Sony loses $312 million in Q1 2012

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#1 Vari3ty
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Source: TheVerge

Sony has announced its financial results for the first quarter of its fiscal year, and as expected for a company in transition they don't make for pleasant reading-- it managed to lose $312 million off sales of $19.2 billion. Sony actually increased its sales year-on-year by 1.4 percent, attributed to the consolidation of Sony Mobile, but $143 million in restructuring costs caused operating income to slide from $270 million to $79 million. Together with the high yen and unstable situation in Europe, the company has downgraded its operating profit forecast for the year from $2.29 billion to $1.66 billion.

The company's few profitable areas right now are its imaging, components, and music businesses, while the gaming, home entertainment, and mobile divisions are all making losses. The games division in particular was disappointing, with sales falling 14.5 percent and the PS Vita not doing much to stop the business slip into the red. However, despite a decline in sales the TV business is actually bleeding less money than this time last year, likely due to efforts Sony is making to streamline the category. The imaging division, too, is one of the company's recent success stories with high-end cameras contributing to profits of $160 million. The company says it is "proceeding steadily with efforts to transform our business structure," but shareholders will no doubt have to be patient.

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Ouch. Looks like Hirai's forecast of Sony turning a profit this year might not be true...

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Sony is doooooooooooomed!!!

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Things are not looking good, I hope they recover ...

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And yet...more exclusives keep on coming. Let the jelly begin. :cool:
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How many quarters in a row have they been losing money? Geez
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#6 ebrezzy1
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so without looking at the total figure in loses it seems Sony is making the right moves

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So they are on the right track.

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Get your sh*t together, Sony
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Sony will be fine, but the cows are dooomed! Lems celebrate! Sheep, noone cares about them anymore
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#10 j_assassin
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Sony should take advice from the SW posters!
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And yet...more exclusives keep on coming. Let the jelly begin. :cool:ispeakfact
Dude, journalist have been saying this over and over again but no body is buying these exclusives anymore. I mean part of the issue is Sony's horrible marketing but the other for sure is gamers passive aggressive appetite that, quite honestly--can never be fulfilled. Again, no one buys the games, the masses say they want new fresh ideas but Call of Duty, AC...ect are what they play. Its one of the biggest reasons why Sony's gaming division has gone down (the other being the obvious pink elephant in the room)

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I hate to hear them losing that much. Hope they come back and come back strong.

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Don't understand why they don't just cut their losses and ditch the parts of the company that is clearly bleeding money, **** the TV section focus on the things your good at. Their whole company needs a complete turn over, I mean seriously who the hell manages their marketing team ?

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R.I.P Sony
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these doom comments
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#16 SolidTy
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That can't be true, I sent them a check for $21.61 a month ago.

I know it went through because a Mr. Cesar Sony from CA cashed the check. I hope he reports that to TheVerge.

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Sony, going out of business since 2005:D

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That's why I think Kaz Hirai promotion is a good thing, the previous CEO was making all the wrong moves.

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Don't understand why they don't just cut their losses and ditch the parts of the company that is clearly bleeding money, **** the TV section focus on the things your good at. Their whole company needs a complete turn over, I mean seriously who the hell manages their marketing team ?

Blake135
Well actually because they were good at selling TVs they tried incorporating features from their products on to the PS3 which turned out for the worst. In the beginning Sony failed to make a unique product and they came out with a console late and it was expensive. They overprice all their damn systems because they want to put other stuff they use on their console. But I really do like the quality of the games on the PS3 and they improved their system quickly with updates and all that jazz.
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Sony should take advice from the SW posters!j_assassin
Best post in this thread.

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so they're losses are decreasing? what did they lose last quarter?

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eh not that bad

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Strange how Sony bleeds money yet still puts out plenty of games. Its amazing how MS makes money but can only manage 1 or 2 core exclusives each year

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Strange how Sony bleeds money yet still puts out plenty of games. Its amazing how MS makes money but can only manage 1 or 2 core exclusives each year

BPoole96
Sony has many more divisions then microsoft, and they also gross so much more money, but when you're grossing so much money and you're not succeeding it can look bad, sony actually make's more money then microsoft, they just don't make any revenue
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And yet...more exclusives keep on coming. Let the jelly begin. :cool:ispeakfact

more? judging by the PS3's exclusives in 2012 I think you mean less

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[QUOTE="ispeakfact"]And yet...more exclusives keep on coming. Let the jelly begin. :cool:rilpas

more? judging by the PS3's exclusives in 2012 I think you mean less

did he say 2012? if you count 2013 sony has many more...
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[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="ispeakfact"]And yet...more exclusives keep on coming. Let the jelly begin. :cool:DrewMcintyre619

more? judging by the PS3's exclusives in 2012 I think you mean less

did he say 2012? if you count 2013 sony has many more...

what does it have confirmed for 2013?

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[QUOTE="DrewMcintyre619"][QUOTE="rilpas"]

more? judging by the PS3's exclusives in 2012 I think you mean less

rilpas

did he say 2012? if you count 2013 sony has many more...

what does it have confirmed for 2013?

last of us beyond to souls god of war then if you combine it with the 2012 list you got Playstation all stars Little big planet karting Dust 514 Sly Cooper - theives in time and well i forgot the rest, i'm a nintendo fan
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[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="DrewMcintyre619"] did he say 2012? if you count 2013 sony has many more...DrewMcintyre619

what does it have confirmed for 2013?

last of us beyond to souls god of war then if you combine it with the 2012 list you got Playstation all stars Little big planet karting Dust 514 Sly Cooper - theives in time and well i forgot the rest, i'm a nintendo fan

three games for 2013? not a very impressive list

specially considering how 2012 so far has been the weakest year the PS3 has ever had

so I guess I stand by my statement, judging by 2012 and 2013 sony is already skimping on the games

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I hate to say it, but... isnt this good news?

black_knight_tis_but_a_flesh_wound_card-

I think this applies here.

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[QUOTE="DrewMcintyre619"][QUOTE="rilpas"]

what does it have confirmed for 2013?

rilpas

last of us beyond to souls god of war then if you combine it with the 2012 list you got Playstation all stars Little big planet karting Dust 514 Sly Cooper - theives in time and well i forgot the rest, i'm a nintendo fan

three games for 2013? not a very impressive list

specially considering how 2012 so far has been the weakest year the PS3 has ever had

so I guess I stand by my statement, judging by 2012 and 2013 sony is already skimping on the games

might not be as good as pc, but better then 360, and it's late into the console cycle this is obvious
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[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

Strange how Sony bleeds money yet still puts out plenty of games. Its amazing how MS makes money but can only manage 1 or 2 core exclusives each year

DrewMcintyre619

Sony has many more divisions then microsoft, and they also gross so much more money, but when you're grossing so much money and you're not succeeding it can look bad, sony actually make's more money then microsoft, they just don't make any revenue

MS actually has more first party studios than Sony does now. Source

There really is no excuse for MS to give their userbase these insane droughts of no exclusives every year.

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[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="DrewMcintyre619"] last of us beyond to souls god of war then if you combine it with the 2012 list you got Playstation all stars Little big planet karting Dust 514 Sly Cooper - theives in time and well i forgot the rest, i'm a nintendo fanDrewMcintyre619

three games for 2013? not a very impressive list

specially considering how 2012 so far has been the weakest year the PS3 has ever had

so I guess I stand by my statement, judging by 2012 and 2013 sony is already skimping on the games

might not be as good as pc, but better then 360, and it's late into the console cycle this is obvious

at this point even the 3DO is better then 360's 2013 line-up

but that doesn't mean the PS3's line-up is good

in fact, so far it looks terrible

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[QUOTE="DrewMcintyre619"][QUOTE="rilpas"]

what does it have confirmed for 2013?

rilpas

last of us beyond to souls god of war then if you combine it with the 2012 list you got Playstation all stars Little big planet karting Dust 514 Sly Cooper - theives in time and well i forgot the rest, i'm a nintendo fan

three games for 2013? not a very impressive list

specially considering how 2012 so far has been the weakest year the PS3 has ever had

so I guess I stand by my statement, judging by 2012 and 2013 sony is already skimping on the games


Those three games will be amazing.

But add this one to the list as well:

Ni-no-Kuni-Wrath-of-the-White-Witch-scre

Ni No Kuni: Wrath Of The White Witch coming out in 2013 for PS3

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[QUOTE="DrewMcintyre619"][QUOTE="BPoole96"]

Strange how Sony bleeds money yet still puts out plenty of games. Its amazing how MS makes money but can only manage 1 or 2 core exclusives each year

BPoole96

Sony has many more divisions then microsoft, and they also gross so much more money, but when you're grossing so much money and you're not succeeding it can look bad, sony actually make's more money then microsoft, they just don't make any revenue

MS actually has more first party studios than Sony does now. Source

There really is no excuse for MS to give their userbase these insane droughts of no exclusives every year.

Firstly, two of the highest profile exclusives coming this year are on 360 :shock: Halo 4 & Forza Horizon also, I have no doubt that the exclusives being dev'ed for the last year or more are for the next gen MS console so unlike the PS3 launch with hardly any games worht playing at launch the next X will likely have a stellar line up of games for it's launch. Besides, you rarely here a 360 fan complain they haven't enough games to play cause we all know the awesome multiplats can't hardly be kept up with as it is unless you do nothing but game 24/7. :P

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[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

[QUOTE="DrewMcintyre619"] Sony has many more divisions then microsoft, and they also gross so much more money, but when you're grossing so much money and you're not succeeding it can look bad, sony actually make's more money then microsoft, they just don't make any revenueSecretPolice

MS actually has more first party studios than Sony does now. Source

There really is no excuse for MS to give their userbase these insane droughts of no exclusives every year.

Firstly, two of the highest profile exclusives coming this year are on 360 :shock: Halo 4 & Forza Horizon also, I have no doubt that the exclusives being dev'ed for the last year or more are for the next gen MS console so unlike the PS3 launch with hardly any games worht playing at launch the next X will likely have a stellar line up of games for it's launch. Besides, you rarely here a 360 fan complain they haven't enough games to play cause we all know the awesome multiplats can't hardly be kept up with as it is unless you do nothing but game 24/7. :P

forza is by anymeans not high profile, it's critically acclaimed, but commercially it's far off, plus with need for speed coming out "which is a bigger ip" forza will be the lost in the shuffle it will be a bigger commercial flop then all stars
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[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

MS actually has more first party studios than Sony does now. Source

There really is no excuse for MS to give their userbase these insane droughts of no exclusives every year.

DrewMcintyre619

Firstly, two of the highest profile exclusives coming this year are on 360 :shock: Halo 4 & Forza Horizon also, I have no doubt that the exclusives being dev'ed for the last year or more are for the next gen MS console so unlike the PS3 launch with hardly any games worht playing at launch the next X will likely have a stellar line up of games for it's launch. Besides, you rarely here a 360 fan complain they haven't enough games to play cause we all know the awesome multiplats can't hardly be kept up with as it is unless you do nothing but game 24/7. :P

forza is by anymeans not high profile, it's critically acclaimed, but commercially it's far off, plus with need for speed coming out "which is a bigger ip" forza will be the lost in the shuffle it will be a bigger commercial flop then all stars

Eh, opinions be like that... wrong that is. :twisted:

Anyhoo, Forza is widely recognized as the finest driver on consoles and this new one is the First FM to go open world so expect every car nut on 360 to pick up a copy - I know it's my 2nd most anticipated game only behind H4. :P

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[QUOTE="DrewMcintyre619"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]Firstly, two of the highest profile exclusives coming this year are on 360 :shock: Halo 4 & Forza Horizon also, I have no doubt that the exclusives being dev'ed for the last year or more are for the next gen MS console so unlike the PS3 launch with hardly any games worht playing at launch the next X will likely have a stellar line up of games for it's launch. Besides, you rarely here a 360 fan complain they haven't enough games to play cause we all know the awesome multiplats can't hardly be kept up with as it is unless you do nothing but game 24/7. :P

SecretPolice

forza is by anymeans not high profile, it's critically acclaimed, but commercially it's far off, plus with need for speed coming out "which is a bigger ip" forza will be the lost in the shuffle it will be a bigger commercial flop then all stars

Eh, opinions be like that... wrong that is. :twisted:

Anyhoo, Forza is widely recognized as the finest driver on consoles and this new one is the First FM to go open world so expect every car nut on 360 to pick up a copy - I know it's my 2nd most anticipated game only behind H4. :P

Forza 4 was really good, but microsoft hasn't mentioned the sales for the game at all, all we know is it sold 220k in it's first month which is pretty weak, even weaker then sony exclusives, plus with need for speed most wanted comming out "another open world racer" i don't think forza horizon will do all that good, plus a different dev is making the game.
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[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

[QUOTE="DrewMcintyre619"] forza is by anymeans not high profile, it's critically acclaimed, but commercially it's far off, plus with need for speed coming out "which is a bigger ip" forza will be the lost in the shuffle it will be a bigger commercial flop then all starsDrewMcintyre619

Eh, opinions be like that... wrong that is. :twisted:

Anyhoo, Forza is widely recognized as the finest driver on consoles and this new one is the First FM to go open world so expect every car nut on 360 to pick up a copy - I know it's my 2nd most anticipated game only behind H4. :P

Forza 4 was really good, but microsoft hasn't mentioned the sales for the game at all, all we know is it sold 220k in it's first month which is pretty weak, even weaker then sony exclusives, plus with need for speed most wanted comming out "another open world racer" i don't think forza horizon will do all that good, plus a different dev is making the game.

FMH though is the 1st open world for Forza so unlike going from FM3 to FM4, there will be major differences so I figure more driving fans will be more apt to pick this one up where they may have passed on FM4 and yeah, not T10 but the physics are said to be the same and that makes me :D but really, you make good points TBH so we'll just leave it as we shall see but the original point was that 360 does have Exclusives on the way this year and they're not just crappy Kinect games. :)

Oh and by the way, OT, that loss stinks for Sony so heres hoping things get better.

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[QUOTE="DrewMcintyre619"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]Eh, opinions be like that... wrong that is. :twisted:

Anyhoo, Forza is widely recognized as the finest driver on consoles and this new one is the First FM to go open world so expect every car nut on 360 to pick up a copy - I know it's my 2nd most anticipated game only behind H4. :P

SecretPolice

Forza 4 was really good, but microsoft hasn't mentioned the sales for the game at all, all we know is it sold 220k in it's first month which is pretty weak, even weaker then sony exclusives, plus with need for speed most wanted comming out "another open world racer" i don't think forza horizon will do all that good, plus a different dev is making the game.

FMH though is the 1st open world for Forza so unlike going from FM3 to FM4, there will be major differences so I figure more driving fans will be more apt to pick this one up where they may have passed on FM4 and yeah, not T10 but the physics are said to be the same and that makes me :D but really, you make good points TBH so we'll just leave it as we shall see but the original point was that 360 does have Exclusives on the way this year and they're not just crappy Kinect games. :)

Oh and by the way, OT, that loss stinks for Sony so heres hoping things get better.

Well i'm gunna get it :) i liek forza :P and it isn't all bad, sonys loss was much much smaller then before and many of there divisions made massive profits like there movie,game and music studios
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They are on the right track just need to trim some fat

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#43 SuperFlakeman
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so they're losses are decreasing? what did they lose last quarter?

painguy1

Actually Q1 2011 for Sony was profitable I think. So a step in the wrong direction, year over year wise.

"Sonys Q1 FY2011 operating income is ¥27.5 billion ($240m)"

http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2011/07/28/sony-q1-financials-not-pretty/

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And yet...more exclusives keep on coming. Let the jelly begin. :cool:ispeakfact
So youre suggesting that getting your nuts destroyed by a sledghammer is in no way as profound as the cookie you get when theyre done? Just want to make sure im actually laughing at you properly.
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Sony should have NEVER created the Cell. The Cell was the worst decision ever.

Blu-ray is the second worst decision. The fact is digital distribution is the future so a HD disc was pointless. If Sony didn't put the Cell or Blu-ray in the PS3 they could've sold it far cheaper and released it around the time the 360 was released instead of a year late.

I just mentioned the bad decisions with the Playstation; overall Sony is making bad decisions.

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#46 Chris_Williams
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yeah its going to take time for sony to get out of this situation but at least they are improving.

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#47 blue_hazy_basic  Moderator
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[QUOTE="DrewMcintyre619"][QUOTE="BPoole96"]

Strange how Sony bleeds money yet still puts out plenty of games. Its amazing how MS makes money but can only manage 1 or 2 core exclusives each year

Sony has many more divisions then microsoft, and they also gross so much more money, but when you're grossing so much money and you're not succeeding it can look bad, sony actually make's more money then microsoft, they just don't make any revenue

Shocking how many system warriors have no concept of what terms mean but will continue to post on a subject regardless. Revenue means how much money the company generates through sales. Profit = revenue minus expenses.
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#48 ispeakfact
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[QUOTE="ispeakfact"]And yet...more exclusives keep on coming. Let the jelly begin. :cool:TheEroica
So youre suggesting that getting your nuts destroyed by a sledghammer is in no way as profound as the cookie you get when theyre done? Just want to make sure im actually laughing at you properly.

It's not my job to work out Sony's financial issues. I'm not a Sony employee, neither is anyone here on sw. All I can do is play their games, which they have brought more, and more award winning games this gen than the competition. Jelly? :cool:
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#49 TheEroica  Moderator
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[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="DrewMcintyre619"][QUOTE="BPoole96"]

Strange how Sony bleeds money yet still puts out plenty of games. Its amazing how MS makes money but can only manage 1 or 2 core exclusives each year

Sony has many more divisions then microsoft, and they also gross so much more money, but when you're grossing so much money and you're not succeeding it can look bad, sony actually make's more money then microsoft, they just don't make any revenue

Shocking how many system warriors have no concept of what terms mean but will continue to post on a subject regardless. Revenue means how much money the company generates through sales. Profit = revenue minus expenses.

I read that too thinking "ahhh this is why system wars is entertainment only and void of logical thinkers". People claim to have so much insight and wisdom as to what will happen and they cant even comprehend basic concepts in accounting. Lovely.
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#50 Heil68
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Kaz says games are a muther fuking PILLAR of Sony and with that a special thanks is in order for Kazuo Hirai.  You have taken Ken's vision and molded into something beautiful. All the world's your stage. And all the men and women merely players: A non-doer is very often a critic-that is, someone who sits back and watches doers, and then waxes philosophically about how the doers are doing. It's easy to be a critic, but not you Kaz, no being a doer requires effort, risk, and change and you have done a nobel job. Bravo!  We all know PS4 is a go, lock and loaded. Strap one on guys, going to be pedal to the metal, strap on a ICBM, turn that sum biotch sideways and launch that muther fuking thrill ride. It will offer a barn bursting amount of world class, high scoring, meta game spreadsheet making games just like the PS3..Day fuking 1,,,