Reason number six zillion why PC gaming rules

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]And then of course, no matter what console you buy, you pay nearly TWICE the price for a new game if you get it on a console as opposed to getting it on the PC.xsubtownerx

+ Nintendo. Over-priced console. Over-priced games. Releasing new add-ons for the Wii Mote to make it do the things it was supposed to do in the first place. Weak online support.Ninja-Hippo

No. New games are around €40-50, which is actually cheaper than they were in the N64 era (at least here).

[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]And then of course, no matter what console you buy, you pay nearly TWICE the price for a new game if you get it on a console as opposed to getting it on the PC.Hexagon_777

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"] Why does everyone say this? You know you can hook up a PC to a HDTV, I really don't see how you couldn't considering it's been beaten over your consolite heads forever now. Almost all video cards made come with HDMI inputs now, you don't even need separate wires for the speakers, because the vid cards have built in sound.Mystic-G

Did I just blow your mind?

[QUOTE="Mystic-G"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"]Ugh. The cult of hardware strikes again. There's a huge difference between "plug in a HDMI cable here and here, and it'll work" and "designed to be operated start to finish from a couch with a gamepad."lowe0

Did I just blow your mind?

My brothers been using the setup for over a 3 months now, and he's never came to me reporting any problems. It seems like people are afraid of learning something these days. If you find a problem, you google it. It's not hard. Reading for 10 minutes isn't going to kill you. :roll:

Your forgot that PC gamers have to put up with drm.alexside1

DRM is only for 2 games dude the rest is fine.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]To make my PC work with my HDTV, i plugged an HDMI cable into the back of it, and then plugged the other end into my TV.Teufelhuhn

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]

And then of course, no matter what console you buy, you pay nearly TWICE the price for a new game if you get it on a console as opposed to getting it on the PC.

xsubtownerx

Reading for 10 minutes isn't going to kill you. :roll:Dataleak

...I built my gaming PC this year for 500 dollars.

Edit: And that was with a bluray drive(What a waste) and all peripherals.

ritz2

yes PC Gaming does Rule. but i cant live without Console Gaming :Pforza420

:P

I'm not sure if this is a windows 7 feature or what but i literally just plugged my computer into the TV, pressed the source button on my TV remote 'til it got to HDMI and there was my PC running on my TV just fine.

Ninja-Hippo

I dont know what the deal is in the states, but a new PC game in the UK is £24.99 - a new console game is £39.99-£44.99 Further, you cant just ignore Steam altogether. I've played some of the best games of this gen and got them off steam for ten bucks.

Ninja-Hippo

i didnt read all of this but the pc for gaming is BORING

[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"][QUOTE="xsubtownerx"] Um.. what? Or better yet, "lulwut"? Double the price? Where? How? Who? Looks about the same to me. - I guess I could also mention that PC games have zero resell value. - Of course you can throw in steam prices, but for people who like to collect games (like me), a digital file is the equivalent to dust. Worthless in the long run.xsubtownerx

That's good then. I just find it extremely odd when I see fellow gamers pledging to give up gaming when digital distribution takes over simply because they cannot collect game boxes anymore. I may sound melodramatic here but it does sadden me to an extent.

[QUOTE="Dataleak"]Reading for 10 minutes isn't going to kill you. :roll:Mystic-G

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[QUOTE="Dataleak"]Reading for 10 minutes isn't going to kill you. :roll:lowe0

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Mystic-G"] Well clearly... they read plenty enough in SW and debating. 360 and PS3 may have UI built for gamepads but PCs can also do millions of more things than consoles and the things they do have in common, PC clearly does a better job at sooooo.... yea. I guess a little give and take there. ;)

Mystic-G

People keep making ignorant comments on the price of a gaming PC so let me crush that criticism.

Here is a PC for close to 500 USD that can play Crysis on near max settings at 1680x1050 res.

If you are a college student you can get this set up for 70 USD cheaper since you can grab windows 7 for 30 bucks.

It can play just about every game at max settings with 1680x1050 res.

Plus it can do much more than a console.

Just about every one of you has a computer of their own so you should add in the cost of that computer and your console and then try comparing that to a gaming PC.

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]A 4000 $ console with upgrades every 15 days? No thanks. And I've played Crysis at a friend and it didn't even look that good. UC2 is graphics king.93soccer

[QUOTE="93soccer"][QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]A 4000 $ console with upgrades every 15 days? No thanks. And I've played Crysis at a friend and it didn't even look that good. UC2 is graphics king.Go1D

[QUOTE="93soccer"][QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]A 4000 $ console with upgrades every 15 days? No thanks. And I've played Crysis at a friend and it didn't even look that good. UC2 is graphics king.Go1D

Gears of War PC beats UC2 plus a lot of other PC games.

Also a PC does not need a lot of maintence work.

I have upgraded my gaming PC in 3 years and probably won't for another year or more.

If I didn't want to play games at near max settings I could use a computer from 5 years or more ago.

[QUOTE="Mystic-G"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] And here's the other half of the PC gamer's favorite tactic I was talking about... when it turns out that they do know the basic PC fact that you think they don't know, awkwardly avoid the subject. Stuff like this is why I'm ashamed to admit I was ever a PC gamer. Anyway, back on topic, a good example of what I'm talking about is the XMB. It's designed to be operated solely using the dpd, mapping categories to a single axis and selections to the other axis. Such a UI would be limiting for a Windows application, but it's perfect for a console. Hell, if you want another example, look at XMB vs. Wii's UI - the input device dictates the UI, as the Wii's pointer calls for an entirely different design, a series of large point-and-click targets.lowe0

Then you get yourself a wireless keyboard and mouse? My brother uses his from his sofa, which he uses to navigate Windows. Then he simply puts it down, and picks up his 360 pad when he wants to play games. I really can't see what's so technical about this. :?

People keep making ignorant comments on the price of a gaming PC so let me crush that criticism.

Here is a PC for close to 500 USD that can play Crysis on near max settings at 1680x1050 res.

If you are a college student you can get this set up for 70 USD cheaper since you can grab windows 7 for 30 bucks.

It can play just about every game at max settings with 1680x1050 res.

Plus it can do much more than a console.

Just about every one of you has a computer of their own so you should add in the cost of that computer and your console and then try comparing that to a gaming PC.

RyviusRan

[QUOTE="RyviusRan"]

People keep making ignorant comments on the price of a gaming PC so let me crush that criticism.

Here is a PC for close to 500 USD that can play Crysis on near max settings at 1680x1050 res.

If you are a college student you can get this set up for 70 USD cheaper since you can grab windows 7 for 30 bucks.

It can play just about every game at max settings with 1680x1050 res.

Plus it can do much more than a console.

Just about every one of you has a computer of their own so you should add in the cost of that computer and your console and then try comparing that to a gaming PC.

stiggy321

[QUOTE="RyviusRan"]

People keep making ignorant comments on the price of a gaming PC so let me crush that criticism.

Here is a PC for close to 500 USD that can play Crysis on near max settings at 1680x1050 res.

If you are a college student you can get this set up for 70 USD cheaper since you can grab windows 7 for 30 bucks.

It can play just about every game at max settings with 1680x1050 res.

Plus it can do much more than a console.

Just about every one of you has a computer of their own so you should add in the cost of that computer and your console and then try comparing that to a gaming PC.

stiggy321

Processors don't make that much of an impact compared to the graphics card. That CPU is easily enough to max games, seeing as my terrible Q8200 2.3ghz maxes out every multiplat, and plays Crysis at a steady 25-30 fps in Crysis maxed (no AA). He might not be maxing Crysis, but with a custom config at higher then 720p resolutions, it'll look tons better then any console game. Plus he'll easily max multiplats, and play pretty much every PC exclusive at close to max settings at 1080p.

The Athlon X2 240 running Crysis.

The Athlon x2 240 running Metro 2033.

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Mystic-G"] Ok.. and? What's the point of you saying all this besides clearly acting superior. It makes little difference, PCs can still be used on TV with a little know-how. But I guess that's clearly too much if you don't care to do it. That said, many PC games support gamepads.

Dataleak

Then you get yourself a wireless keyboard and mouse? My brother uses his from his sofa, which he uses to navigate Windows. Then he simply puts it down, and picks up his 360 pad when he wants to play games. I really can't see what's so technical about this. :?

[QUOTE="Dataleak"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] My point was that the Windows interface is heavily reliant on a pointing device, that the flexibility of a general-purpose UI necessitates trading off potential usability (a compromise that purpose-built devices aren't affected by), and that PC gamers tend to assume that just because their hardware is capable of something, that it must do so as well as a purpose-built device. But I'm accused of smug superiority by the guy who assumed that I didn't know HDMI and DVI were compatible? That's some ballsy hypocrisy. lowe0

Then you get yourself a wireless keyboard and mouse? My brother uses his from his sofa, which he uses to navigate Windows. Then he simply puts it down, and picks up his 360 pad when he wants to play games. I really can't see what's so technical about this. :?

Oh right, because you use your PC without a mouse and keyboard. Honestly, you're making it sound like an inconvenience. :roll:

[QUOTE="RyviusRan"]

People keep making ignorant comments on the price of a gaming PC so let me crush that criticism.

Here is a PC for close to 500 USD that can play Crysis on near max settings at 1680x1050 res.

If you are a college student you can get this set up for 70 USD cheaper since you can grab windows 7 for 30 bucks.

It can play just about every game at max settings with 1680x1050 res.

Plus it can do much more than a console.

Just about every one of you has a computer of their own so you should add in the cost of that computer and your console and then try comparing that to a gaming PC.

stiggy321

You don't know anything. No tax and shipping is like 30 USD and it is still many times more powerful than a console.

And that is enough RAM. I have a computer similar and I can nearly max out Crysis.

I have about the same processor too.

I get around 23 FPS on max in Crysis which is plenty smooth in a game like that but I use a modded config that looks like max settings but gives around 30 fps.

You need to go learn more about computers because you clearly don't have a clue.

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Dataleak"]

Then you get yourself a wireless keyboard and mouse? My brother uses his from his sofa, which he uses to navigate Windows. Then he simply puts it down, and picks up his 360 pad when he wants to play games. I really can't see what's so technical about this. :?

Dataleak

Oh right, because you use your PC without a mouse and keyboard. Honestly, you're making it sound like an inconvenience. :roll:

[QUOTE="Dataleak"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] LOL: the solution to a software design problem? More hardware. How does a wireless mouse change the fact that a simpler interface dumps a lot of dead weight that's not really needed for playing media and games? lowe0

Oh right, because you use your PC without a mouse and keyboard. Honestly, you're making it sound like an inconvenience. :roll:

I am laying in bed surfing the web and playing halo just fine while using a laptop and mouse.

[QUOTE="Dataleak"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] LOL: the solution to a software design problem? More hardware. How does a wireless mouse change the fact that a simpler interface dumps a lot of dead weight that's not really needed for playing media and games? lowe0

Oh right, because you use your PC without a mouse and keyboard. Honestly, you're making it sound like an inconvenience. :roll:

Well that seems to be preference. My brothers fine with browsing the web from his couch, instead of "hunched infront of a desk, staring at a tiny monitor". Contradiction much? :P

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Dataleak"]

Oh right, because you use your PC without a mouse and keyboard. Honestly, you're making it sound like an inconvenience. :roll:

Dataleak

Well that seems to be preference. My brothers fine with browser the web from his couch, instead of "hunched infront of a desk, staring at a tiny monitor". Contradiction much? :P

[QUOTE="Dataleak"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] YES! That's exactly what I'm saying! Using a mouse from a couch is "inconvenient" when a more suitable UI exists. Which is why I don't have my PC hooked up to my TV, because it requires a keyboard and mouse.lowe0

Well that seems to be preference. My brothers fine with browser the web from his couch, instead of "hunched infront of a desk, staring at a tiny monitor". Contradiction much? :P

Damnit.. Ok, you never said it personally, but it's a common complaint about PC gaming.

[QUOTE="RyviusRan"]

People keep making ignorant comments on the price of a gaming PC so let me crush that criticism.

Here is a PC for close to 500 USD that can play Crysis on near max settings at 1680x1050 res.

If you are a college student you can get this set up for 70 USD cheaper since you can grab windows 7 for 30 bucks.

It can play just about every game at max settings with 1680x1050 res.

Plus it can do much more than a console.

Just about every one of you has a computer of their own so you should add in the cost of that computer and your console and then try comparing that to a gaming PC.

stiggy321

[QUOTE="stiggy321"]

[QUOTE="RyviusRan"]

People keep making ignorant comments on the price of a gaming PC so let me crush that criticism.

Here is a PC for close to 500 USD that can play Crysis on near max settings at 1680x1050 res.

If you are a college student you can get this set up for 70 USD cheaper since you can grab windows 7 for 30 bucks.

It can play just about every game at max settings with 1680x1050 res.

Plus it can do much more than a console.

Just about every one of you has a computer of their own so you should add in the cost of that computer and your console and then try comparing that to a gaming PC.

Advid-Gamer

[QUOTE="Advid-Gamer"]

[QUOTE="stiggy321"] Add shipping and tax and it will cost 600 dollars. Then you take it home, and put everything together yourself. Not every college student can get windows for 30 dollars, and not every college even takes part in that offer. That is a terrible processor, and not enough RAM to run anything when using 64 bit 7. And well, yes. A 256mb 8800gt with a 4 year old AMD processor can "max crysis." It maxes it... at 10 fps. Please stop this. It is ridiculous to argue about PC's that can "max crysis" being less than 500 dollars, let alone 300. It is not possible. I beg of you all... stop.

GeneralShowzer

Yup. 30fps + motionblur is almost silky smooth... for Crysis. :lol:

[QUOTE="Advid-Gamer"]

[QUOTE="stiggy321"] Add shipping and tax and it will cost 600 dollars. Then you take it home, and put everything together yourself. Not every college student can get windows for 30 dollars, and not every college even takes part in that offer. That is a terrible processor, and not enough RAM to run anything when using 64 bit 7. And well, yes. A 256mb 8800gt with a 4 year old AMD processor can "max crysis." It maxes it... at 10 fps. Please stop this. It is ridiculous to argue about PC's that can "max crysis" being less than 500 dollars, let alone 300. It is not possible. I beg of you all... stop.

GeneralShowzer

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]

[QUOTE="Advid-Gamer"] +++++++1 MY pc bfggtx285ocx, e8400 dual core, gigs of ram, my pc is better then the one you just listed, I got my graphics v=card last year and it is still $400, I cannot maxx crysis, I can run it on high but not at 60 fps.

Dataleak

Yup. 30fps + motionblur is almost silky smooth... for Crysis. :lol:

[QUOTE="Dataleak"]

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"] 60 fps? You are expecting a bit too much. Crysis is a 30 fps game.

GeneralShowzer

Yup. 30fps + motionblur is almost silky smooth... for Crysis. :lol:

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"][QUOTE="Dataleak"]

Yup. 30fps + motionblur is almost silky smooth... for Crysis. :lol:

Advid-Gamer

[QUOTE="stiggy321"]

[QUOTE="RyviusRan"]

People keep making ignorant comments on the price of a gaming PC so let me crush that criticism.

Here is a PC for close to 500 USD that can play Crysis on near max settings at 1680x1050 res.

If you are a college student you can get this set up for 70 USD cheaper since you can grab windows 7 for 30 bucks.

It can play just about every game at max settings with 1680x1050 res.

Plus it can do much more than a console.

Just about every one of you has a computer of their own so you should add in the cost of that computer and your console and then try comparing that to a gaming PC.

Advid-Gamer

I never said I run it at 60 FPS I even tell you what I run it at and it runs smoothly.

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]

[QUOTE="Advid-Gamer"] +++++++1 MY pc bfggtx285ocx, e8400 dual core, gigs of ram, my pc is better then the one you just listed, I got my graphics v=card last year and it is still $400, I cannot maxx crysis, I can run it on high but not at 60 fps.

Advid-Gamer

You debunked nothing since my PC can run crysis on near max setting at 1680x1050 res and it can run it smoothly.

20-25 fps is still smooth and with the config mod it looks even better than max at times and runs at 25-30 fps.

Crysis is one of those games that doesn't need a high frame rate to be smooth.

Just search for 8800gt crysis vidz and you will see it can run at near max settings just fine.

[QUOTE="Advid-Gamer"][QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"] 60 fps? You are expecting a bit too much. Crysis is a 30 fps game.

RyviusRan

You debunked nothing since my PC can run crysis on near max setting at 1680x1050 res and it can run it smoothly.

20-25 fps is still smooth and with the config mod it looks even better than max at times and runs at 25-30 fps.

Crysis is one of those games that doesn't need a high frame rate to be smooth.

Just search for 8800gt crysis vidz and you will see it can run at near max settings just fine.

ok, thats fine, I run my pc at 1920/1080 so I dont know about 1650/1050 from experience I guess it would up the Framerate alittle, but if that low of a framerate is ok with pc gamers, why give the consoles so much crap for there 30fps in most games? Whats near max settings? Im not really buying itAdvid-Gamer

[QUOTE="Advid-Gamer"]ok, thats fine, I run my pc at 1920/1080 so I dont know about 1650/1050 from experience I guess it would up the Framerate alittle, but if that low of a framerate is ok with pc gamers, why give the consoles so much crap for there 30fps in most games? Whats near max settings? Im not really buying it-Feath-