Scorpio runs BF2 on 4K, at 60FPS, outperforms most of the PCs around

Because the vast majority of those games are shovelware.

So that somehow invalidates the literally thousands of great titles as well? Also, Battlefront 2 will run and look better on the PC.

Do you even use an ounce of logic before you post?

The Xbox One has what, 50 decent games? Most of them are on the PC anyways.

This is probably the single most pathetic argument I've seen on System Wars ever.

We've actually hit a low in System Wars today. This is a god damn milestone.

A thousand games spanning a library over 30+ years doesn't impress me, yes there are some amazing gems to be played but let's be real, most anything within and even over the last decade can be played on a console and if it can't then said void will be filled by something else.

A PC is great for games if you want to travel back in time, if you want to play those older games you could slap one together for less than $100, for now it's largely a redundancy and consoles are largely a redundancy for a PC.

The question is what do you want to deal with? What do you want to spend? What ease of use do you want? How social within the home do you want your gaming to be and so on.

I love PC, but I'm not arrogant to push the narrative anymore that if you skip it that you're somehow missing out on a ridiculous amount of great games, this isn't the 90's anymore.

lol

"Oh shit he destroyed my argument, time to move the goalposts!"

You don't love the PC. You're an idiot trying to defend a console over the PC in terms of number of quality titles. You've moved the goalpost and are now retreating.

We really have hit a new low today.

Also "ridiculous amount of great games". The Xbox One? You mean the console who has a handful of actual exclusives? Forza, Gears, Quantum Break, and pretty much everything moving forward is on the PC. At least pick a console with notable exclusives that you can't get on the PC until you can emulate them 4-5 years down the line or they get ported anyways.

I think you need the calm the hell down. You touting that the PC has 10K+ games is rather silly plus especially when most of if is garbage. There better things to tout than shovelware. You also getting bent because of being called out on it is equally golden. Might as well lock the thread to save face.

No dude, I'm simply saying that this isn't 1998 anymore, the pinnacle of PC gaming is long behind us. Yes it offers the best performance and graphics but that comes at a cost, however in terms of games; consoles for the last decade plus have been getting the bulk and vast majority of games that comes to PC.

The reality is that if you own a console now you will be getting the majority of game experiences that you could have on a PC, that was not the case in decades past but it is now. Now if you want to play those old PC games you simply need $100, an Ebay account and to go on Craigslist, you can play all that massive backlog and spend almost nothing.

A $400-$500 console is what the average person is going to want, even now I stretch myself to validate my owning and continual dumping of funds into my PC, parity in a lot of ways is just getting too close and the content to justify it is spread far too thin.

Oh and make no mistake, I loved PC gaming, I still do in many ways, but I'm not going to sit here and act like it is what it used to be, it's a far cry from the good old days.

most pc's are weak laptops. this means nothing. Even the stock ps4 probably already out performs most pc users.

what settings are they running at? and how well is the pc port optimized?

This means nothing without context.

We PC gamers play Meme games now.

PlayerUnknown's Meme Battlegrounds being the newest along with the Final Meme Fantasy XIV trial.

PC games are meme's now.

Meme's, memes everywhere.

Meme's, meme's never change.

MEME'S!

Star Meme will never release.

Just look at the amount of "people" still playing Garry's Meme on Steam. Trouble in Terrorist Meme is that popular.

H1Z1 King of the Meme peaked at 100,000+ people today.

I mean, out of the top ten the only real games that are being played are CSGO, Team Fortress 2, Dota 2, Warframe, and GTA5.

Rocket League is Meme League.

Ark Survival Meme's is still being played.

Rust is a meme.

All these survival deathmatch games are meme's. Who the actual **** finds these games appealing? Fucking middle schoolers and High School nerds or some shit? I blame DayZ for this trash.

You're willfully ignoring the vast quantity of fantastic games the PC has to offer. Again, having some shitty games doesn't make the platform bad. The PS2 has a massive amount of garbage yet it was considered by everybody to have the most robust lineup. Nobody cares about trash. You can't change that just because you can't make an argument worth shit.

No dude, I'm simply stating that you've yet again moved the goalposts. You clearly do not love PC gaming in the slightest with a dumb attitude like this.

You also make a factually incorrect statement about consoles getting the "majority" of game experiences that you can have a PC. That's asinine and factually incorrect.

You then move the goalpost YET AGAIN with bringing up prices.

Please learn how to argue. Both of you.

No. I am not. There are great games on the PC and the PC allows for full BC unlike consoles. So games you love then and now are all accessible. However praising the thousands of available games (10k+) on the platform is not much of a selling point because most of those games are garbage. One can say that you are willfully ignoring the vast quantity of shitty games and that the shitty games grotesquely outnumber the fantastic games. Don't get riled up because you were called out for pushing THOUSANDS of shit games as a benefit of gaming on PC. :)

That why its cute when people argue about PCs performance advantage as if its a ONE spec system. PC gaming has the worse and best performance in gaming.

Why are you being so hostile? We're just talking here and you're shouting through your text.

Consoles do get a majority of games these days, they get every AAA game, they get almost every B level game, and they get a large number of indies.

In three years the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One have amassed libraries in the excess of 1,300 odd games.

Don't tell me what I do and do not love, if anything I love it more than the likes of someone like yourself because I actually recognize how far it has fallen since its glory days and am not happy about it. No longer is the PC getting games that look completely different than they do on consoles as the rendering technology was vastly ahead, no longer is PC getting AAA level exclusives left and right, no longer is PC really pushing the boundaries of game engines and technology.

The reality is that PC's and consoles are so close in rendering features that PC has simply become a glorified upgradable console in terms of gaming.

Can we also agree that most games on console are garbage? That is my opinion and therefore it must be fact right?

If you are trying to argue that most games are not garbage then you are simply being silly. :)

Mmmmmm no, consoles get a lot of games, they have never received the majority of games. That title would probably go to mobile, then PC. But it has never been console.

Say what you will but if you want to play a numbers game against PC consoles lose on just about every metric.

Yes you are. First off it's more like 20-30k. Second the whole idea of what a "good" game is and not is subjective. Lots of games you may not care for because they aren't your style of game appeal to plenty others. Therefore simply having the largest lineup will also, simply by numbers, give you the best lineup.

You've tried to put the focus on games nobody gives a shit about to win your argument. Nobody cares about bad games. Nobody cares about the shit games on the Xbox One, PS4, or WiiU/Switch either. Why? Cause they are shit games nobody cares about. So your argument is entirely pointless. You're too thick to understand that and have doubled down on it.

You are either too stupid to see basic logic or just trolling.

Since the inception of the Xbox 360 I have no qualms or doubts in my assertion that consoles have gotten 95% of games that are worthwhile on PC.

4K 60 fps, Project Cars 2.

http://gamingbolt.com/xbox-scorpio-has-enough-power-in-principle-to-deliver-4k60fps-madness-engine-is-highly-scaleable-project-cars-2-dev

Xbox Scorpio Has Enough Power In Principle To Deliver 4K/60fps, Madness Engine Is Highly Scaleable – Project CARS 2 Dev

Hardly, just pointing out your subjective bias. it's easy enough to show that PC has the most highest rated games of all platforms.

But just waving you d*ck around and saying "no they are all garbage" is also just a garbage answer to a valid point made by Wasdie. PC has more games than console, gets' more than consoles, gets more higher rated games than consoles. And yeah, I'll bet you could number them in the 1000's.

You may not, but I certainly would say so. I would wager it's probably closer to 75% - 80%. Seeing as how console misses out on a couple of entire genres' you know.

while it's true that you can't get the rts and most mmo games on the consoles, pretty much every mainstream games comes to the console , not to mention there are noteworthy exclusives that never come to the pc, games like red dead redemption. Then you have games like gta than come years later on the pc and the system exclusives like horizon zero dawn.

What's the pc counter offer here, games like dayz? In the end , it's all about performance and you will pay through the nose for it, that's why I also think a system like the scorpio is going to take a bite out of the pc market.

But it's not sure at all, if all depends how performance will be, if they're going to push image quality and lack in the performance department, the scorpio, just like the ps4 pro isn't going to be very successfull.

I'm not being hostile. I'm just calling out a terrible argument and your attempts to move the goalpost.

Consoles do get plenty of games these days, and since a majority is 51%, they get probably slightly under a majority (you underestimate just how many PC games come out each month). They get most AAA games because most AAA games are multiplatforms. I'm not arguing that. B level games is where it starts to change quite a bit. Indie games are hit and miss, but the vast majority of indie games never see a console release. The good ones eventually do. Maybe over the life of a console it may receive slightly north of 50% of the games that were released during its lifetime, but those games go both ways. Plenty of console exclusives, if they are worth it, get ported to the PC to make some extra cash for the developer and publishers. Good games get ported to as many platforms as possible because it's worth it.

PC gaming hasn't fallen at all. The industry has changed, but the PC is still the clear winner in terms of every single facet of gaming possible. Easy of use is not a facet of gaming, and even then, anybody can build or buy a gaming PC and run games like it's nothing. Consoles have become far more PC like with mandatory installs and tons of patches. You also get the privilege of spending $60 a year just to play online. So don't tell me PC gaming has somehow become console-like as the consoles have adopted arguably the most annoying parts of PC gaming in the internet age all while still charging your butt for the privilege to play them.

So you're just wrong. All together wrong. You're going to keep being wrong if you keep up this idiotic line of reasoning.

PC would counter with your first sentence. Those great genre's that consoles have never received obviously?

"in principle". Those things were said about the X1 delivering 1080p.

Whatever the number actually is, let's just split the difference and say it's 86%, even that still is a ridiculous margin, so much so that it can make people not only question the redundancy but act on it and not buy a PC.

It's a large enough figure that if you skipped out on a PC and went with a console, you would be missing out on some things, but it wouldn't be so egregious that you would actually ever think about it.

Actually a game can be objectively bad. Are we going to pretend that is not true? With Steam perpetually pumping out more garbage than people can keep up with you are trying argue that these trash games that are broken and sometimes unplayable are objectively good. Don't be silly.

Since nobody cares about bad games as you have clearly stated, then the 20-30K which is made up of mostly bad games are irrelevant and useless, making your initial point rather mute. Thank you for agreeing with me in the end.

They really need to get revise this guideline "... personal attacks against other members, sexism, racism, slurs or similar statements. Ad hominem and other distracting attacks do not add anything to the conversation." :)

You're still trying to make that into an argument. It's not an argument. The PC still has more quality games than the consoles. Nobody forces you to buy anything.

You know what the consoles force you to buy? Their online subscriptions to play them online. Oh and force you to install everything today because that makes sense for a console.

I can engage anything you have to say but frankly I don't want to, you're being so unreasonable and so absolute in everything you're saying that it's truly not even worth the effort.

I honestly think if you skipped out on any system and only ever bought 1 there would be plenty to keep yourself occupied for a generation. Whatever floats your boat you know.

You could certainly skip consoles and get more great games on PC than the other way around though.

People that don't like playing with mouse and keyboard won't like these games, apart from some exceptions then, not to mention there's a lot of people that won't like these games either way, hence the concept mainstream games.

Strange that you say that calling out PC gaming for having immense amount of garbage is waving my dick around. Actually the use of that term best fits the argument that I was countering. It would be wise to use your analogies sensibly in the future. I would hate for you to not make much sense when you are trying really hard to make a point. None of this addresses the reality that most of the games are garbage and since as your fellow irate moderator pointed out earlier, people don't care about bad games. If you don't care about bad games then that ludicrous number that is made up of bad games is mute.

X1 has delivered 720p/900p/1080p games and it's inferior to PS4 for most cases.

Your argument is literally "there are some bad games on the PC, but ignore the fact that the volume of good games is far higher than the console I'm currently shilling for".

You got nothing and have been trying to distract from that reality for quite some time now.

You can't engage with anything I say because you don't have an argument so you're blaming me for being unreasonable. That's what it came down too.

Yeah that wasn't your argument though was it.

Sure just define mainstream games for me, pretty sure that a RTS's have been mainstream since Dune 2 and C&C some +20 years ago.

"Second the whole idea of what a "good" game is and not is subjective."

You are factually not force to buy online subs. That is a fact. As far as being force to install everything, well point me to a PC game that does not require installation. I guess PC gaming is also terrible because it forces you to install games and also forces you to have internet in order to play games.

Let's not forget that a lot of these games are considered 'good' because they run on a potato

What's hilarious is all of the Xbox defenders argument's are literally that the Scorpio is going to most likely play Battlefront 2 at 4k/60 while a large chunk of PCs can't. That somehow invalidates owning a PC and will even somehow turn people to ditch the massive library and capabilities of the PC to pay $60 a year to play games worse than PCs they can build.

That's gotta be one of the stupidest arguments I've ever seen. Furthermore they are ok with ignoring the literally thousands of great games on the PC to somehow build up that the Xbox One has this great lineup worthy of basically ditching the PC over while ignoring that most of the Xbox One "exclusives" are on the PC now and most of the major franchises will also be on the PC.

What followed was a lot of goalpost moving and desperate attempts to justify their shilling.

How is that an argument? Can I play FTL on a console? No. Who cares about the required specifications.

Hell I can play FTL on my tablet. Can't play it on my PS4 Pro or Xbox One.

meh, I'm sure it'll look better than the vanilla XB1 version and I thought the last Battlefront game looked pretty good regardless, so I'm optimistic of what they'll achieve, I'm mostly holding my breath to see that Battlefront 2 is a well designed game overall

So you don't buy the sub and now are forced into a much smaller library of titles and paying $60 for a game you can only play about 1/5th of the total content. So you've just made your library even worse. You're doing such a great job of proving the consoles have this vast library worth playing with statements like that.

I never said installing games on the PC was a good part about it. That was always one major advantage of the consoles that they stripped away last gen. Real bummer there. I brought it up because you, or somebody here, was saying how PCs have become more console-like. Which makes absolutely no sense. Consoles adapted x86 hardware. Hell the Xbox One runs Windows. They've also adapted the installations and updates PC games have been getting for years. Meanwhile the PC is still pretty much the same it's been since the introduction of digital distribution, something the consoles were late to adapt too as well.

no but let's face it , it wouldn't sell very well on the consoles either.

Not sure what that has to do with the arguments at hand but ok.

Why would you say that? FTL was great, like Castle Crashers was great. I would have thought it would sell pretty well for an indie.

No, the argument is not there are SOME bad games on PC but there are A LOT. There are more bad games on PC than games on all the current consoles COMBINED.

The root of your initial argument is that its idiotic for anyone to argue getting a Scorpio over upgrading their PC because PC has 10K+ games. But when I call you out on most of those games being garbage you resorted to personal attacks because your argument was more an emotional reaction than a reasonable one.

In the end it boils down to personal taste. Whether it be hardware or software. The number of software available is irrelevant if those personal tastes are not met.

Given the volume of games on PC, it probably has more good games than the consoles combined also.

Don't move the goalpost now. Your argument is that you are forced to buy subs. The fact is that you are not.

If I didn't make that point, why are you arguing with me about it?

The topic is about Scorpio vs PC.

What's your expectation with your topic? Another PC is better than Scorpio and sales? Well, you are not the only poster with GTX 1080 Ti. Your PC parts are similar to my PC parts selection, even to Samsung SSD and ASUS brand motherboard selections.

You haven't stated Scorpio hardware discussion is restricted.

Is it another speculative thread?

What would it be?

Probably. :)