretty bloody diverse.

I feel like I'm the only one reading this thread that just honestly didn't feel like sitting there with my finger on the screen counting how many different ethnicities I can find on the screen. I was too busy actually playing the game.

I did however notice that the ratio of blacks versus other ethnicities in the cut scenes are far higher than in the gameplay segments. They must've made the cut scenes back when they released the first few previews.

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="Fire-of-Njozi"]
Indeed. They are especially not fond of people of African descent. Yet its mostly a bunch of Westerners crying "racism."Pariah_001

I hate editing HTML on this website. I lost half my post. AGAIN.

I'm surprised I haven't heard anyone complain about Chris's side kick. For a supposed native of Africa, she looks an awful lot like a white chick with a sun tan. She's got light skin, very Anglo-Saxon looking facial features, and silky straight hair. If Capcom really wanted us to believe she's supposed to be black, they should have at least given her a darker skin color and a more African-looking haircut.Timstuff

[QUOTE="Pariah_001"][QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]No country? No country whatsoever?FrozenLiquid

ZOMG You said "bit to try hard" instead of "try bit to hard" which makes your point irrelevent which means you Self-PwnT yourself pretty hard

....Sorry I couldn't contain myself:oops:

ZOMG You said "bit to try hard" instead of "try bit to hard" which makes your point irrelevent which means you Self-PwnT yourself pretty hard

....Sorry I couldn't contain myself:oops:

Synthetic_NinJI

[QUOTE="Timstuff"]I'm surprised I haven't heard anyone complain about Chris's side kick. For a supposed native of Africa, she looks an awful lot like a white chick with a sun tan. She's got light skin, very Anglo-Saxon looking facial features, and silky straight hair. If Capcom really wanted us to believe she's supposed to be black, they should have at least given her a darker skin color and a more African-looking haircut.Lewisite

[QUOTE="Synthetic_NinJI"]

ZOMG You said "bit to try hard" instead of "try bit to hard" which makes your point irrelevent which means you Self-PwnT yourself pretty hard

....Sorry I couldn't contain myself:oops:

FrozenLiquid

she does not appear to be of any specially mixed descent, actually. not at all. she looks like a black woman with a perm/relaxed/flat iorned hair. not unlike my ex-girlfriend. and yes, she looks great.Fire-of-Njozi

You can see what you see, and I will see what I see.;)

To me* she looks more white than black. Not that either is a bad thing by any means.

[QUOTE="Soulja_West"][QUOTE="crazymaghie123"]

When I first saw the resident evil 5 trailer, it looked awesome. I never understood the whole controversy over killing blacks because I felt there was plenty of games that had done before. It especially bothered me since there would be no problem if it was a black protagonist killing white only enemies. About six or so months ago I saw a trailer of the game with a few white enemies and I was ok with that but the demo I played today was borderline ridiculous! You would be killing mobs and out would come an asian guy, a middle eastern guy, and a italian guy that resembled Mario. This is supposed to be the slums of Africa and we have asians and italians? Give me a break. The game played great and I enjoyed it but these pathetic attempts towards a more politically correct game are just absurd.

crazymaghie123

Yes I do. This is supposed to be an African Slum though which for the most part is Blacks especially since it resembles a Kenyan slum. The original version of the game had only blacks too, but has since been modified to fit in with our politically correct environment. Instead of adding a few white guys in, they added asians, italians, and other races too that were completely unnecessary.

To me* she looks more white than black. Not that either is a bad thing by any means.Lewisite

[QUOTE="Lewisite"][QUOTE="Timstuff"]I'm surprised I haven't heard anyone complain about Chris's side kick. For a supposed native of Africa, she looks an awful lot like a white chick with a sun tan. She's got light skin, very Anglo-Saxon looking facial features, and silky straight hair. If Capcom really wanted us to believe she's supposed to be black, they should have at least given her a darker skin color and a more African-looking haircut.Fire-of-Njozi

[QUOTE="crazymaghie123"][QUOTE="Soulja_West"] Blacks aren't the only people that live in Africa. You do know that right?mgsbethatgame

Yes I do. This is supposed to be an African Slum though which for the most part is Blacks especially since it resembles a Kenyan slum. The original version of the game had only blacks too, but has since been modified to fit in with our politically correct environment. Instead of adding a few white guys in, they added asians, italians, and other races too that were completely unnecessary.

1) Where are you getting this information from, and why do you insist you're correct when you've probably never been to Africa?

Am I to assume that you've been to Africa and feel empowered enough to lecture me on not ever being in Africa and seeing that the more rural areas are rich in diversity?

Yes, black people are the predominant ethnicityFrozenLiquid

Thank you for repeating my point....My only point....The one that doesn't assume anymore than it should.

I presume that you believe both of those countries are racially diverse. Not only would you know that Europe is racially diverse since the turn of the century, you would also know that they were originally diverse before colonization. You would know some as Slavs, Anglo-Celts, and Latinos. That being said, Africa is similar. It's not all just one big black blob. This isn't the 1900s anymore, it's the year 2009. Mainland Africa has several races from the South, the Middle, and the North that look distinctly different, and have had contact with people all the way from Asia as well.FrozenLiquid

Region-wise, minorities in Africa are more consolidated than in America. I don't know about Europe.

2) I've noticed for a long time a trend in your posts, where certain words that could have been used appropriately on a video game forum are replaced by some seriously unrhythmic synonyms that even most postgraduates avoid at all costs. It's like you've got a thesaurus at hand to place big words in complex sentences that border on the nonsensical. You might wanna tone it down because to the people that know English, it sounds kinda funny; "...generally diverse country is a ridiculous sentiment," is a bit too try hard.FrozenLiquid

Okay...My English professors never thought so. And I'm honestly not sure why you find that sentence so complicated. But whatever.

[QUOTE="Lewisite"]To me* she looks more white than black. Not that either is a bad thing by any means.Fire-of-Njozi

What happened to you retiring from this convo?:lol:

And that is definitely not what I think of in my mind when I think of a stereotypical "black woman". All I was saying is that she is very lightskinned and reminded me of a "white" girl more than a black one.

Anyways, why does my opinion on this even matter to you? I am not completely sure what you are trying to prove by arguing with me.

For that matter I am not even sure what I am trying to prove.

[QUOTE="Synthetic_NinJI"][QUOTE="Fire-of-Njozi"] she does not appear to be of any specially mixed descent, actually. not at all. she looks like a black woman with a perm/relaxed/flat iorned hair. not unlike my ex-girlfriend. and yes, she looks great.gamefan67

For that matter I am not even sure what I am trying to prove.Lewisite

[QUOTE="Lewisite"]For that matter I am not even sure what I am trying to prove.Synthetic_NinJI

I was just stating my opinion on how I think she looks more "white" than black. Does that bother you for some reason?

[QUOTE="Fire-of-Njozi"][QUOTE="Lewisite"]To me* she looks more white than black. Not that either is a bad thing by any means.Lewisite

What happened to you retiring from this convo?:lol:

And that is definitely not what I think of in my mind when I think of a stereotypical "black woman". All I was saying is that she is very lightskinned and reminded me of a "white" girl more than a black one.

Anyways, why does my opinion on this even matter to you? I am not completely sure what you are trying to prove by arguing with me.

For that matter I am not even sure what I am trying to prove.

This kind of thread is quite pointless and it just becomes a nest for ppl to argue about races. It doesn't matter how racially diverse Africa is nowadays, Capcom clearly chickened out after the negative backlash from a certain group of ppl about the game. It doesn't make a difference to me in this case, but censoring something because of what a butthurt group is going to say is always lame and it could be worse.Dystopian-X

1.) she is not light. lol. she's not Kevin Garnett dark...but then again, most Africans are not. She is not unusual in that regard at all. And certainly not venturing towards being white. lol. She's a nice shade of mocha. 2.) you're right. I said I'm out. I'll take my leave now. But understand...she's quite black in style, design and presentation. Quite authentic. I'll thank you to not make her something that she's not in order for her to be more palatable to you. that's a wee bit...well...you figure it out. adjust your understanding of blackness. thanks.Fire-of-Njozi

Yeah, sorry bro but that all went in one ear and right out the other. She still looks white to me. :)

Not sure why you even care what I think anyways.

Have a nice night!

1[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]2) I've noticed for a long time a trend in your posts, where certain words that could have been used appropriately on a video game forum are replaced by some seriously unrhythmic synonyms that even most postgraduates avoid at all costs. It's like you've got a thesaurus at hand to place big words in complex sentences that border on the nonsensical. You might wanna tone it down because to the people that know English, it sounds kinda funny; "...generally diverse country is a ridiculous sentiment," is a bit too try hard.Pariah_001

Okay...My English professors never thought so. And I'm honestly not sure why you find that sentence so complicated. But whatever.

Academic writing is a far cry from the conversational English we use on the forums.

[QUOTE="Synthetic_NinJI"][QUOTE="Lewisite"]For that matter I am not even sure what I am trying to prove.Lewisite

I was just stating my opinion on how I think she looks more "white" than black. Does that bother you for some reason?

[QUOTE="Synthetic_NinJI"][QUOTE="Lewisite"]For that matter I am not even sure what I am trying to prove.Lewisite

I was just stating my opinion on how I think she looks more "white" than black. Does that bother you for some reason?

So I'll ask this general question: How does she look like more white than black considering you have never stepped foot in Africa and chances being you have never seen a African person Direct answers please.

[QUOTE="Fire-of-Njozi"]

1.) she is not light. lol. she's not Kevin Garnett dark...but then again, most Africans are not. She is not unusual in that regard at all. And certainly not venturing towards being white. lol. She's a nice shade of mocha. 2.) you're right. I said I'm out. I'll take my leave now. But understand...she's quite black in style, design and presentation. Quite authentic. I'll thank you to not make her something that she's not in order for her to be more palatable to you. that's a wee bit...well...you figure it out. adjust your understanding of blackness. thanks.Lewisite

Yeah, sorry bro but that all went in one ear and right out the other. She still looks white to me. :)

Not sure why you even care what I think anyways.

Have a nice night!

and I'm not out of the site. just this thread. okay, seriously this time. enjoy the remainder of the discussion, gentlemen.

[QUOTE="Dystopian-X"]This kind of thread is quite pointless and it just becomes a nest for ppl to argue about races. It doesn't matter how racially diverse Africa is nowadays, Capcom clearly chickened out after the negative backlash from a certain group of ppl about the game. It doesn't make a difference to me in this case, but censoring something because of what a butthurt group is going to say is always lame and it could be worse.Fire-of-Njozi

The group that called it ''racist'' and everyone who thought that way, Capcom feared a negative backlash from them so they changed things into a more ''racially diverse african slum'' most likely because of that.

[QUOTE="Parasomniac"]There's white people in Africa you knowRagashahs

I tell you this, not only as an African, but as a concerned man:

There are a lot of people who are white in Africa, and they come in different shapes, sizes and social status just like the blacks in Africa. people tend to rely too much on mainstream media to gain their information. That's why I'm not surprised when I meet so many people here in America who think that Africa is basically a continent filled with malnutritioned babies swatting flies off their faces. What the media tends to show you most of the time is what will shock you or will get their ratings up. That's why the media almost always shows you poverty among blacks but never covers much about the poverty among whites. Believe it or not, there are whites who live in poverty in certain slums of Africa.

And Here is a simple example of this.

[QUOTE="Fire-of-Njozi"][QUOTE="Dystopian-X"]This kind of thread is quite pointless and it just becomes a nest for ppl to argue about races. It doesn't matter how racially diverse Africa is nowadays, Capcom clearly chickened out after the negative backlash from a certain group of ppl about the game. It doesn't make a difference to me in this case, but censoring something because of what a butthurt group is going to say is always lame and it could be worse.Dystopian-X

The group that called it ''racist'' and everyone who thought that way, Capcom feared a negative backlash from them so they changed things into a more ''racially diverse african slum'' most likely because of that.

[QUOTE="Ragashahs"][QUOTE="Parasomniac"]There's white people in Africa you knowverbalfilth

I tell you this, not only as an African, but as a concerned man:

There are a lot of people who are white in Africa, and they come in different shapes, sizes and social status just like the blacks in Africa. people tend to rely too much on mainstream media to gain their information. That's why I'm not surprised when I meet so many people here in America who think that Africa is basically a continent filled with malnutritioned babies swatting flies off their faces. What the media tends to show you most of the time is what will shock you or will get their ratings up. That's why the media almost always shows you poverty among blacks but never covers much about the poverty among whites. Believe it or not, there are whites who live in poverty in certain slums of Africa.

And Here is a simple example of this.

[QUOTE="verbalfilth"]

[QUOTE="Ragashahs"]not THAT many compared to the black population and most likely they wouldn't be in the slums of your everyday african city. imo anyone who screams racist at RE5 for killing black people are idiots and hypocrites. killing spanish zombies fine but black zombies ohes nozes yous be a racistSynthetic_NinJI

I tell you this, not only as an African, but as a concerned man:

There are a lot of people who are white in Africa, and they come in different shapes, sizes and social status just like the blacks in Africa. people tend to rely too much on mainstream media to gain their information. That's why I'm not surprised when I meet so many people here in America who think that Africa is basically a continent filled with malnutritioned babies swatting flies off their faces. What the media tends to show you most of the time is what will shock you or will get their ratings up. That's why the media almost always shows you poverty among blacks but never covers much about the poverty among whites. Believe it or not, there are whites who live in poverty in certain slums of Africa.

And Here is a simple example of this.

1) Where are you getting this information from, and why do you insist you're correct when you've probably never been to Africa?

Am I to assume that you've been to Africa and feel empowered enough to lecture me on not ever being in Africa and seeing that the more rural areas are rich in diversity? Pariah_001

Yesh. Being the completely lazy armchair Catholic I am I've done work in Africa. As I said, my points were not about rural areas or whatever, but this whole "No country in Africa is known for its diversity" stuff you sputtered before. And these next few comments...

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]Yes, black people are the predominant ethnicityPariah_001

Thank you for repeating my point....My only point....The one that doesn't assume anymore than it should.

I presume that you believe both of those countries are racially diverse. Not only would you know that Europe is racially diverse since the turn of the century, you would also know that they were originally diverse before colonization. You would know some as Slavs, Anglo-Celts, and Latinos. That being said, Africa is similar. It's not all just one big black blob. This isn't the 1900s anymore, it's the year 2009. Mainland Africa has several races from the South, the Middle, and the North that look distinctly different, and have had contact with people all the way from Asia as well.FrozenLiquid

Region-wise, minorities in Africa are more consolidated than in America. I don't know about Europe.

Really don't add up to much. Despite what you think, Africa is diverse. America is arguably the most diverse country out there, but it doesn't take away from others, including Africa. On top of that, without paying attention to what I said earlier, you've asserted all black people are one huge ethnicity. Right. And all white people are just one big white group.

Okay...My English professors never thought so. And I'm honestly not sure why you find that sentence so complicated. But whatever.

Pariah_001

Sorry to burst your bubble, this isn't an undergrad discussion. It's a chillaxed video game community. I didn't find your sentence complicated so much as it being just absurd. "... ridiculous notion", perhaps. "...ridiculous sentiment"?. Ermm.... well, at least you'd have to learn where semantics come in to this issue.

Eloquence isn't a matter of spouting out your extensive vocabulary list and calling it a day. Less is more, y'know?

[QUOTE="Ragashahs"][QUOTE="Parasomniac"]There's white people in Africa you knowverbalfilth

I tell you this, not only as an African, but as a concerned man:

There are a lot of people who are white in Africa, and they come in different shapes, sizes and social status just like the blacks in Africa. people tend to rely too much on mainstream media to gain their information. That's why I'm not surprised when I meet so many people here in America who think that Africa is basically a continent filled with malnutritioned babies swatting flies off their faces. What the media tends to show you most of the time is what will shock you or will get their ratings up. That's why the media almost always shows you poverty among blacks but never covers much about the poverty among whites. Believe it or not, there are whites who live in poverty in certain slums of Africa.

And Here is a simple example of this.

1.) she is not light. lol. she's not Kevin Garnett dark...but then again, most Africans are not. She is not unusual in that regard at all. And certainly not venturing towards being white. lol. She's a nice shade of mocha. 2.) you're right. I said I'm out. I'll take my leave now. But understand...she's quite black in style, design and presentation. Quite authentic. I'll thank you to not make her something that she's not in order for her to be more palatable to you. that's a wee bit...well...you figure it out. adjust your understanding of blackness. thanks.

Yeah, sorry bro but that all went in one ear and right out the other. She still looks white to me. :)

Not sure why you even care what I think anyways.

Have a nice night!

[QUOTE="Lewisite"]

[QUOTE="Synthetic_NinJI"] Indeed, I think everybody here was feeling that from you.gamefan67

I was just stating my opinion on how I think she looks more "white" than black. Does that bother you for some reason?

[QUOTE="gamefan67"]it bothers me. Especially when you take in the fact that nothing about her screams out white.Soulja_West

[QUOTE="Soulja_West"][QUOTE="gamefan67"]it bothers me. Especially when you take in the fact that nothing about her screams out white.gamefan67

Another thread on this, seriously? I swear, there's more threads complaining about black people complaining about this gaming be "Racist" then actual threads of people calling it "racist."Lionheart08

As I said, my points were not about rural areas or whatever,

Okay then. For clarity: Do you disagree with me that it would be pretty unlikely for there to be patches of minorities in the midst of the legions of black Las Plagas in those rural areas?

but this whole "No country in Africa is known for its diversity" stuff you sputtered before. And these next few comments...

It's not. Yes, there's about 8-10 million minorities in Africa. But that doesn't make it notably diverse. Going out of their way to include token minority character models for the sake of that ratio is pandering.

Really don't add up to much. Despite what you think, Africa is diverse.FrozenLiquid

Not compared to America and/or Europe. We're talking about the entire continent. Not discriminating between certain region-based demographics.

America is arguably the most diverse country out there, but it doesn't take away from others, including Africa. On top of that, without paying attention to what I said earlier, you've asserted all black people are one huge ethnicity. Right. And all white people are just one big white group.FrozenLiquid

I think there's been a severe misinterpretation here. I said that all of the black people are the majority and that the more consolidated white groups are a minority.

Sorry to burst your bubble, this isn't an undergrad discussion. It's a chillaxed video game community. I didn't find your sentence complicated so much as it being just absurd. "... ridiculous notion", perhaps. "...ridiculous sentiment"?. Ermm.... well, at least you'd have to learn where semantics come in to this issue. Eloquence isn't a matter of spouting out your extensive vocabulary list and calling it a day. Less is more, y'know?FrozenLiquid

Okay. Fine. I'm sorry, but I don't know how to tone myself down.

[QUOTE="verbalfilth"]

[QUOTE="Ragashahs"]not THAT many compared to the black population and most likely they wouldn't be in the slums of your everyday african city. imo anyone who screams racist at RE5 for killing black people are idiots and hypocrites. killing spanish zombies fine but black zombies ohes nozes yous be a racistgamefan67

I tell you this, not only as an African, but as a concerned man:

There are a lot of people who are white in Africa, and they come in different shapes, sizes and social status just like the blacks in Africa. people tend to rely too much on mainstream media to gain their information. That's why I'm not surprised when I meet so many people here in America who think that Africa is basically a continent filled with malnutritioned babies swatting flies off their faces. What the media tends to show you most of the time is what will shock you or will get their ratings up. That's why the media almost always shows you poverty among blacks but never covers much about the poverty among whites. Believe it or not, there are whites who live in poverty in certain slums of Africa.

And Here is a simple example of this.

Sure, its pretty much common knowledge that blacks outnumber whites in Africa the same way whites outnumber blacks in most western countries. however..There are many, many, many whites in Africa...you'll even have Egyptians who can be whiter than most caucasians. The only whites (western) I know and have seen in Africa who live successful upper ****lives are either ambassadors, missionaries or business men or some that are simply stationed there to work in Western Embassies, work for the U.N and so on. What do all these people have in common? They are all in Africa temporarily and are catered by their western companies while there. However, those who decide that they've enjoyed Africa and want to live there on a permanent level end up as illegal immigrants who are overstaying their work visa or study visas or they simply can't function in the country without outside help. I've known several white students who decided to remain in Kenya and ended up as squatters and living through the assistance of either friends or neighbors. Sure, Some end up paving a way for themselves down the line but some end up living in slums or shanti towns. I've seen way too many...in fact, when I was a kid in Kenya, there were several students from abroad (English, American, Asian) who were squating freely in nearby guest house thanks to the kindness of some of the neighbors.

South Africa, I think its safe to say, the most developed nation in Africa since it recieved its independance fairly recently when compared to other countries in Africa so yes, there are still white powerful people there, but as you saw in the video up there they're being pulled down the chain and are being forced to work as hard as any other African to get to earn their way instead of forcefully taking what isn't theirs (colonialism)

So once again, don't ever assume that every white person you see in Africa is a wealthy and successful person running things. You'll be in for a horrible surprise my friend.