Shogun 2: Total War [ULTIMATE HYPE THREAD][PCG 92, GI 95, EDGE 9, Euro 9, SG 93]

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#151 tagyhag
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AA is confirmed off for the demo only. The full game will have ingame AA.

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Ahh thanks that explains it.

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#152 HoolaHoopMan
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I'm guessing 8.5. Why can't CA give me Rome Total War 2!!! It's still the best in the series.
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#153 110million
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I'm guessing 8.5. Why can't CA give me Rome Total War 2!!! It's still the best in the series. HoolaHoopMan
It'll probably come next.
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#154 Lonelynight
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AA, the A.I. will probably suck.(as usual)
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#155 MFDOOM1983
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[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

I do have one major gripe with the game. Performance is awful yet again. Empire TW had the same problem. I am getting 22fps on the campaign map and havent checked the battle map. Such a shame that CA can't seem to optimize its games properly. There is something really wrong with the engine. Im hoping the demo is just an early build and the optimization is much better in the final build. Im not holding my breath though.

Krayzie_3334

Something is wrong then, I have it Maxed (1920x1080) w/ everything enabled -AA as it was disabled in the demo.

I have a smooth framerate the campaign map is at a steady mid50s-60fps and battles I drop alittle into the 40s-50s, 60 if I stay up high.
I dropped once into the low 20s on the third manual battle but that was to be expected as allot was going on.

And you have a better Rig than I do. I'm running with an Q9550 @ 3.4 & GTX 570 stock.

Hmmm, I was getting some truly abysmal frame rates maxed out @ 1600x1050 with my phenom II x4 945 3.37 GHz and gtx 570. Low teens were not rare at the default(maxed) settings the game started me at.:(

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#156 RyuRanVII
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A couple of fun videos with some key members of The Creative Assemblytalking their way through each title in the Total War series in a small japanese Teahouse.

Heritage Part I:The Battles Fought and Won

Heritage Parte II: Building and Empire

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#157 lawlessx
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I must be a serious noob because the A.I is destroying me on EASY! :(
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#158 RyuRanVII
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Second Review is Out:

GamerInformer: 95

"Less truly is more when it comes to Total War. Shogun 2, with a smaller scale and tighter focus, boasts the best gameplay and design of any entry in the franchise. I can't imagine a realistic way that The Creative Assembly could have made a better case to win back fans put off by Empire.":D
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#159 Luxen90
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I'm not a big fan of RTS games, but I really enjoyed the demo. Most likely getting it later on at some point.
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#160 Puckhog04
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AAE. Don't think enough is really different to warrant a AAAE score.

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#161 lawlessx
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Second Review is Out:

GamerInformer: 95

"Less truly is more when it comes to Total War. Shogun 2, with a smaller scale and tighter focus, boasts the best gameplay and design of any entry in the franchise. I can't imagine a realistic way that The Creative Assembly could have made a better case to win back fans put off by Empire.":DRyuRanVII
great score..can't wait :)!
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#162 Wasdie  Moderator
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I'm getting pumped.

Empire was quite ambitious but they missed the little things that were great about the series. Shogun 2 looks so much better, like they have improved every aspect of the game.

I cannot wait.

Also did anybody notice the humor in the CGI movies they have during gameplay? CA never takes their game to seriously. It's great.

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#163 Mozelleple112
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9.5 on GameInformer? DAMN.

Voted AAAE on this beast!

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#164 True_Gamer_
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I'm not a big fan of RTS games, but I really enjoyed the demo. Most likely getting it later on at some point. Luxen90
Its not an RTS... Its a RTT/TBS hybrid. The differences to DUne2 clones are staggering...
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#165 Szminsky
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Day ONE for me :)

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#166 treedoor
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PC seems to suffer from the 8.5 curse as much as the Wii does.

I'm going to choose AA

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#167 deactivated-58b6232955e4a
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If it really is the best entry in the series like GI says it will probably get a 9.0. I got it for $40 on D2D, just waiting for the release.
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#168 skrat_01
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As long as the A.i challenges me without having exploits or statistics in its favour I will be pleased. Shall be popping down an Amazon order next week.
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#169 jedikevin2
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Thanks to D2d 20% off 3 weeks back, getting the game for $39.99. Already put in about 40 hrs on the Demo alone. Great gameplay, graphics are ridiculous(will more quality to come), and AI plays very well. As long as game is not buggy on release i'm leaning toward a 9/10 to 9.5/10 by most reviewers. Def love the castle attacks, general mini abilities etc... Should be a GREAT game.
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#170 PatchMaster
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The last few TW games have been AA and this one seems like a step up. Based on GS's preview impressions and the early reviews it looks like Shogun 2 should get AAA.

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#171 ShadowDeathX
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Woooooooooooo....Less then a A WEEK!!!!
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#172 Raymundo_Manuel
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I really need to beat all my older TW games :P I bought most of them in a Steam deal a year or so ago, but have only gotten around to playing a few hours of Rome Total War, but it was good.


This new one looks really good.

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#173 Fizzman
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I am so pumped for this game. I NEED IT TO BE TUESDAY!!!!!!!!

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#174 lawlessx
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finally preordered Shogun 2 at D2D for $43..now im all set :)
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#175 DreamCryotank
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AAA. :D If it's an improvement over Empire, then it won't be anything less then amazing.

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#176 millerlight89
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canceled my pre order due to the game being too consolized.

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#177 shakmaster13
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canceled my pre order due to the game being too consolized.

millerlight89
Is this a jab at certain other PC games releasing right now :P On topic, this game will probably get an AA at best. The AI was virtually non-existant in the demo as every scenario in it was heavily scripted. There are pathing problems in the demo, and lack of mod tools will strip this game down more than Napoleon: Total War. Why does SEGA have to be so greedy? People WILL make custom units despite the lack of mod tools, so I doubt they would be losing many sales by releasing them. Also, all Total War games have needed mods to fix what CA seems incapable of getting right in any of the previous games, including campaign AI. I'm honestly not holding my breath for this one, I'll just go play some Paradox games instead.
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#178 IPWNDU2
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Charlie Sheen is buying this day one.

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#179 Upparoom
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Charlie Sheen is buying this day one.

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He fully intends in playing as the Tokugawa so he can historically say he is winning.

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#181 RyuRanVII
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EDGE:9

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#182 XaosII
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canceled my pre order due to the game being too consolized.

millerlight89

I LOL'ed.

No, my sarcasm detector is just fine.

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#183 kozzy1234
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Cannot wait!!!!! 9/10 I bet it gets here on gamespot!

Had my copy preordered for awhile!@

Now I just gotta finished Dragon Age2 (which is WAY better then I expected it to be), before this comes out :P

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#184 DreamCryotank
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Gonna be one of the best games this gen, no doubt. With each iteration, the Total Wars series keeps improving, and this setting is my personal favorite. :)

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#185 True_Gamer_
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[QUOTE="millerlight89"]

canceled my pre order due to the game being too consolized.

shakmaster13
Is this a jab at certain other PC games releasing right now :P On topic, this game will probably get an AA at best. The AI was virtually non-existant in the demo as every scenario in it was heavily scripted. There are pathing problems in the demo, and lack of mod tools will strip this game down more than Napoleon: Total War. Why does SEGA have to be so greedy? People WILL make custom units despite the lack of mod tools, so I doubt they would be losing many sales by releasing them. Also, all Total War games have needed mods to fix what CA seems incapable of getting right in any of the previous games, including campaign AI. I'm honestly not holding my breath for this one, I'll just go play some Paradox games instead.

PLEASE READ CAREFULLY: ROME TOTAL WAR had NO mod tools given by CA. Vercigentorix a legiontotalwar member (now TWCenter) made the tools by HACKING the files. Medieval 2 buildings files were HACKED by the community. The rest was inherited from rome since it uses the same engine. I was a mod on legiontotalwar and my memory is quite strong.
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#186 MykoStation
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Impossible to top Medieval 2 but it will do its best.

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#187 BigBoss154
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Eurogamer gave it a...

[spoiler] 9 [/spoiler] 8)

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-03-11-total-war-shogun-2-review

"Those expecting revelatory improvements in areas like AI may be mildly disappointed by Shogun 2. Those after a sumptious, weekend-whittling strategy epic heaving with flavour and challenge can reach for their uchi-bukuro with confidence. This is a corker."

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#188 lawlessx
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Alot of 9s for this game...watch GS give it a 7
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#189 tenaka2
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8 or 8.5 here, GS have never been fans of Total War.

Fantastic company though, good to see nice games coming out of the EU.

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#190 shakmaster13
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[QUOTE="shakmaster13"][QUOTE="millerlight89"]

canceled my pre order due to the game being too consolized.

True_Gamer_
Is this a jab at certain other PC games releasing right now :P On topic, this game will probably get an AA at best. The AI was virtually non-existant in the demo as every scenario in it was heavily scripted. There are pathing problems in the demo, and lack of mod tools will strip this game down more than Napoleon: Total War. Why does SEGA have to be so greedy? People WILL make custom units despite the lack of mod tools, so I doubt they would be losing many sales by releasing them. Also, all Total War games have needed mods to fix what CA seems incapable of getting right in any of the previous games, including campaign AI. I'm honestly not holding my breath for this one, I'll just go play some Paradox games instead.

PLEASE READ CAREFULLY: ROME TOTAL WAR had NO mod tools given by CA. Vercigentorix a legiontotalwar member (now TWCenter) made the tools by HACKING the files. Medieval 2 buildings files were HACKED by the community. The rest was inherited from rome since it uses the same engine. I was a mod on legiontotalwar and my memory is quite strong.

I don't know about Rome, but I was under the assumption that Medieval 2 eventually had tools released as well as things like sound packs and the such, while Empire and Napoleon could only be modded through editing data tables.
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#191 shakmaster13
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Those expecting revelatory improvements in areas like AI may be mildly disappointed by Shogun 2.BigBoss154
That's really one of the only things they needed to improve :?
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#192 NeonNinja
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I played the first Shogun as a kid. Back then I tried to get into strategy games. The genre just isn't for me.

However, even I can tell quality when I see it, despite not being a fan of the genre. This is a AAA experience waiting to be unleashed. I say 9.0 on GameSpot. They won't score it the same as StarCraft II, but it'll be up there at least.

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#193 RyuRanVII
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Those expecting revelatory improvements in areas like AI may be mildly disappointed by Shogun 2.BigBoss154

Rock Paper Shotgun:

So then. That battle AI. At easy and normal I didn't find it to be any real challenge. Larger armies were easily convinced into entering my traps, and would blindly charge my forces entrenched on higher ground. Cavalry thought it was okay to run headlong into spearmen, and so on. On hard they are rather more cautious, and more likely to flank you effectively. Not that it always works – baiting with weaker units still means you can often draw off cavalry, although they will almost always avoid being drawn into a dangerous position versus missile units. Hard difficulty and higher on the battle AI seems to mean the enemy forces simply put on a more effective display, with missile units retreating to higher ground, and units selecting an appropriate target to attack – although I have yet to see them properly move behind other infantry for protection. I suspect the limited number of units is part of what makes the AI more consistent, but it is also the careful use of cavalry. The hard AI does seem comfortable the kind of harrying and attacking from the sidelines that these units need to undertake. Additionaly, you won't encounter too much in the way of artillery (although there are plenty of siege weapons and such), and although firearms are present, the game leans less on simulating them, and more on pushing you towards melee.

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#194 PAL360
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This game looks simply amazing! I wish my PC could run it.

BTW, AAA easly.

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#195 BigBoss154
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This game looks simply amazing! I wish my PC could run it.

BTW, AAA easly.

PAL360

My heart says AAA...

but my brain tells me AA. I have a feeling GS will take a cautious stance to this game.

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#196 True_Gamer_
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[QUOTE="shakmaster13"][QUOTE="True_Gamer_"][QUOTE="shakmaster13"] Is this a jab at certain other PC games releasing right now :P On topic, this game will probably get an AA at best. The AI was virtually non-existant in the demo as every scenario in it was heavily scripted. There are pathing problems in the demo, and lack of mod tools will strip this game down more than Napoleon: Total War. Why does SEGA have to be so greedy? People WILL make custom units despite the lack of mod tools, so I doubt they would be losing many sales by releasing them. Also, all Total War games have needed mods to fix what CA seems incapable of getting right in any of the previous games, including campaign AI. I'm honestly not holding my breath for this one, I'll just go play some Paradox games instead.

PLEASE READ CAREFULLY: ROME TOTAL WAR had NO mod tools given by CA. Vercigentorix a legiontotalwar member (now TWCenter) made the tools by HACKING the files. Medieval 2 buildings files were HACKED by the community. The rest was inherited from rome since it uses the same engine. I was a mod on legiontotalwar and my memory is quite strong.

I don't know about Rome, but I was under the assumption that Medieval 2 eventually had tools released as well as things like sound packs and the such, while Empire and Napoleon could only be modded through editing data tables.

The mods tools released by CA is the biggest myth in TW community. People HACK and reverse engineer the files. Its same for PES2011 at evo-web.co.uk....
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#197 bad_fur_day
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Holy crap that looks awesome. I played the first one way back in the day, now my computer couldn't run this. :sadface:

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#198 lawlessx
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Free bump for Shogun 2 going to play rome/medieval 2 for afew hours today to prepare :)
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#199 KristoffBrujah
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As usual GS will probably underrate it wrt the genre. Shogun will have a few drawbacks, it gets docked 1-1.5 points, but RTS with far less depth like Starcraft will get the same or better score despite being nowhere close to the quality of the TW series.

Dur... scouting+killing harvesters is a strategy... derp derp.

No, just no. Flanking, encirclement, feigned retreats, sieges, these are strategy, not zerg vs. protoss.

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#200 yellonet
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As usual GS will probably underrate it wrt the genre. Shogun will have a few drawbacks, it gets docked 1-1.5 points, but RTS with far less depth like Starcraft will get the same or better score despite being nowhere close to the quality of the TW series.

Dur... scouting+killing harvesters is a strategy... derp derp.

No, just no. Flanking, encirclement, feigned retreats, sieges, these are strategy, not zerg vs. protoss.

KristoffBrujah

Couldn't have said it better myself.

I sure hope I get my copy tomorrow...