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well content means little if gameplay is a bore. i mean, what does it matter if a game has weeks of content if it's unbearable to play through them?[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="Merex760"]Elder Scrolls games are all about overwhelming you with content and the lively world. They've never been about cutting edge gameplay. Goyoshi12
Unbearable? Skyrim's combat isn't the greatest but you can't even bear to just repeatedly hit the attack button? Kind of weak...
i'm not talking about skyrim specifically, i'm just pointing out how stupid the "amount of content > gameplay" idea is.[QUOTE="cyborg100000"]Bioshock's, Deus Ex's (bar HR's horrible melee) and System Shocks are far better. DX 1's combat is not much better than Morrowind's. The only saving grace is that you can get 1-hit kills. The second you get into a firefight, it's garbage.The combat really looks nothing special, hell it looks a little rigid. The 3rd person view, cartoon look and title-and-health-bar-over-enemy's-head gives it even less of an impact.
Also if Skyrim's combat is considered terrible, how did you people get through Bioshock, Deus Ex, Morrowind, System Shock, ME2 and other such games? Am I the only one who liked the combat?
skrat_01
[QUOTE="Goyoshi12"][QUOTE="BrunoBRS"] well content means little if gameplay is a bore. i mean, what does it matter if a game has weeks of content if it's unbearable to play through them?BrunoBRS
Unbearable? Skyrim's combat isn't the greatest but you can't even bear to just repeatedly hit the attack button? Kind of weak...
i'm not talking about skyrim specifically, i'm just pointing out how stupid the "amount of content > gameplay" idea is.Oh...well...carry on then. Forget what I said. :P
[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="cyborg100000"]Bioshock's, Deus Ex's (bar HR's horrible melee) and System Shocks are far better. DX 1's combat is not much better than Morrowind's. The only saving grace is that you can get 1-hit kills. The second you get into a firefight, it's garbage. Not if you're focused into combat skills. There's actual feedback, and the a.i. skates about - it's not wailing number rolls central. Vampire Bloodlines was even worse then Deus Ex in this regard.The combat really looks nothing special, hell it looks a little rigid. The 3rd person view, cartoon look and title-and-health-bar-over-enemy's-head gives it even less of an impact.
Also if Skyrim's combat is considered terrible, how did you people get through Bioshock, Deus Ex, Morrowind, System Shock, ME2 and other such games? Am I the only one who liked the combat?
Cherokee_Jack
If you're playing it at all you're doing it wrongif your playing skyrim for combat your doing it wrong
savagetwinkie
seriously, maybe because i only played it last year, but deus ex seemed more like proof of concept than an actual game. most of the gameplay was pretty bad.BrunoBRS
Yeah, I sort of agree. I think it's pretty satisfying if you play it as a stealth game, much like HR. But you have to do some serious save-scumming to get around the idiosyncrasies of the AI and combat.
"More than the sum of its parts" is what I would say about the first game.
Just finished the demo, the game is one of the worst i have played in years
Sure SKyrim combat is nothing to write home about, but Amalur is overall horrid
And i though FF13 was the most terrible game ever, well, not anymore, now Amalur joined it
Oh IGN always stating the obvious.
I mean what game doesn't destroy Skyrim's Combat? Even PacMan had a better combat.
[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"] seriously, maybe because i only played it last year, but deus ex seemed more like proof of concept than an actual game. most of the gameplay was pretty bad.Cherokee_Jack
Yeah, I sort of agree. I think it's pretty satisfying if you play it as a stealth game, much like HR. But you have to do some serious save-scumming to get around the idiosyncrasies of the AI and combat.
"More than the sum of its parts" is what I would say about the first game.
when you try to go "combat stealth" (aka metal gear styIe, take down enemies so they don't spot you), even a crossbow from a dark spot they can't see you, from behind (i know because i shot from a vent above them) will get you caught. it's impossible to shoot on that game without making the AI flip out. and that god damn hive mind.IMO, I thought the combat was good, better than Skryim, but it is really simplistic and all that holds it up is really the fact that it's flashy is really the only grabbing grace the game has over Skyrim and even then there are many other gamplay elements that Skyrim exceeds superbly at while Kingdom's of Amalur fall quite flat, tbh.
Someone's jelly they didn't play Alamur. :)Just finished the demo, the game is one of the worst i have played in years
Sure SKyrim combat is nothing to write home about, but Amalur is overall horrid
And i though FF13 was the most terrible game ever, well, not anymore, now Amalur joined it
loosingENDS
Having just played the demo, I'd rank it slightly above Skyrim, far below Dark Souls, and any comparison to Dragon Age would be be subjective - so I'd just leave it out of the comparison all together.
[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"][QUOTE="BrunoBRS"] seriously, maybe because i only played it last year, but deus ex seemed more like proof of concept than an actual game. most of the gameplay was pretty bad.BrunoBRS
Yeah, I sort of agree. I think it's pretty satisfying if you play it as a stealth game, much like HR. But you have to do some serious save-scumming to get around the idiosyncrasies of the AI and combat.
"More than the sum of its parts" is what I would say about the first game.
when you try to go "combat stealth" (aka metal gear styIe, take down enemies so they don't spot you), even a crossbow from a dark spot they can't see you, from behind (i know because i shot from a vent above them) will get you caught. it's impossible to shoot on that game without making the AI flip out. and that god damn hive mind.I played it through on a non-lethal stealth run. When you start the game, you suck - and yes mechanically it's fairly bad. Darts are not one shot, only a hit to the head with a police baton, or prodding with the prod. Get better darts, actually put skill points into the dart gun and you can one shot a large amount of guys - with headshots. Or better yet, use empty darts (non tranq) to distract enemies, then whack them in the head while they're facing in the opposite direction, or investigating, in earlier levels. Emergent gameplay, little can be said for many other games, despite its jankiness.[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]when you try to go "combat stealth" (aka metal gear styIe, take down enemies so they don't spot you), even a crossbow from a dark spot they can't see you, from behind (i know because i shot from a vent above them) will get you caught. it's impossible to shoot on that game without making the AI flip out. and that god damn hive mind.I played it through on a non-lethal stealth run. When you start the game, you suck - and yes mechanically it's fairly bad. Darts are not one shot, only a hit to the head with a police baton, or prodding with the prod. Get better darts, actually put skill points into the dart gun and you can one shot a large amount of guys - with headshots. Or better yet, use empty darts (non tranq) to distract enemies, then whack them in the head while they're facing in the opposite direction, or investigating, in earlier levels. Emergent gameplay, little can be said for many other games, despite its jankiness. i tried a silenced pistol, 1 shot killed a guy, a dude from another room came in and started shooting at me. honestly the AI made me give up on the game more than the clunky controls/gunplay. it just plain annoyed me.Yeah, I sort of agree. I think it's pretty satisfying if you play it as a stealth game, much like HR. But you have to do some serious save-scumming to get around the idiosyncrasies of the AI and combat.
"More than the sum of its parts" is what I would say about the first game.
skrat_01
Having just played the demo, I'd rank it slightly above Skyrim, far below Dark Souls, and any comparison to Dragon Age would be be subjective - so I'd just leave it out of the comparison all together.
Kickinurass
Did we play the same demo ?
I would not rank this thing in games at all myself
The world feels like a giand pathway and is generic beyond belief, like they did not have a designer or any artists
Above Skyrim ? ??? ???
Better than Dark Souls's combat? We'll see when the game releases, Dark Souls has amazing combat.
mitu123
The game is one of the worst games in existance, i hope that was only meant as a joke
The combat was laughable and simplistic/boring/generic beyond belief
In short, i cant believe how bad this game turned out to be in every way
It is like they took the worst traits of Oblivion and MMOs and put it in a single unbelievably terrible game
[QUOTE="freedomfreak"]It's cool to hate on what's popular, yo. Skyrim is as generic as it gets and the combat in Skyrim is just awfull. There is no hate some people are just not blinded with fanboy goggles.So after complaining about Skyrim's combat since its release people are still pointing out the obvious,uh.
Stevo_the_gamer
[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]
Having just played the demo, I'd rank it slightly above Skyrim, far below Dark Souls, and any comparison to Dragon Age would be be subjective - so I'd just leave it out of the comparison all together.
loosingENDS
Did we play the same demo ?
I would not rank this thing in games at all myself
The world feels like a giand pathway and is generic beyond belief, like they did not have a designer or any artists
Above Skyrim ? ??? ???
though i agree with what you said about the game, i think he's talking about the combat.[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]
Having just played the demo, I'd rank it slightly above Skyrim, far below Dark Souls, and any comparison to Dragon Age would be be subjective - so I'd just leave it out of the comparison all together.
loosingENDS
Did we play the same demo ?
I would not rank this thing in games at all myself
The world feels like a giand pathway and is generic beyond belief, like they did not have a designer or any artists
Above Skyrim ? ??? ???
Was it not blurry enough and did it have to much FPS for you? :lol:[QUOTE="loosingENDS"][QUOTE="Kickinurass"]
Having just played the demo, I'd rank it slightly above Skyrim, far below Dark Souls, and any comparison to Dragon Age would be be subjective - so I'd just leave it out of the comparison all together.
BrunoBRS
Did we play the same demo ?
I would not rank this thing in games at all myself
The world feels like a giand pathway and is generic beyond belief, like they did not have a designer or any artists
Above Skyrim ? ??? ???
though i agree with what you said about the game, i think he's talking about the combat.The combat was laughable, 90% of the time spells did not even find the target for christ
A kid could program this system better imo
Also it is simplistic, there is nothing to it
Reminds me of the terrible Fable combat, exact same stuff, only with stats to make it "deeper"
As for the comparisson to Skyrim, well i dont like Skyrim combat much either, but Amalur take it to a whole new level of boring
Amalur cant even be in the same sentence as Dark SOuls imo
[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]
Having just played the demo, I'd rank it slightly above Skyrim, far below Dark Souls, and any comparison to Dragon Age would be be subjective - so I'd just leave it out of the comparison all together.
loosingENDS
Did we play the same demo ?
I would not rank this thing in games at all myself
The world feels like a giand pathway and is generic beyond belief, like they did not have a designer or any artists
Above Skyrim ? ??? ???
In regards to combat. I reserve comment on the full game until after I play the whole thing. Though, I also think the crafting system was better than Skyrim's, but like I said, I'll make my full judgment after KoA releases.
[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="freedomfreak"]It's cool to hate on what's popular, yo. Skyrim is as generic as it gets and the combat in Skyrim is just awfull. There is no hate some people are just not blinded with fanboy goggles. Most intelligent post you've ever made. Granted it doesn't say much but still.So after complaining about Skyrim's combat since its release people are still pointing out the obvious,uh.
USS_Data
[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]
[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]
Having just played the demo, I'd rank it slightly above Skyrim, far below Dark Souls, and any comparison to Dragon Age would be be subjective - so I'd just leave it out of the comparison all together.
Kickinurass
Did we play the same demo ?
I would not rank this thing in games at all myself
The world feels like a giand pathway and is generic beyond belief, like they did not have a designer or any artists
Above Skyrim ? ??? ???
In regards to combat. I reserve comment on the full game until after I play the whole thing. Though, I also think the crafting system was better than Skyrim's, but like I said, I'll make my full judgment after KoA releases.
Maybe it has some good systems there, but frankly the world and game overall feels so bad that even the deepest alchemy and blacksmithing systems would not mean much, when i dont really have any desire to make better weapons to play a game that looks like that and wirth such design
Chances are he heard the groan from the guy dying or the bullet impact - it depends on the proximity - noise isn't inhibited completely by walls usually - if you go about shooting on one side, it will be detected on the other. As Paul says stick the prod; if you want super silence, keep speccing into pistol and you'll be a god with that. The a.i.'s pretty great for most of the part considering it's over a decade old.i tried a silenced pistol, 1 shot killed a guy, a dude from another room came in and started shooting at me. honestly the AI made me give up on the game more than the clunky controls/gunplay. it just plain annoyed me.
BrunoBRS
[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"]Chances are he heard the groan from the guy dying or the bullet impact - it depends on the proximity - noise isn't inhibited completely by walls usually - if you go about shooting on one side, it will be detected on the other. As Paul says stick the prod; if you want super silence, keep speccing into pistol and you'll be a god with that. The a.i.'s pretty great for most of the part considering it's over a decade old. i would be fine if he saw the guy and went for an alarm. but instead he went straight to my hiding spot (the area that is that underground facility thing in NYC, there's this huge sinkhole with a bridge that spins in the middle). i shot the guy in the bridge, a guy that had no way of seeing me, on the other side of that massive room, came after me, and someone else opened the door to shoot at me, before any alarms were sounded. what i'm trying to say is, they could spot me even if i had used triggered explosives and was on the other side of town before detonating. and that f*cking hive mind drives me nuts.i tried a silenced pistol, 1 shot killed a guy, a dude from another room came in and started shooting at me. honestly the AI made me give up on the game more than the clunky controls/gunplay. it just plain annoyed me.
skrat_01
What action RPG doesn't have better combat than Skyrim?
whiskeystrike
I think the first Witcher and Oblivion had pretty poor combat systems. And Fable's combat is overly simplistic, which takes alot of joy out of the combat. I'd rank Skyrim overall all three.
[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="BrunoBRS"]Chances are he heard the groan from the guy dying or the bullet impact - it depends on the proximity - noise isn't inhibited completely by walls usually - if you go about shooting on one side, it will be detected on the other. As Paul says stick the prod; if you want super silence, keep speccing into pistol and you'll be a god with that. The a.i.'s pretty great for most of the part considering it's over a decade old. i would be fine if he saw the guy and went for an alarm. but instead he went straight to my hiding spot (the area that is that underground facility thing in NYC, there's this huge sinkhole with a bridge that spins in the middle). i shot the guy in the bridge, a guy that had no way of seeing me, on the other side of that massive room, came after me, and someone else opened the door to shoot at me, before any alarms were sounded. what i'm trying to say is, they could spot me even if i had used triggered explosives and was on the other side of town before detonating. and that f*cking hive mind drives me nuts. You mean the MJ12 base under Hell's Kitchen, I think. Well can't reimagine the example first hand, but the a.i. has it's fair share of problems, though it's not a game that rests on hive-mind logic. Not to say you're not going to have bugs, and I can't fully interpret your example, but the game isn't lets say - Far Cry 2 - in one actor being shot, and the rest immediately going to an alert phase. It's not the rule, really. And hooman I've played a ton of Deus Ex to know that.i tried a silenced pistol, 1 shot killed a guy, a dude from another room came in and started shooting at me. honestly the AI made me give up on the game more than the clunky controls/gunplay. it just plain annoyed me.
BrunoBRS
Is that IGN editor for real ?
The game is laughable and he says it has better combat than Dark Souls ?
I just played the demo and was one of the worst gaming experiences i ever had in my life
I take it the whole thing was meant as a joke, cant be any other way
It's been done before yes, but the game is still fun and I'm loving the magic tree and the weapons with magical powers. That game is sweet and plays smoothly. Only downside was the load times when going into buildings and leaving areas. The story wasn't bad either. I pre-ordered it after playing the demo. I will most likely get it.I played the demo. The game is so generic, that includes the combat.
GrannyGoat
[QUOTE="GrannyGoat"]It's been done before yes, but the game is still fun and I'm loving the magic tree and the weapons with magical powers. That game is sweet and plays smoothly. Only downside was the load times when going into buildings and leaving areas. The story wasn't bad either. I pre-ordered it after playing the demo. I will most likely get it.I played the demo. The game is so generic, that includes the combat.
XanderZane
The game was beyond terrible in every way really imo
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