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[QUOTE="beatzfreak69"]Another thing. All of those numbers are theoretical maxes. It's also about efficiency. From what i understand the 360's GPU is like eighty something percent efficient, while the same cannot be said about the PS3's GPU.GermanShepard06
with x360's cpu design i dont think it can even reach 30%...
Fanboyism FTL?
[QUOTE="raiden509"]am i the only whose head hurts now ? rage8669
nah. it's just you and beatzfreak69. btw, that avatar is hilarious.Â
I'm good now. Just got home from work. I just can't understand sometimes how some people can be so dense. I'm not a computer whiz by any means. Then i remember that there are a lot of 11 year olds out there...
[QUOTE="-KinGz-"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"]As the Insomniac CCO said,the Xbox 360's GPU has-arguably-a slight advantage(This could mean an extra reflection here and there etc.) But the Ps3's CPU crushes the 360's,and when 3rd party devs finally get a hang of it,the true power of the Cell will come to life. Expect God Of War 3 to be the best looking game on any platform.Dualshockinactually is all the other way, xbox360 gpu>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ps3 gpu, ps3 cpu >>>>> xbox360 cpu No,the Ps3 Cpu demolishes the 360's cpu,whilst graphically they're exactly the same. In 2 years though,the Ps3's only competior in the graphics arena will be the Pc.You know with a good CPU like the Cell,you really need a good GPU...which the RSX is not.You cant have a processor way more powerful than you GPU,it would make no sense...you GPU wouldnt be able to output the needs of the CPU.The PS3's CPU is more powerful than the 360's CPU,but that doesnt matter because the PS3's just way to unbalanced,the RSX wont be able to put out what the Cell requires,just like with the PS2,it was very unbalanced with a good CPU but terrible GPU.The 360 has the better GPU,plus it has a equally as powerful CPU...both work in harmony,meaning you can get the full power out of the 360 because its completely balanced,just like the xbox.The PS2 had a better CPU than the Xbox,and the Xbox had the better GPU...like the PS3 vs 360,and now once again,the 360 has the better GPU and the PS3 has the better CPU,but the 360 also has a equally as powerful CPU,the PS3 does not.Devs wont ever be able to get the max power out of the PS3,due to the PS3's horrible architecture. In the long run,the PS3's Cell is just a waste,its dumb having a processor as powerful as the cell to have to work with crap...which is the RSX.
[QUOTE="rage8669"][QUOTE="raiden509"]am i the only whose head hurts now ? beatzfreak69
nah. it's just you and beatzfreak69. btw, that avatar is hilarious.
I'm good now. Just got home from work. I just can't understand sometimes how some people can be so dense. I'm not a computer whiz by any means. Then i remember that there are a lot of 11 year olds out there...
and there in lies the problem...11 year olds thinking they know everything. hell, i'm 21 and even i don't know everything but at least i do research and have almost 10 years experience and knowledge on computers. now like i said, i don't know everything, but at least i know more than these kids.
[QUOTE="GermanShepard06"][QUOTE="beatzfreak69"]Another thing. All of those numbers are theoretical maxes. It's also about efficiency. From what i understand the 360's GPU is like eighty something percent efficient, while the same cannot be said about the PS3's GPU.beatzfreak69
with x360's cpu design i dont think it can even reach 30%...
Fanboyism FTL?
Xenos is able to run at 100% efficiency,thanks to the unified architecture,and thats coming from ATi.http://www.xbox365.com/news.cgi?id=GGGLrrLGNd06101802
[QUOTE="wolverine4262"][QUOTE="SuperKnightX"][QUOTE="wolverine4262"][QUOTE="SuperKnightX"][QUOTE="Marka1700"][QUOTE="SuperKnightX"][QUOTE="MrGrimFandango"][QUOTE="Archx1"][QUOTE="SuperKnightX"]PS3>>>X360 according to John Carmack and Itagaki
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Yep eventhough they both said they liked the 360 better( because of dev tools and ease of programming) both said the PS3 is more powerful I really dont see why this is up for debate.
CPU is quite a bit more powerful than 360's. GPU is actually quite a bit slower than 360's. Its the trade off you dont want.
LOL way to spin it n00b. X360 has a "slight" advantage of PS3 GPU. PS3 has VERY significant advantage in CPU. Plus Itagaki and John Carmack say PS3 is overall more powerful. Never underestermate the effect of a slower gpu, making up for lost power with a cpu takes a hell of a lotCell is not a regular CPU dammit. Games like Lair and HS already show what the power of Cell+RSX can do. LOL... HS can't even do HDR and AA at the same time...It sure does..thats a myth lemming continue to dream about :lol:It does HDR, 4XAA and anisotropic filtering...all at the same time.
no, it does AA, with a simulated HDR... I believe its called NAO32...Its a more efficient way of doing HDr which uses only 1/8th of power from GPU. plus 4XAA + anisotropic filtering = complete ownage. Its a low quality emulated crap which consumes even more the already efficiency lacking ps3 bottleneck[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="wolverine4262"] LOL... HS can't even do HDR and AA at the same time...wolverine4262Yet,it looks better than most 360 games. I wonder just how important HDR and AA at the same time is...........pretty important.... especially considering you're paying $200 more... BTW, when Too Human's revealed next month, its going to Royally own HS... Hmmm Gears already looks better than heavenly flop.
2. hdr uses fp integers. agreed. if done by hardware in realtime, it is known as real hdr lighting. if done prior and values saved to be used later means simulation, meaning fake hdr. the same was done for crackdown's ray-tracing. the 360 cpu, as of this moment, can't handle streaming ray-tracing info, the cell can. the heaven sword devs stated themselves that in order to go around the hdr/aa limitation, the hdr was run san aa and the values stored so that when they re-introduce aa, they can use the previous hdr values and implement them in the game, ie fake hdr.
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 First off, there's no such thing as fp integers. They're two different ways of storing numbers, and they're completely different. Second, I'm not aware of of Heavenly Sword using any sort of pre-calculated HDR values, though I do know they're using a 32-bit buffer format called NAO32 that uses a different color space (as opposed to the ol' RGB color space). Like I said before, this is just as valid as using floating points to store HDR values, since its capable of storing values well beyond the 0 - 1 range. But if they are doing this, I'd like to see an article or link if you have one.
[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="-KinGz-"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"]As the Insomniac CCO said,the Xbox 360's GPU has-arguably-a slight advantage(This could mean an extra reflection here and there etc.) But the Ps3's CPU crushes the 360's,and when 3rd party devs finally get a hang of it,the true power of the Cell will come to life. Expect God Of War 3 to be the best looking game on any platform.killab2oo5actually is all the other way, xbox360 gpu>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ps3 gpu, ps3 cpu >>>>> xbox360 cpu No,the Ps3 Cpu demolishes the 360's cpu,whilst graphically they're exactly the same. In 2 years though,the Ps3's only competior in the graphics arena will be the Pc.You know with a good CPU like the Cell,you really need a good GPU...which the RSX is not.You cant have a processor way more powerful than you GPU,it would make no sense...you GPU wouldnt be able to output the needs of the CPU.The PS3's CPU is more powerful than the 360's CPU,but that doesnt matter because the PS3's just way to unbalanced,the RSX wont be able to put out what the Cell requires,just like with the PS2,it was very unbalanced with a good CPU but terrible GPU.The 360 has the better GPU,plus it has a equally as powerful CPU...both work in harmony,meaning you can get the full power out of the 360 because its completely balanced,just like the xbox.The PS2 had a better CPU than the Xbox,and the Xbox had the better GPU...like the PS3 vs 360,and now once again,the 360 has the better GPU and the PS3 has the better CPU,but the 360 also has a equally as powerful CPU,the PS3 does not.Devs wont ever be able to get the max power out of the PS3,due to the PS3's horrible architecture. In the long run,the PS3's Cell is just a waste,its dumb having a processor as powerful as the cell to have to work with crap...which is the RSX.
 actually the original xbox was overall better than the ps2. the ps2 had a cpu @ 300Mhz while the xbox had an off the shelf pc cpu, a pentium 3 @ 733Mhz. the gpu of the xbox was based on the geforce 4 mx which wasn't even out at the time. it had 32Mb vram while the ps2 had 8Mb vra. the ps2 had 32Mb of system ram (dram) while the xbox had 64Mb DDR system ram. the ps2 had a 1x dvd drive while the xbox had a 4x dvd drive. like i said, the xbox slaughtered the ps2.
[QUOTE="beatzfreak69"][QUOTE="GermanShepard06"][QUOTE="beatzfreak69"]Another thing. All of those numbers are theoretical maxes. It's also about efficiency. From what i understand the 360's GPU is like eighty something percent efficient, while the same cannot be said about the PS3's GPU.killab2oo5
with x360's cpu design i dont think it can even reach 30%...
Fanboyism FTL?
Xenos is able to run at 100% efficiency,thanks to the unified architecture,and thats coming from ATi.http://www.xbox365.com/news.cgi?id=GGGLrrLGNd06101802
Appreciate the back-up.
actually is all the other way, xbox360 gpu>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ps3 gpu, ps3 cpu >>>>> xbox360 cpu No,the Ps3 Cpu demolishes the 360's cpu,whilst graphically they're exactly the same. In 2 years though,the Ps3's only competior in the graphics arena will be the Pc.You know with a good CPU like the Cell,you really need a good GPU...which the RSX is not.You cant have a processor way more powerful than you GPU,it would make no sense...you GPU wouldnt be able to output the needs of the CPU.The PS3's CPU is more powerful than the 360's CPU,but that doesnt matter because the PS3's just way to unbalanced,the RSX wont be able to put out what the Cell requires,just like with the PS2,it was very unbalanced with a good CPU but terrible GPU.The 360 has the better GPU,plus it has a equally as powerful CPU...both work in harmony,meaning you can get the full power out of the 360 because its completely balanced,just like the xbox.The PS2 had a better CPU than the Xbox,and the Xbox had the better GPU...like the PS3 vs 360,and now once again,the 360 has the better GPU and the PS3 has the better CPU,but the 360 also has a equally as powerful CPU,the PS3 does not.Devs wont ever be able to get the max power out of the PS3,due to the PS3's horrible architecture. In the long run,the PS3's Cell is just a waste,its dumb having a processor as powerful as the cell to have to work with crap...which is the RSX.[QUOTE="killab2oo5"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="-KinGz-"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"]As the Insomniac CCO said,the Xbox 360's GPU has-arguably-a slight advantage(This could mean an extra reflection here and there etc.) But the Ps3's CPU crushes the 360's,and when 3rd party devs finally get a hang of it,the true power of the Cell will come to life. Expect God Of War 3 to be the best looking game on any platform.rage8669
actually the original xbox was overall better than the ps2. the ps2 had a cpu @ 300Mhz while the xbox had an off the shelf pc cpu, a pentium 3 @ 733Mhz. the gpu of the xbox was based on the geforce 4 mx which wasn't even out at the time. it had 32Mb vram while the ps2 had 8Mb vra. the ps2 had 32Mb of system ram (dram) while the xbox had 64Mb DDR system ram. the ps2 had a 1x dvd drive while the xbox had a 4x dvd drive. like i said, the xbox slaughtered the ps2.
for a secound there I thought you said the xbox had 4 DVD drives lmaoactually is all the other way, xbox360 gpu>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ps3 gpu, ps3 cpu >>>>> xbox360 cpu No,the Ps3 Cpu demolishes the 360's cpu,whilst graphically they're exactly the same. In 2 years though,the Ps3's only competior in the graphics arena will be the Pc.You know with a good CPU like the Cell,you really need a good GPU...which the RSX is not.You cant have a processor way more powerful than you GPU,it would make no sense...you GPU wouldnt be able to output the needs of the CPU.The PS3's CPU is more powerful than the 360's CPU,but that doesnt matter because the PS3's just way to unbalanced,the RSX wont be able to put out what the Cell requires,just like with the PS2,it was very unbalanced with a good CPU but terrible GPU.The 360 has the better GPU,plus it has a equally as powerful CPU...both work in harmony,meaning you can get the full power out of the 360 because its completely balanced,just like the xbox.The PS2 had a better CPU than the Xbox,and the Xbox had the better GPU...like the PS3 vs 360,and now once again,the 360 has the better GPU and the PS3 has the better CPU,but the 360 also has a equally as powerful CPU,the PS3 does not.Devs wont ever be able to get the max power out of the PS3,due to the PS3's horrible architecture. In the long run,the PS3's Cell is just a waste,its dumb having a processor as powerful as the cell to have to work with crap...which is the RSX.[QUOTE="killab2oo5"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="-KinGz-"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"]As the Insomniac CCO said,the Xbox 360's GPU has-arguably-a slight advantage(This could mean an extra reflection here and there etc.) But the Ps3's CPU crushes the 360's,and when 3rd party devs finally get a hang of it,the true power of the Cell will come to life. Expect God Of War 3 to be the best looking game on any platform.rage8669
 actually the original xbox was overall better than the ps2. the ps2 had a cpu @ 300Mhz while the xbox had an off the shelf pc cpu, a pentium 3 @ 733Mhz. the gpu of the xbox was based on the geforce 4 mx which wasn't even out at the time. it had 32Mb vram while the ps2 had 8Mb vra. the ps2 had 32Mb of system ram (dram) while the xbox had 64Mb DDR system ram. the ps2 had a 1x dvd drive while the xbox had a 4x dvd drive. like i said, the xbox slaughtered the ps2.
Are you sure?This whole time ive been convinced the PS2 has the better CPU.Â
http://www.pcvsconsole.com/features/consoles/
Thats a comparison of the 4 systems (Dreamcast included).
[QUOTE="rage8669"]2. hdr uses fp integers. agreed. if done by hardware in realtime, it is known as real hdr lighting. if done prior and values saved to be used later means simulation, meaning fake hdr. the same was done for crackdown's ray-tracing. the 360 cpu, as of this moment, can't handle streaming ray-tracing info, the cell can. the heaven sword devs stated themselves that in order to go around the hdr/aa limitation, the hdr was run san aa and the values stored so that when they re-introduce aa, they can use the previous hdr values and implement them in the game, ie fake hdr.
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First off, there's no such thing as fp integers. They're two different ways of storing numbers, and they're completely different. Second, I'm not aware of of Heavenly Sword using any sort of pre-calculated HDR values, though I do know they're using a 32-bit buffer format called NAO32 that uses a different color space (as opposed to the ol' RGB color space). Like I said before, this is just as valid as using floating points to store HDR values, since its capable of storing values well beyond the 0 - 1 range. But if they are doing this, I'd like to see an article or link if you have one.
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you're right. i misread. as it turns out, both are considered true hdr. fp16 and fp32 are widely used for hdr and uses a lot of vram due to the fact it uses rgb color spacing. nao32 and nao24 use a different color spacing CIE luv and is used for gpu's that can't handle msaa with fp16 or fp32 simultaneously. basically, fp16 and fp32 are hardware based and nao24 and nao32 are software based, all provide the same end-result but nao is less taxing on hardware.
[QUOTE="rage8669"]actually is all the other way, xbox360 gpu>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ps3 gpu, ps3 cpu >>>>> xbox360 cpu No,the Ps3 Cpu demolishes the 360's cpu,whilst graphically they're exactly the same. In 2 years though,the Ps3's only competior in the graphics arena will be the Pc.You know with a good CPU like the Cell,you really need a good GPU...which the RSX is not.You cant have a processor way more powerful than you GPU,it would make no sense...you GPU wouldnt be able to output the needs of the CPU.The PS3's CPU is more powerful than the 360's CPU,but that doesnt matter because the PS3's just way to unbalanced,the RSX wont be able to put out what the Cell requires,just like with the PS2,it was very unbalanced with a good CPU but terrible GPU.The 360 has the better GPU,plus it has a equally as powerful CPU...both work in harmony,meaning you can get the full power out of the 360 because its completely balanced,just like the xbox.The PS2 had a better CPU than the Xbox,and the Xbox had the better GPU...like the PS3 vs 360,and now once again,the 360 has the better GPU and the PS3 has the better CPU,but the 360 also has a equally as powerful CPU,the PS3 does not.Devs wont ever be able to get the max power out of the PS3,due to the PS3's horrible architecture. In the long run,the PS3's Cell is just a waste,its dumb having a processor as powerful as the cell to have to work with crap...which is the RSX.[QUOTE="killab2oo5"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="-KinGz-"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"]As the Insomniac CCO said,the Xbox 360's GPU has-arguably-a slight advantage(This could mean an extra reflection here and there etc.) But the Ps3's CPU crushes the 360's,and when 3rd party devs finally get a hang of it,the true power of the Cell will come to life. Expect God Of War 3 to be the best looking game on any platform.killab2oo5
actually the original xbox was overall better than the ps2. the ps2 had a cpu @ 300Mhz while the xbox had an off the shelf pc cpu, a pentium 3 @ 733Mhz. the gpu of the xbox was based on the geforce 4 mx which wasn't even out at the time. it had 32Mb vram while the ps2 had 8Mb vra. the ps2 had 32Mb of system ram (dram) while the xbox had 64Mb DDR system ram. the ps2 had a 1x dvd drive while the xbox had a 4x dvd drive. like i said, the xbox slaughtered the ps2.
Are you sure?This whole time ive been convinced the PS2 has the better CPU.Â
http://www.pcvsconsole.com/features/consoles/
Thats a comparison of the 4 systems (Dreamcast included).
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i'm sure. check the links.
ps2: link
xbox: link
remember, "flops" such as gigaflops and teraflops are theoretical and are rarely ever met.Â
this thread is going no where .the guy is a game dev and he says the ps3 in the long run will look better cuz of the mass cpu diffrence .
this thread needs to go Â
[QUOTE="beatzfreak69"][QUOTE="GermanShepard06"][QUOTE="beatzfreak69"]Another thing. All of those numbers are theoretical maxes. It's also about efficiency. From what i understand the 360's GPU is like eighty something percent efficient, while the same cannot be said about the PS3's GPU.killab2oo5
with x360's cpu design i dont think it can even reach 30%...
Fanboyism FTL?
Xenos is able to run at 100% efficiency,thanks to the unified architecture,and thats coming from ATi.http://www.xbox365.com/news.cgi?id=GGGLrrLGNd06101802
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There's no such thing as "100% efficiency". Even with all 48 shaders being used at once for vertex or pixel shading, it doesn't mean you're using all of the ALU's due to the ratio of math and texture operations in the shaders.  Â
[QUOTE="Dualshockin"]As the Insomniac CCO said,the Xbox 360's GPU has-arguably-a slight advantage(This could mean an extra reflection here and there etc.) But the Ps3's CPU crushes the 360's,and when 3rd party devs finally get a hang of it,the true power of the Cell will come to life. Expect God Of War 3 to be the best looking game on any platform.-KinGz-actually is all the other way, xbox360 gpu>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ps3 gpu, ps3 cpu >>>>> xbox360 cpu I seem to recall people saying Oblivion looks more "crisp and detail" on the PS3 version. :)
[QUOTE="-KinGz-"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"]As the Insomniac CCO said,the Xbox 360's GPU has-arguably-a slight advantage(This could mean an extra reflection here and there etc.) But the Ps3's CPU crushes the 360's,and when 3rd party devs finally get a hang of it,the true power of the Cell will come to life. Expect God Of War 3 to be the best looking game on any platform.RotaryRX7actually is all the other way, xbox360 gpu>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ps3 gpu, ps3 cpu >>>>> xbox360 cpu I seem to recall people saying Oblivion looks more "crisp and detail" on the PS3 version. :)
 well, with an extra year of development time it should. if it didn't, it would either be 1) the system is crap or 2) the developer is a joke.
[QUOTE="djxaquaxblue"]Put it this way...with all that techincal data everyone is showing on these forums...i bet you none of us understand it. djxaquaxblue
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[QUOTE="Dualshockin"]As the Insomniac CCO said,the Xbox 360's GPU has-arguably-a slight advantage(This could mean an extra reflection here and there etc.) But the Ps3's CPU crushes the 360's,and when 3rd party devs finally get a hang of it,the true power of the Cell will come to life. Expect God Of War 3 to be the best looking game on any platform.-KinGz-actually is all the other way, xbox360 gpu>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ps3 gpu, ps3 cpu >>>>> xbox360 cpu
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Then explain to me why PS3 games are rivaling gears of war when ps3 is only 4Â months out of the gate:| Not to mention 360 is easier to develop for than PS3.
[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="-KinGz-"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"]As the Insomniac CCO said,the Xbox 360's GPU has-arguably-a slight advantage(This could mean an extra reflection here and there etc.) But the Ps3's CPU crushes the 360's,and when 3rd party devs finally get a hang of it,the true power of the Cell will come to life. Expect God Of War 3 to be the best looking game on any platform.Resident_Fan_actually is all the other way, xbox360 gpu>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ps3 gpu, ps3 cpu >>>>> xbox360 cpu No,the Ps3 Cpu demolishes the 360's cpu,whilst graphically they're exactly the same. In 2 years though,the Ps3's only competior in the graphics arena will be the Pc. Keep dreaming cow
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No, he's not dreaming. You are!
actually is all the other way, xbox360 gpu>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ps3 gpu, ps3 cpu >>>>> xbox360 cpu[QUOTE="-KinGz-"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"]As the Insomniac CCO said,the Xbox 360's GPU has-arguably-a slight advantage(This could mean an extra reflection here and there etc.) But the Ps3's CPU crushes the 360's,and when 3rd party devs finally get a hang of it,the true power of the Cell will come to life. Expect God Of War 3 to be the best looking game on any platform.GoldenGamer99
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Then explain to me why PS3 games are rivaling gears of war when ps3 is only 4Â months out of the gate:| Not to mention 360 is easier to develop for than PS3.
Are you kidding me just because the PS3 launch was in November does not mean that game devs didn't have extra time to work on stuff. Secondly if you remember the PS3 was scheduled to come out much much earlier then it did, so devs were already working on their games for PS3 for a longggg time. So stop comparing this 1 year to 4 month stuff.[QUOTE="GoldenGamer99"]actually is all the other way, xbox360 gpu>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ps3 gpu, ps3 cpu >>>>> xbox360 cpu[QUOTE="-KinGz-"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"]As the Insomniac CCO said,the Xbox 360's GPU has-arguably-a slight advantage(This could mean an extra reflection here and there etc.) But the Ps3's CPU crushes the 360's,and when 3rd party devs finally get a hang of it,the true power of the Cell will come to life. Expect God Of War 3 to be the best looking game on any platform.xscrapzx
Then explain to me why PS3 games are rivaling gears of war when ps3 is only 4 months out of the gate:| Not to mention 360 is easier to develop for than PS3.
Are you kidding me just because the PS3 launch was in November does not mean that game devs didn't have extra time to work on stuff. Secondly if you remember the PS3 was scheduled to come out much much earlier then it did, so devs were already working on their games for PS3 for a longggg time. So stop comparing this 1 year to 4 month stuff.you are wrong . they were not working on ps3 games for that long . they dint even have dev kits tll aug[QUOTE="GoldenGamer99"]actually is all the other way, xbox360 gpu>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ps3 gpu, ps3 cpu >>>>> xbox360 cpu[QUOTE="-KinGz-"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"]As the Insomniac CCO said,the Xbox 360's GPU has-arguably-a slight advantage(This could mean an extra reflection here and there etc.) But the Ps3's CPU crushes the 360's,and when 3rd party devs finally get a hang of it,the true power of the Cell will come to life. Expect God Of War 3 to be the best looking game on any platform.xscrapzx
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Then explain to me why PS3 games are rivaling gears of war when ps3 is only 4Â months out of the gate:| Not to mention 360 is easier to develop for than PS3.
Are you kidding me just because the PS3 launch was in November does not mean that game devs didn't have extra time to work on stuff. Secondly if you remember the PS3 was scheduled to come out much much earlier then it did, so devs were already working on their games for PS3 for a longggg time. So stop comparing this 1 year to 4 month stuff.Â
So are you trying to say devs had as much time with PS3 as they did with 360? Playstation just gave out Playstation Edge to devs. PS3 has barely stood up yet while 360 has stretched its legs. Get it.
actually is all the other way, xbox360 gpu>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ps3 gpu, ps3 cpu >>>>> xbox360 cpu No,the Ps3 Cpu demolishes the 360's cpu,whilst graphically they're exactly the same. In 2 years though,the Ps3's only competior in the graphics arena will be the Pc. Keep dreaming cow[QUOTE="Resident_Fan_"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="-KinGz-"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"]As the Insomniac CCO said,the Xbox 360's GPU has-arguably-a slight advantage(This could mean an extra reflection here and there etc.) But the Ps3's CPU crushes the 360's,and when 3rd party devs finally get a hang of it,the true power of the Cell will come to life. Expect God Of War 3 to be the best looking game on any platform.GoldenGamer99
No, he's not dreaming. You are!
Cow logic :roll: the cell is a powerfull processor but it havent prove this on games yet, so keep dreaming cows, I remember when sony said PS2 will have ''TOY STORY graphics'' im still waiting for the secret power of the ps2 :roll: in 2 years pc will be even better than 360 and ps3.[QUOTE="GoldenGamer99"]actually is all the other way, xbox360 gpu>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ps3 gpu, ps3 cpu >>>>> xbox360 cpu[QUOTE="-KinGz-"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"]As the Insomniac CCO said,the Xbox 360's GPU has-arguably-a slight advantage(This could mean an extra reflection here and there etc.) But the Ps3's CPU crushes the 360's,and when 3rd party devs finally get a hang of it,the true power of the Cell will come to life. Expect God Of War 3 to be the best looking game on any platform.xscrapzx
Then explain to me why PS3 games are rivaling gears of war when ps3 is only 4 months out of the gate:| Not to mention 360 is easier to develop for than PS3.
Are you kidding me just because the PS3 launch was in November does not mean that game devs didn't have extra time to work on stuff. Secondly if you remember the PS3 was scheduled to come out much much earlier then it did, so devs were already working on their games for PS3 for a longggg time. So stop comparing this 1 year to 4 month stuff. Well it's the same case for X360, devs were working on X360 long before it came out, and since it came out before PS3, that means devs still had a longer time to work with the X360.The only thing I don't get is that Oblivion was made for the 360 primary..you can tell from the PC version by it's menus..How long were they working on the 360 version..I bet longer than the PS3 version.
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[QUOTE="xscrapzx"][QUOTE="GoldenGamer99"]actually is all the other way, xbox360 gpu>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ps3 gpu, ps3 cpu >>>>> xbox360 cpu[QUOTE="-KinGz-"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"]As the Insomniac CCO said,the Xbox 360's GPU has-arguably-a slight advantage(This could mean an extra reflection here and there etc.) But the Ps3's CPU crushes the 360's,and when 3rd party devs finally get a hang of it,the true power of the Cell will come to life. Expect God Of War 3 to be the best looking game on any platform.GoldenGamer99
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Then explain to me why PS3 games are rivaling gears of war when ps3 is only 4Â months out of the gate:| Not to mention 360 is easier to develop for than PS3.
Are you kidding me just because the PS3 launch was in November does not mean that game devs didn't have extra time to work on stuff. Secondly if you remember the PS3 was scheduled to come out much much earlier then it did, so devs were already working on their games for PS3 for a longggg time. So stop comparing this 1 year to 4 month stuff.Â
So are you trying to say devs had as much time with PS3 as they did with 360? Playstation just gave out Playstation Edge to devs. PS3 has barely stood up yet while 360 has stretched its legs. Get it.
So you mean to tell me that some of the games that have come out for the PS3 were made in three months, you have no clue what you are talking about. There were shots for motorstorm a year before PS3 even came out, the bottom line is you guys are sitting here saying well you know the PS3 came out only 4 months ago and the graphics are terrific blah blah, you would know I would hope to god that the graphics are nice consindering you are paying good money for a system. I mean use your head. What do you think because a system came out 4 months ago the graphics are going to be horrific.?Ya but you know what they could do with the PS3 version? They could clear some of things up that were wrong with the 360 and make them look better on the system. If you could go back and fix some things and make them look better you would. Hence when the 360 version came out, then they started developing it for the PS3 and they were like hey we should do this because that will make this look better and so forth.The only thing I don't get is that Oblivion was made for the 360 primary..you can tell from the PC version by it's menus..How long were they working on the 360 version..I bet longer than the PS3 version.
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[QUOTE="GoldenGamer99"]actually is all the other way, xbox360 gpu>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ps3 gpu, ps3 cpu >>>>> xbox360 cpu No,the Ps3 Cpu demolishes the 360's cpu,whilst graphically they're exactly the same. In 2 years though,the Ps3's only competior in the graphics arena will be the Pc. Keep dreaming cow[QUOTE="Resident_Fan_"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="-KinGz-"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"]As the Insomniac CCO said,the Xbox 360's GPU has-arguably-a slight advantage(This could mean an extra reflection here and there etc.) But the Ps3's CPU crushes the 360's,and when 3rd party devs finally get a hang of it,the true power of the Cell will come to life. Expect God Of War 3 to be the best looking game on any platform.Resident_Fan_
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No, he's not dreaming. You are!
Cow logic :roll: the cell is a powerfull processor but it havent prove this on games yet, so keep dreaming cows, I remember when sony said PS2 will have ''TOY STORY graphics'' im still waiting for the secret power of the ps2 :roll: in 2 years pc will be even better than 360 and ps3.Â
Yeah and Halo 3 was supposed to look like the trailer, look how that turned out. Also Madden 06 was supposed to look like the trailer for 360. Oh, and Microsoft was supposed to sell a Billion 360s. Nice trying to pin PS3 as an under-deliverer when its been out 4 months, 360 hasn't lived up to its hype and its been out longer. But because you're a Lemming, you choose to only downplay Sony. Nice:roll:
[QUOTE="xscrapzx"][QUOTE="GoldenGamer99"]actually is all the other way, xbox360 gpu>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ps3 gpu, ps3 cpu >>>>> xbox360 cpu[QUOTE="-KinGz-"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"]As the Insomniac CCO said,the Xbox 360's GPU has-arguably-a slight advantage(This could mean an extra reflection here and there etc.) But the Ps3's CPU crushes the 360's,and when 3rd party devs finally get a hang of it,the true power of the Cell will come to life. Expect God Of War 3 to be the best looking game on any platform.Perception1
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Then explain to me why PS3 games are rivaling gears of war when ps3 is only 4 months out of the gate:| Not to mention 360 is easier to develop for than PS3.
Are you kidding me just because the PS3 launch was in November does not mean that game devs didn't have extra time to work on stuff. Secondly if you remember the PS3 was scheduled to come out much much earlier then it did, so devs were already working on their games for PS3 for a longggg time. So stop comparing this 1 year to 4 month stuff. Well it's the same case for X360, devs were working on X360 long before it came out, and since it came out before PS3, that means devs still had a longer time to work with the X360.Â
Thank you!!!!, its nice to see someone on these forums aren't Lemming-headed.
[QUOTE="-KinGz-"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"]As the Insomniac CCO said,the Xbox 360's GPU has-arguably-a slight advantage(This could mean an extra reflection here and there etc.) But the Ps3's CPU crushes the 360's,and when 3rd party devs finally get a hang of it,the true power of the Cell will come to life. Expect God Of War 3 to be the best looking game on any platform.Dualshockinactually is all the other way, xbox360 gpu>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ps3 gpu, ps3 cpu >>>>> xbox360 cpu No,the Ps3 Cpu demolishes the 360's cpu,whilst graphically they're exactly the same. In 2 years though,the Ps3's only competior in the graphics arena will be the Pc.Sorry but PC will always be ahead. How can PS3 produce DX10. When it's card generation wasn't even out when DX10 was finally finalized. Hmmmmmmmm..... I didn't think so!
[QUOTE="Resident_Fan_"][QUOTE="GoldenGamer99"]actually is all the other way, xbox360 gpu>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ps3 gpu, ps3 cpu >>>>> xbox360 cpu No,the Ps3 Cpu demolishes the 360's cpu,whilst graphically they're exactly the same. In 2 years though,the Ps3's only competior in the graphics arena will be the Pc. Keep dreaming cow[QUOTE="Resident_Fan_"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="-KinGz-"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"]As the Insomniac CCO said,the Xbox 360's GPU has-arguably-a slight advantage(This could mean an extra reflection here and there etc.) But the Ps3's CPU crushes the 360's,and when 3rd party devs finally get a hang of it,the true power of the Cell will come to life. Expect God Of War 3 to be the best looking game on any platform.GoldenGamer99
No, he's not dreaming. You are!
Cow logic :roll: the cell is a powerfull processor but it havent prove this on games yet, so keep dreaming cows, I remember when sony said PS2 will have ''TOY STORY graphics'' im still waiting for the secret power of the ps2 :roll: in 2 years pc will be even better than 360 and ps3.Yeah and Halo 3 was supposed to look like the trailer, look how that turned out. Also Madden 06 was supposed to look like the trailer for 360. Oh, and Microsoft was supposed to sell a Billion 360s. Nice trying to pin PS3 as an under-deliverer when its been out 4 months, 360 hasn't lived up to its hype and its been out longer. But because you're a Lemming, you choose to only downplay Sony. Nice:roll:
Wow the new excuse from cows, bu bu bu teh 4months :(, how do u know that halo 3'll not look like the trailer? even if doesnt look like who cares? the gameplay will rock.Ps3 GPU is powerful, and 360 GPU can cure cancer, put a man in mars, etc...darcom1
My X1900XT folds faster. ;)
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The Xenos used in lets say mass effect, will most likely use 32 shaders, and 16 vertex shaders. Look at armored core 4, runs faster and looks better on the 360. Framerate drops alot on the PS3 ver, thats not good.
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Its gpu pulls alot of weight, about 70% power of the total power. Each shader can do vec+scalar just like the 24 RSX shaders. Also people dont understand why the eDRAM makes such a HUGE difference, 4xAA+FP10 HDR can be made to have only 5-10% decrease in performance. PS3 games will get better looking and run faster, but it is still 6-8 months away.
[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="-KinGz-"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"]As the Insomniac CCO said,the Xbox 360's GPU has-arguably-a slight advantage(This could mean an extra reflection here and there etc.) But the Ps3's CPU crushes the 360's,and when 3rd party devs finally get a hang of it,the true power of the Cell will come to life. Expect God Of War 3 to be the best looking game on any platform.Fusibleactually is all the other way, xbox360 gpu>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ps3 gpu, ps3 cpu >>>>> xbox360 cpu No,the Ps3 Cpu demolishes the 360's cpu,whilst graphically they're exactly the same. In 2 years though,the Ps3's only competior in the graphics arena will be the Pc.Sorry but PC will always be ahead. How can PS3 produce DX10. When it's card generation wasn't even out when DX10 was finally finalized. Hmmmmmmmm..... I didn't think so! Even the card inside xbox360 has some DX10 features, not all of them but some.
[QUOTE="GoldenGamer99"][QUOTE="Resident_Fan_"][QUOTE="GoldenGamer99"]actually is all the other way, xbox360 gpu>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ps3 gpu, ps3 cpu >>>>> xbox360 cpu No,the Ps3 Cpu demolishes the 360's cpu,whilst graphically they're exactly the same. In 2 years though,the Ps3's only competior in the graphics arena will be the Pc. Keep dreaming cow[QUOTE="Resident_Fan_"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="-KinGz-"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"]As the Insomniac CCO said,the Xbox 360's GPU has-arguably-a slight advantage(This could mean an extra reflection here and there etc.) But the Ps3's CPU crushes the 360's,and when 3rd party devs finally get a hang of it,the true power of the Cell will come to life. Expect God Of War 3 to be the best looking game on any platform.Resident_Fan_
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No, he's not dreaming. You are!
Cow logic :roll: the cell is a powerfull processor but it havent prove this on games yet, so keep dreaming cows, I remember when sony said PS2 will have ''TOY STORY graphics'' im still waiting for the secret power of the ps2 :roll: in 2 years pc will be even better than 360 and ps3.Â
Yeah and Halo 3 was supposed to look like the trailer, look how that turned out. Also Madden 06 was supposed to look like the trailer for 360. Oh, and Microsoft was supposed to sell a Billion 360s. Nice trying to pin PS3 as an under-deliverer when its been out 4 months, 360 hasn't lived up to its hype and its been out longer. But because you're a Lemming, you choose to only downplay Sony. Nice:roll:
Wow the new excuse from cows, bu bu bu teh 4months :(, how do u know that halo 3'll not look like the trailer? even if doesnt look like who cares? the gameplay will rock.Â
Its been out 4 months, this isn't an excuse, its fact;) go and play Gears, the only good game for your console after a year and a half. Good to be a Lemming huh?:lol:
[QUOTE="GoldenGamer99"]actually is all the other way, xbox360 gpu>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ps3 gpu, ps3 cpu >>>>> xbox360 cpu No,the Ps3 Cpu demolishes the 360's cpu,whilst graphically they're exactly the same. In 2 years though,the Ps3's only competior in the graphics arena will be the Pc. Keep dreaming cow[QUOTE="Resident_Fan_"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="-KinGz-"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"]As the Insomniac CCO said,the Xbox 360's GPU has-arguably-a slight advantage(This could mean an extra reflection here and there etc.) But the Ps3's CPU crushes the 360's,and when 3rd party devs finally get a hang of it,the true power of the Cell will come to life. Expect God Of War 3 to be the best looking game on any platform.Resident_Fan_
No, he's not dreaming. You are!
Cow logic :roll: the cell is a powerfull processor but it havent prove this on games yet, so keep dreaming cows, I remember when sony said PS2 will have ''TOY STORY graphics'' im still waiting for the secret power of the ps2 :roll: in 2 years pc will be even better than 360 and ps3. From my understanding, the reporters said that, not Sony.[QUOTE="xscrapzx"][QUOTE="GoldenGamer99"]actually is all the other way, xbox360 gpu>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ps3 gpu, ps3 cpu >>>>> xbox360 cpu[QUOTE="-KinGz-"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"]As the Insomniac CCO said,the Xbox 360's GPU has-arguably-a slight advantage(This could mean an extra reflection here and there etc.) But the Ps3's CPU crushes the 360's,and when 3rd party devs finally get a hang of it,the true power of the Cell will come to life. Expect God Of War 3 to be the best looking game on any platform.Perception1
Then explain to me why PS3 games are rivaling gears of war when ps3 is only 4 months out of the gate:| Not to mention 360 is easier to develop for than PS3.
Are you kidding me just because the PS3 launch was in November does not mean that game devs didn't have extra time to work on stuff. Secondly if you remember the PS3 was scheduled to come out much much earlier then it did, so devs were already working on their games for PS3 for a longggg time. So stop comparing this 1 year to 4 month stuff. Well it's the same case for X360, devs were working on X360 long before it came out, and since it came out before PS3, that means devs still had a longer time to work with the X360. My point exactly so don't use this as an excuse to say well the PS3 is much better because look at the graphics its putting out after only four months, thats a foolish statement to make and if any xbox owner said the same thing I would say that to them as well. The bottom line is I see it more from PS3 fans then anything. "Oh PS3 has been out for four months look at the graphics", I mean honestly what the hell does that mean? Are you kidding me, so what you are trying to say by that statement is that becuase a new-gen system comes out that its not supposed to have good graphics? I mean I understand that devs are still trying to figure out what they can do with the systems themselves, but I mean PS3 fans are like sooo happy that in 4 months their system has good graphics. I just don't understand that of course it is supposed to have good graphics its common sense.[QUOTE="Resident_Fan_"][QUOTE="GoldenGamer99"][QUOTE="Resident_Fan_"][QUOTE="GoldenGamer99"]actually is all the other way, xbox360 gpu>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ps3 gpu, ps3 cpu >>>>> xbox360 cpu No,the Ps3 Cpu demolishes the 360's cpu,whilst graphically they're exactly the same. In 2 years though,the Ps3's only competior in the graphics arena will be the Pc. Keep dreaming cow[QUOTE="Resident_Fan_"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="-KinGz-"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"]As the Insomniac CCO said,the Xbox 360's GPU has-arguably-a slight advantage(This could mean an extra reflection here and there etc.) But the Ps3's CPU crushes the 360's,and when 3rd party devs finally get a hang of it,the true power of the Cell will come to life. Expect God Of War 3 to be the best looking game on any platform.GoldenGamer99
No, he's not dreaming. You are!
Cow logic :roll: the cell is a powerfull processor but it havent prove this on games yet, so keep dreaming cows, I remember when sony said PS2 will have ''TOY STORY graphics'' im still waiting for the secret power of the ps2 :roll: in 2 years pc will be even better than 360 and ps3.Yeah and Halo 3 was supposed to look like the trailer, look how that turned out. Also Madden 06 was supposed to look like the trailer for 360. Oh, and Microsoft was supposed to sell a Billion 360s. Nice trying to pin PS3 as an under-deliverer when its been out 4 months, 360 hasn't lived up to its hype and its been out longer. But because you're a Lemming, you choose to only downplay Sony. Nice:roll:
Wow the new excuse from cows, bu bu bu teh 4months :(, how do u know that halo 3'll not look like the trailer? even if doesnt look like who cares? the gameplay will rock.Its been out 4 months, this isn't an excuse, its fact;) go and play Gears, the only good game for your console after a year and a half. Good to be a Lemming huh?:lol:
Only good game? poor n00b xbox360 has plenty of good games, and let me ask u a question how many good games ps3 has? :roll: oh wait motorstorm floped resistance isnt that good either. only good game so far is oblivion and u got that after a year later :lol:
These stats can boastfully disguise one simple truth.
The power of the CPU to many people, is not understood from those who have little knowledge of how the central processing unit operates. You can give an end-user plenty of schematics and full explainations, providing false sensations of security, in that one console is superior by a higher digit, but there is a hefty lacking in what reason we could come to.
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Let's suppose, that a console has hardware that is "powerful". Do not be mislead, by speculation or imagination, because what is true about the advantage of a game is limited by how the developer manages his resource, from programming experience, and his or her involvement with adapting to existing proprietary software that can be bought to be included by an annual license. The developer can not create improvements to how electricity flows from the CPU, or how he or she can manipulate it's instruction to be self prepetual, because today's developer is unaware of assembly science in how to exploit how a motherboard, it's city of circuits, and how the distribution is moved throughout the system, which isn't withholding the CPU.
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All you'll see is more involvement with standard loops, taking advantages of how animations can be randomized. This will only be more flexibility from what your DDR Ram or what ram is beneficial of the time; if given a proper size can demonstrate an advantage; should you consider that the CPU is handling other things that will not improve graphics, then perhapes a bigger picture can be sought, and seen. This is why GPUs are important. Your CPU is handling arithmetic and depending on the conditions, or decision statements provided, will the computer act, accordingly.
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It's how the over-all design is done that makes the impression of what a game promotes. The CPU gets too much credit, and is misunderstood entirely.
What continues as time progresses is pure laziness on the part of people who think they know more in the CSIT world, especially since the console has always been a computer with everything that is a computer, and not what people may feel a console should be.
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The stats between consoles is only a scam to mislead a legion into deception. The selling point is how the game is presented by any cheap trick thought up to market us with a illusion of what we'd like to believe in "power."
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