READ PS3s VS 360s GPU ?????

[QUOTE="MrGrimFandango"][QUOTE="Archx1"][QUOTE="SuperKnightX"]

PS3>>>X360 according to John Carmack and Itagaki

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SuperKnightX

Yep eventhough they both said they liked the 360 better( because of dev tools and ease of programming) both said the PS3 is more powerful I really dont see why this is up for debate.

CPU is quite a bit more powerful than 360's. GPU is actually quite a bit slower than 360's. Its the trade off you dont want. 

LOL spin it DJ JazyFanboy,  PS3 has a CPU advantage,  360 has a GPU and RAM advantage.

[QUOTE="wolverine4262"][QUOTE="SuperKnightX"][QUOTE="Marka1700"][QUOTE="SuperKnightX"][QUOTE="MrGrimFandango"][QUOTE="Archx1"][QUOTE="SuperKnightX"]

PS3>>>X360 according to John Carmack and Itagaki

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SuperKnightX

Yep eventhough they both said they liked the 360 better( because of dev tools and ease of programming) both said the PS3 is more powerful I really dont see why this is up for debate.

CPU is quite a bit more powerful than 360's. GPU is actually quite a bit slower than 360's. Its the trade off you dont want.

It does HDR, 4XAA and anisotropic filtering...all at the same time.

why do people think a cpu is going to play a part in graphics???

did the emotion engine????????????????????????????????

[QUOTE="-KinGz-"][QUOTE="LiquidMetal14"][QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="MrGrimFandango"]

Triangle Setup
Xbox 360 - 500 Million Triangles/sec
PS3 - 250 Million Triangles/sec

Vertex Shader Processing
Xbox 360 - 6.0 Billion Vertices/sec (using all 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 2.0 Billion Vertices/sec (using only 16 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 1.5 Billion Vertices/sec (using only 12 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 1.0 Billion Vertices/sec (using only 8 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
PS3 - 1.0 Billion Vertices/sec

Filtered Texture Fetch
Xbox 360 - 8.0 Billion Texels/sec
PS3 - 12.0 Billion Texels/sec

Vertex Texture Fetch
Xbox 360 - 8.0 Billion Texels/sec
PS3 - 4.0 Billion Texels/sec

Pixel Shader Processing with 16 Filtered Texels Per Cycle (Pixel ALU x Clock)
Xbox 360 - 24.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using all 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 20.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using 40 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 18.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using 36 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 16.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using 32 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
PS3 - 16.0 Billion Pixels/sec

Pixel Shader Processing without Textures (Pixel ALU x Clock)
Xbox 360 - 24.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using all 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 20.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using 40 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 18.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using 36 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 16.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using 32 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
PS3 - 24.0 Billion Pixels/sec

Multisampled Fill Rate
Xbox 360 - 16.0 Billion Samples/sec (8 ROPS x 4 Samples x 500MHz)
PS3 - 8.0 Billion Samples/sec (8 ROPS x 2 Samples x 500MHz)

Pixel Fill Rate with 4x Multisampled Anti-Aliasing
Xbox 360 - 4.0 Billion Pixels/sec (8 ROPS x 4 Samples x 500MHz / 4)
PS3 - 2.0 Billion Pixels/sec (8 ROPS x 2 Samples x 500MHz / 4)

Pixel Fill Rate without Anti-Aliasing
Xbox 360 - 4.0 Billion Pixels/sec (8 ROPS x 500MHz)
PS3 - 4.0 Billion Pixels/sec (8 ROPS x 500MHz)

Frame Buffer Bandwidth
Xbox 360 - 256.0 GB/sec (dedicated for frame buffer rendering)
PS3 - 20.8 GB/sec (shared with other graphics data: textures and vertices)
PS3 - 10.8 GB/sec (with 10.0 GB/sec subtracted for textures and vertices)
PS3 - 8.4 GB/sec (with 12.4 GB/sec subtracted for textures and vertices)

Texture/Vertex Memory Bandwidth
Xbox 360 - 22.4 GB/sec (shared with CPU)
Xbox 360 - 14.4 GB/sec (with 8.0 GB/sec subtracted for CPU)
Xbox 360 - 12.4 GB/sec (with 10.0 GB/sec subtracted for CPU)
PS3 - 20.8 GB/sec (shared with frame buffer)
PS3 - 10.8 GB/sec (with 10.0 GB/sec subtracted for frame buffer)
PS3 - 8.4 GB/sec (with 12.4 GB/sec subtracted for frame buffer)

Shader Model
Xbox 360 - Shader Model 3.0+ / Unified Shader Architecture
PS3 - Shader Model 3.0 / Discrete Shader Architecture

 

 

m3Boarder32

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FNR3 with the weak lighting on PS3, and crowds half the size of the 360's version??  Gamespot disagrees

[QUOTE="wolverine4262"] LOL... HS can't even do HDR and AA at the same time...Dualshockin

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="wolverine4262"] LOL... HS can't even do HDR and AA at the same time...wolverine4262

[QUOTE="SuperKnightX"][QUOTE="wolverine4262"][QUOTE="SuperKnightX"][QUOTE="Marka1700"][QUOTE="SuperKnightX"][QUOTE="MrGrimFandango"][QUOTE="Archx1"][QUOTE="SuperKnightX"]

PS3>>>X360 according to John Carmack and Itagaki

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wolverine4262

Yep eventhough they both said they liked the 360 better( because of dev tools and ease of programming) both said the PS3 is more powerful I really dont see why this is up for debate.

CPU is quite a bit more powerful than 360's. GPU is actually quite a bit slower than 360's. Its the trade off you dont want.

It does HDR, 4XAA and anisotropic filtering...all at the same time.

[QUOTE="wolverine4262"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="wolverine4262"] LOL... HS can't even do HDR and AA at the same time...SuperKnightX

[QUOTE="SuperKnightX"][QUOTE="wolverine4262"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="wolverine4262"] LOL... HS can't even do HDR and AA at the same time...wolverine4262

I will laugh :lol:

LOL spin it DJ JazyFanboy, PS3 has a CPU advantage, 360 has a GPU and RAM advantagem3Boarder32

LoL a lemming in denial? Developers all over are admitting that the PS3 is more powerful. The Xbox 360 GPU is SLIGHTLY better than the PS3's GPU. Slighty meaning almost the same. The PS3's CPU RAPES the 360's CPU. Throw in a hard drive which every developer could use to increase load times and such and a Blu-Ray drive that allows larger games, uncompressed HD data and HIGH RES STREAMING TEXTURES, the PS3 obviously has the advantage graphically. DVD's were being pushed to their limits during the PS2/Xbox days.... I'm sure developers will have to make sacrifices to games in the near future for the 360. That's if they haven't already....DaddyDC650

So gears of war was lat gen cause it was on a DVD???

360 games will have to make sacrafices because thier games are on DVD???

Tell me one game that completely fills a BD?? NONE!  No game will ever take advantage of BD because any game thats 50gigs would take 5 years to make, cost 500 million dollars to produce, and have over 2000+ hours of gameplay. . .

DVD is the way to go this gen.  Its over, get over it.

[QUOTE="wolverine4262"][QUOTE="SuperKnightX"][QUOTE="Marka1700"][QUOTE="SuperKnightX"][QUOTE="MrGrimFandango"][QUOTE="Archx1"][QUOTE="SuperKnightX"]

PS3>>>X360 according to John Carmack and Itagaki

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SuperKnightX

Yep eventhough they both said they liked the 360 better( because of dev tools and ease of programming) both said the PS3 is more powerful I really dont see why this is up for debate.

CPU is quite a bit more powerful than 360's. GPU is actually quite a bit slower than 360's. Its the trade off you dont want.

It does HDR, 4XAA and anisotropic filtering...all at the same time.

PS3 can't do FP Blending HDR + AA at the same time.  I think thats what the above poset meant to say.

I've tried asking Nao if RSX can do FP Blending HDR + AA at the same time, and he goes on and on about the type of HDR they are implementing.  But if you specifically ask if it can do "FP Blending HDR" + AA at the same time,  he will say he can't answer that...............

Funny,  Nao from Ninja Theory can go on and on talking about the tricks he does to implent HDR,  but he cant answer a simple question asking of RSX can do FP Blending HDR+AA

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="wolverine4262"] LOL... HS can't even do HDR and AA at the same time...wolverine4262

[QUOTE="SambaLele"][QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="LiquidMetal14"][QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="MrGrimFandango"]

Triangle Setup
Xbox 360 - 500 Million Triangles/sec
PS3 - 250 Million Triangles/sec

Vertex Shader Processing
Xbox 360 - 6.0 Billion Vertices/sec (using all 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 2.0 Billion Vertices/sec (using only 16 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 1.5 Billion Vertices/sec (using only 12 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 1.0 Billion Vertices/sec (using only 8 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
PS3 - 1.0 Billion Vertices/sec

Filtered Texture Fetch
Xbox 360 - 8.0 Billion Texels/sec
PS3 - 12.0 Billion Texels/sec

Vertex Texture Fetch
Xbox 360 - 8.0 Billion Texels/sec
PS3 - 4.0 Billion Texels/sec

Pixel Shader Processing with 16 Filtered Texels Per Cycle (Pixel ALU x Clock)
Xbox 360 - 24.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using all 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 20.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using 40 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 18.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using 36 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 16.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using 32 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
PS3 - 16.0 Billion Pixels/sec

Pixel Shader Processing without Textures (Pixel ALU x Clock)
Xbox 360 - 24.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using all 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 20.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using 40 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 18.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using 36 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 16.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using 32 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
PS3 - 24.0 Billion Pixels/sec

Multisampled Fill Rate
Xbox 360 - 16.0 Billion Samples/sec (8 ROPS x 4 Samples x 500MHz)
PS3 - 8.0 Billion Samples/sec (8 ROPS x 2 Samples x 500MHz)

Pixel Fill Rate with 4x Multisampled Anti-Aliasing
Xbox 360 - 4.0 Billion Pixels/sec (8 ROPS x 4 Samples x 500MHz / 4)
PS3 - 2.0 Billion Pixels/sec (8 ROPS x 2 Samples x 500MHz / 4)

Pixel Fill Rate without Anti-Aliasing
Xbox 360 - 4.0 Billion Pixels/sec (8 ROPS x 500MHz)
PS3 - 4.0 Billion Pixels/sec (8 ROPS x 500MHz)

Frame Buffer Bandwidth
Xbox 360 - 256.0 GB/sec (dedicated for frame buffer rendering)
PS3 - 20.8 GB/sec (shared with other graphics data: textures and vertices)
PS3 - 10.8 GB/sec (with 10.0 GB/sec subtracted for textures and vertices)
PS3 - 8.4 GB/sec (with 12.4 GB/sec subtracted for textures and vertices)

Texture/Vertex Memory Bandwidth
Xbox 360 - 22.4 GB/sec (shared with CPU)
Xbox 360 - 14.4 GB/sec (with 8.0 GB/sec subtracted for CPU)
Xbox 360 - 12.4 GB/sec (with 10.0 GB/sec subtracted for CPU)
PS3 - 20.8 GB/sec (shared with frame buffer)
PS3 - 10.8 GB/sec (with 10.0 GB/sec subtracted for frame buffer)
PS3 - 8.4 GB/sec (with 12.4 GB/sec subtracted for frame buffer)

Shader Model
Xbox 360 - Shader Model 3.0+ / Unified Shader Architecture
PS3 - Shader Model 3.0 / Discrete Shader Architecture

 

 

MrGrimFandango

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Every game released on the same day, and developed by the same company has looked better on 360

hey, where is the source for those numbers? as far as i know, the PS3 can do almost twice as much triangles/sec than the 360.

Its around PC oriented forums, what I get is its just calculating the specs released for the video cards for their maximum potential. I dont know the math, its just a copy and paste.

oh, in a pc oriented forum? look at what i found in some forum out there:

http://www.neowin.net/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t353712.html

:lol: the Xenos have 2 gpu cores?? :lol:

In this one there's this: "Acert. the figure Nvidia put for RSX was 1.1 Billion vertices per second != 500 million triangles per second. Xenos would be 1.2-1.5 Billion vertices per second. We dont know RSX/G71 triangle setup rate and we dont know Xenos vertices rate"

http://www.xboxyde.com/forum_8_9037_1_en.html

so, wich is it?? and why are ppl here ignoring the floating point operations per seconds for the RSX? the OP put those numbers for the Xenos, but not for the RSX that is waaaay superior in this aspect.

[QUOTE="wolverine4262"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="wolverine4262"] LOL... HS can't even do HDR and AA at the same time...Dualshockin

I dont think LAIR should be hyped.

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"]LOL spin it DJ JazyFanboy, PS3 has a CPU advantage, 360 has a GPU and RAM advantageDualshockin

[QUOTE="wolverine4262"][QUOTE="SuperKnightX"][QUOTE="wolverine4262"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="wolverine4262"] LOL... HS can't even do HDR and AA at the same time...SuperKnightX

I will laugh :lol:

Will Im going to buy a PS3 in a week or so and, I was just wondering which system was truely the most powerfulest. We all now the GPU is the heart of the every system to display wonderfull visuals and, alot of people are saying that the PS3 cant win over the Xbox360 beause its GPU is weaker so what do you think of the tech specs? Will the Cell have enough impact to rise the PS3 higher then the 360? Discuss

        Xbox360 Xenon

• 90 nm process, alleged 65 nm process upgrade in 2007 (codenamed "Zephyr"), 165 million transistors
• Three symmetrical cores, each two way smt-capable and clocked at 3.2 Ghz
• SMID: VMX128 (similar to AlitVec, just with more registers)
• 2× (128×128 bit) register file for each VMX128 unit, 6 in total.
• 1 MiB L2 cache (lockable by the GPU) running at half-speed (1.6 GHz) with a 256-bit bus
• 51.2 gigabytes per second of L4 memory bandwidth (256 bit × 1600 MHz)
• 21.6 GB/s Front-Side Bus
• DOT products performance: 9.6 billion per second
• 116 GFLOPS theoretical peak performance
• Restricted to In-order code execution
• ROM storing Microsoft's Secure Bootloader
• Big endian architecture.

      PS3 RSX

• Core Clock at 500 MHz
• Multi-way programmable parallel floating point shader pipelines
• 136 Shader operations per clock
• Pixel Shader 3.0
• 8 Renderin Pipelines (ROP)
• 300 million transistors
• 74.8 billion shader operations per second
• 33 billion dot products per second
• 1.2 billion Vertices per second
• Over 275 million polygons per second (polygon count and vertice count differ)
• 128-bit pixel precision offers rendering of scenes with high dynamic range imaging
• 128-bit memory bus width to 256-MiB GDDR3 VRAM
• 20.8 GB/sec bandwidth bitrate
• S3TC

KillaHalo2o9

[QUOTE="wolverine4262"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="wolverine4262"] LOL... HS can't even do HDR and AA at the same time...Dualshockin

Too Human is a crappy, unoriginal DMC rip-off with crap gameplay.I will laugh :lol:SuperKnightX

[QUOTE="KillaHalo2o9"]

Will Im going to buy a PS3 in a week or so and, I was just wondering which system was truely the most powerfulest. We all now the GPU is the heart of the every system to display wonderfull visuals and, alot of people are saying that the PS3 cant win over the Xbox360 beause its GPU is weaker so what do you think of the tech specs? Will the Cell have enough impact to rise the PS3 higher then the 360? Discuss

        Xbox360 Xenon

• 90 nm process, alleged 65 nm process upgrade in 2007 (codenamed "Zephyr"), 165 million transistors
• Three symmetrical cores, each two way smt-capable and clocked at 3.2 Ghz
• SMID: VMX128 (similar to AlitVec, just with more registers)
• 2× (128×128 bit) register file for each VMX128 unit, 6 in total.
• 1 MiB L2 cache (lockable by the GPU) running at half-speed (1.6 GHz) with a 256-bit bus
• 51.2 gigabytes per second of L4 memory bandwidth (256 bit × 1600 MHz)
• 21.6 GB/s Front-Side Bus
• DOT products performance: 9.6 billion per second
• 116 GFLOPS theoretical peak performance
• Restricted to In-order code execution
• ROM storing Microsoft's Secure Bootloader
• Big endian architecture.

      PS3 RSX

• Core Clock at 500 MHz
• Multi-way programmable parallel floating point shader pipelines
• 136 Shader operations per clock
• Pixel Shader 3.0
• 8 Renderin Pipelines (ROP)
• 300 million transistors
• 74.8 billion shader operations per second
• 33 billion dot products per second
• 1.2 billion Vertices per second
• Over 275 million polygons per second (polygon count and vertice count differ)
• 128-bit pixel precision offers rendering of scenes with high dynamic range imaging
• 128-bit memory bus width to 256-MiB GDDR3 VRAM
• 20.8 GB/sec bandwidth bitrate
• S3TC

Bgrngod

Yep,  the guy probabley looked up Xenon instead of Xenos

[QUOTE="SuperKnightX"][QUOTE="MrGrimFandango"][QUOTE="Archx1"][QUOTE="SuperKnightX"]

PS3>>>X360 according to John Carmack and Itagaki

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OMGTEHGRUKWTF

Yep eventhough they both said they liked the 360 better( because of dev tools and ease of programming) both said the PS3 is more powerful I really dont see why this is up for debate.

CPU is quite a bit more powerful than 360's. GPU is actually quite a bit slower than 360's. Its the trade off you dont want.

X360 512 MB RAM>PS3 256 MB RAM. And that is the only difference between the two that actually matters, because RAM is the bottleneck for all the consoles. I mean, wtf, only 256 MB??? My PC has 8 times that much.

Will Im going to buy a PS3 in a week or so and, I was just wondering which system was truely the most powerfulest. We all now the GPU is the heart of the every system to display wonderfull visuals and, alot of people are saying that the PS3 cant win over the Xbox360 beause its GPU is weaker so what do you think of the tech specs? Will the Cell have enough impact to rise the PS3 higher then the 360? Discuss

Xbox360 Xenon

• 90 nm process, alleged 65 nm process upgrade in 2007 (codenamed "Zephyr"), 165 million transistors
• Three symmetrical cores, each two way smt-capable and clocked at 3.2 Ghz
• SMID: VMX128 (similar to AlitVec, just with more registers)
• 2× (128×128 bit) register file for each VMX128 unit, 6 in total.
• 1 MiB L2 cache (lockable by the GPU) running at half-speed (1.6 GHz) with a 256-bit bus
• 51.2 gigabytes per second of L4 memory bandwidth (256 bit × 1600 MHz)
• 21.6 GB/s Front-Side Bus
• DOT products performance: 9.6 billion per second
• 116 GFLOPS theoretical peak performance
• Restricted to In-order code execution
• ROM storing Microsoft's Secure Bootloader
• Big endian architecture.

PS3 RSX

• Core Clock at 500 MHz
• Multi-way programmable parallel floating point shader pipelines
• 136 Shader operations per clock
• Pixel Shader 3.0
• 8 Renderin Pipelines (ROP)
• 300 million transistors
• 74.8 billion shader operations per second
• 33 billion dot products per second
• 1.2 billion Vertices per second
• Over 275 million polygons per second (polygon count and vertice count differ)
• 128-bit pixel precision offers rendering of scenes with high dynamic range imaging
• 128-bit memory bus width to 256-MiB GDDR3 VRAM
• 20.8 GB/sec bandwidth bitrate
• S3TC

KillaHalo2o9

why are you comparing the 360's cpu to the ps3's gpu?

these are the real specs:

XBOX 360 GPU/ XENOS

• 337 million transistors in total
• 500 MHz 10 MiB daughter embedded DRAM (eDRAM) framebuffer on 90 nm process
  • NEC designed eDRAM die includes additional logic for color, alpha blending, Z/stencil buffering, and anti-aliasing
  • 105 million transistors [2]
  • 8 Render Output units
• 500 MHz parent GPU on 90 nmTSMC process of total 232 million transistors
  • 48-way parallel floating-point dynamically-scheduled shaderpipelines[3]
    • Unified shader architecture (each pipeline is capable of running either pixel or vertex shaders)
    • Support for a superset of DirectX 9.0c/API DirectX XBOX 360, and Shader Model 3.0/3.5
    • MEMEXPORT shader function
    • 2 shader ALU operations per pipeline per cycle (1 vector and 1 scalar, co-issued)
    • 48 billion shader operations per second theoretical maximum (2 ALU x 48 shader pipelines x 500 MHz)[3]
  • 240 GFLOPS (10 FLOPS x 48 shader pipelines x 500 MHz)[4]
  • 16 filtered and 16 unfiltered texture samples per clock
  • 1.6 billion vertices per second
  • Maximum polygon performance: 500 million triangles per second )[3]
  • Texel fillrate: 8 gigatexel per second fillrate (16 textures x 500 MHz)
  • Pixel fillrate: 16 gigasamples per second fillrate using 4X multisample anti aliasing (MSAA), or 32 gigasamples using Z-only operation; 4 gigapixels per second without MSAA (8 ROPs x 500 MHz)[1]
  • Dot product operations: 24 billion per second or 33.6 billion per second theoretical maximum when summed with CPU operations
• Cooling: Both the GPU and CPU of the console have heatsinks. The CPU's heatsink uses heatpipe technology, to efficiently conduct heat from the CPU to the fins of the heatsink. The heatsinks are actively cooled by a pair of 60 mm exhaust fans that push the air out of the case by negative case pressure.

PS3 RSX SPECS

• Core Clock at 500 MHz
• Multi-way programmable parallel floating point shader pipelines
• 136 Shader operations per clock
• Pixel Shader 3.0
• 8 Rendering Pipelines (ROP)
• 300 million transistors[1]
• 74.8 billion shader operations per second
• 33 billion dot products per second
• 1.2 billion Vertices per second
• Over 275 million polygons per second (polygon count and vertice count differ)
• 128-bit pixel precision offers rendering of scenes with high dynamic range imaging
• 128-bit memory bus width to 256-MiB GDDR3 VRAM
• 20.8 GB/sec bandwidth bitrate
• S3TC[1]

sources:

xenos

rsx

xenon/xbox 360 cpu

i can't find any specs for the ps3 cell broadband engine.

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="m3Boarder32"]LOL spin it DJ JazyFanboy, PS3 has a CPU advantage, 360 has a GPU and RAM advantageTrailorParkBoy

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"]As the Insomniac CCO said,the Xbox 360's GPU has-arguably-a slight advantage(This could mean an extra reflection here and there etc.) But the Ps3's CPU crushes the 360's,and when 3rd party devs finally get a hang of it,the true power of the Cell will come to life. Expect God Of War 3 to be the best looking game on any platform.-KinGz-

Its more like Ps3 gpu=360 gpu(minute difference at best). CELL>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>XENOS. 

[QUOTE="DaddyDC650"]LoL a lemming in denial? Developers all over are admitting that the PS3 is more powerful. The Xbox 360 GPU is SLIGHTLY better than the PS3's GPU. Slighty meaning almost the same. The PS3's CPU RAPES the 360's CPU. Throw in a hard drive which every developer could use to increase load times and such and a Blu-Ray drive that allows larger games, uncompressed HD data and HIGH RES STREAMING TEXTURES, the PS3 obviously has the advantage graphically. DVD's were being pushed to their limits during the PS2/Xbox days.... I'm sure developers will have to make sacrifices to games in the near future for the 360. That's if they haven't already....carl2tan

So gears of war was lat gen cause it was on a DVD???

360 games will have to make sacrafices because thier games are on DVD???

Tell me one game that completely fills a BD?? NONE!  No game will ever take advantage of BD because any game thats 50gigs would take 5 years to make, cost 500 million dollars to produce, and have over 2000+ hours of gameplay. . .

DVD is the way to go this gen.  Its over, get over it.

[QUOTE="OMGTEHGRUKWTF"][QUOTE="SuperKnightX"][QUOTE="MrGrimFandango"][QUOTE="Archx1"][QUOTE="SuperKnightX"]

PS3>>>X360 according to John Carmack and Itagaki

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rockstar183

Yep eventhough they both said they liked the 360 better( because of dev tools and ease of programming) both said the PS3 is more powerful I really dont see why this is up for debate.

CPU is quite a bit more powerful than 360's. GPU is actually quite a bit slower than 360's. Its the trade off you dont want.

X360 512 MB RAM>PS3 256 MB RAM. And that is the only difference between the two that actually matters, because RAM is the bottleneck for all the consoles. I mean, wtf, only 256 MB??? My PC has 8 times that much.

Dude... Brian Hastings of Insomniac even admits that the 360 has the edge over the PS3 in graphics. So strictly speaking in terms of GPU, there currently is no debate.klactose

He says slight edge if any he also says the PS3 is capable of producing far superior visuals do to the differnce in processing power.  So how are lemmings trying to turn this into a positive?  Anyway you crack it the PS3 is simply a more powerful peace of machinary.

[QUOTE="rockstar183"][QUOTE="OMGTEHGRUKWTF"][QUOTE="SuperKnightX"][QUOTE="MrGrimFandango"][QUOTE="Archx1"][QUOTE="SuperKnightX"]

PS3>>>X360 according to John Carmack and Itagaki

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TrailorParkBoy

Yep eventhough they both said they liked the 360 better( because of dev tools and ease of programming) both said the PS3 is more powerful I really dont see why this is up for debate.

CPU is quite a bit more powerful than 360's. GPU is actually quite a bit slower than 360's. Its the trade off you dont want.

X360 512 MB RAM>PS3 256 MB RAM. And that is the only difference between the two that actually matters, because RAM is the bottleneck for all the consoles. I mean, wtf, only 256 MB??? My PC has 8 times that much.

Um actually yes it does . 256GGDR3 +256MB OF XDRAM=512 do the math.

[QUOTE="TrailorParkBoy"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="m3Boarder32"]LOL spin it DJ JazyFanboy, PS3 has a CPU advantage, 360 has a GPU and RAM advantageDualshockin

[QUOTE="TrailorParkBoy"][QUOTE="rockstar183"][QUOTE="OMGTEHGRUKWTF"][QUOTE="SuperKnightX"][QUOTE="MrGrimFandango"][QUOTE="Archx1"][QUOTE="SuperKnightX"]

PS3>>>X360 according to John Carmack and Itagaki

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Archx1

Yep eventhough they both said they liked the 360 better( because of dev tools and ease of programming) both said the PS3 is more powerful I really dont see why this is up for debate.

CPU is quite a bit more powerful than 360's. GPU is actually quite a bit slower than 360's. Its the trade off you dont want.

X360 512 MB RAM>PS3 256 MB RAM. And that is the only difference between the two that actually matters, because RAM is the bottleneck for all the consoles. I mean, wtf, only 256 MB??? My PC has 8 times that much.

Um actually yes it does . 256GGDR3 +256MB OF XDRAM=512 do the math.

its so funny . u ppl are acting like cpu has nothing to do with garfix . rockstar183