[QUOTE="gamefan67"][QUOTE="Lewisite"]it bothers me. Especially when you take in the fact that nothing about her screams out white. Exactly. My sister is almost that color if not lighter than her and shes black. Wait, are you guys talking about Sheva? She's black man, most likely African. Capcom modeled her after a Australian actress (who is black). She's also the exact same complextion of my girlfriend, who is African (Eritrean). You can check my myspace linked in my sig to find out.I was just stating my opinion on how I think she looks more "white" than black. Does that bother you for some reason?
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RE5 Reflects "Political Correctness"
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welcome to South Africa.[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]Seeing a guy you would expect on the streets of Mexico City jumping out at you from a bathroom stall somewhere deep in the boonies of Africa *really* takes away from the immersiveness. Sure, there are ethnically varied people in Africa but MOST of them are you know... Africans. It would make sense that the majority were black. But noooo... people cry "racism" against a game trying to be realistic and Capcom can do nothing but prevent silly lawsuits and other fanfare.Fire-of-Njozi
so. maybe it's not the game that needs to change, but people's perception of the African continent. Food for thought.
Yea south africa, most people know this. You aren't clever at all. Guess what, RE5 isnt taking place in south africa.[QUOTE="Fire-of-Njozi"]welcome to South Africa.[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]Seeing a guy you would expect on the streets of Mexico City jumping out at you from a bathroom stall somewhere deep in the boonies of Africa *really* takes away from the immersiveness. Sure, there are ethnically varied people in Africa but MOST of them are you know... Africans. It would make sense that the majority were black. But noooo... people cry "racism" against a game trying to be realistic and Capcom can do nothing but prevent silly lawsuits and other fanfare.blues35301
so. maybe it's not the game that needs to change, but people's perception of the African continent. Food for thought.
Yea south africa, most people know this. You aren't clever at all. Guess what, RE5 isnt taking place in south africa.lol, correct. it's taking place in a fictitious locale, based perhaps loosely off some location in Africa...which could be patterned after South Africa. why can't it be? presuming it can't be will be rendered intellectually dishonest, as we have a country that displays exactly what we see in the game. you have no leg to stand on. and I wasn't trying to be clever, I was pointing out that there is certainly precedent on the continent for what we see in the game demo. enough precedent for people to stop whining about this.Another thread on this, seriously? I swear, there's more threads complaining about black people complaining about this gaming be "Racist" then actual threads of people calling it "racist."Lionheart08there are no threads of black people calling this game racist. there is only a thread that links to a blogger (who doesn't play videogames) who posted their near-sighted concerns. how that blogger came to represent more than just herself...such that suddenly "black people" were complaining about the game is beyond me.
[QUOTE="Lionheart08"]Another thread on this, seriously? I swear, there's more threads complaining about black people complaining about this gaming be "Racist" then actual threads of people calling it "racist."Fire-of-Njozithere are no threads of black people calling this game racist. there is only a thread that links to a blogger (who doesn't play videogames) who posted their near-sighted concerns. how that blogger came to represent more than just herself...such that suddenly "black people" were complaining about the game is beyond me. Exactly. I've been saying this in every RE5 thread. People tend to not realize this fact.
[QUOTE="Fire-of-Njozi"][QUOTE="Lionheart08"]Another thread on this, seriously? I swear, there's more threads complaining about black people complaining about this gaming be "Racist" then actual threads of people calling it "racist."Episode_Evethere are no threads of black people calling this game racist. there is only a thread that links to a blogger (who doesn't play videogames) who posted their near-sighted concerns. how that blogger came to represent more than just herself...such that suddenly "black people" were complaining about the game is beyond me. Exactly. I've been saying this in every RE5 thread. People tend to not realize this fact. people just don't want to, I think. want to argue just for the sake of arguing.
[QUOTE="blues35301"][QUOTE="Fire-of-Njozi"] welcome to South Africa.Yea south africa, most people know this. You aren't clever at all. Guess what, RE5 isnt taking place in south africa.lol, correct. it's taking place in a fictitious locale, based perhaps loosely off some location in Africa...which could be patterned after South Africa. why can't it be? presuming it can't be will be rendered intellectually dishonest, as we have a country that displays exactly what we see in the game. you have no leg to stand on. and I wasn't trying to be clever, I was pointing out that there is certainly precedent on the continent for what we see in the game demo. enough precedent for people to stop whining about this. IDK though man in one video before the demo launched I saw a white guy with a backwards baseball cap....thats just obviously trying to make the game seem less "racist"so. maybe it's not the game that needs to change, but people's perception of the African continent. Food for thought.
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Blame black americans who believe that everything in which is black man losses is racist. Note I said blame the ones who believe that, I'm black but I'm not american, and some of them sicken me with thier crusades at times. Alot are warrented, but there are those few that aren't. Funny enough in 50 cent bullet proof it's him killing a set of arabs but I guess that isn't racist is it?Espada121.) Black Americans have nothing to do with this story. A single blogger does. Envoking the entire group for any reason does everyone an injustice. I inheriently presumes and entertains a level of homogeneity that does not exist. Don't do it again. And don't presume that being black will provide a veil of protection and enable you to insult black Americans. If you're not from here, you don't know their struggle. and in the case of this story, you're not even in the ballpark. no black american I know has complained about the cultural makeup of this game once. I doubt Capcom placated to anyone in the bloggosphere to make their game more palletable. It's highly unlikely.
2.) You've played 50 cent bullet proof? Why?
[QUOTE="Fire-of-Njozi"][QUOTE="blues35301"] Yea south africa, most people know this. You aren't clever at all. Guess what, RE5 isnt taking place in south africa.blues35301lol, correct. it's taking place in a fictitious locale, based perhaps loosely off some location in Africa...which could be patterned after South Africa. why can't it be? presuming it can't be will be rendered intellectually dishonest, as we have a country that displays exactly what we see in the game. you have no leg to stand on. and I wasn't trying to be clever, I was pointing out that there is certainly precedent on the continent for what we see in the game demo. enough precedent for people to stop whining about this. IDK though man in one video before the demo launched I saw a white guy with a backwards baseball cap....thats just obviously trying to make the game seem less "racist" because you feel/believe white guys don't wear their baseball caps backwards? does that style belong to a particular race or ethnicity?
[QUOTE="Lionheart08"]Another thread on this, seriously? I swear, there's more threads complaining about black people complaining about this gaming be "Racist" then actual threads of people calling it "racist."Fire-of-Njozithere are no threads of black people calling this game racist. there is only a thread that links to a blogger (who doesn't play videogames) who posted their near-sighted concerns. how that blogger came to represent more than just herself...such that suddenly "black people" were complaining about the game is beyond me. It was not just them, that blog was the one who got most of the attention but there were others and even some posters e as well as threads about it, also the humor and honestly ..who didn't see that kind of backlash coming? If there wasn't any bad rep. this kind of threads wouldn't exist. Maybe capcom didn't change it because of that but last time I checked the US is more diverse than an African country yet you didn't see any Black, Hispanic or Asian zombie in old RE games, same for RE 4, it took place a secluded spanish village so it may not be a prime example but still what a coincidence that around RE 5 capcom decides to show us how ''racially diverse'' Africa is. Or should I say how a loosely location based on it is? Seriesly, some of you are bringing up stuff that prolly not even the RE5 team thought or cared about as valid arguments. Weak that this kind of pointless threads are allowed to grow and funny and other types of thread get locked instead nowadays.
[QUOTE="blues35301"][QUOTE="Fire-of-Njozi"]lol, correct. it's taking place in a fictitious locale, based perhaps loosely off some location in Africa...which could be patterned after South Africa. why can't it be? presuming it can't be will be rendered intellectually dishonest, as we have a country that displays exactly what we see in the game. you have no leg to stand on. and I wasn't trying to be clever, I was pointing out that there is certainly precedent on the continent for what we see in the game demo. enough precedent for people to stop whining about this.Fire-of-NjoziIDK though man in one video before the demo launched I saw a white guy with a backwards baseball cap....thats just obviously trying to make the game seem less "racist" because you feel/believe white guys don't wear their baseball caps backwards? does that style belong to a particular race or ethnicity? Huh? no...It just looked really really out of place in an African slum...Let's not forget that Africans can be racist too. In societies all around the world its just as difficult for some africans to accept whites as part of the same group...
EDIT: basically also the dude just looked like he jumped off a bus from LA or somethin lol.
another edit: its also funny how you jumped to me thinking whites shouldnt wear backwards hats? im white and im wearing my hat backwards right now :P
[QUOTE="gamefan67"]I have friends from all parts of Africa and most of them say that there are not many white people in Africa. they do all have different status' but most are rich. Some even say they control a lot of S.A.verbalfilth
Sure, its pretty much common knowledge that blacks outnumber whites in Africa the same way whites outnumber blacks in most western countries. however..There are many, many, many whites in Africa...you'll even have Egyptians who can be whiter than most caucasians. The only whites (western) I know and have seen in Africa who live successful upper ****lives are either ambassadors, missionaries or business men or some that are simply stationed there to work in Western Embassies, work for the U.N and so on. What do all these people have in common? They are all in Africa temporarily and are catered by their western companies while there. However, those who decide that they've enjoyed Africa and want to live there on a permanent level end up as illegal immigrants who are overstaying their work visa or study visas or they simply can't function in the country without outside help. I've known several white students who decided to remain in Kenya and ended up as squatters and living through the assistance of either friends or neighbors. Sure, Some end up paving a way for themselves down the line but some end up living in slums or shanti towns. I've seen way too many...in fact, when I was a kid in Kenya, there were several students from abroad (English, American, Asian) who were squating freely in nearby guest house thanks to the kindness of some of the neighbors.
South Africa, I think its safe to say, the most developed nation in Africa since it recieved its independance fairly recently when compared to other countries in Africa so yes, there are still white powerful people there, but as you saw in the video up there they're being pulled down the chain and are being forced to work as hard as any other African to get to earn their way instead of forcefully taking what isn't theirs (colonialism)
So once again, don't ever assume that every white person you see in Africa is a wealthy and successful person running things. You'll be in for a horrible surprise my friend.
After reading this post I feel enlightened. ty for the lesson.[QUOTE="Espada12"]Blame black americans who believe that everything in which is black man losses is racist. Note I said blame the ones who believe that, I'm black but I'm not american, and some of them sicken me with thier crusades at times. Alot are warrented, but there are those few that aren't. Funny enough in 50 cent bullet proof it's him killing a set of arabs but I guess that isn't racist is it?Fire-of-Njozi1.) Black Americans have nothing to do with this story. A single blogger does. Envoking the entire group for any reason does everyone an injustice. Don't. 2.) You've played 50 cent bullet proof? Why?
1. Yes they do because one of them is up in arms about it(he really isn't to the point of up in arms but the fact he brought it up means he is concerned about it). Note I'm not pointing out black americans on the whole, just those who think everything bad happens to them is the man trying to bring them down (it really is sometimes though), I thought i made the last part clear.. guess not
2. Nope I haven't but that's what the game is about lol!
[QUOTE="Fire-of-Njozi"][QUOTE="blues35301"] IDK though man in one video before the demo launched I saw a white guy with a backwards baseball cap....thats just obviously trying to make the game seem less "racist" blues35301because you feel/believe white guys don't wear their baseball caps backwards? does that style belong to a particular race or ethnicity? Huh? no...It just looked really really out of place in an African slum...Let's not forget that Africans can be racist too. In societies all around the world its just as difficult for some africans to accept whites as part of the same group... EDIT: basically also the dude just looked like he jumped off a bus from LA or somethin lol. well.... 1.) Poor whites in South Africa. Note some of them are wearing baseball caps. 2.) Africans being racists has nothing to do with our conversation to this point, nor does it have any relevance to this thread. Don't move the goal posts. 3.) I didn't notice him. Post a pic or something. better yet, watch the link provided, then tell us if he still seems like he must be out of place.
1.) Black Americans have nothing to do with this story. A single blogger does. Envoking the entire group for any reason does everyone an injustice. Don't. 2.) You've played 50 cent bullet proof? Why?[QUOTE="Fire-of-Njozi"][QUOTE="Espada12"]Blame black americans who believe that everything in which is black man losses is racist. Note I said blame the ones who believe that, I'm black but I'm not american, and some of them sicken me with thier crusades at times. Alot are warrented, but there are those few that aren't. Funny enough in 50 cent bullet proof it's him killing a set of arabs but I guess that isn't racist is it?Espada12
1. Yes they do because one of them is up in arms about it(he really isn't to the point of up in arms but the fact he brought it up means he is concerned about it). Note I'm not pointing out black americans on the whole, just those who think everything bad happens to them is the man trying to bring them down (it really is sometimes though), I thought i made the last part clear.. guess not
2. Nope I haven't but that's what the game is about lol!
1.) "one of them". you're just as bad as everyone else. one person does not represent the whole. One person represents themselves. your black skin doesn't shield you from the reality that you're doing nothing but stereotyping and trying to homogenize an entire community. and you fail for doing it. you need to step back and take inventory of yourself and your future comments if you think one person can mean it's time to invoke an entire people. that's like blaming all whites for something Kramer said. that's ridiculous. learn the lesson. 2.) you're saying 50 cent bulletproof is ABOUT going around and killing arabs? you're saying that's the objective of the game?
But we all know what happened here.
Let's look at the real problem: It was more fun with black people.
And they messed it up by listening to people crying "RACISM I SEE BLACK PEOPLE GET HURT!" and now we are sad.
Now what we should do instead of discussing all this all day long, is we should cry much more. We're the victims here, again.
So let's cry so much that they'll listen to us, not to the "RACISM!" people.
I want my black people!
Maybe we can boycott the game, or is one of You a politician so we can make this a political ordeal?
[QUOTE="Espada12"][QUOTE="Fire-of-Njozi"] 1.) Black Americans have nothing to do with this story. A single blogger does. Envoking the entire group for any reason does everyone an injustice. Don't. 2.) You've played 50 cent bullet proof? Why?Fire-of-Njozi
1. Yes they do because one of them is up in arms about it(he really isn't to the point of up in arms but the fact he brought it up means he is concerned about it). Note I'm not pointing out black americans on the whole, just those who think everything bad happens to them is the man trying to bring them down (it really is sometimes though), I thought i made the last part clear.. guess not
2. Nope I haven't but that's what the game is about lol!
1.) "one of them". you're just as bad as everyone else. one person does not represent the whole. One person represents themselves. your black skin doesn't shield you from the reality that you're doing nothing but stereotyping and trying to homogenize an entire community. and you fail for doing it. you need to step back and take inventory of yourself and your future comments if you think one person can mean it's time to invoke an entire people. that's like blaming all whites for something Kramer said. that's ridiculous. learn the lesson. 2.) you're saying 50 cent bulletproof is ABOUT going around and killing arabs? you're saying that's the objective of the game?What? Which part of me saying THE ONES THAT THINK LIKE THAT aren't you getting? Did you even read my second sentance??? IT OUTRIGHT SAYS I'M not speaking about them as a WHOLE. JUST THE ONES THAT THINK LIKE THAT. Again you are thinking like the ones I'm talking about for taking my *one of them* out of context.. you are possibly one of the people i"m speaking about. I mean't one of those american blacks who think that everything bad happening to them is the white man bringing them down and is racists when I said *one of them* I don't mean one of them as a person from the black community:|
And sorry it's 50 cent blood on the sands that's the one with him killing arabs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1J9TMwXvSA
check it out yo, and lose some brain cells!
We can all discuss all day long whether the game is being realistic or not...
But we all know what happened here.
Let's look at the real problem: It was more fun with black people.
And they messed it up by listening to people crying "RACISM I SEE BLACK PEOPLE GET HURT!" and now we are sad.
Now what we should do instead of discussing all this all day long, is we should cry much more. We're the victims here, again.
So let's cry so much that they'll listen to us, not to the "RACISM!" people.
I want my black people!
Maybe we can boycott the game, or is one of You a politician so we can make this a political ordeal?KungfuKitten
Sarcasm reading... inconclusive.
Response uncertain.
Blame black americans who believe that everything in which is black man losses is racist. Note I said blame the ones who believe that, I'm black but I'm not american, and some of them sicken me with thier crusades at times. Alot are warrented, but there are those few that aren't. Funny enough in 50 cent bullet proof it's him killing a set of arabs but I guess that isn't racist is it?Espada12
A perfect example of a double standard.
[QUOTE="Fire-of-Njozi"][QUOTE="Espada12"]1.) "one of them". you're just as bad as everyone else. one person does not represent the whole. One person represents themselves. your black skin doesn't shield you from the reality that you're doing nothing but stereotyping and trying to homogenize an entire community. and you fail for doing it. you need to step back and take inventory of yourself and your future comments if you think one person can mean it's time to invoke an entire people. that's like blaming all whites for something Kramer said. that's ridiculous. learn the lesson. 2.) you're saying 50 cent bulletproof is ABOUT going around and killing arabs? you're saying that's the objective of the game?1. Yes they do because one of them is up in arms about it(he really isn't to the point of up in arms but the fact he brought it up means he is concerned about it). Note I'm not pointing out black americans on the whole, just those who think everything bad happens to them is the man trying to bring them down (it really is sometimes though), I thought i made the last part clear.. guess not
2. Nope I haven't but that's what the game is about lol!
Espada12
What? Which part of me saying THE ONES THAT THINK LIKE THAT aren't you getting? Did you even read my second sentance??? IT OUTRIGHT SAYS I'M not speaking about them as a WHOLE. JUST THE ONES THAT THINK LIKE THAT. Again you are thinking like the ones I'm talking about for taking my *one of them* out of context.. you are possibly one of the people i"m speaking about. I mean't one of those american blacks who think that everything bad happening to them is the white man bringing them down and is racists when I said *one of them* I don't mean one of them as a person from the black community:|
And sorry it's 50 cent blood on the sands that's the one with him killing arabs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1J9TMwXvSA
check it out yo, and lose some brain cells!
1.) I give up. It's all over your posts and it's like you don't see it at all. You're still looking to group people around this issue when the bottom line is there was only one person that complained about RE5. It's really pathetic. Even when this random NON-GAMERS' blog started making its rounds around various forums, everyone decided to make it an issue with the entire black community, as if her opinion represented more than just herself. You're doing the exact same thing. Looking for people to add to the list of people that agreed with her, as if there were any to begin with. Grouping them together as people who are always "up in arms" about something. Your post is littered to death with stereotypes, assumptions and conjecture. Everyone is an individual. trying to group people together and invoking the names of whole groups only inflames people, confuses people and encourages bigotry (which stems from "us people" vs. "those people"). But again, you must not get what I'm saying to you, so I expect you to not even re-read your post and see the problems in logic.
2.) Well there's some context. Is there a reason you recognize the people 50 cent is killing as simply "Arabs" instead of "Arab militants and terrorists"? After all, everyone I saw in that youtube video of yours had an AK-47 in hand. This isn't shocking to American culture, which has been at war with terrorists for several years now. If it had been a white dude....oh wait. We have Call of Duty 4. So again, quit trying to find issues where there are none. Moral relativism always fails. And most especially in this conversation.
[QUOTE="Espada12"]Blame black americans who believe that everything in which is black man losses is racist. Note I said blame the ones who believe that, I'm black but I'm not american, and some of them sicken me with thier crusades at times. Alot are warrented, but there are those few that aren't. Funny enough in 50 cent bullet proof it's him killing a set of arabs but I guess that isn't racist is it?crazymaghie123
A perfect example of a double standard.
No, it was a poor example. In fact, it was an invalid example, for the reasons listed above. When 50 is driving his hummer, killing Arabs that AREN'T supposed to be terrorists, I'll agree with you.Until then...fail.
1.) I give up. It's all over your posts and it's like you don't see it at all. You're still looking to group people around this issue when the bottom line is there was only one person that complained about RE5.Fire-of-Njozi
Not true. Here's one obvious example.
I believe Croal's views have merit when applied to the original announcement trailer, but those concerns could have been deflected without making any changes to the racial identity of the infected.
[QUOTE="Espada12"]Blame black americans who believe that everything in which is black man losses is racist. Note I said blame the ones who believe that, I'm black but I'm not american, and some of them sicken me with thier crusades at times. Alot are warrented, but there are those few that aren't. Funny enough in 50 cent bullet proof it's him killing a set of arabs but I guess that isn't racist is it?crazymaghie123
A perfect example of a double standard.
Where are these "black" people that complaining about the game if you don't mind me asking.[QUOTE="Fire-of-Njozi"]
1.) I give up. It's all over your posts and it's like you don't see it at all. You're still looking to group people around this issue when the bottom line is there was only one person that complained about RE5.sonicmj1
Not true. Here's one obvious example.
I believe Croal's views have merit when applied to the original announcement trailer, but those concerns could have been deflected without making any changes to the racial identity of the infected.
Okay, 2 people. lolseriously, though, I don't know if he "complained" so much as responded to questions about it. his point is correct in that one must be aware of all potential implications and messages being sent by actions or decisions that are made. that's what he was saying, and that's quite fair. such matters must be considered. but there was only one person vocally opposing the game at the time. most of the comments I looked over below the story were equal and extreme reactions to OTHER people acting ridiculous.
IMO, there is a difference between saying someone should recognize the imagery that one may be unintentionally invoking (N'Gai) and saying the game is setting a precedent for racism and oppression (that random blogger). distinctly and fundamentally different.
[QUOTE="KungfuKitten"]We can all discuss all day long whether the game is being realistic or not...
But we all know what happened here.
Let's look at the real problem: It was more fun with black people.
And they messed it up by listening to people crying "RACISM I SEE BLACK PEOPLE GET HURT!" and now we are sad.
Now what we should do instead of discussing all this all day long, is we should cry much more. We're the victims here, again.
So let's cry so much that they'll listen to us, not to the "RACISM!" people.
I want my black people!
Maybe we can boycott the game, or is one of You a politician so we can make this a political ordeal?sonicmj1
Sarcasm reading... inconclusive.
Response uncertain.
It's joking with the ridiculous truth.The black people were cooler,
the racism people steal away all attention because they are so fragile,
and the modern day definition of 'political' says: 'incompatible with truth'.
lol, correct. it's taking place in a fictitious locale, based perhaps loosely off some location in Africa...which could be patterned after South Africa. why can't it be? presuming it can't be will be rendered intellectually dishonest, as we have a country that displays exactly what we see in the game. you have no leg to stand on. and I wasn't trying to be clever, I was pointing out that there is certainly precedent on the continent for what we see in the game demo. enough precedent for people to stop whining about this.Fire-of-Njozi
Whatever the locale is, it's rural and impoverished. It's not modeled after South Africa. Your disingenuous position on the propriety of racial demographics in a "fictitious locale" is a non-sequitur.
1.) Black Americans have nothing to do with this story. A single blogger does. Envoking the entire group for any reason does everyone an injustice. I inheriently presumes and entertains a level of homogeneity that does not exist. Don't do it again. And don't presume that being black will provide a veil of protection and enable you to insult black Americans. If you're not from here, you don't know their struggle. and in the case of this story, you're not even in the ballpark. no black american I know has complained about the cultural makeup of this game once. I doubt Capcom placated to anyone in the bloggosphere to make their game more palletable. It's highly unlikely.Fire-of-Njozi
Not a few pages ago, we already discussed the tendency of PC-exposed Americans, whether they be black or white, to refer to all black people they see as "African American." I'd say the homogeneous perception produced by PC is very relevant in regards to the topic of RE5 being PC. You also lack the frame of reference to know whether or not there's been a large or small internet response to this game. You're basing your perception that this topic is a non-issue on the idea that you haven't seen any other threads of this nature around. That simply means that you weren't here months ago when these topics popped up regularly on SW, PS3, x360, the official boards, etc.. All of them became lengthy and had a fair number of self-proclaimed disgruntled gamers both black and white saying that this game gave the wrong perception about black people.
I also believe it was a black guy from 1Up, N'Gai, that made the point of saying, "a black person obviously didn't make this game." He effectively posited a blanket statement in regards to black people in Africa and black people everywhere else in the world.
There's white people in Africa you knowParasomniac
The only white people youll find in the kind of african village portayed in the game are missionaries and Ngo workers. As for the myriad collection of chinese, japanese and seemingly hispanic faces i see amongst the villages populace; all i can say is :lol:
.Political correct has ruined the amazing and unique atmosphere of this game by making provincial africa look more cosmoplitan than New York City.
thats just how the world isps3_owns_360WiiUh not where the game is set. Total multicultural diversity is null in plenty of regions...
[QUOTE="Parasomniac"]There's white people in Africa you knowps3_owns_360Wii
when the first trailer went up and running, lots of people thought it was racist and such, but in crackdown its alright for a black to kill chinese, whites but its oppsite when a white is killing blacks its wrong.:|
Well RE5 controversy was not in that context - it was because all the enemies in the trailer were black, and there was a white protagonist.1.) Black Americans have nothing to do with this story. A single blogger does. Envoking the entire group for any reason does everyone an injustice. I inheriently presumes and entertains a level of homogeneity that does not exist. Don't do it again. And don't presume that being black will provide a veil of protection and enable you to insult black Americans. If you're not from here, you don't know their struggle. and in the case of this story, you're not even in the ballpark. no black american I know has complained about the cultural makeup of this game once. I doubt Capcom placated to anyone in the bloggosphere to make their game more palletable. It's highly unlikely.[QUOTE="Espada12"]Blame black americans who believe that everything in which is black man losses is racist. Note I said blame the ones who believe that, I'm black but I'm not american, and some of them sicken me with thier crusades at times. Alot are warrented, but there are those few that aren't. Funny enough in 50 cent bullet proof it's him killing a set of arabs but I guess that isn't racist is it?Fire-of-Njozi
2.) You've played 50 cent bullet proof? Why?
1) Black people in the USA did not and do not "struggle" more than any other group of blacks in the world. In fact, blacks living in the United States have the HIGHEST quality of life of any black demographic in the WORLD (with the highest on average income and education of any black demographic). If anything the were benifits in the long run for the black people in America. Hell, there is an African American that leads the most powerful nation economically in the world right now. The last time that happened was probably back when humans were only in Africa. Not a racist statement, just the truth. In short, the fact that he isn't an American black doesn't make his statement untrue. Stick to the argument not the person. 2) Who cares what he plays in his free time. Isn't that what being "American" is all about?oh Xanadu.
check your PMs.Political correctness will be the downfall of America. You can quote me on that.MadExponentno, I'm pretty sure poor fiscal financial discipline, slow-to-adapt educational systems, poor parenting, insatiable hunger for more (greed), and declining moral standards and values will be the downfall of America. PC has always been. And mankind has made it this far. Mankind will be fine with PC. It will be the other things I listed.
oh Xanadu.
check your PMs. Time to check yours...also, in the future don't be scared to have an honest and open debate in front of other people. Remember....truth is truth because it stands up to scrutiny. It does no good to have a discussion behind closed doors (even if you're angry).[QUOTE="Fire-of-Njozi"]Time to check yours...also, in the future don't be scared to have an honest and open debate in front of other people. Remember....truth is truth because it stands up to scrutiny. It does no good to have a discussion behind closed doors (even if you're angry).my concern wasn't about "honest and open" debate. it was about moderation. you've been here long enough to know how it goes. ;) it's not worth posting a compelling commentary only to have it deleted later for some unexpected reason by a mod. amirite?oh Xanadu.
check your PMs.XanaduTheBand
Remember what site you're on. Every post we've made tieters on the borderline of moderation. If we were on another site, I would not have edited my post and PM'd it to you. But where here...so the move was recommended by another poster.
oh Xanadu.
check your PMs.
Time to check yours...also, in the future don't be scared to have an honest and open debate in front of other people. Remember....truth is truth because it stands up to scrutiny. It does no good to have a discussion behind closed doors (even if you're angry).my concern wasn't about "honest and open" debate. it was about moderation. you've been here long enough to know how it goes. ;) it's not worth posting a compelling commentary only to have it deleted later for some unexpected reason by a mod. amirite?Remember what site you're on. Every post we've made tieters on the borderline of moderation. If we were on another site, I would not have edited my post and PM'd it to you. But where here...so the move was recommended by another poster.
Fair enough. To be honest, it's not even worth having the discussion. Nobody's opinion is gonna change anyways. The point has been blunted.[QUOTE="Fire-of-Njozi"][QUOTE="XanaduTheBand"]my concern wasn't about "honest and open" debate. it was about moderation. you've been here long enough to know how it goes. ;) it's not worth posting a compelling commentary only to have it deleted later for some unexpected reason by a mod. amirite?Time to check yours...also, in the future don't be scared to have an honest and open debate in front of other people. Remember....truth is truth because it stands up to scrutiny. It does no good to have a discussion behind closed doors (even if you're angry).XanaduTheBand
Remember what site you're on. Every post we've made tieters on the borderline of moderation. If we were on another site, I would not have edited my post and PM'd it to you. But where here...so the move was recommended by another poster.
Fair enough. To be honest, it's not even worth having the discussion. Nobody's opinion is gonna change anyways. The point has been blunted. alright. well...maybe later, then. I'll hit you back. I promise.This game takes place in the middle of god know's where Africa, doesn't it? Not Johannasburg, Cape Town, or any of the big diverse South African cities. If you were to take some dirt road out to a little remote town somewhere in Africa I guarantee you wouldn't find a single white, asian, or hispanic person living there. So why is everyone getting upset that he's killing blacks? I mean, wouldn't there be only blacks to kill, given the setting? And anyone who says "It's not just blacks living in Africa, you know" is right. But most of the whites and other ehtnic groups you'll find in Africa are going to be in a big city, probably in South Africa. Not in some dirty Kenyan slum without running water or power.
People need to relax. I'm sure capcom wasn't trying to promote genocide or anything. Sticking whites and asians in with the hordes of native black african's was a poor choice in my opinion, and takes away from the setting.
I don't get what everyones arguing about here..
This game takes place in the middle of god know's where Africa, doesn't it? Not Johannasburg, Cape Town, or any of the big diverse South African cities. If you were to take some dirt road out to a little remote town somewhere in Africa I guarantee you wouldn't find a single white, asian, or hispanic person living there. So why is everyone getting upset that he's killing blacks? I mean, wouldn't there be only blacks to kill, given the setting? And anyone who says "It's not just blacks living in Africa, you know" is right. But most of the whites and other ehtnic groups you'll find in Africa are going to be in a big city, probably in South Africa. Not in some dirty Kenyan slum without running water or power.
People need to relax. I'm sure capcom wasn't trying to promote genocide or anything. Sticking whites and asians in with the hordes of native black african's was a poor choice in my opinion, and takes away from the setting.Samox
Yeah..I couldn't agree more
I don't get what everyones arguing about here..I can understand partly where you're coming from about rural Africa...
This game takes place in the middle of god know's where Africa, doesn't it? Not Johannasburg, Cape Town, or any of the big diverse South African cities. If you were to take some dirt road out to a little remote town somewhere in Africa I guarantee you wouldn't find a single white, asian, or hispanic person living there. So why is everyone getting upset that he's killing blacks? I mean, wouldn't there be only blacks to kill, given the setting? And anyone who says "It's not just blacks living in Africa, you know" is right. But most of the whites and other ehtnic groups you'll find in Africa are going to be in a big city, probably in South Africa. Not in some dirty Kenyan slum without running water or power.People need to relax. I'm sure capcom wasn't trying to promote genocide or anything. Sticking whites and asians in with the hordes of native black african's was a poor choice in my opinion, and takes away from the setting.Samox
But where in the hell do you get the notion that "everyone is getting upset that he's killing blacks"? One blogger. She's not a gamer. She's African. And is completely ignorant to Resident Evil's premise and history. Her motives were understandable considering the imagery of the first RE5 trailer having unsavory historic undertones. Though some of her wording was inappropriate.
This happened a year ago, and no one complained about it further. The only complaining is coming from people complaining about her. Even if they aren't aware it was only her, they assume it's black people in general... While using an *offended blogger* as a basis for an entire group.
In the end peope don't need to relax. Complainers need to be informed and understand everything from all persepctives.
tbh i didnt notice cuz i was having fun on co-op, but now that i think about it, yeah it is true.....but this would only be a problem if it was a white protagonist killing only black enemies, not the other way around Dante2710This could also be looked at as a problem if it were a German protagonist killing Jewish/Hasidic looking characters. I pretty much guarantee there would be at least one person outraged. Understandable given the negative history. The same outcome could sprout from a game with a Japanese protagonist killing Chinese characters.
[QUOTE="Parasomniac"]There's white people in Africa you knowps3_owns_360Wii
when the first trailer went up and running, lots of people thought it was racist and such, but in crackdown its alright for a black to kill chinese, whites but its oppsite when a white is killing blacks its wrong.:|
yeah people have said this, but it's kind of the way the world works..it's not going to change anytime soon. I'm going to try this demo in the next few days.Please Log In to post.
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