So 360 is crumbling before our eyes

So called exclusives are never really exclusives, they spent 125 million dollars just to get gta 4. and all sorts of ridiculous numbers to get other ps3 exclusives, they rushed out bad hardware, price drop after price drop, no real good games (none exclusives whatsoever) on the horizion. and a recent number of 35.7 million ps3s sold with no update from 360 in over a year.

despite a one year head start they are pathetically falling apart, with nothing going for them other than shocking people by getting ps3 quality onto their console, getting a new crap metal gear series and other games that were supposed to be exclusives.

give us something original that we cant play on pc either. jeez.

And microsoft is counting his millions from live, they look so worried :roll:

as i've said before, to microsoft, xbox360/pc games are exclusive to them, since sony and nintendo arent getting any money! and thats all they care about right now

And microsoft is counting his millions from live, they look so worried :roll:

JuarN18

125 million? Wasn't the guess from Pachter at 75 million? So where'd the extra 50 mil come from?

How do you know they paid for other excusives to go multiplat? Do you have links for this?

The bad hardware was a good point, though the addition of the 3 year warranty helped in a big way. On top of that, the 360 has plenty of good games, and a number of exclusives on the way, including Alan Wake, Halo Reach and Crackdown 2.

The 360 has also sold 40 million (link), so please do some research.

Alan Wake is both original, and cannot be played on PC.

So called exclusives are never really exclusives, they spent 125 million dollars just to get gta 4. and all sorts of ridiculous numbers to get other ps3 exclusives, they rushed out bad hardware, price drop after price drop, no real good games (none exclusives whatsoever) on the horizion. and a recent number of 35.7 million ps3s sold with no update from 360 in over a year.

despite a one year head start they are pathetically falling apart, with nothing going for them other than shocking people by getting ps3 quality onto their console, getting a new crap metal gear series and other games that were supposed to be exclusives.

give us something original that we cant play on pc either. jeez.

So called exclusives are never really exclusives, they spent 125 million dollars just to get gta 4. and all sorts of ridiculous numbers to get other ps3 exclusives, they rushed out bad hardware, price drop after price drop, no real good games (none exclusives whatsoever) on the horizion. and a recent number of 35.7 million ps3s sold with no update from 360 in over a year.

despite a one year head start they are pathetically falling apart, with nothing going for them other than shocking people by getting ps3 quality onto their console, getting a new crap metal gear series and other games that were supposed to be exclusives.

give us something original that we cant play on pc either. jeez.

DangerHiVoltage

The 360 is doing bad in SW, in the real world its doing perfectly well.

as i've said before, to microsoft, xbox360/pc games are exclusive to them, since sony and nintendo arent getting any money! and thats all they care about right now

gamer-adam1

as i've said before, to microsoft, xbox360/pc games are exclusive to them, since sony and nintendo arent getting any money! and thats all they care about right now

gamer-adam1

MS don't get any money from PC games either, unless they publish the game and/or own the company who is developing the game.

No, mine's still standing, take off your glasses buddy.

It really doesn't matter if Sony sells more PS3's in the long run than the 360, because Sony has yet to make a profit off of the PS3.

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So called exclusives are never really exclusives, they spent 125 million dollars just to get gta 4. and all sorts of ridiculous numbers to get other ps3 exclusives, they rushed out bad hardware, price drop after price drop, no real good games (none exclusives whatsoever) on the horizion. and a recent number of 35.7 million ps3s sold with no update from 360 in over a year.

despite a one year head start they are pathetically falling apart, with nothing going for them other than shocking people by getting ps3 quality onto their console, getting a new crap metal gear series and other games that were supposed to be exclusives.

give us something original that we cant play on pc either. jeez.

monson21502

People still playing Uncharted 2, Killzone 2, MGO, Socom Confrontation. Heck, there are people even playing Gran Turismo 5 Prologue still.

all those millions go back to their extended warranty which is costing them billionsDangerHiVoltage

all those millions go back to their extended warranty which is costing them billionsDangerHiVoltage

You do understand the word "profit" right?

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as i've said before, to microsoft, xbox360/pc games are exclusive to them, since sony and nintendo arent getting any money! and thats all they care about right now

lundy86_4

MS don't get any money from PC games either, unless they publish the game and/or own the company who is developing the game.

games for windows, is microsoft, so if it says that on the cover than its in microsofts good book

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AriQpIFbPoEacGM1b0xxcGVucFQ3OFc4N3BNZmd2QkE&gid=1

look at the games highlighted in orange.

[QUOTE="DangerHiVoltage"]all those millions go back to their extended warranty which is costing them billionsmonson21502

Their hardware problems aren't out of control like 360's were, or the PS2's DRE was. All electronics have a failure rate, yet companies often only offer a short manufacturer's warranty.

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as i've said before, to microsoft, xbox360/pc games are exclusive to them, since sony and nintendo arent getting any money! and thats all they care about right now

gamer-adam1

MS don't get any money from PC games either, unless they publish the game and/or own the company who is developing the game.

games for windows, is microsoft, so if it says that on the cover than its in microsofts good book

They don't earn revenue from Games for Windows Live. It's a free service offered to developers.

They'll earn money on their DD service, where they offer full games, but that's it.

Ummm, actually to most people (outside SW), when you compare Xbox 360 and PS3 directly (don't consider PC a console, it's a system; so this is for console buyers mostly), you won't go into a store and say "I want Mass Effect 2 for PS3" because to everyone else, If it's on 360 and not on PS3, it's an advantage for 360. And to MS, they get money from both sales while Nintendo and Sony don't get any93soccer

THANK YOU i've been trying to say that here for ages now

So called exclusives are never really exclusives, they spent 125 million dollars just to get gta 4. and all sorts of ridiculous numbers to get other ps3 exclusives, they rushed out bad hardware, price drop after price drop, no real good games (none exclusives whatsoever) on the horizion. and a recent number of 35.7 million ps3s sold with no update from 360 in over a year.

despite a one year head start they are pathetically falling apart, with nothing going for them other than shocking people by getting ps3 quality onto their console, getting a new crap metal gear series and other games that were supposed to be exclusives.

give us something original that we cant play on pc either. jeez.

DangerHiVoltage

Ill point out your fail by breaking down your points.

1. So called Exclusvies are never really Exclusive: I wasnt aware that ME 2, Halo Reach, Splinter Cell Conviction, Alan Wake, and etc. are on PS3. Oh, there on PC? then there console exclusive. And even if we discount console exclusive, Halo and Alan Wake arent on PC, so those are "True" Exclusives, atleast in your words.

2. They spent 125 million to just get GTA 4: Actually, it was never confirmed that MS paid anything to get GTA 4, the gameon 360. That was something Pachter said. Plus, he said that he believed it cost them like 75 million, not 125 million. You dont count the 50 million or whatever for the DLC because thats not the original games of GTA 4, which you said they paid 125 million for.

3. They rushed out bad hardware: The only point I will agree with you on. But dont let that get to your head.

4. Price Drop after Price Drop: LMAO, since when is dropping price and making something more affordable a bad thing?

5. No real good games on horizen: Enormosuly based on personal opinon. I myself am quite excited for Halo and Gears 3.

6. PS3 at 35 million with no update on MS: umm, they said theyre at 40 million not too long ago, so WTF are you on about?

I really hope you enjoyed this lesson, and would hope you learn to create better topics in the future.

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as i've said before, to microsoft, xbox360/pc games are exclusive to them, since sony and nintendo arent getting any money! and thats all they care about right now

Calmador

MS don't get any money from PC games either, unless they publish the game and/or own the company who is developing the game.

Have you heard of Xbox live? Yeah.. well Microsoft has a PC version called Windows live... Microsoft does make money off pc games.

Addressed in the post above ^^

I presume your talking about the stamp that's put on certain PC games? It's a free service, where they earn no money from it.

They earn money from their Direct Download service.

That's why PC games are usually $10 cheaper, as MS cannot charge revenues on PC games, as Windows/PC is an open platform.

microsoft aint profitted off the 360 no matter what they say, theyve been caught lieing tonnes of timesDangerHiVoltage

[QUOTE="93soccer"]Ummm, actually to most people (outside SW), when you compare Xbox 360 and PS3 directly (don't consider PC a console, it's a system; so this is for console buyers mostly), you won't go into a store and say "I want Mass Effect 2 for PS3" because to everyone else, If it's on 360 and not on PS3, it's an advantage for 360. And to MS, they get money from both sales while Nintendo and Sony don't get anygamer-adam1

THANK YOU i've been trying to say that here for ages now

Yup, it's a good point that the games are an advantage for 360.

If PC isn't an option for somebody, then there is only one other place they can get the game.

Crumbling? PS3 and 360 have sold the exact same number of consoles since the release of the PS3. It's a dead heat right now. PS3 has some steam, but what's gonna happen when the 360 slim comes out at a lower price, possibly with more features (more features than itself, not PS3)?

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[QUOTE="93soccer"]Ummm, actually to most people (outside SW), when you compare Xbox 360 and PS3 directly (don't consider PC a console, it's a system; so this is for console buyers mostly), you won't go into a store and say "I want Mass Effect 2 for PS3" because to everyone else, If it's on 360 and not on PS3, it's an advantage for 360. And to MS, they get money from both sales while Nintendo and Sony don't get anylundy86_4

THANK YOU i've been trying to say that here for ages now

Yup, it's a good point that the games are an advantage for 360.

If PC isn't an option for somebody, then there is only one other place they can get the game.

well Im not saying its not a option, but 83% of the time if a gamer walks into a store and wants to buy a game chances are its for the PS3 or xbox360. the war is between Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo. and right now from the war point of view, PC is teamed up with Microsoft

So called exclusives are never really exclusives, they spent 125 million dollars just to get gta 4. and all sorts of ridiculous numbers to get other ps3 exclusives, they rushed out bad hardware, price drop after price drop, no real good games (none exclusives whatsoever) on the horizion. and a recent number of 35.7 million ps3s sold with no update from 360 in over a year.

despite a one year head start they are pathetically falling apart, with nothing going for them other than shocking people by getting ps3 quality onto their console, getting a new crap metal gear series and other games that were supposed to be exclusives.

give us something original that we cant play on pc either. jeez.

DangerHiVoltage

microsoft aint profitted off the 360 no matter what they say, theyve been caught lieing tonnes of timesDangerHiVoltage

It really doesn't matter if Sony sells more PS3's in the long run than the 360, because Sony has yet to make a profit off of the PS3.

Sky-

it's making profits now

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THANK YOU i've been trying to say that here for ages now

gamer-adam1

Yup, it's a good point that the games are an advantage for 360.

If PC isn't an option for somebody, then there is only one other place they can get the game.

well Im not saying its not a option, but 83% of the time if a gamer walks into a store and wants to buy a game chances are its for the PS3 or xbox360. the war is between Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo. and right now from the war point of view, PC is teamed up with Microsoft

Well, especially with the fact that PC retail in the US has pretty much died due to an explosion in direct download popularity.

PC is pretty much it's own entity. It's not owned by any one company, and the Windows platform is completely open to developers. Undoubtedly people outside of System Wars associate PC with Microsoft however.

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It really doesn't matter if Sony sells more PS3's in the long run than the 360, because Sony has yet to make a profit off of the PS3.

fightninja162

it's making profits now

360 rulez

[QUOTE="monson21502"][QUOTE="DangerHiVoltage"]all those millions go back to their extended warranty which is costing them billionslundy86_4

Their hardware problems aren't out of control like 360's were, or the PS2's DRE was. All electronics have a failure rate, yet companies often only offer a short manufacturer's warranty.

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[QUOTE="Sky-"]

It really doesn't matter if Sony sells more PS3's in the long run than the 360, because Sony has yet to make a profit off of the PS3.

The_Game21x

it's making profits now

well microsoft has lost billions as well in lawsuits and as a result of the biggest disaster in history rrod.

[QUOTE="Sky-"]

It really doesn't matter if Sony sells more PS3's in the long run than the 360, because Sony has yet to make a profit off of the PS3.

fightninja162

it's making profits now

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="fightninja162"]

it's making profits now

fightninja162

well microsoft has lost billions as well in lawsuits and as a result of the biggest disaster in history rrod.

There's been no lawsuits won against MS over RROD, thats why they owned up to it with the 3 year warranty.

As far as i'm aware anyway.

The Halo craze has subsided and FPS games are beginning to drop in popularity. Microsoft must be in panic mode right about now, and Gran Turismo 5 isn't even out yet. They need a miracle at E3 or they're screwed.

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[QUOTE="The_Game21x"] Sony may not be selling the PS3 for a loss any more but they've got a long way to go before they can say they've made a profit off of the PS3 after the billions (yes, billions, with a "b") they've lost so far.Snugenz

well microsoft has lost billions as well in lawsuits and as a result of the biggest disaster in history rrod.

There's been no lawsuits won against MS over RROD, thats why they owned up to it with the 3 year warranty.

As far as i'm aware anyway.

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[QUOTE="monson21502"] wish sony offered a 3 year warrenty for my dead 500 dollar 60 gig. they only just now annouced a 2 year warrenty for a hefty price 69.99 on consoles under 1 years old. they know they have faulty hardware on the phat ps3s that why its only for new systems....monson21502

Their hardware problems aren't out of control like 360's were, or the PS2's DRE was. All electronics have a failure rate, yet companies often only offer a short manufacturer's warranty.

I don't get what you're implying. They made the slim to cut down on hardware failures? That is an extremely expensive endeavour, considering they would have had to change a large portion of the manufacturing process, rather than just lower hardware failures on the "fat" models, which likely would have been cheaper.

The PS2 was released in Oct of 2000 in the US, and the slim was released in Oct of 2004. That's 4 years between releases.

The PS3 was released in Nov of 2006 in the US, and the slim was released in Sept of 2009. That's 3 years between releases.

All in all, not that much of a difference.

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[QUOTE="Sky-"]

It really doesn't matter if Sony sells more PS3's in the long run than the 360, because Sony has yet to make a profit off of the PS3.

GrilledCharlie

it's making profits now

whatever about last gen the only reason microsoft is on par with sony now is the head start and high price of the system now that those two are not a factor the ps3 is winning the sales worldwide like it should.

The Halo craze has subsided and FPS games are beginning to drop in popularity. Microsoft must be in panic mode right about now, and Gran Turismo 5 isn't even out yet. They need a miracle at E3 or they're screwed.

Tauu

I lol that people think MS is crumbling before our eyes now that SONY is starting to put up some competition.

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The Halo craze has subsided and FPS games are beginning to drop in popularity. Microsoft must be in panic mode right about now, and Gran Turismo 5 isn't even out yet. They need a miracle at E3 or they're screwed.

The_Game21x

Because Gran Turismo 5 is coming.