Sony: We Didn't Expect Bloodborne To Do This Well

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#51  Edited By silversix_
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@princeofshapeir said:
@legendofsense said:
@princeofshapeir said:

Nah man, it's a niche game. I know this because I stopped playing a few hours in. This was the same experience for everyone who bought the game I bet.

Yes, your experience = everyone's experience. I love the internet

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@princeofshapeir said:

Nah man, it's a niche game. I know this because I stopped playing a few hours in. This was the same experience for everyone who bought the game I bet.

Exactly what happened for me, I don't understand how someone could enjoy this.

Can't believe I actually have to spell out in bold text that I'm being sarcastic, holy fucking shit

best part is that you had BB in your sig and they thought you were serious lol

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#52 freedomfreak
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@charizard1605: IT'S ALL WRONG

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#53 Blabadon
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Yes, a game killed itself because its publisher advertised it to unexpected success.

I'm gonna report you for sexual misconduct because your post sucks dick.

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@freedomfreak said:

@charizard1605: IT'S ALL WRONG

WRONG!

NOTHING'S WRONG! YOU'RE WRONG

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@aroxx_ab said:

It is the best game for about 2-3days more until Witcher 3 comes out. 10/10 ...one of the best game ever made if believe Gamespot

I'm looking forward to playing it. But I have yet to play the previous game that got AAAA on Gamespot :O

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#56  Edited By Sollet
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Bloodborne thread...

*scrolls down*

@Nyadc meltdown.

Never fails to entertain me :)

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#57 NyaDC
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@Blabadon said:

Yes, a game killed itself because its publisher advertised it to unexpected success.

I'm gonna report you for sexual misconduct because your post sucks dick.

If you want to call a game selling well for a short period of hype and then the masses abandoning it within weeks when they figured out what it is all about a success then more power to you.

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#58 Blabadon
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@nyadc: Proof of it being abandoned?

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@nyadc said:
@Blabadon said:

Yes, a game killed itself because its publisher advertised it to unexpected success.

I'm gonna report you for sexual misconduct because your post sucks dick.

If you want to call a game selling well for a short period of hype and then the masses abandoning it within weeks when they figured out what it is all about a success then more power to you.

Can you actually prove the masses abandoned it? Say, with online population numbers?

For what it is worth, late game Trophies for Bloodborne seem to be at least Common, at worst Uncommon, indicating that almost everyone who started the game saw it through to at least the endgame.

You have literally no metrics to establish your point.

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#60  Edited By NyaDC
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@Blabadon said:

@nyadc: Proof of it being abandoned?

Do you see anybody actually talking about it anymore with the exception of these forced relevance threads and extremists like silversix?

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Goes for literally every game ever. Honestly, people stop talking quickly about the vast majority of games coming out.

Doesn't mean a thing on messageboards. Other stuff happens, other games release, so we go on and talk about that.

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@nyadc said:
@Blabadon said:

@nyadc: Proof of it being abandoned?

Do you see anybody actually talking about it anymore with the exception of these forced relevance threads and extremists like silversix?

I have Trophy rarities that establish that more than half the people saw the game through to the endgame.

I want your proof.

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@nyadc said:
@Blabadon said:

@nyadc: Proof of it being abandoned?

Do you see anybody actually talking about it anymore with the exception of these forced relevance threads and extremists like silversix?

Only Nic Cage can save us at this point. You went way too far, you're on your own there, good luck.

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@nyadc: LOL A MESSAGE BOARD IS YOUR PROOF

gg bro 11/10 dumbass posting. Almost lostrib level dumb.

And the answer is yes. I have seen it being talked about. By Sony. Telling you to eat crow. :)

One million in ten days, 93 Metacritic.

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@freedomfreak said:

Goes for literally every game ever. Honestly, people stop talking quickly about the vast majority of games coming out.

Doesn't mean a thing on messageboards. Other stuff happens, other games release, so we go on and talk about that.

For a game that's barely over a month old, this 'huge phenomenal success' and a 1 million plus seller, you don't find it odd that discussion about it has been a ghost town for about a month?

People will be talking about Uncharted 4 and Halo 5 around here daily for like a year, the game fell off dude, it sold to a bunch of people who didn't know what in the hell they were buying into, it's simple.

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#66  Edited By deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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a) Good job on ignoring me, when I provided a metric that proved you wrong

b) What I don't understand is why this game's success bothers you so much. You don't like it, fine, go your way and enjoy whatever you do enjoy. Why does it kill you that this game is enjoyed by a significant number of people?

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#67 freedomfreak
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@nyadc: Uhm.. No. That happens all the time. There's nothing special in Bloodborne's case. That's the way it works here. Messageboards in general, really.

NyaDConjecture is what you should've gone with, man. Seriously.

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@charizard1605 said:

a) Good job on ignoring me, when I provided a metric that proved you wrong

b) What I don't understand is why this game's success bothers you so much. You don't like it, fine, go your way and enjoy whatever you do enjoy. Why does it kill you that this game is enjoyed by a significant number of people?

You haven't provided shit, you posted something with nothing even backing it up but your word, and not only that you know it's a metric that I am incapable of providing as that data is impossible to acquire and are using that as a red herring for your argument when it's possible that I'm not incorrect.

Give me a break, jokes...

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@nyadc said:
@charizard1605 said:

a) Good job on ignoring me, when I provided a metric that proved you wrong

b) What I don't understand is why this game's success bothers you so much. You don't like it, fine, go your way and enjoy whatever you do enjoy. Why does it kill you that this game is enjoyed by a significant number of people?

You haven't provided shit, you posted something with nothing even backing it up but your word, and not only that you know it's a metric that I am incapable of providing as that data is impossible to acquire and are using that as a red herring for your argument when it's possible that I'm not incorrect.

Give me a break, jokes...

Check the Trophy rarities yourself?

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#70  Edited By NyaDC
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@charizard1605 said:
@nyadc said:
@charizard1605 said:

a) Good job on ignoring me, when I provided a metric that proved you wrong

b) What I don't understand is why this game's success bothers you so much. You don't like it, fine, go your way and enjoy whatever you do enjoy. Why does it kill you that this game is enjoyed by a significant number of people?

You haven't provided shit, you posted something with nothing even backing it up but your word, and not only that you know it's a metric that I am incapable of providing as that data is impossible to acquire and are using that as a red herring for your argument when it's possible that I'm not incorrect.

Give me a break, jokes...

Check the Trophy rarities yourself?

That's not my job, I want you to provide your evidence and explain it, your burden of proof does not fall upon me.

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#71  Edited By deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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@nyadc said:
@charizard1605 said:
@nyadc said:
@charizard1605 said:

a) Good job on ignoring me, when I provided a metric that proved you wrong

b) What I don't understand is why this game's success bothers you so much. You don't like it, fine, go your way and enjoy whatever you do enjoy. Why does it kill you that this game is enjoyed by a significant number of people?

You haven't provided shit, you posted something with nothing even backing it up but your word, and not only that you know it's a metric that I am incapable of providing as that data is impossible to acquire and are using that as a red herring for your argument when it's possible that I'm not incorrect.

Give me a break, jokes...

Check the Trophy rarities yourself?

That's not my job, I want you to provide your evidence and explain it, your burden of proof does not fall upon me.

I have given you the proof. Beyond this, if you want to verifymy proof, feel free to boot up your PS4, go to the Trophies app, and verify this yourself.

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@charizard1605 said:
@nyadc said:
@charizard1605 said:
@nyadc said:
@charizard1605 said:

a) Good job on ignoring me, when I provided a metric that proved you wrong

b) What I don't understand is why this game's success bothers you so much. You don't like it, fine, go your way and enjoy whatever you do enjoy. Why does it kill you that this game is enjoyed by a significant number of people?

You haven't provided shit, you posted something with nothing even backing it up but your word, and not only that you know it's a metric that I am incapable of providing as that data is impossible to acquire and are using that as a red herring for your argument when it's possible that I'm not incorrect.

Give me a break, jokes...

Check the Trophy rarities yourself?

That's not my job, I want you to provide your evidence and explain it, your burden of proof does not fall upon me.

I have given you the proof. Beyond this, if you want to verifymy proof, feel free to boot up your PS4, go to the Trophies app, and verify this yourself.

You have not done this.

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Boot up your PS4. I gave you proof.

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@charizard1605 said:

Boot up your PS4. I gave you proof.

I'm not only not in a position to at the moment, I'm not obliged to. I'm holding you to the same standards that the internet requires for any unsubstantiated claim, you have to provide the evidence, not send the other person on a hunt to track down what you're claiming.

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@nyadc: So, you haven't booted up Bloodborne on your Ps4? Seems so.

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@nyadc: So, you haven't booted up Bloodborne on your Ps4? Seems so.

What?

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#77  Edited By deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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@nyadc said:
@charizard1605 said:

Boot up your PS4. I gave you proof.

I'm not only not in a position to at the moment, I'm not obliged to. I'm holding you to the same standards that the internet requires for any unsubstantiated claim, you have to provide the evidence, not send the other person on a hunt to track down what you're claiming.

I can't switch on your damn console for you. If you can't do it now, do it when you go home.

Better still, download the PlayStation app on your smartphone and check your Trophies there.

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@nyadc: Can't be hard to check the trophies if you have booted up the game just once.

Honestly, you're always first in line when it comes to posting about the stuff you own. Nobody asks, and you still do it. Hell, you had a signature and avatar dedicated to it. Why hesitant now?

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@freedomfreak said:

@nyadc: Can't be hard to check the trophies if you have booted up the game just once.

Honestly, you're always first in line when it comes to posting about the stuff you own. Nobody asks, and you still do it. Hell, you had a signature and avatar dedicated to it. Why hesitant now?

Because it's not currently here, a friend is borrowing it.

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#80 freedomfreak
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@nyadc: You could've mentioned that many, many posts ago.

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@nyadc: You could've mentioned that many, many posts ago.

Why does it even matter where my PlayStation 4 is? I asked Char to post this evidence and he kept refusing, it's not my job.

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#82 freedomfreak
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@nyadc: Nah, I'm just wondering why you didn't say that in the first place about your friend having it. Char wouldn't have gone on about it then. Neither would I, but now we know, so it's all good.

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@nyadc said:
@freedomfreak said:

@nyadc: Can't be hard to check the trophies if you have booted up the game just once.

Honestly, you're always first in line when it comes to posting about the stuff you own. Nobody asks, and you still do it. Hell, you had a signature and avatar dedicated to it. Why hesitant now?

Because it's not currently here, a friend is borrowing it.

Check them on the smartphone app. Use your PS Vita (I don't remember if you have one). Use your PS3 (this you do have).

It takes five seconds.

For reference- the Witches of Hermwick battle trophy is common. That is considered roughly halfway into the game. Common Trophies are 75% of the people who booted the game got them and higher.

The Rom battle trophy is Rare. This trophy initiates the endgame. Rare Trophies are 33%.

This means at least a third of the people got through to the endgame of Bloodborne.

For comparison's sake one in ten people got through to Mass Effect's endgame, according to Bioware. Is Mass Effect also niche, NyaDC?

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Oh right. Forgot about that.

You're not off the hook yet, Nya!

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@nyadc: your meltdowns are hilarious. Just saying.

Just to further Charizard's point here, according to trophies 35% of people have seen the ending of Bloodborne. That's more than Far Cry 4 (32% trophy rarity) and Call of Duty AW (27%). The platinum trophy for Bloodborne is also 10x more common than COD AW (4% to 0.4%) even though both platinums take roughly the same number of hours.

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@_Matt_ said:

@nyadc: your meltdowns are hilarious. Just saying.

Just to further Charizard's point here, according to trophies 35% of people have seen the ending of the game. That's more than Far Cry 4 (32% trophy rarity) and Call of Duty AW (27%). The platinum trophy for Bloodborne is always 10x more common than the AW (4% to 0.4%) even though both platinums take roughly the same number of hours.

Those are some pretty decent numbers for a game that so many people bought and returned straight away :o

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@soulitane: yeah they must have all hacked the game.

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@soulitane: yeah they must have all hacked the game.

Definitely, there's no other way, they all found the game way too hard.

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@_Matt_ said:

@nyadc: your meltdowns are hilarious. Just saying.

Just to further Charizard's point here, according to trophies 35% of people have seen the ending of Bloodborne. That's more than Far Cry 4 (32% trophy rarity) and Call of Duty AW (27%). The platinum trophy for Bloodborne is also 10x more common than COD AW (4% to 0.4%) even though both platinums take roughly the same number of hours.

Far Cry 4, Call of Duty & Mass Effect have god knows how many more players, you can't correlate their finishing percentage rates to Bloodborne, a Souls game with a cult following who is guaranteed to see the game to the end...

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I am curious @nyadc, care to share your PSN name?

I mean you always flaunt your steam account name.

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@nyadc said:
@_Matt_ said:

@nyadc: your meltdowns are hilarious. Just saying.

Just to further Charizard's point here, according to trophies 35% of people have seen the ending of Bloodborne. That's more than Far Cry 4 (32% trophy rarity) and Call of Duty AW (27%). The platinum trophy for Bloodborne is also 10x more common than COD AW (4% to 0.4%) even though both platinums take roughly the same number of hours.

Far Cry 4, Call of Duty & Mass Effect have god knows how many more players, you can't correlate their finishing percentage rates to Bloodborne, a Souls game with a cult following who is guaranteed to see the game to the end...

Which negates your point that the people who bought the game didn't play it beyond the first few hours.

Are we done here?

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I wonder how many of that million+ returned it after they realised what kind of game it was.

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I wonder how many of that million+ returned it after they realised what kind of game it was.

Ah, another one.

Read the second page of this thread to avoid ownage being doled out to you.

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@charizard1605 said:
@nyadc said:
@_Matt_ said:

@nyadc: your meltdowns are hilarious. Just saying.

Just to further Charizard's point here, according to trophies 35% of people have seen the ending of Bloodborne. That's more than Far Cry 4 (32% trophy rarity) and Call of Duty AW (27%). The platinum trophy for Bloodborne is also 10x more common than COD AW (4% to 0.4%) even though both platinums take roughly the same number of hours.

Far Cry 4, Call of Duty & Mass Effect have god knows how many more players, you can't correlate their finishing percentage rates to Bloodborne, a Souls game with a cult following who is guaranteed to see the game to the end...

Which negates your point that the people who bought the game didn't play it beyond the first few hours.

Are we done here?

I said the mainstream crowd, the bulk of the sales abandoned the game, I don't know what you're talking about a few hours for?

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@nyadc said:
@charizard1605 said:
@nyadc said:
@_Matt_ said:

@nyadc: your meltdowns are hilarious. Just saying.

Just to further Charizard's point here, according to trophies 35% of people have seen the ending of Bloodborne. That's more than Far Cry 4 (32% trophy rarity) and Call of Duty AW (27%). The platinum trophy for Bloodborne is also 10x more common than COD AW (4% to 0.4%) even though both platinums take roughly the same number of hours.

Far Cry 4, Call of Duty & Mass Effect have god knows how many more players, you can't correlate their finishing percentage rates to Bloodborne, a Souls game with a cult following who is guaranteed to see the game to the end...

Which negates your point that the people who bought the game didn't play it beyond the first few hours.

Are we done here?

I said the mainstream crowd, the bulk of the sales abandoned the game, I don't know what you're talking about a few hours for?

Your initial post was in agreement with a post that said the game beyond the first few hours was unenjoyable, stating 'you don't understand how anyone could enjoy the game.'

You then tried arguing the mainstream sales angle, wherein Bloodborne's sales were established as decidedly not niche. You then tried to argue the audience engagement angle, where that was also decided to be 'mainstream' enough. Now you are back to sales

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#96 inggrish
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@nyadc: and again is proven the bulk of the sales (ie ratio) saw the game through as much as CoD, Far Cry and Mass Effect

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#97  Edited By NyaDC
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@charizard1605 said:
@nyadc said:
@charizard1605 said:
@nyadc said:
@_Matt_ said:

@nyadc: your meltdowns are hilarious. Just saying.

Just to further Charizard's point here, according to trophies 35% of people have seen the ending of Bloodborne. That's more than Far Cry 4 (32% trophy rarity) and Call of Duty AW (27%). The platinum trophy for Bloodborne is also 10x more common than COD AW (4% to 0.4%) even though both platinums take roughly the same number of hours.

Far Cry 4, Call of Duty & Mass Effect have god knows how many more players, you can't correlate their finishing percentage rates to Bloodborne, a Souls game with a cult following who is guaranteed to see the game to the end...

Which negates your point that the people who bought the game didn't play it beyond the first few hours.

Are we done here?

I said the mainstream crowd, the bulk of the sales abandoned the game, I don't know what you're talking about a few hours for?

Your initial post was in agreement with a post that said the game beyond the first few hours was unenjoyable, stating 'you don't understand how anyone could enjoy the game.'

You then tried arguing the mainstream sales angle, wherein Bloodborne's sales were established as decidedly not niche. You then tried to argue the audience engagement angle, where that was also decided to be 'mainstream' enough. Now you are back to sales

You really try hard to intrinsically tie things together as if they're one thing, that is a common trend with people on these forums and it's a huge annoyance...

Some guy said he couldn't bear to play past the first few hours and I said that's exactly how it was for me, then I said I don't understand how anyone could enjoy this game. After that the discussion shifted completely unrelated to that and went to niche, the definition of it, what we all think it means and then finally we got onto sales, fall off rates and mainstream abandonment.

God you suck...

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@nyadc: and again is proven the bulk of the sales (ie ratio) saw the game through as much as CoD, Far Cry and Mass Effect

35% is the bulk of 100%? Is it opposites day?

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Jesus, I should have followed my own advice when I said 'I'm done'

At least now I know not to take you seriously, though. I had thought you were far better and far more legitimate and credible than this.

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@charizard1605 said:
@nyadc said:
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Is Forza niche?

From a sales perspective sure, from a playability and accessibility standpoint, no.

I'd say that from a playibility and accessibility standpoint, a racing sim is far less accessible than a fantasy RPG that has you fighting Cthulhu.

Have to agree with you char. I doubt I'll buy Forza 6. FH2 has me all set. For the record I don't believe the Souls games are niche in any way any more. Going into the Gamestop on Flatbush ave the day after it came out and it was all anyone was talking about. For me, The Witcher is more my type of RPG but I love playing Soulsborne type as well.