Reason number six zillion why PC gaming rules

[QUOTE="Dataleak"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"] Not true for all the games and computers out there.alexside1

Any PC which is designed to play current gen games will install a game in 5 minutes or less. I remember playing MGS4, and I had to wait like 5-10 minutes for it to install, whilst showing my friend some of my favorite scenes. :|

Hell, ANY PC made in the last 3 years, which is equipped with a decent dual core CPU will install a 5gig game in 5 minutes max. :|

[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="Dataleak"]

Any PC which is designed to play current gen games will install a game in 5 minutes or less. I remember playing MGS4, and I had to wait like 5-10 minutes for it to install, whilst showing my friend some of my favorite scenes. :|

Dataleak

Hell, ANY PC made in the last 3 years, which is equipped with a decent dual core CPU will install a 5gig game in 5 minutes max. :|

It depends on the file system when installing.

Some games will take longer than other depending on this.

A lot of my games take around 5 minutes to install but some take longer.

Once I am done installing I don't have to worry about the disc so it can be fast.

Plus I already mentioned the consoles have longer loading times in game play so that should easily take longer overall when comparing it to the install time of PC games.

I prefer PC gaming because of the exclusives and customisation. I don't like getting stuck with 30fps in multiplayer games :lol:

Your forgot that PC gamers have to put up with drm.alexside1

[QUOTE="SF_KiLLaMaN"][QUOTE="Mark3611"]...because PCs never have any components fail.blackace

[QUOTE="blackace"][QUOTE="SF_KiLLaMaN"] My EVGA graphics card has a lifetime warranty. I'm pretty sure that beats out your console warranty.imprezawrx500

Yah most of my hardware has a lifetime warranty.

My friend sent in his 8800gtx for a replacement and they sent him back a gtx275.

Basically you can get upgraded for free.

I sent in my PSU and they replaced it with a much better PSU.

The company I usually buy my PSUs and GPUs from is BFG tech.

[QUOTE="Dataleak"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"] How many PC systems out there that are design for gaming that has been used in the market?Advid-Gamer

Hell, ANY PC made in the last 3 years, which is equipped with a decent dual core CPU will install a 5gig game in 5 minutes max. :|

Try run a virus / spyware scan regularly, and defrag your hard drive. :roll:

[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"][QUOTE="blackace"] Not if your CPU or RAM fail it doesn't. With a game console, the whole thing is under warranty, not just one or two parts. I've had 2 nVidia cards fail on me and 1GB RAM card. Plus I had several viruses kill my Windows XP O/S where I had to reinstall XP twice. PC's can be a real headache. If you don't know what you're doing (luckily I do) even more of a pain. RyviusRan

Yah most of my hardware has a lifetime warranty.

My friend sent in his 8800gtx for a replacement and they sent him back a gtx275.

Basically you can get upgraded for free.

I sent in my PSU and they replaced it with a much better PSU.

The company I usually buy my PSUs and GPUs from is BFG tech.

My friend sent in his GTX280, which was suffering the PSOD, and received a GTX285. :o

[QUOTE="Advid-Gamer"][QUOTE="Dataleak"]

Hell, ANY PC made in the last 3 years, which is equipped with a decent dual core CPU will install a 5gig game in 5 minutes max. :|

Dataleak

Try run a virus / spyware scan regularly, and defrag your hard drive. :roll:

Wow :evil: like I dont have antivirus or defrag my harddrive, I have a harddrive just for my games, dont play me like that , my pc is in tip top working condition. I am a pc gamer, just because Icant stand the attitude of most other pc gamers dosent make me any less of one. I can build my own pc from the ground up...pftt spyware:roll:

Unfortunately I've got more pressing reasons PC Gaming no longer rules. The biggest one? BUGS

See what happens when I try to play Need for Speed: Shift on my PC: (recorded using a Canon Digital Camera)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFCekBJXsjM

Mind explaining that?



On the other hand, I have no such issues with PS3 version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYm_K5hd5-M

What? Something is wrong with my pc then because it def takes more then 5 min. It is not so long that it is anything to complain about but 5 min. ...NoAdvid-Gamer

Unfortunately I've got more pressing reasons PC Gaming no longer rules. The biggest one? BUGS

See what happens when I try to play Need for Speed: Shift on my PC: (recorded using a Canon Digital Camera)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFCekBJXsjM

Mind explaining that?



On the other hand, I have no such issues with PS3 version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYm_K5hd5-M

Sailor_Enlil

Unfortunately I've got more pressing reasons PC Gaming no longer rules. The biggest one? BUGS

See what happens when I try to play Need for Speed: Shift on my PC: (recorded using a Canon Digital Camera)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFCekBJXsjM

Mind explaining that?



On the other hand, I have no such issues with PS3 version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYm_K5hd5-M

Sailor_Enlil

[QUOTE="Sailor_Enlil"]

Unfortunately I've got more pressing reasons PC Gaming no longer rules. The biggest one? BUGS

See what happens when I try to play Need for Speed: Shift on my PC: (recorded using a Canon Digital Camera)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFCekBJXsjM

Mind explaining that?



On the other hand, I have no such issues with PS3 version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYm_K5hd5-M

lawlessx

[QUOTE="Sailor_Enlil"]

Unfortunately I've got more pressing reasons PC Gaming no longer rules. The biggest one? BUGS

See what happens when I try to play Need for Speed: Shift on my PC: (recorded using a Canon Digital Camera)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFCekBJXsjM

Mind explaining that?



On the other hand, I have no such issues with PS3 version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYm_K5hd5-M

ritz2

[QUOTE="ritz2"]

[QUOTE="Sailor_Enlil"]

Unfortunately I've got more pressing reasons PC Gaming no longer rules. The biggest one? BUGS

See what happens when I try to play Need for Speed: Shift on my PC: (recorded using a Canon Digital Camera)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFCekBJXsjM

Mind explaining that?



On the other hand, I have no such issues with PS3 version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYm_K5hd5-M

Sailor_Enlil

Sadly it's not the first time. I've had a number of games on the PC do that. Definitely never happened on any of the consoles.Sailor_Enlil

Pretty positive I have 0 bugs with the game expecially after patching up. Add to that, shift has some very nice mods that is not found or will be found on consoles (just nature of the platforms). Infact I made a video weeks back of me playing the game on my pc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeWw99ulKeg

Unfortunately I've got more pressing reasons PC Gaming no longer rules. The biggest one? BUGS

See what happens when I try to play Need for Speed: Shift on my PC: (recorded using a Canon Digital Camera)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFCekBJXsjM

Mind explaining that?



On the other hand, I have no such issues with PS3 version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYm_K5hd5-M

Sailor_Enlil

Demo, maybe buy the game?

Anyway, here's a forum that says turn off shadows...

http://www.virtualr.net/need-for-speed-shift-pc-demo-released/

[QUOTE="Sailor_Enlil"]

[QUOTE="ritz2"] ... Need for speed: Shift needs Windows XP service pack 3, Windows Vista, or Windows 7. You have Windows XP professional, which is Windows XP service pack 2 by default. I'm quite sure you can get service pack 3 legally from Microsoft's website. Don't try to put us down if you ignore the system requirements.

ritz2

Pretty positive I have 0 bugs with the game expecially after patching up. Add to that, shift has some very nice mods that is not found or will be found on consoles (just nature of the platforms). Infact I made a video weeks back of me playing the game on my pc.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeWw99ulKeg
jedikevin2

[QUOTE="jedikevin2"]
Pretty positive I have 0 bugs with the game expecially after patching up. Add to that, shift has some very nice mods that is not found or will be found on consoles (just nature of the platforms). Infact I made a video weeks back of me playing the game on my pc.

Sailor_Enlil

It could be worst, your car could have brake problemes and there would be a recal only a couples months later...

LOL sailor. Personally I had no problems even before patching. Patching just optimized the game more for me (load times cut down significantly).

Onto your statement on patches:

Your argument doesn't hold weight sailor as even console games can get patched after release to fix small quirks, add some hidden content, bugs etc etc. As you have a ps3, games such as little big planet, killzone 2, and even god of war 3 have all had patches released.

[QUOTE="Sailor_Enlil"]Sadly it's not the first time. I've had a number of games on the PC do that. Definitely never happened on any of the consoles.Mystic-G

How about the case of Half-Life 2's "Memory Cannot Be Read" Error? It plagued alot of people (myself included) when the game was first released (there was a very long thread on the Steam forums about it), and it was eventually resolved by a Steam Update several months later.

Sailor_Enlil

So you are saying sailor that because your PC system had problems (bugs) that now you feel that "PC games no longer rule". I am still confused on this. So you don't like the idea of patching of games to fix bugs and issues but you enjoy ps3 games more because you feel they don't need patching as well?

Sorry to disagree as I have seen first hand ps3 games crash because of bugs then get fixed weeks later on a official patch. Happened in killzone 2 alot. Either the game would crash out or a very bad network crash bug. Little big planet had a horrible bug where the my ps3 wirless controller would completely stop responding outside of home button.

LOL sailor. Personally I had no problems even before patching. Patching just optimized the game more for me (load times cut down significantly).

Onto your arguement.

Your argument doesn't hold weight sailor as even console games can get patched after release to fix small quirks, add some hidden content etc etc. As you have a ps3 games such as little big planet, killzone 2, and even god of war 3 have all had patches released.

jedikevin2

[QUOTE="Sailor_Enlil"]

How about the case of Half-Life 2's "Memory Cannot Be Read" Error? It plagued alot of people (myself included) when the game was first released (there was a very long thread on the Steam forums about it), and it was eventually resolved by a Steam Update several months later.

jedikevin2

So you are saying sailor that because your PC system had problems that now you feel that "PC games no longer rule". I am still confused on this. So you don't like the idea of patching of games to fix bugs and issues but you enjoy ps3 games more because you feel they don't need patching as well?

You plainly ignored the obvious. It was a problem with the GAME, not the PC. The problem was resolved by a Steam Update from Valve (no action on my part whatsoever).

Sailor_Enlil

Your arguement is to subjective. To answer this statement. I am not ignoring anything. Bugs and issues are a result of game AND system. What might affect you on your system, might not affect me. This is expecially so with the use of different hardware parts.

I understand you had problems Pc gaming through bugs but, you are assuming that because you did not have any problems on the few games on your ps3 that the ps3 games are bug free. You are wrong in that assessment. Patching exist on both systems to rectify those problems. We all want a game to come out the box and work perfectly but it sometimes doesn't happen that way. Patching, system updates (drive updates for pc), etc are where these problems are fixed.

[QUOTE="Sailor_Enlil"]

Unfortunately I've got more pressing reasons PC Gaming no longer rules. The biggest one? BUGS

See what happens when I try to play Need for Speed: Shift on my PC: (recorded using a Canon Digital Camera)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFCekBJXsjM

Mind explaining that?



On the other hand, I have no such issues with PS3 version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYm_K5hd5-M

Bebi_vegeta

Demo, maybe buy the game?

Anyway, here's a forum that says turn off shadows...

http://www.virtualr.net/need-for-speed-shift-pc-demo-released/

That's the thing - I don't want to have to install any patch JUST TO MAKE THE GAME RUN AT ALL!

Imagine buying a new car, and it won't even start because turns out the ECU needs a "patch".

Sailor_Enlil

Console games update all the time, so its not just a PC problem.

@sailor

I also have a logitech g25. Works like a champ. Even better once you get a even deeper calibration mod from the racedepartment website. Infact, the whole game experience gets bumped up nicely with all the mods for need for speed on pc. (sharp mod, ai competition mod, real gt mod, cockpit camera mod etc etc etc)

@sailor

I also have a logitech g25. Works like a champ. Even better once you get a even deeper calibration mod from the racedepartment website. Infact, the whole game experience gets bumped up nicely with all the mods for need for speed on pc. (sharp mod, ai competition mod, real gt mod, cockpit camera mod etc etc etc)

jedikevin2

[QUOTE="Sailor_Enlil"]
That's the thing - I don't want to have to install any patch JUST TO MAKE THE GAME RUN AT ALL!

Imagine buying a new car, and it won't even start because turns out the ECU needs a "patch".

Vesica_Prime

Console games update all the time, so its not just a PC problem.

[QUOTE="jedikevin2"]

LOL sailor. Personally I had no problems even before patching. Patching just optimized the game more for me (load times cut down significantly).

Onto your arguement.

Your argument doesn't hold weight sailor as even console games can get patched after release to fix small quirks, add some hidden content etc etc. As you have a ps3 games such as little big planet, killzone 2, and even god of war 3 have all had patches released.

Sailor_Enlil

I didn't get the "Memory cannot be read" error on HL2 either, and I bought it at launch. Never had any problems with the game. I've had application errors before, but it's not like I need to restart the system or anything, just restart the game and I'm playing again in a minute or 2.

My PS3 froze a couple times. It froze once on Demon's Souls and another time on Uncharted. Had to reboot the thing. So no, consoles are not without their problems.

@sailor

I also have a logitech g25. Works like a champ. Even better once you get a even deeper calibration mod from the racedepartment website. Infact, the whole game experience gets bumped up nicely with all the mods for need for speed on pc. (sharp mod, ai competition mod, real gt mod, cockpit camera mod etc etc etc)

jedikevin2

I have both and I agree with what you said. But, owning only PC is not the absolute best choice for all because there are many quality titles that are consoles exclusive. Also, owning a PC is not the end of the line because drivers are still an issue with some games (like the Witcher with ATI drivers) and there is still a possibility for a driver update to screw one of your parts.Not to forget to mention the annoying DRM which is increasingly taking over games..

In the end neither is the perfect choice for everyone, consoles are much easier to setup and play with compared to PC which has to be tweaked according to ones preferences yet it gives you an endless variety of options with maximum horse power.

And how many of those mods worked without glitches? Lately I've been very weary of game mods due to potentially damaging bugs (the last one happened with Quake 4, which got screwed up so badly by such amod I had to completely reinstall the game; nowadays I play Q4 without any mods whatsoever).

Sailor_Enlil

Tamper with files without knowing what you are doing in any instance and you can cause glitches, if you don't go about recklessly replacing files you are fine. Backing up is a basic, smart, general step.

And naturally, if you mess things up reinstalling the game is not that hard or something terribly bothersome, especially in this day and age where installing and uninstalling games on consoles is the norm.

After messing about, applying mods for well over a decade and making modifications the shortcomings user made content has are all but negligible next to the amazing scope of content produced and how games are expanded.

Options are never a bad thing (be it total conversions or something as mere as a resolution mod), and UGC is still something that is yet to properly emerge in console gaming (even with baby steps like Little Big Planet) decades after the PC, which will quite frankly (understandably) never mature like its monolithic development system brother.

To fix a Fatal or Catastrophic Error? (as inthe game won't start up, or worse, cause the whole platform to crash)Never happened in any of my console games (from the Dreamcast to the XBox to the PS3). And Console updates happen very infrequentlyat least in my experience(last update I had was forTekken 6, 2 months ago, just after I bought the game, and before that, Soul Caliber 4, 6 months earlier). Neither was a case of fixing a very serious bug that would cause the game to become unplayable.

Sailor_Enlil

Yes I had with Heavy Rain for quite some time, and have had other games like Demon's Souls lock up and Uncharted 2.

While naturally the PC is open to so many more issues, having such diverse hardware and being an open platform (STALKER Clear Sky was unplayable for a week for me), however the difference is I can have a go at fixing issues myself, or seek help from a community, instead of waiting for a developer to pickup the pieces.

Be it DOS games or new releases.

I have both and I agree with what you said. But, owning only PC is not the absolute best choice for all because there are many quality titles that are consoles exclusive. Also, owning a PC is not the end of the line because drivers are still an issue with some games (like the Witcher with ATI drivers) and there is still a possibility for a driver update to screw one of your parts.Not to forget to mention the annoying DRM which is increasingly taking over games..

In the end neither is the perfect choice for everyone, consoles are much easier to setup and play with compared to PC which has to be tweaked according to ones preferences yet it gives you an endless variety of options with maximum horse power.

abuabed

[QUOTE="abuabed"]

I have both and I agree with what you said. But, owning only PC is not the absolute best choice for all because there are many quality titles that are consoles exclusive. Also, owning a PC is not the end of the line because drivers are still an issue with some games (like the Witcher with ATI drivers) and there is still a possibility for a driver update to screw one of your parts.Not to forget to mention the annoying DRM which is increasingly taking over games..

In the end neither is the perfect choice for everyone, consoles are much easier to setup and play with compared to PC which has to be tweaked according to ones preferences yet it gives you an endless variety of options with maximum horse power.

DragonfireXZ95

To be honest, i was using 197.45 whql and my pc randomly froze when playing games, before thati was using the previous ones, 196.25 and fallout 3 had terrible pefomance and blue screens with nv4dsp.dll so i switched to 182 to play games properly with no problems at all.

Seriously what the hell? Nvidia forgot how to make drivers?

[QUOTE="RyviusRan"]

Yah most of my hardware has a lifetime warranty.

My friend sent in his 8800gtx for a replacement and they sent him back a gtx275.

Basically you can get upgraded for free.

I sent in my PSU and they replaced it with a much better PSU.

The company I usually buy my PSUs and GPUs from is BFG tech.

Dataleak

My friend sent in his GTX280, which was suffering the PSOD, and received a GTX285. :o

I sent an old 7950GT that finally burnt out back to EVGA about 6 months ago, and they sent me back a 9800GTX - They even paid return shipping! :D

It'd be like sending a dead PS2 you've used for 5 years back to Sony, and them sending you a new PS3 for free.

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]

[QUOTE="abuabed"]

I have both and I agree with what you said. But, owning only PC is not the absolute best choice for all because there are many quality titles that are consoles exclusive. Also, owning a PC is not the end of the line because drivers are still an issue with some games (like the Witcher with ATI drivers) and there is still a possibility for a driver update to screw one of your parts.Not to forget to mention the annoying DRM which is increasingly taking over games..

In the end neither is the perfect choice for everyone, consoles are much easier to setup and play with compared to PC which has to be tweaked according to ones preferences yet it gives you an endless variety of options with maximum horse power.

dakan45

To be honest, i was using 197.45 whql and my pc randomly froze when playing games, before thati was using the previous ones, 196.25 and fallout 3 had terrible pefomance and blue screens with nv4dsp.dll so i switched to 182 to play games properly with no problems at all.

Seriously what the hell? Nvidia forgot how to make drivers?

No idea, but mine have worked perfectly. I haven't had bad drivers in forever actually. I can't even remember the last time I had problems.

What company is your card perchance? I ALWAYS go with EVGA, and I never have any problems.

[QUOTE="Dataleak"]

[QUOTE="RyviusRan"]

Yah most of my hardware has a lifetime warranty.

My friend sent in his 8800gtx for a replacement and they sent him back a gtx275.

Basically you can get upgraded for free.

I sent in my PSU and they replaced it with a much better PSU.

The company I usually buy my PSUs and GPUs from is BFG tech.

Domobomb

My friend sent in his GTX280, which was suffering the PSOD, and received a GTX285. :o

I sent an old 7950GT that finally burnt out back to EVGA about 6 months ago, and they sent me back a 9800GTX - They even paid return shipping! :D

It'd be like sending a dead PS2 you've used for 5 years back to Sony, and them sending you a new PS3 for free.

yeah pc are awesome because of invasive DRM and 6 month late port ,and by the way where is nhl 2010 pc i use to buy this game for my pc .legol1

Trying to find sports games on the PC is like trying to find a flight sim on consoles.

[QUOTE="legol1"]yeah pc are awesome because of invasive DRM and 6 month late port ,and by the way where is nhl 2010 pc i use to buy this game for my pc .jun_aka_pekto

Trying to find sports games on the PC is like trying to find a flight sim on consoles.

And btw, the PC is being forgotten by many multiplat devs...

chaplainDMK

That is why PC have more and better exclusives:roll:

Exclusives http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AriQpIFbPoEacGM1b0xxcGVucFQ3OFc4N3BNZmd2QkE&gid=0
PC AAAe = 12, AAe = 77
PS3 AAAe = 8, AAe = 12
360 AAAe = 7, AAe = 13

AAAe + AAe
PC = 89
PS3 = 20
360 = 20