So the PS4 has BASICALLY won this gen right?

LOL, I'm not even a Lem, but yeah, please go sensitive and play your assumption games all you want. I don't play sales, I play games to have fun. Yeah, I'll play Halo and have fun....and how's your Killzone Shadow Flop? 5Club? Enjoying them exclusives? I doubt it.

You play sales, hype and stupidity, I don't blame you that most of your PS exclusives are garbage, lack longevity and severely lack the attach rate that Nintendo and Xbox owners have on their exclusives.

@Sagemode87: your post is golden sir

Can't take lems seriously anymore lol

Soon as they lose criteria they stop caring about it. What do lems care about? Halo. That's it

You people need to get laid, damn.

Nobody gives a shit about indies fanboy.

You do know slow sales and a growing attach rate are symptomatic of a dying system? PS2 had a low attach rate compared to GC and Xbox because users had choice. Of course the attach rates go up when Sheep and Lems have no selection to choose from.

That's weird. Ever since I've been here, every year was going to be "The Year of the PS3" where it overtook the 360 in WW sales. Where are the Cows that didn't care about sales at?

What do you mean they stood by their decision? They just unveiled it. They started dropping their vision because the of the public backlash, nothing to do with games and they finished it off when they needed to drop Kinect to drop the price to compete with the PS4. They didn't do it for any other reason.

The X1 is slowly starting to get momentum, it doesn't matter if it's getting outsold, that wasn't my point. It's starting to gain interest. Will it be enough, I don't, probably not.

You mean how only Metacritic or Eurogamer or whatever, count for scores with the cows because GS has been underscoring their games?

What's up with this "weaker hardware" argument anyway? Did having weaker hardware effect any other system in the past? No! It's also not like the PS4 can play any game in 1080p because we know that isn't true there are now several games that the PS4 can't do 1080p in. As it stands at the moment the PS4 is just a little more capable than the X1 that's all. It's just stupid going on about this when the PS4 clearly has limitation as well! Want awesome graphics 1080p at 60fps? Buy a mid range gaming PC! Simple.

It's obvious why you haters constantly go on about the PS4's slight hardware advantage though, because it's really the only thing that the PS4 has going for it. If we we're to compare both consoles offerings fairly the X1 pulls ahead on features and a better online network and like I've said before, better games are subjective.

Problem is the xbox one is selling at the same price point as a console who has better hardware. How much better makes little difference, since games will be compared, and the xbox one will always get the short end of the stick. And if these features, and better online were so compelling, it would reflect in sales, and so far that hasn't happened. Lastgen the Wii was significantly weaker than its competition, but it sold on price, and the gimmick of motion controls. The weaker hardware did affect the Wii as well, as it didn't get many of the best multiplats lastgen.

I will be worried about the X1 when 3rd party devs start jumping ship. Since that isn't going to happen and in fact this generation whether Cows like it or not will cater to the X1 from the standpoint that big devs like EA, Capcom, Konami, Treyarch, IW, Bioware and whatnot will make games that look great on both system and not just on PS4. So in reality it is you Cows that will in your words be "playing inferior multiplats" as there is no budget to spend extra time on PS4 versions of games!!

Its only cheaper, smaller, and faster, with a better OS, 1st party studios, and superior consumer adoption.

The PS4 is selling the way it is on hype nothing else! Sony has even openly stated that they don't know why their console is selling the way it is even though fanboys ignore this and continue to make up false explanations for the PS4's success. You don't need a university education to figure it out. Just compare both systems fairly without bias and one can see that the X1 has the advantage with more features and better online network.

MS had a horrible start and was repeatedly slammed by the media they've changed all their policies made some welcome unexpected changes and even gutted management. Unlike Sony, MS is doing everything possible to make the X1 and Xbox appeal to gamers and it will eventually pay off for them. .

Lems are VERY upset in here. Why??

We're just delivering the truth to ya. Xbone is struggling, these are facts.

Sales wise oh yeah. I haven't seen a game for it that has me craving to play though. But that's all subjective even though you cows will try to make it seem like its not. As for what does Xbox have left? Well there is as you mentioned Halo 5. But Quantum Break looks exciting, a new Gears, Phantom Dust, Scalebound are all in the future. So unless you only like games that say SONY on them, there are games that look interesting on other platforms.

do we? what exactly? more naughty dog? ... what else? 1 more dark souls game.... Sony are just as stagnant now as MS is ... infact... MS is showing more new franchises.

@Shewgenja: Cell was fairly unproven as an advantage until MGS4 came out and then Uncharted. Before better looking games came out on the PS3, it was just "Sony overhype". Are you actually willing to bet the Cloud is as solid a bet as Cell was? So be it if you are, I won't hate on that, but MS sure hasn't said anything about Cloud graphics in a long time now.

Are you fuckin serious? The cell was a solid bet? Then where the **** is it? Why did Sony go with a different processor in the PS4? It was a colossal failure. You cows always acted like nothing on 360 was in the ballpark with Uncharted or MGS4 and GoW3 and it was complete fanboy, slurp on cock exaggeration. And what good was it if 3rd party devs couldn't maximize it? As for the cloud? I'll bet on it lasting a lot longer than the one gen cell. I am by no means a secret sauce believer. The X1 IS NOT AS POWERFUL AS THE PS4. But I have a PC for POWER that wipes its ass with the PS4.

This dumb little fake concern thread of yours has really brought out a lot of bitterness in some. I must hand it to you, that's some good System Warsing.

Don't forget about LittleBigPlanet and Tearaway. I know people around here don't like this kind of game, but I do, and I think they're both going to be huge (LBP more so, obviously).

I like them... but look how un-enthusiastic people are about LBP3 ... a cash cow-in mediocre sequal. also.. isn't tearaway just the Vita version remade?

@MBirdy88

It's supposed to be "an expanded retelling of the original." Whatever that means...

Truth if I ever saw it.

I don't think that Sony sees it quite the same as you.

There is a Kinnect-less sku making the price of the X1 comparable to the PS4. Better OS?!?!? NO! First of all we're taking about MS the "software giant" here, you know the creators of Windows!!! Hello?!?! Is this ringing any bells for you? Are you even aware that the X1 has 3x OS and uses 8 gig of flash ram aside from it's 8gig of DDR3? Yeah yeah, the PS4 has more powerful hardware but there are things that the X1 can do that the PS4 will never be able to do like for example, quick efficient updates and app snapping and that's because of the x3 operating systems and the additional 8gig of flash ram. "Bu bu.. the PS4 is a pure gaming machine!" Yeah so was the 360 when compared to the PS3 but that didn't stop people from boasting about it's media capabilities. Remember "it only does everything" ???

We get new games/IP´s, first that come in mind is The Order 1886

@hernandezzzz: LBP3 is on the PS3 btw. So is Guilty Gear Xrd, Persona 5 and some other game i keep forgetting about.

But i'm somewhat interested in Tearaway Unfolded too. Haven't played the first one yet, but it looks like a neat little game from MM. Hope they can make the DS4 work.

Pop in a game on Xbone and PS4. Who gets to start playing first, and who gets to watch tv waiting for the game to install to the hard drive?

Its true tho.

Meh.

@Blabadon: The worst part is that some of these accounts are just alt accounts with different personas talking to each other. Hell, I caught Tormentos making fun of himself today... Think about that for a couple seconds. Some of these people are soooo lonely that they actually create alternate accounts with varying degrees of fanboyism and talk to themselves. Now weep for humanity.

And as for XboxOne pulling off a PS3-like recovery, its literally impossible.

It would have to start selling +300,000 on a monthly basis in one or more of its strongest countries to remotely close the 5 million lead the PS4 had in August (and that was 2 months ago) and PS4 has been outselling in all the countries of the world bar Brazil, since next-gen took off.

I do am amazed to see such positivism for Xbone, had PS3 had this much support during its first years on the market, oh how things would have been different in SW.

No, they haven't won yet. MS can still come back, but it will be a longshot. If your friends all have PS4s, and you want to share games and play online with them, your choice has already been made. All of XBox Ones exclusives going to PC doesn't help matters either.

Maximum Jimmy Rustle detected..

Yes, the Cell was a solid bet. On top of the fact that math did math stuff, Cell is still in use today in medical imaging that was pretty revolutionary at the time not to mention the Quicksilver servers for military use. Do you even science?

Sure is funny how everyone can name the games on the PS3 that shattered our perception of the machine not living up to its promises but putting a 360 game in the same sentence just doesn't happen. Proof's in the pudding. I too, have a PC that whoops the PS4s ass. Which is why I see the me-too console known as the Xbone as an utter waste. The WiiU has awesome software, the PS4 adequately plays current gen games on my 1080p TV and the XBone is for glue-eaters who will put a name-brand ahead of what's really important.

This is the real reason why PS4 is winning. If people want a knee-jerk purchase for good software, the WiiU is the way to go. If people want to spend a limited amount of gaming budget on a machine they will get the most enjoyment out of and most developer support through the years, PS4 is the clear choice. XBone.. well, at least you get to talk to your cable box.

they are losing.......

only winning in sales and so far every game made by ps4 is well flopping gg

Its only faster, better selling, with superior multiplats and dev support. Yup, totally losing.

Threads like these make me so glad i own both.

Fanboyism is a terrible disease that I think affects our industry more than any other.

PS4 won?

It hasn't even come out with a quality exclusive yet!!

SMH

The PlayStation 4 is the fastest selling console in history.

What they mean is they can't actually tag what is making the console sell so much,there is numbers of reasons,from price point to power even brand recognition,the wii was selling on a gimick motion control so you can pinpoint what is selling it on the PS4 is harder.

Is not the way you think it is.lol

Dude not even giving free the game that was literally selling PS4 in September alone side another free game they could beat sony come on 2 free games including a hot new release free and still almost got double sales wise is a big sign.

Yeah i have one to who doubly wipe its ass with the xbox one to,do i bring it vs the XBO.? No the PS4 is enough..

Hiding on PC is a joke lemming..

Just go away you fucking paid mouthpiece troll.

yup, XposBone is a 3rd grade console the world knows this only a handfull "gamers" didn't, but now they know and they feel sad!

@slim70: yup another day gone and @tormentos delivered another meltdown. HAHA

tormentos is mah nigga

@deadline-zero0: Forza Horizon and Titanfall are on 360. What's your point?

Lemmings will deny it and shout "PS3 came back" until they're blue in the face. (Funny how they kept fighting for the narrative that 360 was ahead worldwide until now, ask any Lemming did PS3 catch up in 2013, doubt the answer would be the same as now) The situations are different for X1 and PS3 though. I say let them continue with their delusions. It won't be fun and games anymore when developers aren't interested in developing for Xbox One anymore. Hell, many devs are already neglecting X1. PS4 has each region locked down, it's a wrap. X1 is perceived as a shit product and it's not outselling PS4 anywhere. PS3 was outselling 360 worldwide at launch.

they're still games, and they're still not on your precious POS4.

Says the alter troll account...lol

oh... that very boring looking TPS.

@Salt_The_Fries: Um The Last of Us Remastered, Infamous 2nd Son, MLB The Show, Final Fantasy 14, and many others aren't on your piece of shit X1 either. Continue to live in your bubble where only Xbox games matter.We're not even going to get into downloadables. PS4 has the better library. Stay mad lmaooooo.

@Sagemode87: what devs are neglecting X1? And what evidence is there that X1 is perceived as a shit product?

@lostrib: http://www.listwar.com/released-games/

Devs are making more games for PS4. Not to mention, X1 just got their sales doubled the month they gave away free games. You could've gotten the Madden bundle and Destiny for $400 but most people went for the $450 Destiny PS4 bundle. MS sold themselves short and still got annihilated. If that's not good enough proof that X1 is viewed as a inferior product by consumers and devs then we have nothing else to discuss.