@goldenelementxl said:
I feel like you would have a point if we saw any signs of life from the development team post launch.
This is patently false, and ignores how complicated video game development is. I get that this is System Wars, where everyone acts like a baboon and thinks its okay to just call devs lazy, when they aren't fucking lazy, but even in Halo's case nah.
343 has offered constant updates not only on being aware of problems being presented to them, but then in their weekly explaining what the problem is, how the dev team was looking to solve it, and then a time table after. They have done it for a bunch of stuff, from retooling the challenge system, to bringing in a slayer play list, to btb. They were up front about saying that they were taking the holiday stretch off, because they crunched like mother fuckers for the last some odd years to get that game stable and working n out.
That is more than most games have ever done when they've launched in less than stellar states. That's more than big hit early access titles have done while bringing in big money. So out the gate we are dealing with a false premise.
@goldenelementxl said:
But the devs have made little to no adjustments to the product. At least with BF 2042 we are gonna see a big change in the model. The Halo crew is in no hurry to right the ship. The co-op and forge stuff is further off than originally planned.
Coop and Forge are bigger undertakings, especially for a game that needs 4k cosmetic content and 4k open world content in the case of Infinite, and we're not even sure what specifically happens with the campaigns going forward, given the model they set up.
They got pushed back pretty early into the release of halo when, again, they were up front about saying we are extending season 1 by 3 months, and season 2 will begin in May. Even just now they are talking about resetting ranks, to dole out a new ranking system. So it's a process they have been tinkering with for awhile. Challenges are still tied to how you generate XP, challenges are easier to do and spread out across multiple playlists, challenges don't make you do shit that is out of your control nearly as bad as when the game came out (still some stinkers in there like needing to get 5 killjoys in Fiesta), and while BTB was borked, I wasn't getting BTB challenges.
Next up on deck they've spoken about handling Desync.
@goldenelementxl said:
You mentioned the game was never going to sell as much as the previous games out of the gate. The 2022 Lems disagree with that statement.
I don't care if they disagree. If you have a brain, 1+1 is still going to equal 2 lol. Halo's money maker was and always has been its multiplayer. If you take multiplayer out of a Halo game, said Halo game will sell less copies. When you take the multiplayer and make it free, then the only thing they are selling is the campaign. So yeah if purely talking people who paid 60 bucks, 100% Halo Infinite is dead last among the Halos, maybe ODST did worse/will do worse overall........................but that's like a no duh point at that point.
The game's ability to engage, be active, maintain its competitive momentum, draw revenue will be bigger deals. And this is exactly why devs want to go the GaaS route to begin with, we argued about this with fucking Splatoon and SFV when I called you all clowns for supporting half finished games by giving them money. Its a pay for it now, we'll finish the job later. It worked for Siege (tho that was a great game to begin with), it ultimately sort of worked for SFV, it works for Nintendo, it worked for Sea of Thieves, it's the real allure of the Butt Royale games.
Halo feels slow, relative to Halo's level of content n modess. No other free to play on its best day, in its current years old form can boast having the feature set of Halo 3, Halo Reach, Halo 4, or Halo 5 for that matter. CoD would be the exception, and CoD aint free, and comes out yearly with 3 devs+a bunch of other grunt worker teams on it for a reason.
Call it a failure, doesn't really make sense at this point. As frustrating as the game is, its initial job was laying down the foundation, in a year we'll know if gambling the initial wave away was worth it. My money is they will be fine.
If the convo is will they ever be HALO again, that ship sailed ages, when Bungie was the dev. They will never be finish the fight, culturally, ever the **** again. Too many things were in their favor at the time to be replicated again.
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