Rumor: Ps4 devs have access to 7GB GDDR5 RAM

So, that's 7GB for games and 1GB for the OS. An impressive jump from PS3's 512MB of RAM.

But it won't be comparable to what the PC offers though.

[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"][QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

Hardware-based video encoding has been around for decades. They're found in a lot of digital cameras and camcorders, including Sony's own line. There's a lot of video-encoding boards for the PC that allow recording nice-quality compressed footage on the fly.

We're not sure yet what resolution/format video-sharing will be for the PS4. If the max is 15 minutes, I would guess the format will be compressed to keep the file size relatively small. That means there has to be a hardware chip of some sort to do the processing.

The file has to be compressed because raw files take up so much space. A two-minute footage of Crysis 3 (at a res of 1176x 664) using FRAPS took up 1.74Gb. If the PS4 will record compressed videos on the fly, more than likely it'll have a dedicated chip for it (and not the ARM, CPU, or GPU).

jun_aka_pekto

You can't always guarantee software-based encoding to be fluid while playing a game at the same time. I don't think Sony would take that chance, especially if the videos will be in HD. That's why I think they'll go with hardware-based encoding.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

[QUOTE="killzowned24"] xbox has a rumored weaker gpu too :lol:

 

176 gb/s >>>> 68 gb/s :cool:

killzowned24

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

Hardware-based video encoding has been around for decades. They're found in a lot of digital cameras and camcorders, including Sony's own line. There's a lot of video-encoding boards for the PC that allow recording nice-quality compressed footage on the fly.

We're not sure yet what resolution/format video-sharing will be for the PS4. If the max is 15 minutes, I would guess the format will be compressed to keep the file size relatively small. That means there has to be a hardware chip of some sort to do the processing.

The file has to be compressed because raw files take up so much space. A two-minute footage of Crysis 3 (at a res of 1176x 664) using FRAPS took up 1.74Gb. If the PS4 will record compressed videos on the fly, more than likely it'll have a dedicated chip for it (and not the ARM, CPU, or GPU).

jun_aka_pekto

Intel QuickSync was added to Intel Sandybridge.

Game play recorder with Intel QuickSync suport from http://mirillis.com/en/products/action.html

Record HD videos in MP4 format with Intel® Quick Sync Video!

Action! introduces real-time FullHD 60p video recording directly to MP4 (H.264/AVC) format with low CPU usage! Record your desktop or gameplay directly to MP4 format and enjoy smooth videos and super small file size!

I tried that Action! thing and it started doing weird stuff to the Win 7 DWM. It's definitely not as simple as FRAPS. It'd be nice if FRAPS did .mp4 saves.

"Action! 1.13.3" works fine with my Mini-ITX PC (Windows 7 Ultimate X64).

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"]I know uncompressed is always better, i record LBP music uncompressed myself (as uncompressed audio don't take much as video) for LittleBigAudio and even upload it uncommpressed to YouTube with static screen so it can encode to as they like without reencoding :p but doing so with video is kind of crazy, i mean you got 1TB disk just for that and hour gameplay takes half of it XDTessellation

*off-topic*

I am editing AVCHD now, do you have any experience with it? i suppose you do? any recommendations to not lose quality when converting it to other formats? 

Hardware-based video encoding has been around for decades. They're found in a lot of digital cameras and camcorders, including Sony's own line. There's a lot of video-encoding boards for the PC that allow recording nice-quality compressed footage on the fly.

We're not sure yet what resolution/format video-sharing will be for the PS4. If the max is 15 minutes, I would guess the format will be compressed to keep the file size relatively small. That means there has to be a hardware chip of some sort to do the processing.

The file has to be compressed because raw files take up so much space. A two-minute footage of Crysis 3 (at a res of 1176x 664) using FRAPS took up 1.74Gb. If the PS4 will record compressed videos on the fly, more than likely it'll have a dedicated chip for it (and not the ARM, CPU, or GPU).

jun_aka_pekto

Intel QuickSync was added to Intel Sandybridge.

Game play recorder with Intel QuickSync suport from http://mirillis.com/en/products/action.html

Record HD videos in MP4 format with Intel® Quick Sync Video!

Action! introduces real-time FullHD 60p video recording directly to MP4 (H.264/AVC) format with low CPU usage! Record your desktop or gameplay directly to MP4 format and enjoy smooth videos and super small file size!

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] That's one of the most idiotic estimates I've seen on system wars. Look at full blown desktops, they dont' even use that much... why would a gaming machine need to reserve that much during gaming. M$ only needed 30mb to fit all of the features it had, which includes cross game chat. And Recording video isn't memory intensive, it's IO intensive. If you can't store images as fast as they are produced no amount of memory will fix that, eventually your buffer will fill and you'll start loosing frames.tormentos

I plan to upgrade my GCNs (from Jan 2012 ) to GDDR6 SKUs. By Q4 2013 time period, my GCNs would be almost 2 years old.

From http://techreport.com/news/24653/rumor-limited-edition-amd-fx-processor-to-reach-5ghz AMD plans to update FX processors to 5Ghz.

I'm starting to think the only thing console people hyping 8GB GDDR5 understand is that 5>3

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] That's one of the most idiotic estimates I've seen on system wars. Look at full blown desktops, they dont' even use that much... why would a gaming machine need to reserve that much during gaming. M$ only needed 30mb to fit all of the features it had, which includes cross game chat. And Recording video isn't memory intensive, it's IO intensive. If you can't store images as fast as they are produced no amount of memory will fix that, eventually your buffer will fill and you'll start loosing frames.tormentos

Meh my card has enough RAM for now and the near future.  in the future I'll upgrade.   If your GPU has 2GB of DDR5 you are good for now.  Few games are pushing RAM like that.  In the future yes but in the future people will have better cards.  Also will the PS4/720 be able to even take advantage of all the RAM they have?  Their APUs still have to be able to render the images at an appropriate framerate.  More detail, more objects on screen, and all the good stuff more RAM can help provide means more stress on the processing units.  At some point devs will be able to give the consoles more because of RAM but their APUs will struggle to keep it up.  Where as on PC the GPUs will be plenty fast enough to keep up.  No matter how you look at it PC is winning the arms race when you talk about hardware. 

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="04dcarraher"] Another one that thinks the power of the 8gb GDDR5 and its bandwidth will be the saving grace of the PS4. You can have a gpu with a smaller bus with less bandwidth and still outperform a gpu with a wider memory(more bandwidth bus at 1080. 04dcarraher

You totally missed the point...
ie GTX 660ti with 192bit 144 GB/s beating 7870 with 256bit 153 gb/s

Also with GDDR3 you need 2x to match GDDR5 and since you have 128bit GDDR3 vs 128bit GDDR5, You need 256bit GDDR3 to match 128bit GDDR5.

You can use 384bit GDDR3 reach 100+ GB/s and 512bit GDDR3 reach 150+ GB/s. ie GTX 280 512bit GDDR3 159GB/s while 7870 256bit GDDR5 153GB/s.

There are other bottlenecks besides memory e.g. TMUs. The main update for 7790 was with TMU count.

With current PC games, the primary competitor for 660 Ti (GK104, 295mm^2) would be 7870 XT (Tahiti LE, 356 mm^2**) not with 7870 Ghz Edition (Pitcairn XT, 212mm^2)

**Proper support for 64bit compute.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="Tessellation"]

*off-topic*

I am editing AVCHD now, do you have any experience with it? i suppose you do? any recommendations to not lose quality when converting it to other formats? 

Tessellation

There should be a sticky for RAM threads.

kraken2109

[QUOTE="Tessellation"]

[QUOTE="clyde46"] Should do. AVCHD is a broadcast format. clyde46

because FCPX doesn't unless you do it from the camera via USB. 

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="killzowned24"] PS4 has more bandwidth anyway so can do more per frame regardless. :lol:tormentos

PS4 has to share it's memory bandwidth with the CPU and GPU i.e. the CPU would be limited by it's I/O interface with the northbridge.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

xbox 360 version has next gen lighting, PC has a bloom instead of that

Check it out, it may destroy the little dream world PC gamers live in, but is a fact

Digital Foundry has all the pics to prove it

loosingENDS

Next gen lighting ? Yes because X360 has next gen hardware.

Also, can you show me a sun in the X360 version ? I really wonder where the heck they get the lighting source... oh wait it's next gen, don't need no sun.

Damage control wont save the day in this situation

PC simply has last gen bloom, something PC people used to laugh at when the first launch console games used it back in 2005

Xbox 360 has next gen proper lighting, a light source and proper shadows on charatcers, that also DO NOT GLOW !!! LOL

PC is laughable, that is all

What damage control ? PC looks best, I'm glad you took a crap shoot of the PC.

[QUOTE="Tessellation"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"] You can use Handbrake to convert it a MP4 then you can edit itclyde46

and that Ram is going to mean absolutely nothing if developers don't make great games.

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="Tessellation"] i use clipwrap but i am not satisfied,i will check it out later i am quite a noob with AVCHD,thanks.Tessellation

bu.. but.. 8... LOL 7GB of GDDR5 LOLLLLfernandmondego_

huh? Its still 8gb gddr5, not that the ram size was decreased :roll:

[QUOTE="Consolessuck187"][QUOTE="caseypayne69"] well, the most legit ones point to 68 gb/s .And the esram is only a tiny 32mb.PC_Otter

Seriously if Sony keeps coming with the great news like this, they might reach ps2 level of success with the ps4 launch. Just announce a good prize, and people will definitely jump in (also less shooters and more rpg/adventure and platformer please :oops: )trollhunter2

I don't think that we'll ever see another console or handheld with such big sales like the PS2 or the DS ever again.

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

Hardware-based video encoding has been around for decades. They're found in a lot of digital cameras and camcorders, including Sony's own line. There's a lot of video-encoding boards for the PC that allow recording nice-quality compressed footage on the fly.

We're not sure yet what resolution/format video-sharing will be for the PS4. If the max is 15 minutes, I would guess the format will be compressed to keep the file size relatively small. That means there has to be a hardware chip of some sort to do the processing.

The file has to be compressed because raw files take up so much space. A two-minute footage of Crysis 3 (at a res of 1176x 664) using FRAPS took up 1.74Gb. If the PS4 will record compressed videos on the fly, more than likely it'll have a dedicated chip for it (and not the ARM, CPU, or GPU).

ronvalencia

Intel QuickSync was added to Intel Sandybridge.

Game play recorder with Intel QuickSync suport from http://mirillis.com/en/products/action.html

Record HD videos in MP4 format with Intel® Quick Sync Video!

Action! introduces real-time FullHD 60p video recording directly to MP4 (H.264/AVC) format with low CPU usage! Record your desktop or gameplay directly to MP4 format and enjoy smooth videos and super small file size!

I tried that Action! thing and it started doing weird stuff to the Win 7 DWM. It's definitely not as simple as FRAPS. It'd be nice if FRAPS did .mp4 saves.

Maybe now there can be Cross-game chat on PSN. ;)

[QUOTE="killzowned24"]

[QUOTE="Tessellation"] and this is just a rumor made by some sketchy website(they have no proof),imagine if it takes even more than 1GB he is going to commit suicide,since his life depends on PS4 ''superiority'' :lol:04dcarraher

[QUOTE="PC_Otter"][QUOTE="Consolessuck187"] Ignore him he is just pure damage controlling since the PS4 will not use 4+ GB for system and OS like he claimed..:lol:savagetwinkie

[QUOTE="Tessellation"]

[QUOTE="clyde46"] True but I can compress a 400GB+ video file down to about 13-14GB. 04dcarraher

*off-topic*

I am editing AVCHD now, do you have any experience with it? i suppose you do? any recommendations to not lose quality when converting it to other formats? 

That's what I do with the raw video files generated by FRAPS.

If gameplay, rather than detail fidelity, is the purpose, I use Windows Movie Maker to convert raw files to tiny .wmv files.

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

Intel QuickSync was added to Intel Sandybridge.

Game play recorder with Intel QuickSync suport from http://mirillis.com/en/products/action.html

Record HD videos in MP4 format with Intel® Quick Sync Video!

Action! introduces real-time FullHD 60p video recording directly to MP4 (H.264/AVC) format with low CPU usage! Record your desktop or gameplay directly to MP4 format and enjoy smooth videos and super small file size!

 

ronvalencia

I tried that Action! thing and it started doing weird stuff to the Win 7 DWM. It's definitely not as simple as FRAPS. It'd be nice if FRAPS did .mp4 saves.

"Action! 1.13.3" works fine with my Mini-ITX PC (Windows 7 Ultimate X64).

I'll try again in the future. Right now, I'm in PS3-mode. I need to finish my PS3 backlog.

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="Tessellation"] does it handle it native?Tessellation

because FCPX doesn't unless you do it from the camera via USB. 

[QUOTE="caseypayne69"]I don't get how the Wii U and PS4 use the same 1 Gb for OS ram yet the PS4's is sounding way better.Consolessuck187

I plan to upgrade my GCNs (from Jan 2012 ) to GDDR6 SKUs. By Q4 2013 time period, my GCNs would be almost 2 years old.

From http://techreport.com/news/24653/rumor-limited-edition-amd-fx-processor-to-reach-5ghz AMD plans to update FX processors to 5Ghz.

ronvalencia

PS4 has to share it's memory bandwidth with the CPU and GPU i.e. the CPU would be limited by it's I/O interface with the northbridge.

ronvalencia

 

Meh my card has enough RAM for now and the near future.  in the future I'll upgrade.   If your GPU has 2GB of DDR5 you are good for now.  Few games are pushing RAM like that.  In the future yes but in the future people will have better cards.  Also will the PS4/720 be able to even take advantage of all the RAM they have?  Their APUs still have to be able to render the images at an appropriate framerate.  More detail, more objects on screen, and all the good stuff more RAM can help provide means more stress on the processing units.  At some point devs will be able to give the consoles more because of RAM but their APUs will struggle to keep it up.  Where as on PC the GPUs will be plenty fast enough to keep up.  No matter how you look at it PC is winning the arms race when you talk about hardware. 

NFJSupreme

Ooh, RAM! And at the same amount and quality I've had for a few years, too :D. No, really - it isn't irrelevant, but at that amount I'm sure whatever performance hickups the PS4 will have will be due to an outdated GPU/CPU.

I'm starting to think the only thing console people hyping 8GB GDDR5 understand is that 5>3

NoodleFighter

higher is better, that's all we need to know. :P

[QUOTE="kraken2109"][QUOTE="-Renegade"]

higher is better, that's all we need to know. :P

faizan_faizan

No, DDR3 has lower latency, but alot less bandwidth... so...

[QUOTE="NoodleFighter"]

I'm starting to think the only thing console people hyping 8GB GDDR5 understand is that 5>3

-Renegade

higher is better, that's all we need to know. :P

[QUOTE="-Renegade"]

[QUOTE="NoodleFighter"]

I'm starting to think the only thing console people hyping 8GB GDDR5 understand is that 5>3

kraken2109

higher is better, that's all we need to know. :P

[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"][QUOTE="kraken2109"] But DDR3 has lower latency than GDDR5Bebi_vegeta

No, DDR3 has lower latency, but alot less bandwidth... so...

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="Tessellation"]

because FCPX doesn't unless you do it from the camera via USB. 

Tessellation

Maybe now there can be Cross-game chat on PSN. ;)

xhawk27

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"] I think it's the other way around.faizan_faizan

No, DDR3 has lower latency, but alot less bandwidth... so...

Sony are right back up in ya muthafukin ass ready to deliver an unparalleled experience of world class gaming.APiranhaAteMyVa

[QUOTE="NFJSupreme"]

 

Meh my card has enough RAM for now and the near future.  in the future I'll upgrade.   If your GPU has 2GB of DDR5 you are good for now.  Few games are pushing RAM like that.  In the future yes but in the future people will have better cards.  Also will the PS4/720 be able to even take advantage of all the RAM they have?  Their APUs still have to be able to render the images at an appropriate framerate.  More detail, more objects on screen, and all the good stuff more RAM can help provide means more stress on the processing units.  At some point devs will be able to give the consoles more because of RAM but their APUs will struggle to keep it up.  Where as on PC the GPUs will be plenty fast enough to keep up.  No matter how you look at it PC is winning the arms race when you talk about hardware. 

tormentos

lol you have no idea what card I have.  I have a 7950.  3GB 384-bit DDR5.  RAM will not be an issue for me in the near future.  If you think that you are just as bad as the people who thought the PS4 OS would use 4GB of RAM.