Scorpio or PC?

Would you rather get a Scorpio for $500 maybe ($60/year online) or a $600 PC at similar to better specs that plays all the same games as xbox plus a million more, superior graphics and performance, cheaper games, can be endlessly modded for free, can have full BC to the 1980s, free online, can use any controller, can be customized any way including using TV/couch, has a larger install base, not locked at 6 flops, easier to upgrade, better future proofed and can do 50x the amount of stuff as a console which is authoratatively controlled by greedy capitalist corporations? Are people really that lazy, misinformed, or intimidated by PC? Also, lets say Micro$$$oft decides to release a Scorpio 2 five years or sooner after the Scorpio 1 release cause 6 terraflops is pretty low-mid by the end of 2017 and already dated, you would have to pay $500 maybe or whatever for an entirely new machine while PC gamers can keep most of the same parts except maybe buy a $200 graphic card and have that be more powerful.

Build me this $600 PC, the OS alone is going to run you at least $120, then you have to factor in a controller so you're looking at another $60, you're already down to $420 for your build and you haven't even started assembling the computer yet...

I'd rather save and have a 600-1000 PC....

Xbox one... unless your on a tight budget is just pointless in comparison. most of their main franchises except Forza are simply not top tier anymore, this includes HALO.

I love it.

The console isn't even out yet silly head.

What if the Scorpio is modular and you can replace certain parts to make it more powerful ?

I have all 4 (PC,Xbox, PS4 pro, Nintendo) Xbox gets the most hours in my house . I would buy the console and build a PC later. I have seen many console players regret building a PC after the honey moon period is over.

Console gamer here so Scorpio is the way to go. The majority of PC games doesn't appeal to me and I want to play multiplayer games with friends and they have Xbox. We also game share and I don't think you could do that with PC where you and another could play the game at the same time. Plus I'm in the market for a 4K TV set. I think adding 4K drive will make the price of building that PC balloon up. Plus if the Scorpio looks as sexy as the Xbox One S where I could cleanly put it in my media hub, that's sexy and awesome. A gaming PC is too clunky and bulky and loud for my taste. But I wouldn't mind having a sexy light laptop to do other things like heavy video editing that's capable of running games as well as the Scorpio but the price range will balloon up. Plus I don't want to deal with viruses and hackers more frequent on a PC. Scorpio wins for me.

Why get an xbox anyways when it comes to the pc. If it was me i would have pc then ps4 due to games that will never be on xbox or the nintendo switch

I wouldn't want a cheap $600 PC. I already have a more expensive PC that is better than that. Even though I have a powerful PC, I still want Scorpio because just like millions of gamers, I generally prefer to play games on a console in most cases.

Why do some PC gamers have such a hard time understanding that many people simply prefer the console experience over the experience that they would get on PC?

If you prefer the PC experience, great enjoy that. If other people prefer the console experience, let them enjoy it. Just because some people prefer the console experience doesn't mean that they are misinformed or intimidated by the PC. They just have different values and preferences than you. I own a powerful PC, but still generally prefer to play on consoles and I'm definitely not misinformed, I understand what advantages PCs have, but those advantages just hold less value to me than the advantages that I get from consoles. And being a Computer Engineer, I'm most certainly not intimidated by the PC, but that does lead me to wanting to spend some time away from the PC which is one of the reasons that I prefer consoles.

You can get Windows for $20 USD. I wish I knew about this before my new build over a year ago. And even if you forego that to build a PC for $700-800, that nominal price difference yields a huge difference in performance. And with the massive savings in game costs, plus the inherent flexibility, freedom and consumer options that comes with the platform; makes it more than worth the extra $200+. Of course we have no official price on the X-Scorpio, so that should factor as well. And there are the other benefits.

Scorpio will be outdated when its released, add another year and it is weak. PC all the way, so much cheaper than consoles in the long run.

Console experience? What's that? Build a M-ITX system, stick it next to your TV and there is no difference.

I'm good with my PS4 Pro.

I wouldn't choose, I'd just get both.

Yes, like mine

Gray market keys, in other words illegal and a ToS violation which you just endorsed as a moderator, also you can get mostly anything gray market for substantial discounts, but consumers in general do not, they purchase from authorized vendors.

@pimphand_gamer said:

I wouldn't choose, I'd just get both.

@Random_Matt said:

@storm_of_swords said:

I wouldn't want a cheap $600 PC. I already have a more expensive PC that is better than that. Even though I have a powerful PC, I still want Scorpio because just like millions of gamers, I generally prefer to play games on a console in most cases.

Why do some PC gamers have such a hard time understanding that many people simply prefer to play games on a console over a PC?

If you prefer the PC experience, great enjoy that. If other people prefer the console experience, let them enjoy it. Just because some people prefer the console experience doesn't mean that they are misinformed or intimidated by the PC. They just have different values and preferences than you. I own a powerful PC, but still generally prefer to play on consoles and I'm definitely not misinformed, I understand what advantages PCs have, but those advantages just hold less value to me than the advantages that I get from consoles. And being a Computer Engineer, I'm most certainly not intimidated by the PC, but that does lead me to wanting to spend some time away from the PC which is one of the reasons that I prefer consoles.

Console experience? What's that? Build a M-ITX system, stick it next to your TV and there is no difference.

Yes, like mine

Thanks, you could of saved more money not buying alienware.

That channel is a trusted tech education/information/advisory site, covering product reviews (they receive products from manufacturers they want covered) and how-to guides. I don't think they'd be endorsing anything illegal.

They purchase keys in bulk from poverty stricken regions and resell them in unauthorized regions at exorbitantly lower costs, it's gray market trade, also in a lot of instances these bulk keys are purchased with stolen bank accounts and credit cards. While gray market trade is not technically illegal it's bordering illegality depending on trade agreements between nations and the source of purchase, you have no way of knowing where they are from, how they were purchased and it's most definitely a ToS violation.

@dynamitecop: If u know anyone at all enrolled in college, u can get windows 10 for significantly less money plus most people own a controller or some sort like the 360 or Ps4 controller

Again, this is minority driven sales, most people will not go routes such as this, most people will buy from Microsoft, Amazon, Best Buy etc.

@pimphand_gamer:

That's a very nice setup. :)

Anyway, I go where my friends go. I primarily play online with my brother and he opted for the Xbox One. That was my main reason for buying one. I might see how the Scorpio is before deciding to upgrade.

I would have to waste a lot of money building a second PC to do that because I don't want my primary PC sitting next to the TV; it needs to be in my office area.

Even if I did spend the money to build a second PC just to put it next to my TV for gaming, I still would not be able to play multiplayer with my console gamer friends which is a very big deal since being able to play with my friends is something I highly value, I still would have to deal with mouse/keyboard users having a competitive advantage over me in FPS since I prefer to play with a controller, I still would have to deal with the hackers that are more prevalent on PC, I would still miss out on some games that never come to PC, the experience would still not be as streamlined and hassle-free as a console which is important since I play games to relax, I still would not be able to buy most games on physical media, and this next one may sound a little silly to some but I grew up with consoles and there is a certain psychological comfort and nostalgic feeling that I get from playing on a console that playing on a PC will never be able to provide which makes the experience less enjoyable.

So there would still be differences even if I did build another gaming PC just to stick next to my TV. Maybe these differences don't hold much value to you and you don't view them as a big deal which is why you prefer PC, but they do hold a lot of value to me and plenty of other people and will generally outweigh the advantages that I could get from playing on PC in most circumstances.

@dynamitecop: That freedom of choice is the beauty of PC gaming and it really doesnt matter what the majority of people are spending their money on if i can find the same thing for a better deal. Console players arent given that same luxury

PC. I already decided. Only way I would might reconsider is Microsoft somehow mangages to get Zen into Scorpio(highly unlikely) and price it $400 or less. And even then I just don't want an Xbox in my home.

@Fairmonkey: A PC of course, only dumb lemmings choose the Scorpio. The Scorpio not only has less games and it's less powerful but it's also more expensive in the long run.

PC - 100%

A PC with the endless benefits a PC brings including a massive back catalogue overflowing with exclusives and of course the ability to upgrade whenever one sees fit and free online gaming versus a one off budget PC masquerading as a console with absolutely ZERO exclusives.

Yeah, it's a tricky one alright.

No way. Consoles are finely tuned pieces of electronics. No way MS or anyone else for that matter is going to let you muddle with that.

Build a PC today. Learn to be productive. Be more employable in the future.

Lemmings, sheep and cows all think it's magic, but it's really just better tech.

Scorpio will probably be more "powerful" than my PC, but I paid under $600 since I went for refurbished parts. It's hooked up to my 60' in the living room and I've had it for a year now without any problems despite people telling me a i3 was a bad idea. The newest game I have is Gears 4 and it plays locked at 60fps on the default High setting. The Steam sales and endless indies make it worthwhile for me, but I'm sure some wouldn't be content without playing above 1080p etc.

However, there is a downside and that's when I want to upgrade my GPU I may have to upgrade my CPU so there isn't a bottleneck. For example, a 1080 would probably be held back by my CPU.

Wow talk about being misinformed. I take it you didn't know that you can buy a Win 10 Pro OEM key for about 28 bucks right now. Just got to www.kinguin.net

As said before,this is a grey market area. Just like G2A.

Your buying keys that weren't meant to be sold at that price(breaching the ToS) or bought with stolen credit cards. Might as well pirate it at that point

@MonsieurX: If its legal regardless and legit, it doesnt matter if its that cheap

I kinda figured there was a reason for these "$20" Windows licenses. That's crazy! :O

or 40 bucks for a windows 10 key, and 20 for a freaking xbox 360 controller for windows. But yeah, It will cost the user more. I happen to not care about paying more for individual parts because overall since switching to pc from consoles i spend way less on games.

Xbox

PC will always be better than PS and Scorpio. So if you are a PC gamer get a PC. If you are a console gamer, get Scorpio as it's the most powerful console in the world with the best games.

Good chance the key will get blacklisted.

LOL. uh, it's not Alienware, I built it. Besides, there are more OEM's out there besides Alienware ya know.

So, you are asking me if I want a console or a PC that plays the same games better and has other PC exclusives, plus I can use it for other things. Hmmmm...... let me think.... I will choose the PC.

You can't know if it's legal or not and that's the problem, there's no way to know how it was obtained. In most instances I would say probably not, and in terms of them being legitimate they are and they are not. They're legitimate in terms of being real keys but the method of acquisition is not legitimate, and it's a breech of the ToS.

A prime example of your defense failing.

The story goes like this: Just a few weeks ago Ubisoft revoked the game keys of an unknown number of Uplay members. Their action effectively removed games from user accounts, blocking them from being launched remotely.

The games were, by and large, purchased from Kinguin and G2A, two companies that maintain secondary marketplaces for game keys. The reason for that revocation Ubisoft said in a statement to IGN was that before those keys were put up for sale on the secondary market, they were sourced with stolen credit cards on Electronic Arts' Origin service.

These sites are engaged in illegal activity, they are illegitimate vendors.

@kvally: Yea scorpio is probably the choice if only playing console for multiplats but xbox exclusives dont cut it for me. They arent bad but are by far the least diverse and least amount. Im going PC

Lets decide on which is better choice when the shit is actually out or at least more info is available beside "6TFLOPS". The system could be garbage for all we know.

PC

@dynamitecop: OSs don't really cost much nowadays, there are plenty of ways of getting them for free, especially when considering most people already own windows licenses. Unless of course you have been exclusively using mac products your entire life, but even then there are ways to get OS for free (and yes LEGALLY) so I don't see why it ever needs to be included within the price.

Why does a console that's a year away scare you so much the you needed to make 2 damage controlling threads about the Scorpio to downplay it's "existance" in 2 days???

You can buy OS for 30 bucks from key resellers. And you can download windows officially from Ms web site without purchasing it.

Gray market keys, also that year long promotion ended quite a while ago.

It will be the most powerful console when release so...

PC.

Now that PlayStation and Xbox are more or less shit PCs in disguise there really isn't a need for either console this gen. Okay granted you will miss out on a very small pool of exclusives, but the crazy amount of PC exclusives more than makes up for this.