Rumor: Ps4 devs have access to 7GB GDDR5 RAM

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

I know right!

both products of Microsoft.

WilliamRLBaker

Unneeded IMO with 7gigs the RAM will never be bottle-necked but the CPU, GPU can still be and will be. IMO they just put 8 gigs because M$ said they were, but MS is using windows 8 in their OP system which is a RAM hog. 7 gigs is overkill IMO for the CPU and GPU they're using I'll be surprised if 1 game net Gen uses all that RAM even once.

Shielder7

They probably put 8 gigs in it becuase the future of PC gaming is kind of unknown. They are building the PS4 to get ports of PC games easily so they are probably just preparing the thing for the future.

RAM is cheap. Might as well put more than you need in it to be safe.

[QUOTE="trollhunter2"]

[QUOTE="Shielder7"]

Unneeded IMO with 7gigs the RAM will never be bottle-necked but the CPU, GPU can still be and will be. IMO they just put 8 gigs because M$ said they were, but MS is using windows 8 in their OP system which is a RAM hog. 7 gigs is overkill IMO for the CPU and GPU they're using I'll be surprised if 1 game net Gen uses all that RAM even once.

Shielder7

its not an overkill, more like a save future?

You need to learn from all software developers from the last 20 years. You can never have enough RAM. Ever.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

That's a gig more than I thought they would have.

I was figuring about 2 gigs for the OS and whatnot, 6 gigs shared for the games. That's plenty.

For 1080p you only really need 2 gigs for GPU and I can't think of a single PC game that takes more than 3 gigs of ram when it's running on a 64 bit machine. Even the big ones like Shogun 2, ArmA 3, Planetside 2.

Either way, the RAM won't be what limits the PS4 any time soon.

ShadowriverUB

[QUOTE="PC_Otter"]

7 GB is easily enough for games.  4 GB would've been fine.

ShadowriverUB

I'm glad that the PS4 has 8 GB but 4 GB would've been perfectly workable for the system. 6 GB would be what I consider the "optimal" considering the prospective capabilities, but that would've required going to a narrower 192 bit memory bus or going to a wider but more expensive 384 bit bus. I'm sure by the end of the PS4's life, developers will be happy to have all that memory, especially as a single large pool of data. 360 developers love that aspect about the 360's UMA.

The PS4's OS could use 2 GB and 6 GB would still be plenty of room.  In fact I won't be one bit surprised if Sony allocates 2 GB to the system with all the background processes.  

And funny enough, after all this talk of 8GB...

[QUOTE="Shielder7"][QUOTE="trollhunter2"]

its not an overkill, more like a save future?

Wasdie

You need to learn from all software developers from the last 20 years. You can never have enough RAM. Ever.

[QUOTE="trollhunter2"]

[QUOTE="Shielder7"]

Unneeded IMO with 7gigs the RAM will never be bottle-necked but the CPU, GPU can still be and will be. IMO they just put 8 gigs because M$ said they were, but MS is using windows 8 in their OP system which is a RAM hog. 7 gigs is overkill IMO for the CPU and GPU they're using I'll be surprised if 1 game net Gen uses all that RAM even once.

Shielder7

its not an overkill, more like a save future?

No such thing as overkill for RAM, more is ALWAYS better

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

And funny enough, after all this talk of 8GB...

I_can_haz

[QUOTE="I_can_haz"]

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

And funny enough, after all this talk of 8GB...

clyde46

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="I_can_haz"]:cool: It's still 8GB of GDDR5 unless you believe that your PC also has only 7GB of RAM because Windows 7 and other programs eat about 1GB.I_can_haz

[QUOTE="Shielder7"]

Unneeded IMO with 7gigs the RAM will never be bottle-necked but the CPU, GPU can still be and will be. IMO they just put 8 gigs because M$ said they were, but MS is using windows 8 in their OP system which is a RAM hog. 7 gigs is overkill IMO for the CPU and GPU they're using I'll be surprised if 1 game net Gen uses all that RAM even once.

Wasdie

They probably put 8 gigs in it becuase the future of PC gaming is kind of unknown. They are building the PS4 to get ports of PC games easily so they are probably just preparing the thing for the future.

RAM is cheap. Might as well put more than you need in it to be safe.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="Shielder7"]

Unneeded IMO with 7gigs the RAM will never be bottle-necked but the CPU, GPU can still be and will be. IMO they just put 8 gigs because M$ said they were, but MS is using windows 8 in their OP system which is a RAM hog. 7 gigs is overkill IMO for the CPU and GPU they're using I'll be surprised if 1 game net Gen uses all that RAM even once.

Shielder7

They probably put 8 gigs in it becuase the future of PC gaming is kind of unknown. They are building the PS4 to get ports of PC games easily so they are probably just preparing the thing for the future.

RAM is cheap. Might as well put more than you need in it to be safe.

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

I know right!

both products of Microsoft.

WilliamRLBaker

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="Shielder7"] No it's overkill.I_can_haz

You need to learn from all software developers from the last 20 years. You can never have enough RAM. Ever.

[QUOTE="I_can_haz"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

You need to learn from all software developers from the last 20 years. You can never have enough RAM. Ever.

Shielder7

lol ps4daily...the same guys that made the rumor of the ps4 CPU running over 2.0ghz and the same guys that said PS3 RSX can do 400 Gigaflops lol,they made up sh!t out thin air.

Tessellation

You there, get back to the basement.

[QUOTE="Shielder7"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

They probably put 8 gigs in it becuase the future of PC gaming is kind of unknown. They are building the PS4 to get ports of PC games easily so they are probably just preparing the thing for the future.

RAM is cheap. Might as well put more than you need in it to be safe.

clyde46

All of that won't be used for graphics.

[QUOTE="Shielder7"][QUOTE="I_can_haz"]Very true. Just when you think you have enough RAM devs will find new ways of eating it up. In all my years of gaming on PCs and consoles I've learned that you can never have enough RAM.I_can_haz

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

[QUOTE="PC_Otter"] If the so secondary "security/media co-processor" actually exists in the PS4, it could possibly record and encode in realtime, keeping the memory footprint in RAM and on the HDD manageable. Lord knows what FRAPS does to PCs as you scale the quality and recordable FPS up. stereointegrity

I think PS4 implementation will be nothing like FRAPS that has to conform to what the OS allows for getting the stream

Probably the PS4 one will be close to free, otherwise would make no sense at all to have such a feature that noone would care about and yet compromise the quality of every game

Just makes zero sense, unless Sony people escaped from a nut house

Dont you need at least one extra call to get the frame buffer and write it ?

And that is before trying to do compression to the stream etc

PS4 could have one CPU thread do it, the terrible thing would be wasting bandwidth to do it

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="stereointegrity"] its doing alot more then caching videos.....still it doesnt matter...video recording doesnt tax the cpustereointegrity

yes it will tax the processor, core/s, the rumored ARM processor is suppose be for passive backgrounds tasks which mean that the streaming/recording will have to fall upon the 8 core cpu. 

Well damn :shock:

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

That's a gig more than I thought they would have.

I was figuring about 2 gigs for the OS and whatnot, 6 gigs shared for the games. That's plenty.

For 1080p you only really need 2 gigs for GPU and I can't think of a single PC game that takes more than 3 gigs of ram when it's running on a 64 bit machine. Even the big ones like Shogun 2, ArmA 3, Planetside 2.

Either way, the RAM won't be what limits the PS4 any time soon.

04dcarraher

One dev has already said that some RAM has been reserved for other features, like for example

One of the benefits of the additional memory is that Sony has fenced in its system memory so that developers don't have to worry about it.

"When you press the PlayStation button on a PS3 game, you get the basic XMB up [but] to do anything you have to quit the game, because of the memory for it," said Gilray.

"With PS4 we don't have that because the system memory is already ring-fenced for itself."

So 1gb for the OS? That saves alot of ram just for games! Good...good...!

So 1gb for the OS? That saves alot of ram just for games! Good...good...!

PAL360

I'm Tali you are just a cheap imposter.

So there.

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

So 1gb for the OS? That saves alot of ram just for games! Good...good...!

muffin200

I'm Tali you are just a cheap imposter.

So there.

:lol:

So 1gb for the OS? That saves alot of ram just for games! Good...good...!

PAL360

[QUOTE="PC_Otter"][QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

Because it is a console and the OS should be minimal

That 1GB is probably also including space for caching videos etc

jun_aka_pekto

I thought the rumors mentioned the PS4 having a dedicated hardware-based chip for encoding videos. It'll still take up RAM. But, at least the workload is taken off the CPU unlike FRAPS which brings my PC to its knees especially when encoding 1080p video (while playing a game). If the rumors are true, that'll be sweet.

It will take 4-5 years for PC to match access to 7GB of fast unified ram

For now PC has to stall everythging and move texture data from main ram to smaller VRAM, losing both ram space and bandwith, plus CPU cycles

PC architecture is a disaster comparing to PS4

It will take 4-5 years for PC to match access to 7GB of fast unified ram

For now PC has to stall everythging and move texture data from main ram to smaller VRAM, losing both ram space and bandwith, plus CPU cycles

PC architecture is a disaster comparing to PS4

loosingENDS

[QUOTE="Truth_Hurts_U"]

Funny thing people were saying the games shown were only using 1.5GB. Yet they could have used 3GB and they didn't.

So that just goes to show you. All that extra RAM is wasted on weak HW.

loosingENDS

They were using it because were developed on the garbage PC hardware, with 680GTX that has only 1.5GB VRAM

Now that they have finilized kits and 8GB as final spec to use they can go all out

PC lol

They were using it because were developed on the garbage PC hardware, with 680GTX that has only 1.5GB VRAM

Now that they have finilized kits and 8GB as final spec to use they can go all out

PC lol

loosingENDS

You really are a dumbass.

GTX 680 has 2GB VRAM.

AMD makes the parts.

X86.

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

They were using it because were developed on the garbage PC hardware, with 680GTX that has only 1.5GB VRAM

Now that they have finilized kits and 8GB as final spec to use they can go all out

PC lol

04dcarraher

You mean you dont have, because noonw buys 5000$ video cards

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="clyde46"] The GTX680 is available with 2GB and 4GB. Try again Loosey. loosingENDS

You mean you dont have, because noonw buys 5000$ video cards

All of that won't be used for graphics.

super600

:lol:Wii U has 1GB of of the slow stuff!

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"] Then you have the 6gb Titan and 3gb or 6gb 7970's. Also they can never use more then 4gb for the gpu since the PS4 gpu isnt strong enough make use of the amount of memory to the fullest potential. clyde46

You mean you dont have, because noonw buys 5000$ video cards

Sapphire 7970 can had for less than $500.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="clyde46"] The GTX680 is available with 2GB and 4GB. Try again Loosey. loosingENDS

You mean you dont have, because noonw buys 5000$ video cards

[QUOTE="PC_Otter"]

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

I thought the rumors mentioned the PS4 having a dedicated hardware-based chip for encoding videos. It'll still take up RAM. But, at least the workload is taken off the CPU unlike FRAPS which brings my PC to its knees especially when encoding 1080p video (while playing a game). If the rumors are true, that'll be sweet.

clyde46

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

You mean you dont have, because noonw buys 5000$ video cards

StrongBlackVine

Sapphire 7970 can had for less than $500.

[QUOTE="sanim02"]

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

That's what I was just attempting to explain to the alt fanboy a second ago.

I'm sure the RAM allocation will be in the same neighborhood, but I'm not worried about ituntil I know more about the machine itself.

SolidTy

Man Ty, doesn't it feel odd when these troll accounts from back in the day some how become credible in the eyes of these new kids on the block of SW? Man it's like when someone tried to emulate that PS3 threadmill thread with the shitty WiiU. :(

I saw that thread, lmao! :lol:

Link or it didn't happened!

[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

[QUOTE="clyde46"] Thats funny, last time I checked the GTX680 and the 7970 were selling very well. clyde46

Sapphire 7970 can had for less than $500.

[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

You mean you dont have, because noonw buys 5000$ video cards

clyde46

Sapphire 7970 can had for less than $500.

Nice deal. I'm definitely building a PC at some point. Wish you could hand build a laptop though.