Shadow Of The Digusting FLOP!

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#152  Edited By ReCloud
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@realgirl said:
@blackhairedhero said:

@realgirl: Ok.. and it's a remake. By SW rules it counts.

Ratchet and Clank and Shadow of Colossus count as PS4 exclusives.

TLoU and GoW3 do not.

It's not a remake, they didn't remake the game, they took the existing game and engine, stripped some things away from it and added others.

Building something off of the original code is not remaking it, they applied a new sound and graphics engine to the existing logic engine.

Resident Evil 2 is a remake, this is a high level remaster.

So, Spyro Reignited trilogy and Crash N sane trilogy don't count as remakes? lol, dat reach.

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#153 Kali-B1rd
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How the hell did they manage to wreck something on the 3rd installment so badly!?

lol

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#154  Edited By texasgoldrush
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Can we just admit that game critics suck?

Remember Wolfenstien New Colossus was rated highly by critics and panned by players.

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#156 Blackhairedhero
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@realgirl: Yes they are. A remake is any game that uses modern assets.

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#159 VFighter
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@realgirl: Who's clueless alt are you? Oh and the Spyro (and Crash) are REMAKES.

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#161 Telekill
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Glad this was already a Black Friday game for me. I'm not buying this at full price. Not after the crap story telling of the last game.

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#162 koko-goal
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@vfighter said:

@realgirl: Who's clueless alt are you? Oh and the Spyro (and Crash) are REMAKES.

Dynamitecop, maybe!

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#163 ReCloud
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@realgirl: they dont use the source engine code. Crash used nothing from the original code.

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#164  Edited By hrt_rulz01
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It's one review ffs... most reviews are positive. It got more than Spiderman on IGN (I'm sure Sony fannies would love that).

I'll definitely be getting it. Can't wait!

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#166 QuadKnight
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@realgirl said:
@recloud said:

@realgirl: they dont use the source engine code. Crash used nothing from the original code.

They used the original 3D wire meshes to build the game world, characters, assets, prop locations etc.

Give it up NyaDC, you’re getting destroyed in this thread ?

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#167 xhawk27
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I trust IGN over this trash site anyday of the week. ?

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#168 superbuuman
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@ellos said:

The review is quite harsh. This dude went straight to TR Reboots weakest part. Combat gameplay encounters have been shitty on all the games. The focus on stealth more now that Lara is a predator might not have been a good move. It did not look good. This dude probably watched ND Target polished demo of TLOUS 2 and expected that. Unfair to TR as every thing else looks improved.

I think Edmond (reviewer) is probably disappointed..that after so long..the gameplay mechanics hasn't change or improved ...probably why it he scored it low. Seems like they didn't do enough to improve the old mechanics..& the new mechanics doesn't work properly...at least that what I got from reading his review. :P Still gonna get it..just to complete the 3..lol.. xD

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#169 texasgoldrush
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@hrt_rulz01 said:

It's one review ffs... most reviews are positive. It got more than Spiderman on IGN (I'm sure Sony fannies would love that).

I'll definitely be getting it. Can't wait!

Really, the biggest complaint is that its not innovative enough (which is hypocritical of games journalists) and that Lara's character journey is underwhelming (which has been a problem the entire series, every incarnation).

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#170 WhatAFailure
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Fanboys in the review comments are saying the GS reviewer only gave it a low score as a clickbait tactic, but reviewers all over are also giving this 6-7s. Sounds like a disappointing conclusion and we're going to need another reboot.

Personally, I could already see problems in Rise of the Tomb Raider. It's still good, but it started getting bloated, the story was unfocused, and looks like they were trying to copy AC and Arkham with the sheer amount of collectibles.

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#171  Edited By superbuuman
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@uninspiredcup said:

On another note, the Telegraph complains about WHITE PEOPLE SAVIOUR! AHHHH

Jonah, Lara’s Polynesian friend and adventuring partner from the previous two games, exists here seemingly solely to assuage her white guilt. His only real contribution to Shadow of the Tomb Raider’s plot is to tell Lara that it’s fine when she steals prized cultural artifacts or kills thousands of innocent people, reminding her that her heart is in the right place.

Almost every other character in the game, too, interacts with Lara by parading in front of her justifying her actions. There are precisely two white people in the game, including Lara herself, which means dozens of people of colour seem to exist solely to make Lara feel better about herself. It is farcical.

Dumb..& if those coloured characters aren't there...they'd be complaining why only all white characters. No Lara is coloured in this game...she can turn brown, can cover herself in mud. :P

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#172  Edited By xhawk27
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@superbuuman said:
@ellos said:

The review is quite harsh. This dude went straight to TR Reboots weakest part. Combat gameplay encounters have been shitty on all the games. The focus on stealth more now that Lara is a predator might not have been a good move. It did not look good. This dude probably watched ND Target polished demo of TLOUS 2 and expected that. Unfair to TR as every thing else looks improved.

I think Edmond (reviewer) is probably disappointed..that after so long..the gameplay mechanics hasn't change or improved ...probably why it he scored it low. Seems like they didn't do enough to improve the old mechanics..& the new mechanics doesn't work properly...at least that what I got from reading his review. :P Still gonna get it..just to complete the 3..lol.. xD

Uncharted games never change and yet they get high scores. ?

and the combat in Uncharted games is terrible.

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#173 superbuuman
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@xhawk27 said:
@superbuuman said:
@ellos said:

The review is quite harsh. This dude went straight to TR Reboots weakest part. Combat gameplay encounters have been shitty on all the games. The focus on stealth more now that Lara is a predator might not have been a good move. It did not look good. This dude probably watched ND Target polished demo of TLOUS 2 and expected that. Unfair to TR as every thing else looks improved.

I think Edmond (reviewer) is probably disappointed..that after so long..the gameplay mechanics hasn't change or improved ...probably why it he scored it low. Seems like they didn't do enough to improve the old mechanics..& the new mechanics doesn't work properly...at least that what I got from reading his review. :P Still gonna get it..just to complete the 3..lol.. xD

Uncharted games never change and yet they get high scores. ?

Did this reviewer review Uncharted?...

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#174 with_teeth26
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the $120 version of this game is the #1 global seller on Steam right now.

what the hell is wrong with people

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#175 ReCloud
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@with_teeth26: i thought Pc gamers didnt like movie games

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#176  Edited By Blackhairedhero
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@realgirl: Ok... nobody agrees with you. And it's not SW rules.

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#177 lundy86_4
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@recloud: Do you take SW as the be-all-end-all?

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#178 with_teeth26
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@recloud said:

@with_teeth26: i thought Pc gamers didnt like movie games

not even that, its the overpriced version.

cmon PC gamers, you should know better

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#179  Edited By ReCloud
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@realgirl: https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017/06/a-remaster-with-no-old-code-crash-bandicoot-was-rebuilt-nearly-from-scratch

" Thankfully for Vicarious, the team did uncover a crucial data set: all three games' 3D meshes, provided by both Sony and Naughty Dog as a series of hard drives. ("They were compressed in some wacky format that we had to decode," Tanguay pointed out.) Meshes don't make an entire game, of course—far from it. Data on the original games' animations, characters, artificial intelligence, control timing, textures, and even a lot of the music was gone (though Tanguay confirms some musical data was recovered to help the team lock into songs' timing and MIDI instrumentation layers).

All the meshes did was help the team nail the architecture and scale of the worlds Crash would run, jump, spin, and repeatedly die in."

Guess what? Youre wrong.

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#180 ReCloud
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@with_teeth26: i agree, im waiting for the cheap complete Edition.

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#183 deactivated-60bf765068a74
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let me guess microsoft has the marketing deal for this garbage game again?

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#184  Edited By lundy86_4
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@ProtossRushX said:

let me guess microsoft has the marketing deal for this garbage game again?

That would be irrelevant to the quality of the game, you fucking moron. Stop being so goddamn stupid.

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#186 That_Old_Guy
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@realgirl: mechanics are kind of important in...well 99.9% of games.

Didn’t want you to post the obscure exception to the rule.

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#187 ReCloud
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@realgirl: no, Read this:

"All the meshes did was help the team nail the architecture and scale of the worlds"

And This is what you Said:

"build the game world, characters, assets, prop locations"

You are wrong AGAIN, the meshes didnt Help with assets, characters, animations...

Lol owned.

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#188 lundy86_4
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@realgirl said:

I'd say it's relevant to it getting a 6, that seems to be a GameSpot trend with Microsoft aligned games.

It's reviewing averagely across the board. Significantly lower than the predecessors. Please remove your bias.

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#190  Edited By That_Old_Guy
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In other news: It’s pretty pathetic that people want a game to flop or are happy about it flopping just because it’s not their type of game.

Gaming has all sorts of games for every type of gamer today...it’s never been better.

To want something to not be good that many others enjoy because it’s not something you consider hardcore, which is pathetic itself and I picture socially awkward dweebs saying this, is why gamers still have a bad reputation in many eyes.

Olympics don’t want us there not because of violence itself but because they don’t think we’re mature enough to handle it...which may lead to violence.

God some of you people are a waste.

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#191 lundy86_4
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@realgirl said:

It's got an 83/100, the previous game was an 86/100. You're trippin dude.

Where? MC has it as a 77. Are you mistaking it with RotTR?

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#192 ellos
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@superbuuman said:
@xhawk27 said:
@superbuuman said:
@ellos said:

The review is quite harsh. This dude went straight to TR Reboots weakest part. Combat gameplay encounters have been shitty on all the games. The focus on stealth more now that Lara is a predator might not have been a good move. It did not look good. This dude probably watched ND Target polished demo of TLOUS 2 and expected that. Unfair to TR as every thing else looks improved.

I think Edmond (reviewer) is probably disappointed..that after so long..the gameplay mechanics hasn't change or improved ...probably why it he scored it low. Seems like they didn't do enough to improve the old mechanics..& the new mechanics doesn't work properly...at least that what I got from reading his review. :P Still gonna get it..just to complete the 3..lol.. xD

Uncharted games never change and yet they get high scores. ?

Did this reviewer review Uncharted?...

I will pick up my reply from here as it is related to Uncharted. My point is its not consistence with what they have been doing. They have been letting the strengths of these games carry the score, not there weaknesses. TR strength is exploration its probably the best when it comes to these games. A 6 focusing on its weakest part is a bit harsh and a change noted by the TC.

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#194  Edited By Alucard_Prime
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Fantastic..... I'm even more excited for the game now. It's one of the few action adventure series I enjoy because you are not obligated to play it stealth, and skimming through the review, the guy might as well be talking about Rise of The Tomb Raider, a game I greatly enjoyed overall.

I thought the platforming was great in Rise so unless they tried something different here and messed it up, that is the only thing that bothered me. Otherwise, the majority of the scores are good and I knew that because of the simpler revenge story, the darker grittier tone of the game this was going to irk some of the reviewers, happens every time....that and the fact it is more of the same, which is fine by me because I just recently finished Rise and I really enjoyed it.

Also I disagree with the Eidos Montreal thing, they developed Deus Ex rev. if I am not mistaken and I loved that game, another one where I could play it as I wanted and not be bothered to go stealth all the time.

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#195  Edited By ellos
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@lundy86_4 said:
@realgirl said:

It's got an 83/100, the previous game was an 86/100. You're trippin dude.

Where? MC has it as a 77. Are you mistaking it with RotTR?

That's the ps4 version because teh ps4 reviewers like cowspot are knocking it down. They have received orders from master Sony to tank the game. #PayBackForExclusivity

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#196 lundy86_4
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@realgirl said:

Oh shit, I guess X1 is that high. PS4 and PC are rated lower,. I'm not sure if that's a benefit or a loss...

If you'd like to solely take X1 reviews into account, then that's cool. There's no denying that it's reviewing lower across the board, like I originally stated. It's barely holding an 80 average, and we've multiple sources to pull in. It's not going to review as high.

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#197 lundy86_4
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@ellos said:

That's the ps4 version because teh ps4 reviewers like cowspot are knocking it down. They have received orders from master Sony to tank the game. #PayBackForExclusivity

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#198 lamprey263  Online
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Still getting it, reviews have me excited. Many say gameplay much same as last couple games largely, good enough for me. Criticisms of story though, frankly, this was an issue with RotTR too, it got a free pass there for some reason, the 2013 reboot had a much better story, maybe this one could have had a better story had reviewers called them out for it with RotTR.

Anyhow, considering all the "industry insiders" on SonyGAF issued an eternal grudge fatwa against Crystal Dynamics for RotTR's timed XB1 console exclusity, it currently carrying an 83 on Metacritic seems like a strong endorsement considering the industry wide prejudicial handicap it has working against it.

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#199 Blackhairedhero
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@realgirl: The reality is they are remakes and they count.