So the PS4 has BASICALLY won this gen right?

@MBirdy88: Looks much more fun than 2 forza games in the same year...

@Sagemode87: once again you have no evidence to actually back up your claims

Mad Cow disease is exclusive for Cows, therefore I ain't even mad.

@lostrib: I give you evidence then you say I have no evidence. Look up the list of games or do I have to list them out individually for you? Look at the fact that MS got doubled in US despite giving away games. Can you read?

This thread proves cows are the Fox News of the gaming industry....

even the previews say its not fun mate.... graphics are not everything.

@Salt_The_Fries: Lol Salt the fries post

@Sagemode87: but it doesn't back up your claims.

@Sagemode87: lol fanboy post

You mean the two forza games that are better than anything sony has put out for the ps4? Those two games?

@navyguy21: I say that's a good thing. Fox News isn't politically correct and are honest.

@YD_11: how can it be better? 2 of the same thing and what if you not even like racing games?

@Sagemode87: lol no. Fox news is shit

Lol, point proven :P

@aroxx_ab: They aren't the same tho.. motorsport series and horizon series are quite different.

@lostrib: and you wonder why you're perceived as a Lemming. You do nothing but damage control for Microsoft. I tried to show you proof, since it doesn't go with your agenda, you dismiss it.

It doesn't back up my claims? MS gave away games but got outsold 2 to 1 last month, not even including worldwide sales which is even more in Sony's favor. Explain how that doesn't show X1 is perceived as an inferior product when it's the same price as PS4?

In regards to my link , explain how those 3rd party games not being on X1 doesn't show devs are focusing more on PS4? Moto GP14 isn't on Xbox One, I wonder why? Same for Final Fantasy 14, and many other 3rd party games on the chart.

@navyguy21: @lostrib: Lol, explain how Fox news is bad...being politically correct helps no one.

Msnbc is the one that's shit lol.

Well if you have to ask.........then chances are that you will just ignore everything i say anyway. Why waste my time?

Clearly you think they are "fair and balanced", so their job is done.

@Sagemode87: it's not my fault fanboys like you have your heads too far up your asses to see the truth

@lostrib: Lol lostrib post it is then.

@Sagemode87: you're the one whose only response was that i was a lemming or fake hermit. Neither of which were remotely true. You just couldn't see past your fanboy bullshit

Let's see what the numbers are after Christmas.

But they're both more ports of ps3 or vita games. It defeats the purpose. You didn't buy a ps4 for super ports of a last gen game. You buy a system for exclusives that show what the system can do.

Doesn't take much to amuse some people.

So then Kinect is pretty awesome also by that logic. Its used in many other things than gaming. Way to move the goal posts guy, guess that's NOT jimmies rustled.

As far as gaming went the cell was balls. Sony abandoned it after one major in the red gen. Cloud computing is being used in so many places and I guess that holds weight since you want to bring the cell's non gaming uses up. You were asking about science, I believe?

Dude who are you spending your time talking to? Any grounded human being who loves games remembers being wowed by every Gears, and especially Halo 4 when released. There fella are 4 games put in that sentence by 360. You just hate MS so much you wouldn't give them any credit. You have admitted as much here in the past. Shall I post some it for you?

LOL I am a glue eater because I like playing Halo, Fable, Gears? I don't want to wait for Quantum Break to go to PC as I didn't with Alan Wake? And then there is Phantom Dust and Scalebolund. Preferring those games to what I've seen on the PS4 so far makes me a glue eater? Wow. Someone is a little conceited with their taste in gaming.

If you really look at what your reply is stating its that your opinion is right and anyone who likes what the X1 has delivered or has coming up is wrong. Get in touch with reality dude. The PS4 is winning because of brand loyalty. The PS3 outsold the 360 outside the US and UK last gen. Now with MS monumental retardation of a reveal and policies it took what little steam they built. PS has lead in 3/4 gens they have been in. They are the favorite every gen at this point.

@Sagemode87:

Skip to 11:44 to see how lostrip behalves right now. lol@lostrip

@tormentos: I know English isn't your first language. But when someone says " I have a PC for power" what they are saying is, they don't own either console for power because they already own the most powerful. Incidentally, I own both a PS4 and X1 now. Do you? Or is all that Japanese jizz for you fanboy?

" The X1 IS NOT AS POWERFUL AS THE PS4." you bolded that dude, not me. How can I be hiding if I started the statement by stating where X1 is behind PS4? It isn't the English thing on this one fella. You really are not coming across very smart.

Wait fox news is what? Wow.

" MS gave away games but got outsold 2 to 1 last month, not even including worldwide sales which is even more in Sony's favor. Explain how that doesn't show X1 is perceived as an inferior product when it's the same price as PS4?"

Is that what matters to you? How the console you buy is perceived? I play the games I want to play on my consoles. You prefer the PS4 library, I do not. The difference is I don't come on here telling everyone what I prefer is a fact. Its a preference. No amount of scores or sales will change that.

That's what games like The Order, Bloodborne, Until Dawn and Uncharted are for, but a system needs more than that to feel complete.

It needs games like Tearaway, LittleBigPlanet and Ratchet & Clank that don't "show what a system can do" but are just plain fun to play. Fortunately, the PS4 will offer both, it just needs a bit more time -- much like the Wii U, which people seem to forget has been around for a lot longer and had terrible droughts.

PS: I think it's cool of Sony to continue supporting the PS3 alongside their new console. I had no idea LittleBigPlanet 3 was also coming to the PS3! That's a pretty awesome move, imho (obviously I'll be happy to pick the better version for the PS4).

@slim70: size biggot much? Who cares if he's fat or not. Replace fat with race , religion , Gender, would you still say it? I love how the mods has time to close my thread down asking a legitimate question but can't regulate people throwing out personal attacks.

I know and I'll state again:

• If success is determined by sales alone ps4 wins.
• If success is determined by software, WiiU is winning.

I don't know about you, but whenever you hear ps4 well yeah you don't hear ps4 other than trolo ps4 just sold another 500K units HA HA ps4 better lulz. What games you got ps4 fanboys?

Moving the goal posts? I thought making the PS3 an "Entertainment Super Computer" was more of Krazy Ken's nuttiness that held the PS3 back at first. I suppose I just imagined Xbox fans everywhere hitting forums like PS3Forums.com and various other sites at the time hailing the 360 as a "pure games machine" that made HD-DVD "about choice"? You really wanted to play that card..?? My jimmies are unrustled.

It's no mystery that raw FLOPS performance of the X86 architecture as well as the advent of GPUCompute as rendered the Cell architecture moot in its current form. There were many road maps that showed a mutliple PPE configuration in future iterations. However, parallelization on GPU has advanced for several generations throughout the DX10 and DX11 architectures.. Never mind PhysX being bought out by NVidia between the PS3 launch and now. I think you're grasping at straws here. Many things the Cell did as well as DX10/DX11 subsequently have paved the path for heavy compute in gaming. Areas the 360 flatly lacked in. It was a good system and all, but you're talking crazy shit to say that it was holding a candle to what the PS3 was doing in the arena of physics performance or heavy calculation in games. It's claim to fame was giving developers a lot of leeway balancing the rendering pipeline between shader and geometry performance. Cool story.

It is absolutely okay to like those games. You are free to like what you like. I was speaking about games in terms of technical achievement. The words "I like Halo" make this what it is. Roughly 30 million original XBox owners are right there with you. If you got the money for that, go right ahead and don't let me hold you back. Me? I can wait for the PC port. If Ryse and Dead Rising are anything to go by, I won't exactly be black and blue holding my breath.

I don't see how you can say this all boils down to brand loyalty when both the Wii and the 360 outsold the PS3 for the lion's share of a very long generation. You seem to have convinced yourself that it's merely people's unwillingness to compromise with MS after they fixed all their launch mistakes that there is push-back. Meanwhile, ignoring ResolutionGate as well as the fact MS closed studios or put them in the Kinect Purgatory when things actually were going good for them. My bad for insinuating you were a glue eater, though. I guess I refrain that title for the people that actually still think the XBone is going somewhere. You seem comfortable with the idea you are getting it for the hand full of games you are getting it for.

Damn, we have a true believer here. I just love it when a meltdown includes reminding everyone the weaker system is also running three operating systems on suck-ass budget laptop ram.

In sales, yeah I don't see anything catching up to PS4.

In games though, Wii U is winning by far

@Shewgenja: Ok, the moving of goal posts comment refers to the fact that gaming wise, the cell was abandoned by Sony after one gen. But you replied with all these non gaming uses. That was the move, and you did it. This is a gaming forum, that's what cell use I was referring to.

And I guess I and others like @SolidTy weren't here for cows crying sales mean nothing, power of the cell, just wait, online MP should be free. I don't own Jimmies, you brought that non sense in.

I'm talking crazy shit? The PS3 games didn't look "not holding a candle better". Blab your tech talk all you want, I always own both consoles. And nothing on PS3 was this massive leap forward that you are claiming the cell was capable of. If you're a fanboy? Sure, of course. In reality? No.

The Wii was, as we can easily see "the pet rock". WiiU sales are showing this. And as I said, aside from USA and UK how did the 360 fare vs ps3 sales wise? Have those other countries ever bought Xbox more? How can you not see the world wide ( USA and UK are not the world) brand loyalty?

You want to wait for the Halo 5 port? By all means. Wouldn't the rest of them have hit PC after Halo 2 by now though? Gears 2 and 3 also?

Why should I get a console other than the "handful of games" am getting for it? My PS3 collection isn't all that big. Do you buy everything that is exclusive to PlayStation, just because its exclusive? I only buy what I want to play for my systems.

Considering that you want to compare the xbox one to the PS3 i say it is you who is the fox news of the gaming industry.

The xbox one and PS3 are not even close to be on the same boat and is not just sales i mean many more things like been the successor to the most successful console ever made,costing more yet been accepted more in some markets than the cheaper 360.

Is not even close to be the same scenario so when you say the PS3 catch up and try to imply the xbox one could do the same based on that show you have no knowledge about what your talking.

Its been one year. I'll see you guys in 2020, and we'll see where the numbers are.

You were hiding on PC you blind biased lemming..Go make excuses elsewhere and i own a PS4 and a PC,i don't want an xbox one there is no reason to get one.

Contrary to how i felt on 2005 with the xbox 360 and the original xbox which both i owned since day 1.

Cool avatar, is that a selfie?

No that is how i picture you...

Wrong, PS2 owners had an insurmountable amount of garbage in their selection and they SEALED a shit load of Exclusives in that era. At the time, PS2 owners played their shitty versions of mulitplats and their exclusives. Today, not so much. Where the **** are the new Sly Coopers? Ratchets or Jax? Socom US Navy Seal? Resistance? Oh wait...we all know what happened to those last two. Any new Twisted Metal game on the way? What the **** happened to Wipeout? Motorstorm games?

LOLOLOL, you're giving me a hernia from laughing too hard.

The attach rate goes up for Xbox and Nintendo gamers because they have THE MOST IMPORTANT exclusives that actually DO SELL, have stronger fanbase and stronger following with those exclusives, hence the longevity, quality and strong fun factor with those Nintendo and Xbox exclusives. That is why XBOX, for example, hasn't invested too much on more exclusives. Because they're relying on those key Xbox exclusives that actually sell and are more profitable. It doesn't make financial sense to create, invest on wholly new IPs (like Sony has) when at the end, there's no guarantee those new IPs will significantly turn a profit. It's better to invest on a handful of key current franchises, concentrate on those current franchises, with impeccable standards, that way they can garner more fans and turn a profit. Same can be said about why Nintendo hasn't fully invested too much in Newer IPs because those current key Nintendo franchises sell and makes them profits. And for the most part, those Xbox and Nintendo exclusives have high production values.

Can't say much about some Playstation exclusives. LOL. Just look what happened to Flopzone, Gran Tooshitmo. Which I find ironic in your post and most Cows' post when it comes to bragging/boasting about those Playstation Exclusives. Yet, the attach rate is so weak. LOL.

I thought you morons love your exclusives? BTW, how's Flopzone Shadow Blows and 5club? How's the MP in Flopzone Shadow Blows? How's Little Big Planet 2, Puppeteer, Knack???

....imitating tormentos

You post is a complete joke the wii had a shit ton of garbage games.

Nintendo games sold because they mostly appeal to kids as the wii was so successful well so did the sales of some games,Mario Kart wi sold what Halo 3,Reach and Halo 4 sold combined on xbox 360,despite the wii not having 3 times as many consoles sold.

The PS2 had a ton of garbage but it also had tons of great games,and tons of good games as well,games like Onimusha which weren't the greatest but where great filler for the time.

Attach rate has nothing to do with great games,and more with the user base you have hardcore gamers tend to buy more games,the PS2 had a truck load of casuals,so the hardcore gamers on PS2 didn't buy enough games to actually hike that game ratio when casuals bough less.

MS doesn't invest in exclusives because they prefer to pay for time exclusive games,which have been like that since they enter the market,and now more than ever,instead of investing 30 or 40 million on a game,they probably pay 7 million and get time exclusivity.

Most of the PS2 exclusives where not even pay by sony,the xbox arrived almost 2 years after the PS2,man the PS2 on 1999 had more than 250 games on the making it had more games on the making in 1999 than what the DC got in its life cycle.

That is funny because Ryse sucked ass,so did DR3,Forza dropped from the high 90's it use to have to 79 on meta even GT6 on PS3 scored higher than Forza 5.

funny thing Killzone sold 2.1 million copies in 2 months even that BF4 and COD were alone side it,so apparently people didn't care about its quality.

LBP 2 is a 90% series and the Pupetteer got 9 here what is your point.?

@tormentos: so you don't have an answer then, just accusations based on? Oh and I will always be a little biased towards Americans, I served my country. Are you Japanese? Its cool I know you're not, but hey you keep sucking up to them at Sony anyway gaijin.

1. You're a complete joke, like most of your sad pathetic threads are. That goes for most insane irrational Cows on these boards.
2. How's playing those Playstation Exclusives? I highly doubt any of you boasting Cows can ever give me a straight answer, LOL
3. I'm not talking about scores, but the quality + attach rates, which clearly doesn't sink well with Cowturds, just like you.
4. You cows need to take some harsh lessons in business finance.
5. Btw PS2 came in 2000, not 1999. Which explains no one takes you seriously.
6. Learn to fucking write in ENGLISH.

No meltdown here just telling it like it is backing it all up with facts and all your shit talk just shows how insecure you are.

If you don't like it don't come here! Capiche?

According to the site that you are on X1 has 1 AAAE and the PS4 has 0.

If its about hardware it doesn't matter because a GTX 750Ti pretty much makes console gaming irrelevant from a multi-platform point of view.

Also its too early ask again in 4 years.