Silicon Knight sues Epic! Too Human changes game engine entirely (AGAIN).

Denis Dyack loses it! :o

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=14759

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According to a statement from Epic's Mark Rein sent to leading news outlets including Gamasutra, the Unreal Engine 3 creator is the subject of a lawsuit from licensor Silicon Knights, presumably regarding UE3-utilizing Xbox 360 title Too Human.

Rein's statement, sent out to the media this afternoon, reads as follows: "This morning we were served with a lawsuit by Silicon Knights. We believe the claims against us are unfounded and without merit and we intend to fully defend against them."

The Epic VP continues: "We'd love to tell you more about it but unfortunately our lawyers want us to save our comments for the courthouse so we're going to do our best to comply with their wishes."

He concludes: "In that vein we'd appreciate if our friends in the industry and media would refrain from asking us about the suit because we're only going to say "no comment". We just wanted to share the news directly before the rumor mill starts churning."

Representatives from Silicon Knights were not immediately available for comment, but Gamasutra will update this story when more information about the contents of the lawsuit are made available.

Too Human pushed back for the Xbox 720/ PS4/ WiiHD in 2012! :lol:

Weird. Wonder what for.Newnab

You made an account for this.nivet14

Anything elseyou need clarification on?

Hm....I could see Epic placing some blame on Microsoft. Apparently, microsoft can't place reigns on their 2nd party developers (too human is being funded/published by microsoft).

Backlash effect?

So what exactly could Silicon sue Epic for? Technoweirdo

Was that a retorical question?

Hmm...wtf? SK is just developing a game...while USING the UE3, sooooo...i could see Epic suing Silicon Knights for doing something illegal with their engine....but wut could Silicon Knights possibly be suing Epic over? this is weird :|....and it also sucks really bad. Too Human has been in the works forever...finnally about to see the light of day....and now it gets pushed back to 2012? Think it'll stay a 360 game, or will SK once again push it back to next (next) gen consoles? Ugh...boo :(duble_Needler23

Mabye some liscencing agrements were broken and they are taking action over it.

http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=16868

[UPDATE] GameDaily BIZ has now heard from Silicon Knights president Denis Dyack.

"We stand behind everything in our complaint and believe it is highly unfortunate that Epic forced us into this situation. We would rather spend our time focusing on making great games, but as stated in our complaint, Epic simply refuses to acknowledge the inadequacies of the Unreal Engine 3 code it provides to its licensees," he said, "and refuses to accept the fact that its code has caused serious damage not only to Silicon Knights, but a number of other developers in the industry. We look forward to successful resolution of our claims in this court proceeding."

:lol:

http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=16868

[UPDATE] GameDaily BIZ has now heard from Silicon Knights president Denis Dyack.

"We stand behind everything in our complaint and believe it is highly unfortunate that Epic forced us into this situation. We would rather spend our time focusing on making great games, but as stated in our complaint, Epic simply refuses to acknowledge the inadequacies of the Unreal Engine 3 code it provides to its licensees," he said, "and refuses to accept the fact that its code has caused serious damage not only to Silicon Knights, but a number of other developers in the industry. We look forward to successful resolution of our claims in this court proceeding."

:lol:

vgf434

Blaming Epic for their own incompetency. How nice of you SK.

[QUOTE="vgf434"]

http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=16868

[UPDATE] GameDaily BIZ has now heard from Silicon Knights president Denis Dyack.

"We stand behind everything in our complaint and believe it is highly unfortunate that Epic forced us into this situation. We would rather spend our time focusing on making great games, but as stated in our complaint, Epic simply refuses to acknowledge the inadequacies of the Unreal Engine 3 code it provides to its licensees," he said, "and refuses to accept the fact that its code has caused serious damage not only to Silicon Knights, but a number of other developers in the industry. We look forward to successful resolution of our claims in this court proceeding."

:lol:

XaosII

Blaming Epic for their own incompetency. How nice of you SK.

So what exactly could Silicon sue Epic for? Technoweirdo

Possibly something to do with the UE 3.0 engine. Maybe they were lied about the engine, maybe it doesn't work properly.

What the f-...erm, fudge. What the fudge?Verge_6

[QUOTE="Technoweirdo"]So what exactly could Silicon sue Epic for? Supafly1

Possibly something to do with the UE 3.0 engine. Maybe they were lied about the engine, maybe it doesn't work properly.

http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=16868

[UPDATE] GameDaily BIZ has now heard from Silicon Knights president Denis Dyack.

"We stand behind everything in our complaint and believe it is highly unfortunate that Epic forced us into this situation. We would rather spend our time focusing on making great games, but as stated in our complaint, Epic simply refuses to acknowledge the inadequacies of the Unreal Engine 3 code it provides to its licensees," he said, "and refuses to accept the fact that its code has caused serious damage not only to Silicon Knights, but a number of other developers in the industry. We look forward to successful resolution of our claims in this court proceeding."

:lol:

vgf434

They don't know how to use the engine so they're sueing? :lol:

in other news....

ME to Ps3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Weird. Wonder what for.Newnab

because he uses unreal engine but his game sucks and cant fix it so he blaims epic its officialSK cant utilize unreal engine

[QUOTE="vgf434"]

http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=16868

[UPDATE] GameDaily BIZ has now heard from Silicon Knights president Denis Dyack.

"We stand behind everything in our complaint and believe it is highly unfortunate that Epic forced us into this situation. We would rather spend our time focusing on making great games, but as stated in our complaint, Epic simply refuses to acknowledge the inadequacies of the Unreal Engine 3 code it provides to its licensees," he said, "and refuses to accept the fact that its code has caused serious damage not only to Silicon Knights, but a number of other developers in the industry. We look forward to successful resolution of our claims in this court proceeding."

:lol:

Not-A-Stalker

They don't know how to use the engine so they're sueing? :lol:

Where the hell does it say that?

Don't they follow American laws? I thought you didn't need any excuse to sue anyone in America? :roll:Arnalion

The coffee they ordered from Epic was probably too hot.

Epic allows developers to play around with UE3 before they put the money down to license it. If there are enough inadequacies that SK doesn't think it's worth it, maybe they should have looked closer before they paid to use the thing.vgf434

Maybe the inadequacies were not immediately obvious. They've been working on this game a while now, if this were an issue that could come up from spending a little test drive time they probably woulda sued a while ago or never used UE3 in the first place.

Blaming Epic for their own incompetency. How nice of you SK.

XaosII

You don't even know if SK is right or not... you're just picking sides here.

:|

Sad.

Only thing I could conceivably see is if Silicon is having problems with the Unreal engine. This is not a good sign at all for the industry though.SpruceCaboose

Indeed. Its a popular engine.

[QUOTE="Not-A-Stalker"][QUOTE="vgf434"]

http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=16868

[UPDATE] GameDaily BIZ has now heard from Silicon Knights president Denis Dyack.

"We stand behind everything in our complaint and believe it is highly unfortunate that Epic forced us into this situation. We would rather spend our time focusing on making great games, but as stated in our complaint, Epic simply refuses to acknowledge the inadequacies of the Unreal Engine 3 code it provides to its licensees," he said, "and refuses to accept the fact that its code has caused serious damage not only to Silicon Knights, but a number of other developers in the industry. We look forward to successful resolution of our claims in this court proceeding."

:lol:

KirbyFan10101

They don't know how to use the engine so they're sueing? :lol:

Where the hell does it say that?

"Epic simply refuses to acknowledge the inadequacies of the Unreal Engine 3 code it provides to its licensees"

To me, it sounds like they're not very good with the engine, so they're sueing. :|

[QUOTE="KirbyFan10101"][QUOTE="Not-A-Stalker"][QUOTE="vgf434"]

http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=16868

[UPDATE] GameDaily BIZ has now heard from Silicon Knights president Denis Dyack.

"We stand behind everything in our complaint and believe it is highly unfortunate that Epic forced us into this situation. We would rather spend our time focusing on making great games, but as stated in our complaint, Epic simply refuses to acknowledge the inadequacies of the Unreal Engine 3 code it provides to its licensees," he said, "and refuses to accept the fact that its code has caused serious damage not only to Silicon Knights, but a number of other developers in the industry. We look forward to successful resolution of our claims in this court proceeding."

:lol:

Not-A-Stalker

They don't know how to use the engine so they're sueing? :lol:

Where the hell does it say that?

"Epic simply refuses to acknowledge the inadequacies of the Unreal Engine 3 code it provides to its licensees"

To me, it sounds like they're not very good with the engine, so they're sueing. :|

They are talking about the engine being "inadequete", and somehow that reads as "Silicon Knight sucks!". We don't even know the claim so why are you jumping the Epic bandwagon? Because they are the more prominent developer?

[QUOTE="XaosII"]

Blaming Epic for their own incompetency. How nice of you SK.

Forza_2

You don't even know if SK is right or not... you're just picking sides here.

:|

Sad.

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What do these games have in common?

i guess this means too human is not coming out this year? lol

Maybe the Unreal engine exploded Silicon Knight hq as a secret terrorist attack led by none other than Megatron, Cobra, and Blue Laser.

I dunno, that's my best guess.

What do these games have in common?

XaosII

Sorry, that proves nothing. You don't even know what's going on considering SK was too vague about the problem. They also mentioned they are not the only ones as well.

Too Human is no longer using the Unreal Engine 3. Now uses the "Silicon Knights Engine". :lol:

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=14759

'Silicon Knights Now Making Own Engine

Further on in the document, it's implied that Silicon Knights is pursuing alternatives to Unreal Engine 3, despite showing multiple versions of Too Human using the engine.

It's explained: "Epic's actions and the consequent increasing delay and cost of development of Silicon Knights' own game caused by the unworkable Engine forced Silicon Knights in May of 2006 to embark on the time and resource intensive task of writing its own game engine, the very task it had hoped to avoid be entering the Agreement with Epic."

Later on in the suit, its added: "Silicon Knights was forced to decide whether to continue waiting for Epic to provide it with a commercially functional version of the Engine. Under the Agreement, Silicon Knights found itself in the position of being ostensibly "bound" to use Epic's non-functional product, even though doing so would result in the breach of its obligations to its publishing partners. Rather than let that happen, in May of 2006, with the Engine two months overdue and under the looming risk of funding for Too Human drying up if no workable engine could be found, Silicon Knights had no choice but to abandon the Engine and begin creating its own game engine ("the Silicon Knights Engine"). By that time, Epic had shown neither the ability nor the intent to fulfill its obligations under the Agreement."

It's also revealed: "Progress on the Silicon Knights' Engine continues to date and, at this time, the Silicon Knights Engine is completely independent of Epic's Engine and certainly derives no benefit from the unworkable source code provided by Epic."

"In fact, at this juncture the Silicon Knights Engine should, at a minimum, be described under the Agreement as an "Enhancement" of Epic's Engine, which, as defined by the Agreement, is technology developed by Silicon Knights that improves upon the Engine and is therefore the property of Silicon Knights. Moreover, as development of the Silicon Knights Engine continues, the amount of code from Epic's Engine employed by Silicon Knights continues to decrease. After the release of Silicon Knights' Too Human, all Epic code will be removed from the Silicon Knights Engine."'

They are talking about the engine being "inadequete", and somehow that reads as "Silicon Knight sucks!". We don't even know the claim so why are you jumping the Epic bandwagon? Because they are the more prominent developer?

KirbyFan10101

I didn't say SK sucks. :| They're complaining about the engine and their game STILL looks pretty bad. I'm just putting 1 and 1 together. If the engine is really causing so many inadequacies to other devs, why isn't this a class action law suit? This is the first time I've ever seen anyone complain about the engine. So many other games look amazing with the engine, but SK simply can't figure it out. I'm not insulting SK or anything. It's just a stupid move.

Subrosian is going to be pissed.Pro_wrestler

Yep, lol. He has been very vocal about how much he has been anticipating Too Human. It is the main 360 exclusive that I have been anticipating as well, but it is not even close to the main GAME that I am anticipating.

Talk about bad luck if this game gets pushed back even further. Maybe the Norse Gods are displeased with the development that SK have made thus far, and have, therefore, deemed them to be...."Too Human".:P

Denis Dyack loses it! :o

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=14759

--

According to a statement from Epic's Mark Rein sent to leading news outlets including Gamasutra, the Unreal Engine 3 creator is the subject of a lawsuit from licensor Silicon Knights, presumably regarding UE3-utilizing Xbox 360 title Too Human.

Rein's statement, sent out to the media this afternoon, reads as follows: "This morning we were served with a lawsuit by Silicon Knights. We believe the claims against us are unfounded and without merit and we intend to fully defend against them."

The Epic VP continues: "We'd love to tell you more about it but unfortunately our lawyers want us to save our comments for the courthouse so we're going to do our best to comply with their wishes."

He concludes: "In that vein we'd appreciate if our friends in the industry and media would refrain from asking us about the suit because we're only going to say "no comment". We just wanted to share the news directly before the rumor mill starts churning."

Representatives from Silicon Knights were not immediately available for comment, but Gamasutra will update this story when more information about the contents of the lawsuit are made available.

Too Human pushed back for the Xbox 720/ PS4/ WiiHD in 2012! :lol:

vgf434

yeah silicon f@%& big time now