Sony is not the CHAMP this gen, they're the CHUMP.... the AWFUL truth.

[QUOTE="DAZZER7"]

low level account - check

low post account - check

opinion based rant - check

Flambait - confirmed

SONY IS KING!

LOL lemming 360 is at the same situation as PS3 and maybe even worse all games are multiplats even its exclusives got superior versions on PC while PS3 can play all the multiplats available on 360 with minimum difference ( not like the difference between PC and 360 ) and PS3 got superior great exclusives which is not available on any other console the only thing making 360 looks better than PS3 now is the 1 year headstart just give PS3 another year then you will see.

Kashiwaba

But the PS3 has MGS4. That more than compensates for a weak system, high price, and inferior game library. Dead serious.

[QUOTE="DAZZER7"]

[QUOTE="lionsnakes"]Unfortunately that doesnt change the fact that everything I said was true. Prove me otherwise.lionsnakes

Nah thanks, everyone has seen how this goes a million times.

How is that backpedaling mate? If I see someone with a low level account, low post number and they start a thread, I make an automatic assumption on their credibility, especially if their thread is a 'rant' based thread and lets face it, you are ranting. Everyone knows Sony has lost market share, you don't need to create a new thread and put 'FACT' on the end of each sentence. :lol:

[QUOTE="Kashiwaba"]

LOL lemming 360 is at the same situation as PS3 and maybe even worse all games are multiplats even its exclusives got superior versions on PC while PS3 can play all the multiplats available on 360 with minimum difference ( not like the difference between PC and 360 ) and PS3 got superior great exclusives which is not available on any other console the only thing making 360 looks better than PS3 now is the 1 year headstart just give PS3 another year then you will see.

Ze_ALEX

Read and you will understand nothing needs any clarification.

[QUOTE="lionsnakes"][QUOTE="DAZZER7"]

Nah thanks, everyone has seen how this goes a million times.

DAZZER7

How is that backpedaling mate? If I see someone with a low level account, low post number and they start a thread, I make an automatic assumption on their credibility, especially if their thread is a 'rant' based thread and lets face it, you are ranting. Everyone knows Sony has lost market share, you don't need to create a new thread and put 'FACT' on the end of each sentence. :lol:

All fanboys suck. Period.

[QUOTE="DAZZER7"]

[QUOTE="lionsnakes"]Backpedaling. That's what I thought ;)lionsnakes

How is that backpedaling mate? If I see someone with a low level account, low post number and they start a thread, I make an automatic assumption on their credibility, especially if their thread is a 'rant' based thread and lets face it, you are ranting. Everyone knows Sony has lost market share, you don't need to create a new thread and put 'FACT' on the end of each sentence. :lol:

I am not refuting your facts lol...is that really hard to miss?

I am pointing out your facts are obvious...is that hard to miss aswell?

I am also questioning the purpose of your thread based on your lack of credibility...is that difficult to understand?

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I would like you to tell me where I have attacked you personally though lol

lol twitter and facebook if i want that i just go on my computer oh yeah thanks for naming all the gay games for the 360. ps3 gots mgs4 uncharted1,2 god of war 3 MAG resistance1.2 agent, heavy rain.gt5 little big planet killzone 2 ratchet and clank valkryie chroncles white knight chronicles plus last guardian made by shadow of the colussus team now do you want me to keep going

chriseph13

The funny thing is the PS3 does NOT have most of the games you mentioned, yet.

anyone arguing over video game company's or just games as a whole are just damn sad people- FACT

anyone arguing over video game company's or just games as a whole are just damn sad people- FACT

papi_lekker

[QUOTE="jakehouston88"]SONY IS KING!

clone01

[QUOTE="clone01"]

[QUOTE="jakehouston88"]SONY IS KING!

zytox

yes, even with portable consoles they are in dead last.

[QUOTE="lionsnakes"][QUOTE="DAZZER7"]

How is that backpedaling mate? If I see someone with a low level account, low post number and they start a thread, I make an automatic assumption on their credibility, especially if their thread is a 'rant' based thread and lets face it, you are ranting. Everyone knows Sony has lost market share, you don't need to create a new thread and put 'FACT' on the end of each sentence. :lol:

DAZZER7

I am not refuting your facts lol...is that really hard to miss?

I am pointing out your facts are obvious...is that hard to miss aswell?

I am also questioning the purpose of your thread based on your lack of credibility...is that difficult to understand?

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I would like you to tell me where I have attacked you personally though lol

[QUOTE="DAZZER7"]

[QUOTE="lionsnakes"]Everything I said was a fact. You have no argument to refute it so you're resorting to personal attacks against me because you can't take issue with anything I said because it's all true. Let's face it.lionsnakes

I am not refuting your facts lol...is that really hard to miss?

I am pointing out your facts are obvious...is that hard to miss aswell?

I am also questioning the purpose of your thread based on your lack of credibility...is that difficult to understand?

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I would like you to tell me where I have attacked you personally though lol

what he is trying to say (although indirectly) is that you could be just flame baiting, as you are such a low level and a lot of trolls tend to have around 10 low level accounbts, dont worry though (if you really arent a troll) all n00bs get treated like this, I did when I first joined. Once you build up your levels, friends and post count youll get a lot more respect around here :D

[QUOTE="lionsnakes"][QUOTE="DAZZER7"]

I am not refuting your facts lol...is that really hard to miss?

I am pointing out your facts are obvious...is that hard to miss aswell?

I am also questioning the purpose of your thread based on your lack of credibility...is that difficult to understand?

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I would like you to tell me where I have attacked you personally though lol

dragonfly110

what he is trying to say (although indirectly) is that you could be just flame baiting, as you are such a low level and a lot of trolls tend to have around 10 low level accounbts, dont worry though (if you really arent a troll) all n00bs get treated like this, I did when I first joined. Once you build up your levels, friends and post count youll get a lot more respect around here :D

Its going to take me 17000 posts to get friends?!:cry:

[QUOTE="DAZZER7"]

low level account - check

low post account - check

opinion based rant - check

Flambait - confirmed

lionsnakes

[QUOTE="zytox"][QUOTE="clone01"] actually, in the console race, sony is currently dead last.

dragonfly110

yes, even with portable consoles they are in dead last.

[QUOTE="dragonfly110"]

[QUOTE="zytox"] Does that include portable consoles?zytox

yes, even with portable consoles they are in dead last.

no actually it doesnt, 360 has had higher sales then PS3 all years, (counting in america that is.)

also with that argument if you r gonna count PS3 with PSP then you gotta count 360 with PC also which then, once again it is pwning them in sales :|

no actually it doesnt, 360 has had higher sales then PS3 all years, (counting in america that is.)

also with that argument if you r gonna count PS3 with PSP then you gotta count 360 with PC also which then, once again it is pwning them in sales :|

dragonfly110

[QUOTE="jakehouston88"]SONY IS KING!

clone01

[QUOTE="dragonfly110"]

no actually it doesnt, 360 has had higher sales then PS3 all years, (counting in america that is.)

also with that argument if you r gonna count PS3 with PSP then you gotta count 360 with PC also which then, once again it is pwning them in sales :|

zytox

no, he said that you should count PS3 with PSP sales, since they are both sony so I said you might as well count gaming PC sales with 360 sales too then since they are both microsoft. and I said in america since that is where I base the majority of my numbers from as we are the largest market for both of those systems, but even world wide then MS is beating Sony in sales.

I'm not really that interested in this topic but...

no, he said that you should count PS3 with PSP sales, since they are both sony so I said you might as well countgaming PC sales with 360 sales too then since they are both microsoft. and I said in america since that is where I base the majority of my numbers from as we are the largest market for both of those systems, but even world wide then MS is beating Sony in sales.

dragonfly110

WTF?

I'm not really that interested in this topic but...

[QUOTE="dragonfly110"]

no, he said that you should count PS3 with PSP sales, since they are both sony so I said you might as well countgaming PC sales with 360 sales too then since they are both microsoft. and I said in america since that is where I base the majority of my numbers from as we are the largest market for both of those systems, but even world wide then MS is beating Sony in sales.

Eternal_Sleeper

WTF?

Hahaha... So what if it's a Vaio PC??? Does if count for MS and Sony?? Give me a break with this thread in general and statments like the one quoted above specifically

[QUOTE="lionsnakes"]

Backpedaling. That's what I thought ;)JLF1

MS has gained Marketshare this gen

Those Multiplats you listed didn't go to the PS3 or Wii, they stayed with MS platforms.

but... nice try. and the TC is right about everything he said.... the "FACTS" he listed cannot be disputed, which is why we have so many people trying to talk about everything except the content of the OP.

[QUOTE="Eternal_Sleeper"]

I'm not really that interested in this topic but...

[QUOTE="dragonfly110"]

no, he said that you should count PS3 with PSP sales, since they are both sony so I said you might as well countgaming PC sales with 360 sales too then since they are both microsoft. and I said in america since that is where I base the majority of my numbers from as we are the largest market for both of those systems, but even world wide then MS is beating Sony in sales.

Mainframe52

WTF?

Hahaha... So what if it's a Vaio PC??? Does if count for MS and Sony?? Give me a break with this thread in general and statments like the one quoted above specifically

facepalm, you people are trying to make me out as a biased fanboy, this is not the case, I was trying to make a point that the PSPs sales should not be counted along with PS3s success as it is a different console, and since the PC has almost always been called...you know what theres no point, I am also done with this thread.

I wouldn't say they were the Champ, but they aren't the Chump either. I think they could be doing better, but they aren't doing that bad either. I actually thinkwe are about to see a big increase in PS3 sales doing the later part of this year, especially with the exclusives they have coming. I think they were smart not to drop the price and for what you get out of the box it is a really good deal. Blu-ray, built in wireless, reliable hardware, and free online are well worth the $$.

Let's look at all the things Sony has lost this gen. This is not opinion, it's fact. 1. Most of their marketshare: FACT 2. Billions of dollars: FACT 3. Nearly all of their third party exclusive franchises: FACT 4. Their place as the industry leader: FACT 5. Their lead in total AAA and AA reviewed games: FACT Let's face it, the only thing PS3 has going for it are Sony's first party titles, but the problem is 98% of the games on the console are multiplat, and for the most part they are inferior on the PS3. So basically 98% of your gaming on the PS3 is second rate. Even franchises like Metal Gear, which were thought to be exclusive to PS3 are coming to the 360, and sales of Sony's first party title sales have been underwhelming to say the least. Sony is a weak company at this point. They are losing money hand over fist. Even their waggle wand shown at E3 seemed like a joke, an afterthought cheap knockoff item coming as a last desperate effort from a company that has been brought to it's knees this generation by its peers. Proof that Sony no longer has the power to compete.lionsnakes

Remind me what franchises they lost besides tekken?

[QUOTE="jakehouston88"]SONY IS KING!

[QUOTE="lionsnakes"]Let's look at all the things Sony has lost this gen. This is not opinion, it's fact. 1. Most of their marketshare: FACT 2. Billions of dollars: FACT 3. Nearly all of their third party exclusive franchises: FACT 4. Their place as the industry leader: FACT 5. Their lead in total AAA and AA reviewed games: FACT Let's face it, the only thing PS3 has going for it are Sony's first party titles, but the problem is 98% of the games on the console are multiplat, and for the most part they are inferior on the PS3. So basically 98% of your gaming on the PS3 is second rate. Even franchises like Metal Gear, which were thought to be exclusive to PS3 are coming to the 360, and sales of Sony's first party title sales have been underwhelming to say the least. Sony is a weak company at this point. They are losing money hand over fist. Even their waggle wand shown at E3 seemed like a joke, an afterthought cheap knockoff item coming as a last desperate effort from a company that has been brought to it's knees this generation by its peers. Proof that Sony no longer has the power to compete.Animal-Mother

Remind me what franchises they lost besides tekken?

Let's look at all the things Sony has lost this gen. This is not opinion, it's fact. 1. Most of their marketshare: FACT 2. Billions of dollars: FACT 3. Nearly all of their third party exclusive franchises: FACT 4. Their place as the industry leader: FACT 5. Their lead in total AAA and AA reviewed games: FACT Let's face it, the only thing PS3 has going for it are Sony's first party titles, but the problem is 98% of the games on the console are multiplat, and for the most part they are inferior on the PS3. So basically 98% of your gaming on the PS3 is second rate. Even franchises like Metal Gear, which were thought to be exclusive to PS3 are coming to the 360, and sales of Sony's first party title sales have been underwhelming to say the least. Sony is a weak company at this point. They are losing money hand over fist. Even their waggle wand shown at E3 seemed like a joke, an afterthought cheap knockoff item coming as a last desperate effort from a company that has been brought to it's knees this generation by its peers. Proof that Sony no longer has the power to compete.lionsnakes

[QUOTE="lionsnakes"]Let's look at all the things Sony has lost this gen. This is not opinion, it's fact. 1. Most of their marketshare: FACT 2. Billions of dollars: FACT 3. Nearly all of their third party exclusive franchises: FACT 4. Their place as the industry leader: FACT 5. Their lead in total AAA and AA reviewed games: FACT Let's face it, the only thing PS3 has going for it are Sony's first party titles, but the problem is 98% of the games on the console are multiplat, and for the most part they are inferior on the PS3. So basically 98% of your gaming on the PS3 is second rate. Even franchises like Metal Gear, which were thought to be exclusive to PS3 are coming to the 360, and sales of Sony's first party title sales have been underwhelming to say the least. Sony is a weak company at this point. They are losing money hand over fist. Even their waggle wand shown at E3 seemed like a joke, an afterthought cheap knockoff item coming as a last desperate effort from a company that has been brought to it's knees this generation by its peers. Proof that Sony no longer has the power to compete.coltsfan4ever

If I have listed facts that you cannot refute, how does my credibility even come into question? You said in your first post that I gave an opinion based rant but that couldn't be further from the truth as all I stated were facts. Seems to me like you're just grasping at straws.lionsnakes

[QUOTE="clone01"]

[QUOTE="jakehouston88"]SONY IS KING!

kkevguy47k

[QUOTE="lionsnakes"]If I have listed facts that you cannot refute, how does my credibility even come into question? You said in your first post that I gave an opinion based rant but that couldn't be further from the truth as all I stated were facts. Seems to me like you're just grasping at straws.clone01

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]

[QUOTE="lionsnakes"]Let's look at all the things Sony has lost this gen. This is not opinion, it's fact. 1. Most of their marketshare: FACT 2. Billions of dollars: FACT 3. Nearly all of their third party exclusive franchises: FACT 4. Their place as the industry leader: FACT 5. Their lead in total AAA and AA reviewed games: FACT Let's face it, the only thing PS3 has going for it are Sony's first party titles, but the problem is 98% of the games on the console are multiplat, and for the most part they are inferior on the PS3. So basically 98% of your gaming on the PS3 is second rate. Even franchises like Metal Gear, which were thought to be exclusive to PS3 are coming to the 360, and sales of Sony's first party title sales have been underwhelming to say the least. Sony is a weak company at this point. They are losing money hand over fist. Even their waggle wand shown at E3 seemed like a joke, an afterthought cheap knockoff item coming as a last desperate effort from a company that has been brought to it's knees this generation by its peers. Proof that Sony no longer has the power to compete.lionsnakes

Remind me what franchises they lost besides tekken?

Besides beautiful katamari/ IDK about fatal inertia/ace combat and VF5 non of those other games were exclusive.

DMC 3 Was on PC

GTA:VC went to PC

AC I want a link for that. Big Link

Silent hill 2 went to PC and XBOX before this gen

Final fantasy PS2 only had two exclusive games. Whats the big whoop?

Metal Gear was never an Exclusive franchise either. You should really research.

imo doesnt mean much on this boardlionsnakes

[QUOTE="lionsnakes"][QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]

Remind me what franchises they lost besides tekken?

Animal-Mother

Besides beautiful katamari/ IDK about fatal inertia/ace combat and VF5 non of those other games were exclusive.

DMC 3 Was on PC

GTA:VC went to PC

AC I want a link for that. Big Link

Silent hill 2 went to PC and XBOX before this gen

Final fantasy PS2 only had two exclusive games. Whats the big whoop?

Metal Gear was never an Exclusive franchise either. You should really research.

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="lionsnakes"]If I have listed facts that you cannot refute, how does my credibility even come into question? You said in your first post that I gave an opinion based rant but that couldn't be further from the truth as all I stated were facts. Seems to me like you're just grasping at straws.lionsnakes

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]

[QUOTE="lionsnakes"] Just off the top of my head DMC - GTA (was exclusive on PS2 for nearly two years), - Assassin's Creed - Again, Newsweek revealed that Ubisoft had actually gone to Sony with an offer to make the game a PlayStation 3 exclusive. Although Sony did go through the trouble of asking Ubisoft to make it seem as if their multiplatform action game Assassin's Creed was indeed PS3 exclusive , it came out shortly after E3 that it would ship simultaneously on both platforms. - Final Fantasy - Metal Gear - Silent Hill - Virtua Fighter 5 - Ace Combat - Fatal Inertia - Beautiful Katamarilionsnakes

Besides beautiful katamari/ IDK about fatal inertia/ace combat and VF5 non of those other games were exclusive.

DMC 3 Was on PC

GTA:VC went to PC

AC I want a link for that. Big Link

Silent hill 2 went to PC and XBOX before this gen

Final fantasy PS2 only had two exclusive games. Whats the big whoop?

Metal Gear was never an Exclusive franchise either. You should really research.

Yet you still cant explain the other games that went Multiplat last gen. Your using almost 5-6 years ago as ownage?

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="lionsnakes"]imo doesnt mean much on this boardlionsnakes

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="lionsnakes"]PS2 had the most A's, AA's and AAA's by far in terms of home consoles, this generation, however, the 360 has more. So Sony has fallen behind in terms of games as well.lionsnakes

Counting only exclusives and AAAe is fanboy logic. As a gamer I want the console with the most good games period. PS2 was WAY AHEAD in terms of everything last gen, and the very fact that those defending the PS3 have to resort to things like "PS3 is almost equal in AAAe" just goes to show how much Sony has gone backwards with the PS3 vs. where they were with PS2.lionsnakes