Shogun 2: Total War [ULTIMATE HYPE THREAD][PCG 92, GI 95, EDGE 9, Euro 9, SG 93]

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[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]

i see total war series as the new dynasty warriors, i'm sort of sick of them to be honest.

savagetwinkie

new Dynasty Warriors? Is this a joke? The two series are nothign alike what so ever.
Total War is one of hte most original and epic series ever. There is NOTHING like it on consoles.

I have owned every single Total War game over the years and they are not the same thing over and over, they are each very unique games in there own right. One of best series ever imo, although nto for everyone just like ARMA2.. as they can have a hard learning curve for the casual gamers.

As a vet of the series non of what you just wrote is true at all.

Nice try at trolling though, I give teh attempt a 2/10.

Each Total War game is unique, if you played all the older ones in the series and the newer ones you would relize this.

This series is not for everyone, but to act like its the same thing over and over is one of the most rsilly things ive seen on system wars.

Fresh and unique each game in the series is.. not Exhausted Experience as you said. I wonder if you have even played more then one or two of these games even.

I can go back and play Shogun1 or Medievel1 and they have stuff in those games that they dont in the new ones that make the gameplay and experience alot differnt. Its not just more stuff added to the new games as you said, its not about adding as many new thigns as possible, its about doing what it needed for the time that they are making the game in unique to that time frame.

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]

[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

new Dynasty Warriors? Is this a joke? The two series are nothign alike what so ever.
Total War is one of hte most original and epic series ever. There is NOTHING like it on consoles.

I have owned every single Total War game over the years and they are not the same thing over and over, they are each very unique games in there own right. One of best series ever imo, although nto for everyone just like ARMA2.. as they can have a hard learning curve for the casual gamers.

kozzy1234

As a vet of the series non of what you just wrote is true at all.

Nice try at trolling though, I give teh attempt a 2/10.

Each Total War game is unique, if you played all the older ones in the series and the newer ones you would relize this.

This series is not for everyone, but to act like its the same thing over and over is one of the most rsilly things ive seen on system wars.

Fresh and unique each game in the series is.. not Exhausted Experience as you said. I wonder if you have even played more then one or two of these games even.

kozzy you and i rarely see eye to eye on things but

this is for you man..

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]

[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

new Dynasty Warriors? Is this a joke? The two series are nothign alike what so ever.
Total War is one of hte most original and epic series ever. There is NOTHING like it on consoles.

I have owned every single Total War game over the years and they are not the same thing over and over, they are each very unique games in there own right. One of best series ever imo, although nto for everyone just like ARMA2.. as they can have a hard learning curve for the casual gamers.

kozzy1234

As a vet of the series non of what you just wrote is true at all.

Nice try at trolling though, I give teh attempt a 2/10.

Each Total War game is unique, if you played all the older ones in the series and the newer ones you would relize this.

This series is not for everyone, but to act like its the same thing over and over is one of the most rsilly things ive seen on system wars.

Fresh and unique each game in the series is.. not Exhausted Experience as you said. I wonder if you have even played more then one or two of these games even.

I can go back and play Shogun1 or Medievel1 and they have stuff in those games that they dont in the new ones that make the gameplay and experience alot differnt. Its not just more stuff added to the new games as you said, its not about adding as many new thigns as possible, its about doing what it needed for the time that they are making the game in unique to that time frame.

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[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] they are all very similar, the core gameplay has been tweaked here and there with additions as you get further along the series but at the end of the day they bring the same experience over and over again, great for people who love it but its still a fairly exhausted experience and I don't see shogun 2 really changing that

savagetwinkie

As a vet of the series non of what you just wrote is true at all.

Nice try at trolling though, I give teh attempt a 2/10.

Each Total War game is unique, if you played all the older ones in the series and the newer ones you would relize this.

This series is not for everyone, but to act like its the same thing over and over is one of the most rsilly things ive seen on system wars.

Fresh and unique each game in the series is.. not Exhausted Experience as you said. I wonder if you have even played more then one or two of these games even.

I can go back and play Shogun1 or Medievel1 and they have stuff in those games that they dont in the new ones that make the gameplay and experience alot differnt. Its not just more stuff added to the new games as you said, its not about adding as many new thigns as possible, its about doing what it needed for the time that they are making the game in unique to that time frame.

What you call routine, I call a masterful blend between strategy and tactical gameplay.
I love that they're taking Total War back to its roots, I bought the original Shogun Total War and played it for a long time, but I never really liked any of the other Total War games. But finally! :)

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]

[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

As a vet of the series non of what you just wrote is true at all.

Nice try at trolling though, I give teh attempt a 2/10.

Each Total War game is unique, if you played all the older ones in the series and the newer ones you would relize this.

This series is not for everyone, but to act like its the same thing over and over is one of the most rsilly things ive seen on system wars.

Fresh and unique each game in the series is.. not Exhausted Experience as you said. I wonder if you have even played more then one or two of these games even.

I can go back and play Shogun1 or Medievel1 and they have stuff in those games that they dont in the new ones that make the gameplay and experience alot differnt. Its not just more stuff added to the new games as you said, its not about adding as many new thigns as possible, its about doing what it needed for the time that they are making the game in unique to that time frame.

yellonet

[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] they are all very similar, the core gameplay has been tweaked here and there with additions as you get further along the series but at the end of the day they bring the same experience over and over again, great for people who love it but its still a fairly exhausted experience and I don't see shogun 2 really changing that

As a vet of the series non of what you just wrote is true at all.

Nice try at trolling though, I give teh attempt a 2/10.

Each Total War game is unique, if you played all the older ones in the series and the newer ones you would relize this.

This series is not for everyone, but to act like its the same thing over and over is one of the most rsilly things ive seen on system wars.

Fresh and unique each game in the series is.. not Exhausted Experience as you said. I wonder if you have even played more then one or two of these games even.

I can go back and play Shogun1 or Medievel1 and they have stuff in those games that they dont in the new ones that make the gameplay and experience alot differnt. Its not just more stuff added to the new games as you said, its not about adding as many new thigns as possible, its about doing what it needed for the time that they are making the game in unique to that time frame.

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[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] in setting they are unique, but the gameplay across all the games doesn't change, theres no story, the only thing that is unique is the setting so once you get past the setting the core of it remains similar, fairly routine gameplay, you can cover your ears all you want and call me a troll but guess what, its a similar experience across the board with gameplay, i don't see how thats hard to really understand, the idea behind the campaign is always identicle, start with a faction, expand expand expand, the battles are pretty similar, is all routine, when i get shogun 2, i'll start a campaign, i'll bet i'll pick a faction, and start expanding said faction just because thats what i'm supposed to do, and i'll be bring in sorted troops of melee, ranged, cavalry... routine

savagetwinkie

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[QUOTE="yellonet"]Well, there's no story, except for hi-story :|
And if you're going to be that unspecific about what you call "routine" and "exhausted experience" I'm sure that you must pretty tired of all games.
You know, you start the game, push a bunch of buttons, watch some graphics... routine.

blue_hazy_basic

i dont think he has.. i got shogun total war i assure you that based on my demo of napolean total war at work the two arent related very much.. its mainly by name (we have the full game playing on a display)

[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

As a vet of the series non of what you just wrote is true at all.

Nice try at trolling though, I give teh attempt a 2/10.

Each Total War game is unique, if you played all the older ones in the series and the newer ones you would relize this.

This series is not for everyone, but to act like its the same thing over and over is one of the most rsilly things ive seen on system wars.

Fresh and unique each game in the series is.. not Exhausted Experience as you said. I wonder if you have even played more then one or two of these games even.

I can go back and play Shogun1 or Medievel1 and they have stuff in those games that they dont in the new ones that make the gameplay and experience alot differnt. Its not just more stuff added to the new games as you said, its not about adding as many new thigns as possible, its about doing what it needed for the time that they are making the game in unique to that time frame.

I know its tough, but can any guess which one is which? You're right, nothing's changed!

I know its tough, but can any guess which one is which? You're right, nothing's changed!

blue_hazy_basic

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I know its tough, but can any guess which one is which? You're right, nothing's changed!

savagetwinkie

The gameplay gets changes with each game in the series, as its a differnt time frame/setting,etc...

I would love for you to play all the Total War games in a row right now until Shogun2 comes out. Youd probably be pretyt impressed with the actual difference between each game in this series. Not just frmo a graphical aspect, but gameplay aswell.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]

I know its tough, but can any guess which one is which? You're right, nothing's changed!

, its a similar experience across the board with gameplay,savagetwinkie

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]

I know its tough, but can any guess which one is which? You're right, nothing's changed!

blue_hazy_basic

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]

I know its tough, but can any guess which one is which? You're right, nothing's changed!

kozzy1234

The gameplay gets changes with each game in the series, as its a differnt time frame/setting,etc...

I would love for you to play all the Total War games in a row right now until Shogun2 comes out. Youd probably be pretyt impressed with the actual difference between each game in this series. Not just frmo a graphical aspect, but gameplay aswell.

why are you guys so butthurt since i've lost interest in the game since the seiries is kind of seeing a lot of releases all built on the exact same fundamentals it wouldn't hurt the company to try somethine a bit more refreshing, they're take on strategy was pretty refreshing years ago when it really was unique but I'd like to see if they can come up with another formula eventually.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] its all graphics, appearances, thats not what i've been talking about at all try again

savagetwinkie

why are you guys so butthurt since i've lost interest in the game since the seiries is kind of seeing a lot of releases all built on the exact same fundamentals it wouldn't hurt the company to try somethine a bit more refreshing, they're take on strategy was pretty refreshing years ago when it really was unique but I'd like to see if they can come up with another formula eventually.

savagetwinkie

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[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] No its not, if you had played them you'd know that. One plays like risk, the other has actual movement, choke points, ambushes, etc., it completely changes the game.blue_hazy_basic

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]

why are you guys so butthurt since i've lost interest in the game since the seiries is kind of seeing a lot of releases all built on the exact same fundamentals it wouldn't hurt the company to try somethine a bit more refreshing, they're take on strategy was pretty refreshing years ago when it really was unique but I'd like to see if they can come up with another formula eventually.

blue_hazy_basic

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] almost a good argument, except thats a formula they use for all the games...

savagetwinkie

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]Except its not, as you would know if you'd played them. Shogun and MTW1 campaign maps were completely different to the Rome and later games. You're attempt at bashing the game would have more substance if you researched it a bit better. Try playing them and come back and argue, it would really help.blue_hazy_basic

Its safe to say that Shogun2 Total War will be one of the best games this year. Hundreds of hours of replayability and it looks like the MP is getting a nice overhaul.

but it hasn't been dismantled, i mentioned the naval battles, you mentioned obsticals, between 6 games the series gives a similar expereiancesavagetwinkie

The bottomline is, you haven't played the games, so you have no reason to be disappointed. :P

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]but it hasn't been dismantled, i mentioned the naval battles, you mentioned obsticals, between 6 games the series gives a similar expereiancetagyhag

The bottomline is, you haven't played the games, so you have no reason to be disappointed. :P

GS will give the game 8.5 or a 9. If they added GTA to the title it would get 10

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[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] different maps don't constitute a different gameplay, so with your logic shogun total war could have been a completely different gameplay by adding a mountain you have to walk around? It adds a bit of strategy to the world map but its still pretty similar to how the world map works, so what did the next 4 games add on top of that then?savagetwinkie

With that logic one would only want one game of each genre, one platformer, one FPS, one racing game and so on; "Well, you know I already have a game where you drive a car on a racetrack, been there done that".

I loved Shogun back then because of the strategic level mixed with tactical battles, and that's why I'll buy Shogun 2, if they had changed the game completely I wouldn't want it.
Sure, if I'd played a few Total War games and for some unknown reason expected them to be completely different from each other I guess I would have been disappointed too. But for us who really like these kinds of games, there's no need for complete overhauls or big changes as that might take us away from what we love about these games, gradual improvements of the core gameplay and increasingly complex management and deepening strategy is all I need.
Creative Assembly have found their niche and are sticking to it, and for that I'm glad!

but i have played all the games except the last two.. if you don't like my opinion its not my problem, I'm not the biggest strategy fan, I don't into the details and thats where 90% of this games game play has changed, unfortunately if you don't dig in this series the experience is fairly similar, but you can say that about any game thats on its 7th release. the truth is the game has been taking small steps with every release, its always had the same foundation, and it pretty much plays the same way every time + additions and tweaks, so the way I look at it, I can do the same thing i've been doing in the entire total war series in a slightly different way with each game, and that pretty much holds true.savagetwinkie

It's an opinion but it's wrong. :P It would be like calling Halo a racer, it's an opinion, but it's certainly not right.

Going from RISK to actual movement is a HUGE difference, with each game brings a different metagame, more features etc. Yes the core gameplay (At its very core ((turn base strategy/real time combat)) ) is the same, but they always always add new features and improvements even to the core gameplay.

It is an absolute fallacy to compare Total War games to DW, and this is from someone that has played DW 2-6.

I'm replaying Rome: Total War. It still amazes me. :o

I'm replaying Rome: Total War. It still amazes me. :o

I'm replaying Rome: Total War. It still amazes me. :o

RyuRanVII

i hope they release a demo, i want to see how brutally it devastates my computer :)

Looks AAA to me. I really want this, but my computer barely passes for minimum specs. :(

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RyuRanVII

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AA. I personally think all Total War games lack replay value. It has great fighting mechanism, but the entire game gets boring pretty fast.

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RyuRanVII

AA. I personally think all Total War games lack replay value. It has great fighting mechanism, but the entire game gets boring pretty fast.

Mr_BillGates

how does this game differ in the rome games. they seem similar

I would love to get into the Total War games.. but i just can't. I still have Rome right here on my desk.. , and its just something about that gigantic army.. the camera.. after a wile it doesn't seem entertaining.. but frustrating. I love 95% of any games out there, but i think i just prefer standard RTS games..

how does this game differ in the rome games. they seem similar

HaloReachGOTY

PC Gamer UK:92 Editor's Choice

We've played and reviewed Shogun 2 and awarded the game a score of 92 and an Editor's Choice award. The review appears in the latest issue of PC Gamer UK, on-sale February 16.

Why did it get that score and the Editor's Choice award? Try improved AI that attacks from the sea and uses terrain to its advantage, an online clan system with excellent matchmaking that encourages teamworks between allies, and the artful realisation of the Sengoku period. We say that "Shogun 2 is the Total War series back on form," and that it "boasts the most outrageous hats in martial history".

If you can't wait to read the review until then, check out the latest Total War: Shogun 2 trailer, and our preview of the game's revamped multiplayer mode. The game's available to pre-order now. Check out the system requirements to see how well it'll run on your PC. Subscribe to PC Gamer UK here.

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] but i have played all the games except the last two.. if you don't like my opinion its not my problem, I'm not the biggest strategy fan, I don't into the details and thats where 90% of this games game play has changed, unfortunately if you don't dig in this series the experience is fairly similar, but you can say that about any game thats on its 7th release. the truth is the game has been taking small steps with every release, its always had the same foundation, and it pretty much plays the same way every time + additions and tweaks, so the way I look at it, I can do the same thing i've been doing in the entire total war series in a slightly different way with each game, and that pretty much holds true.tagyhag

It's an opinion but it's wrong. :P It would be like calling Halo a racer, it's an opinion, but it's certainly not right.

Going from RISK to actual movement is a HUGE difference, with each game brings a different metagame, more features etc. Yes the core gameplay (At its very core ((turn base strategy/real time combat)) ) is the same, but they always always add new features and improvements even to the core gameplay.

It is an absolute fallacy to compare Total War games to DW, and this is from someone that has played DW 2-6.