Sony refusing to take loss on PS4, $500-$600 price expected

[QUOTE="GoldenElementXL"]OK. You think Sony is only going to charge us what they paid for the ram??? The price difference between a GTX 680 with 2GB of GDDR5 and 4GB GDDR5 is $100 or more depending on where you buy it. Now again I know that isn't what it costs ASUS or EVGA, but the consumer pays more. tormentos

:lol:

Wow so you really know nothing about how the console market work,if sony charge people its consoles for even 1 dollar of profits on launch,the PS3 would have cost me like $851 dollars..:lol:

Yeah the price difference between a 16GB ipad and 32 ipad was also $100 dollars,does that mean i payed $100 more for dobling my android flash memory.?

Oh no i payed $23 dollars for a 32GB flash card,when apple charge $100 more just from 16 gb more...

GPU on PC are sold for a huge profits,because Nvidia doesn't sell games to make any loss on hardware,consoles don't work that wait period,learn something about how the console market work and then debate please.

So is that what you believe now? You are now moving into the "High end PC and $399" fanboy I was talking about a couple of pages ago. And from your last couple of posts you seem to think you will pay manufactuer price for the components in the PS4. I am beginning to think you don't understand how things work.GoldenElementXL

Did i say that.?

Because one thing is saying it has more weight seeing who is making the comment,and another to say yeah i agree 100%.

You don't have a clue of how the console market work,sony loss so much with the PS3 because the PS3 was an expensive piece of tech,it was a blu-ray player + next gen console for $600 and $500 dollars,lets do math.

Stand alone Blu-ray player =$1,000 on 2006 that include PC Blu-ray drives that were $999,so basically on 1 feature of the PS3 alone,you would spend on 2006 on PC to match it $999.

Next generation console.$300 to $400 for a 360,$1,000 or more if you wanted those graphics on PC,and that was a build it your self system without Blu-ray,since we stablish that Blu-ray on 2006 on PC was $999 dollars.

So to match what sony gave people for $600 dollars you either had to spend.

$300 to $400  for a 360 + a stand alone blu-ray player $1,000 which = $1,300 to $1,400

Or buy a PC with similar power $1,000 + a blu-ray drive $999 which = $2,000 dollars basically.

Now how can sony gave that for $500 or $600 how if by your logic they will they don't give you manufacturers price.

Sony on the PS3 game me for $600 way less than manufactures price,the PS3 cost them like $850 to make nd they sold it to me for $600 and $500.so yeah learn how the market work first then debate.

Oh my god are you seriously comparing Flash memory cost to GDDR5 RAM cost? GoldenElementXL

Nice try dude i compare how companies over price things to make profits..

[QUOTE="GoldenElementXL"]So is that what you believe now? You are now moving into the "High end PC and $399" fanboy I was talking about a couple of pages ago. And from your last couple of posts you seem to think you will pay manufactuer price for the components in the PS4. I am beginning to think you don't understand how things work.tormentos

Did i say that.?

Because one thing is saying it has more weight seeing who is making the comment,and another to say yeah i agree 100%.

You don't have a clue of how the console market work,sony loss so much with the PS3 because the PS3 was an expensive piece of tech,it was a blu-ray player + next gen console for $600 and $500 dollars,lets do math.

Stand alone Blu-ray player =$1,000 on 2006 that include PC Blu-ray drives that were $999,so basically on 1 feature of the PS3 alone,you would spend on 2006 on PC to match it $999.

Next generation console.$300 to $400 for a 360,$1,000 or more if you wanted those graphics on PC,and that was a build it your self system without Blu-ray,since we stablish that Blu-ray on 2006 on PC was $999 dollars.

So to match what sony gave people for $600 dollars you either had to spend.

$300 to $400  for a 360 + a stand alone blu-ray player $1,000 which = $1,300 to $1,400

Or buy a PC with similar power $1,000 + a blu-ray drive $999 which = $2,000 dollars basically.

Now how can sony gave that for $500 or $600 how if by your logic they will they don't give you manufacturers price.

Sony on the PS3 game me for $600 way less than manufactures price,the PS3 cost them like $850 to make nd they sold it to me for $600 and $500.so yeah learn how the market work first then debate.

 

and do you think sony isn't going to pass on the R&D costs, the advertising costs, manufacturing costs......etc.

you can't just assume

"oh its $50 for the ram and CPU, plus 150 for the other electrics, then $5 for a cardboard box = PS4 cost to me $300".

you are as clueless as everyone else about what the cost of the PS4 will be.

sts106mat

Yeah like the pass it on the PS1,PS2,PS3,PS Vita and PSP.

But what surprise me more if that is comes from a dude who claim out of fanboysm that the PS4 could be price as high as a $1,000...

Please the word clueless fits like a glove to you.:D

eltormo has completely lost his marbles damage controlling the weak sauce PS4 :lol:

There is a big difference between how the market works and how you hope it works for the PS4. There are so many things wrong with your post I won't even bother. (your blu ray example for instance.......just crazy) Lets just wait and see. The lower the price of the PS4 the better. Like I have said many times over I will be in line on launch day. But I am having a hard time seeing a less than $400 PS4.GoldenElementXL

Yeah my blu-ray example is wrong right because you say so,so were on PC you could get blu-ray cheap.?

What other way was of getting blu-ray if it wasn't on the PS3.?

Oh yeah stand alone.

Blu-ray was $1,000 dollars were ever you admit it or not,it was like that on both stand alone or PC drive.

The format war between Blu-Ray and HD-DVD has finally reached consumers, now that Samsung is shipping the BD-P1000 Blu-Ray player to retailers. The BD-P1000 ($999.99 list), will go on sale June 25th, making it the first Blu-Ray player to hit the market. Until now, the only high-definition video player shoppers could buy has been the Toshiba HD-A1, which has been in short supply.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,1977327,00.asp

Oh jeez.

What the hell am I reading?

I remember when Sony used to care about gamers and take big losses on all their consoles. Sad to see this.

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/155521-playtation-4-sony-announces-the-ps4-wont-be-sold-at-loss

robotapple

I like how whiny and entitled "gamers' have become when they cry and complain if a business isn't willing to sell a product at a loss.

Oh, and PS, only the PS3 was officially sold at a loss. PS1 was sold at a profit and the PS2 only lost money at launch due to currency changes. In all of console history, only the DC, Xbox, 360 and PS3 were intentionally released at a loss to the company. Possibly the WiiU but I can't find any confirmation on this. All other consoles launched at a profit. So losing money is not the norm and complaining that a company doesn't care about gamers because they don't lose money on their product at launch is just ignorant.

 

yeah they pass those costs on with every product you clampit.

no way. you know exactly what i meant, your sig was uploaded as a direct response to mine, not the other way around. you made the claim, i called you on it. i have not claimed the PS4 will be $1000.....your delusion knows no bounds.

sts106mat

Yeah they pass that cost to me in games i buy,on hardware no chance in hell and if you claim other wise you are an even bigger fanboy,the PS3 was sold at a huge loss,where the fu** sony pass the cost to me where.?

Now i think you are confuse it is MS who fu**ing pass any loss to you by charging you for online play not sony,you need a reality check,you are openly quoted as a fanboy who claimed out of pure fanboysm that the PS4 could cost as much as $1000..

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The PS4 is nothing like the PS3. The PS3 was almost a 1000$ per console, which they sold at 600$. It had BD, built in HDD, SD card reader, rechargable controller, WIFI, the expencive and advanced Cell CPU, which took years of development, and the crap GPU from Nvidia was probably expensive aswell. 

The PS4 is alot cheaper and smarter idea than the PS3 was, at least for the times we are in now. They use of the shelf components that they will pay alot less for than what you and I pay for, they go to great lengths to remove much of the usual bottlenecks, and they prioritate easier game development. The build quality and looks of the PS4 will still be excellent :).

Martin_G_N

I don't know why anybody is expecting it to be $600. There is nothing cutting edge in the box.DaBrainz

The APU is pretty cutting edge. But the point of the APU is to be cheaper yet more powerful. So cutting edge is defined by price vs. performance. 

[QUOTE="DaBrainz"]I don't know why anybody is expecting it to be $600. There is nothing cutting edge in the box.Wasdie

The APU is pretty cutting edge. But the point of the APU is to be cheaper yet more powerful. So cutting edge is defined by price vs. performance. 

Exactly.

Hell i don't even know how any one can look at the PS4 or 720 specs and think those machines could cost $500 dollars,what they have inside is cheap hardware,the PS4 has a $200 dollar GPU give or take,GDDR5 which has drop allot since the graph show by Tessellation to you,which showed the 580TX as a $500 GPU which mean it was from fall 2010,hell i think the controller look more expensive than ram,with al the bells and wistles..

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

 

Yeh sure :lol:

There is a magical thing in the world called inflation, which grew bigger than it was in 2006. So even if Sony sells PS4 for 500$, they will just make ends meet or probably sell it at a loss. I take into consideration cheeper componentes PS4 will have.

tormentos

There is a little thing call cheap materials which make you do stuff cheaper.

There is nothing expensive about the PS4 period,the most expensive part would probably be GDDR5 and i don't see it breaking $80 dollars who knows if much less,fact is the moment sony double then ammount of memory those ram chips become even cheaper to them.

Because if they planed to buy 10 million chips for the first 3 months at 4GB now they bought 20 millions for 3 months,i don't see GDDR5 been a problem.

The only thing you took in consideration for your comment was your blind biased hate for sony.

Yeh. Did you take into account manufacturing, shipping and retail margin :D ?

with the low end specs its not going to cost 500$

$429 is what's been rumored to be the cost. Sony used regular PC architecture which costs way less. 

Exactly.

Hell i don't even know how any one can look at the PS4 or 720 specs and think those machines could cost $500 dollars,what they have inside is cheap hardware,the PS4 has a $200 dollar GPU give or take,GDDR5 which has drop allot since the graph show by Tessellation to you,which showed the 580TX as a $500 GPU which mean it was from fall 2010,hell i think the controller look more expensive than ram,with al the bells and wistles..

tormentos

The thing still doesn't have the raw power of the modern GPUs and CPUs that PCs have. But for the cost the PS4 is a pretty solid machine. They were smart to go with AMD early on and use parts derived from PCs. Really saves them a lot of money. Their price/performance goes up quite a bit.

What's nice about dedicated gaming hardware is they can get away with a less power CPU and a motherboard and cooling design specifically for the machine. They can then mass produce just those parts. Brings the cost down considerably when compared to retail PC parts. 

The PS4 is definitely comparable to single GPU high-end PCs today. To call it weak is to be an ignorant fanboy. However when Nvidia launches their new line of GPUs they are already increasing the gap. Intel just launched their newest i7 line which is about 10% faster than the last. So the gaps are already increasing. 

[QUOTE="DaBrainz"]I don't know why anybody is expecting it to be $600. There is nothing cutting edge in the box.Wasdie

The APU is pretty cutting edge. But the point of the APU is to be cheaper yet more powerful. So cutting edge is defined by price vs. performance. 

Sony is aiming to get more gamers involved this time than with PS3. That's by making it more affordable too all and making it more social for those who want that. 

They can still sell a few buildings to make up for it.

TLHBO.

"Unlike PS3, we are not planning a major loss to be incurred with the launch of PS4."

Funny does that say it WON'T take a loss? All I see is they don't expect a MAJOR loss.

 

Yeh. Did you take into account manufacturing, shipping and retail margin :D ?

jhonMalcovich

Thatis part of all consoles,or did the PS3 say in th box assambly require .?

The PS3 had expensive components and also had manufacturing,shipping and retail,that is why companies like foxcom exist,cheap ass lavor.

they will have 3 models, $399, $499 and the beast at $599

Well this is in alignment of what I had in mind. No surprise here.

I think not having a new disc format will hurt PS4's chances to break through.

This and Nintendos awful start puts MS in a dream position. Let's see what they'll do with it.

Saying they will not take a large loss is much different from saying that they aren't going to take a loss at all. Technology has progressed far enough into this generation that the price for the tech is much lower. If SONY takes a loss it wil be for MUCH less per console than the PS3. I don't think anything was hard to understand about that. If they take a $50-$100 loss per console and can sell the console between $350-$550 things will be A LOT different this generation. PS3 did a lot of things wrong... however, the hype for the PS4 blows the hype for the PS3 out of the water. For good reason of course. I have not really seem a single thing so far aout the PS4 that I do not like... however, the same can not be said about the PS3. My hype for the PS3 was pretty low, and I picked up a PS3 when I could. However I am stoked for the PS4 andwill have one day one at midnight. I'm just waiting for gamestop to put them on pre-order, which I guess will either be 5-21-13 or 5-22-13. After E3 they will not have any reason not to place pre-orders.

Also, do you have like 17 different alts robotapple?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOHqG1nc_tw

Poor cows :lol:, it's the ps3 all over again.

There's no way it will be even over 500 Dollars. Why take that attitude, they haven't even announced it yet. If it's not an official announcement it's most likely bull.

I remember when Sony used to care about gamers and take big losses on all their consoles. Sad to see this.

 

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/155521-playtation-4-sony-announces-the-ps4-wont-be-sold-at-loss

robotapple

you mean the company with 8 billion loses the last 6 years that still provide solid support to PS3 users ... used to care ? We are not talking about Nintendo are we ?

WHAT THE .... !

, it's the ps3 all over again.speedfog

I remember when Sony used to care about gamers and take big losses on all their consoles. Sad to see this.

 

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/155521-playtation-4-sony-announces-the-ps4-wont-be-sold-at-loss

robotapple

It's most likely gonna be $399 for base model and $499 for premium. When they say they don't plan to take losses it doesn't mean it's gonna be $599, rather it means they won't be making the PS4 with expensive complicated tech like they did with the PS3. It's funny how stupid lems like the OP assume they mean it will be $599.I_can_haz

What is this complicated tech you speak of?  Teh Cell?  Blu-Ray?

[QUOTE="robotapple"]

I remember when Sony used to care about gamers and take big losses on all their consoles. Sad to see this.

 

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/155521-playtation-4-sony-announces-the-ps4-wont-be-sold-at-loss

blackace

Based on what the PS4 will cost $650 to make...

This is the 10 time i ask you this.....:lol:

The PS4 is build using cheap ass hardware,the only thing expensive or close is GDDR5,because even the CPU and GPU on an APU are say to be cheap.

[QUOTE="I_can_haz"]It's most likely gonna be $399 for base model and $499 for premium. When they say they don't plan to take losses it doesn't mean it's gonna be $599, rather it means they won't be making the PS4 with expensive complicated tech like they did with the PS3. It's funny how stupid lems like the OP assume they mean it will be $599.menes777

What is this complicated tech you speak of?  Teh Cell?  Blu-Ray?

Yep..

Cell was $100+ Blu-ray was the most expensive component on PS3 $120 or so,that without counting the $90 or $100 for the RSX,XDR Ram which was also very expensive and not use by any other company other than sony basically the same with Cell.

In CPU,GPU,Blu-ray and XDR the PS3 was close to $400 dollars,that did not included DDR3 which was the other pool of ram,cooling,case,power supply,mother board,wifi,media card read and the barrage of things it had,HDMI on 2006 wasn't standard either.

So yeah the PS3 was very expensive to make,compare to the PS4.

I see the system selling between $450 - $550. It definitely won't sell for $400 unless Sony decides to pull some things out of the system. blackace

They'll take a loss, but not a big one per unit. My prediction is that they'll have two versions. One will sell for 399 US Dollars, the other for 499 US Dollars.  I expect them to lose 100.00 per console, initially.  I think they lost 300.00 per PS3 initially. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOHqG1nc_tw

 

 

Poor cows :lol:, it's the ps3 all over again.

speedfog

It's most likely gonna be $399 for base model and $499 for premium. When they say they don't plan to take losses it doesn't mean it's gonna be $599, rather it means they won't be making the PS4 with expensive complicated tech like they did with the PS3. It's funny how stupid lems like the OP assume they mean it will be $599.I_can_haz