you could see it coming from a mile off since the very first reveal.
maybe not quite 4/10 bad, but a messy and contradictory series of promotional material and a format and tone well outside their past experience and comfort zone.
reading bethesda forced them down this path is very sad for such a great studio, and i hope embarrassing enough to serve as a wake up call for publishers to step back and let their marquee studios play to their strengths. forcing square pegs in round holes results in this sort of shit. dishonored 3 and prey 2 will redeem them. imagine if they'd been working on one of those titles for the past several years instead of this. whole different ball game for them and gamepass
MS has always been anti-consumer and only about money. Remember back in the original Xbox days, these guys had DLC and pay to play online in 2002!
Stop being silly. There are more consumer friendly practices on Xbox now than its competitors. People praised the 360 era and it was the most anti-consumer period in Xbox history. I am still stunned that folks want to return to that time.
Really? You’re stunned people want to return to when Xbox actually made good games that people wanted to play?
He don't want back to X360 era because he must pay full price and play quality games. Instead he wants cheap ass crappy service tied games.
@Maroxad: I'm a big fan of Arkane's work, of course I was hyped. Of course it was clear something was off but being Arkane I was still ultimately hoping they could make something cool. Maybe not exactly for me but a Destiny like game with their creative twist could still be interesting. Was not expecting it to be this apparent disaster.
Honest I don't care about the Gamepass narrative from the hate crew as I've played countless great games there but... BIG BUTT... Microsoft, or Bethesda same shit, fucking Arkane like this is something that doesn't sits well with me and I won't be renewing my GP subscription until this game is ready to be released. Then I'll give it a chance.
Just 2 years ago Arkane made 10/10 game and now 4/10 game.
a same freaking developer. What the hell!!
What's bewildering is that this is the first game they made under Microsoft and is also the first game exclusive to Xbox, and they decided to go with this.
Xbox decided to pay 7.5 billion for Bethesda and got Turdfall
Playstation probably payed something closer to a million or a couple of million and got GOAT loop.
@loudheadphones: Arcane were developing Redfall before ms bought Bethesda, but don’t let facts get in the way of a good story.
I've mentioned few posts above : "you can bet things changed tremendously when MS stepped up. And first trailer was showed few months after Bethesda was acquired". Phil Spencer wants to be everything adopted to Gamepass. There you go
I kinda feel like Xbox has this generalized issue of, rather than iterating on games in-development using curated fan feedback, they just ship them out to die unfinished/unready.
Xbox is not in a position to be able to keep doing this.
I had this game on my GamePass pre-install. I log in to find out I still need to download 78 gbs of the game.. wtf? so what was the point of the pre-install? I just deleted it lol.
I had this game on my GamePass pre-install. I log in to find out I still need to download 78 gbs of the game.. wtf? so what was the point of the pre-install? I just deleted it lol.
Haha, that's just cruel. But we need to make priorities mate, still a 101 games to finish 😎
I had this game on my GamePass pre-install. I log in to find out I still need to download 78 gbs of the game.. wtf? so what was the point of the pre-install? I just deleted it lol.
Haha, that's just cruel. But we need to make priorities mate, still a 101 games to finish 😎
@ghostofgolden: Eh, I just can’t buy that. I just can’t see current subscribers sticking around and new ones joining if all they put out is poor quality titles, like some folks claim is all you’ll get because it’s going to Game Pass.
But...you guys DID stick around!
Sea of Thieves (released unfinished barren, no content, early access)
State of Decay 2 (released broken & buggy)
Crackdown 3 (dead after a week)
Grounded (released unfinished early access)
Bleeding Edge (killed less than a year)
Halo Infinite (released unfinished, barren, no content, on life support)
Redfall (Buggy, Broken, barren unfinished, early access)
@Pedro said:
The fun thing about Gamepass is that scores don't matter (not like it did for me within the past 10 years). If the game scores great the cost is still the same and is part of your sub. If the game is trash, the cost is still the same and is part of your sub.🤷🏽♂️
Remember THIS ^ was what you xboys were saying? 😂 well THAT ^ is the same thing MS said!!!
See the problem with you & your other xboy's theory is, YOU did the opposite of what your theory suggests.
YOU KEPT PAYING & SUBSCRIBING & "STICKING AROUND" WHEN MS DELIVERED NOTHING BUT TRASH GAMES!
MS has BEEN releasing unfinished, buggy, early access game since Gamepass FIRST started!
Quantum Break was Xbox's last fully complete competent 1st party release!
State of Decay 2, Sea of Thieves, Crackdwon 3 ect all launched as unfinished early access games. What'd you do? You REWARDED them with your subs! You PAID them UPFRONT $ for more of the same content! You DEFENDED them based on nothing theory's they'd deliver Sony & Nintendo quality games! You sent a message to MS that everything they gave you was perfect!
This generation literally stared for Xbox with MS giving you fools ZERO 1st party games! No console platform provider has has EVER had the nerve to try something so disrespectful but...
How did you xbox fandom react? 🤔 You kept SUBBING them and DEFENDED them for giving you no games!
Why TF would MS change anything they've done when you (xbox fans) kept telling them that those low budget, unfinished, buggy, early access, basement indie level games is exactly what made you sub?
So weird trying to absolve Xbox from this mess. Phil and Xbox literally shown their influence when they mandate game exclusive to xbox/pc platform and forcing dev to remove mtx. Lots more behind the scene that could be happening.
@Antwan3K: but the majority of Halo fans and Gears fan agree that the modern games are lacking in comparison to the older games. Cliffy B tweeted this the other day.
firstly, that ideal of the modern games vs the originals has absolutely nothing to do with what i said.. the Halo/Gears/Forza meme includes those original games..
secondly, that tweet doesn't doesn't specifically mention the current Halo or Gears games..
thirdly, of course Cliffy B prefers Gears 1-3.. 🙄
@davillain said:
@mysticaldonut: Why would you use Cliff Bleszinski as your backup? He hasn't made a good game like in years.
Why would I not? It's not even backup, it's proving a point. He is one of the original creators and made the best three Gears games. I have never in my life heard someone say 4 and 5 are better than 1-3. Gears of War 4 was okay for what it was but the campaign completely missed the mark with Gears 5. The storyline was forced and bad, so was the pseudo open world elements and pointless side missions.
Well, the meltdown specialist has entered the room with lower than averge iq than before. 🤣
How about debating the claim? Because the point being made is quite valid. It’s pretty clear that the core Game Pass subscriber doesn’t care about quality 1st party titles, or giant lulls in content. Not enough to cancel their subscription. There has been a stall in Game Pass growth, but it’s clear they have a stable base at the current number. Gamers continue to stick around because of the “value.” Voting with their wallets… You’re one of them. As is Antwan. Hell, I’m guilty of it too… Xbox has pushed some games out that clearly weren’t ready for prime time. Their biggest franchise was one of them. Jez Corden brought this up on twitter. Most of the Xbox Twitter crew is coming to the same conclusion. How much longer can you and Antwan continue this charade?
What happens when Starfield launches a buggy mess? Is saving a few bucks on games really worth this to y’all?
@Maroxad: I'm a big fan of Arkane's work, of course I was hyped. Of course it was clear something was off but being Arkane I was still ultimately hoping they could make something cool. Maybe not exactly for me but a Destiny like game with their creative twist could still be interesting. Was not expecting it to be this apparent disaster.
Honest I don't care about the Gamepass narrative from the hate crew as I've played countless great games there but... BIG BUTT... Microsoft, or Bethesda same shit, fucking Arkane like this is something that doesn't sits well with me and I won't be renewing my GP subscription until this game is ready to be released. Then I'll give it a chance.
well said and shows exactly why the idea of "just put it in Game Pass" is nonsense by any standard.. it's nonsense from a business standpoint and it's nonsense as a fanboy narrative..
you can't grow a subscription service and/or a gaming brand on 4/10 broken games.. regardless of if this was an isolated incident or continued poor management at Microsoft, games like RedFall simply cannot become the norm..
At this point, all eyes are on Starfield and due to Microsoft/Xbox's mismanagement of RedFall, all faith that they can deliver a good game is gone.. if they have to delay Starfeild until 2025, do it.. ship games when they are ready.. period..
well said and shows exactly why the idea of "just put it in Game Pass" is nonsense by any standard.. it's nonsense from a business standpoint and it's nonsense as a fanboy narrative..
you can't grow a subscription service and/or a gaming brand on 4/10 broken games.. regardless of if this was an isolated incident or continued poor management at Microsoft, games like RedFall simply cannot become the norm..
At this point, all eyes are on Starfield and due to Microsoft/Xbox's mismanagement of RedFall, all faith that they can deliver a good game is gone.. if they have to delay Starfeild until 2025, do it.. ship games when they are ready.. period..
So you call the narrative “nonsense,” but your second paragraph contradicts the statement. RedFall isn’t an isolated incident. And without the AA “b-tier” budgeted games recently released in the service, the draw to Game Pass would be nonexistent. Arkane knew RedFall wasn’t ready. Xbox KNEW Redfall wasn’t ready. Yet they launched the game. Why? You call it nonsense from a business perspective. Well please explain what happened then…
"Those who wish to only mainline the story can expect something between 15-20 hours of playtime. However, be aware that some side missions are necessary for main story progress, as you won't be able to take on bosses until you've killed enough underbosses, and for that you'll need to wipe vampires and cultists out of neighborhoods. So while it's true you can mainline the game to beat it sooner, here "mainlining" still comes with some side-questing too.
Of course, for players who want to do absolutely everything in the game, you're looking at something more like 30 hours. For that, you'll want to complete all optional quests, clear all neighborhoods, and collect all 100 Grave Locks, an in-game collectible that provides both gameplay buffs and lore."
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Just wowzerz, the GP bang for the buck is off the charts. Thank you, Uncle Phil. lol :P
Well, the meltdown specialist has entered the room with lower than averge iq than before. 🤣
lol
@Pedro said:
The fun thing about Gamepass is that scores don't matter (not like it did for me within the past 10 years). If the game scores great the cost is still the same and is part of your sub. If the game is trash, the cost is still the same and is part of your sub.🤷🏽♂️
lol 😂 look at the dumbest member of the entire group trying to speak 👆.
You can't say shit now 🤡. You literally advocating for MS to do exactly this.
@Pedro 🥴"If the game is trash, the cost is still the same and is part of your sub"
yep thanks to Game Pass, RedFall is the first 4/10 game in existence... 🙄
/s
here's a news flash for the disingenuous: rushed/bad/broken games have existed before 2017 and they happen on every platform..
And why did they exist? Nobody said this is exclusive to Xbox and Game Pass. But the decision to release bad games is ALWAYS a business decision. Whether it’s a disconnect between management and developers, or it’s purely a money move. But these companies know their game is bad before they launch it… And Xbox is releasing more “meh” now than they did before 2017. You have to see that…
And your sig is pretty ironic lol. Game Pass and PlayStation PC… Both have been on a roll as of late lol. Your utopian gaming future is sure having a quality issue at the moment… But you get to save a few bucks so 🤷🏾♂️ amirite?
I just had time to play Redfall for 40 minutes, and initial impressions are that the 4/10 score is justified. The game has clearly released in an unfinished state. I am gonna wait a month and see how much the inevitable patches will improve the game. I still have to finish Far Cry 6 after all, a 10 times better FPS.
yep thanks to Game Pass, RedFall is the first 4/10 game in existence... 🙄
/s
here's a news flash for the disingenuous: rushed/bad/broken games have existed before 2017 and they happen on every platform..
And why did they exist? Nobody said this is exclusive to Xbox and Game Pass. But the decision to release bad games is ALWAYS a business decision. Whether it’s a disconnect between management and developers, or it’s purely a money move. But these companies know their game is bad before they launch it… And Xbox is releasing more “meh” now than they did before 2017. You have to see that…
And your sig is pretty ironic lol. Game Pass and PlayStation PC… Both have been on a roll as of late lol. Your utopian gaming future is sure having a quality issue at the moment… But you get to save a few bucks so 🤷🏾♂️ amirite?
I'll say it again.
The LAST fully featured, competent and complete game released as a AAA 1st party xbox MS exclusive (outside of Halo/Gears/Forza) was Quantum Break...
IT WAS A FULL PRICED $60 GAME!!!!!!!
also
Quantum Break was MS's last 1st party Xbox exclusive to release before the Gamepass Day and Date 1st party release model came into effect.
Xbox literally went from this at FULL PRICE...
to THIS on a service...
lol and Xbox fans are confused as to what TF happened smfh.
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