Sony's first party games - all flash and no substance?

CLIFF NOTES because i'm tired of people posting aggressively toward me having not bothered to even read the post:

Sony's first party games almost always feature state-of-the-art technology powering them, but the gameplay seems to have a lower benchmark. Not to say that any of Sony's games are bad - far from it - however i feel the emphasis on making their games a showcase for the PS3's graphical capability is selling them short in terms of really innovative, outstanding gameplay and design. Instead, they release consistant and 'solid' games which garner good reviews and are generally enjoyed by those who play them, but which quickly die down in terms of general enthusiasm and interest in the game, much like a summer action-flick at the movies which, while fun to watch, leaves no lasting impression on the viewer.

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It seems to me that Sony's games just dont hold any interest in either System wars or the gaming community as a whole. If we take Killzone 2, easily the biggest blockbuster to hit the PS3 this year, and it's all but dead in just a couple of months. Halo 3 tops the Live charts week after week and is still discussed here pretty much daily, yet Killzone 2 appears to have had it's brief flash in the pan and then faded away in no time at all. I think this is because the game's graphics were its selling point. Once you'd seen it in action, admired the pretty effects and grown accustomed to them, there just isn't that much else to get you excited about the game.

Same with games like Ratchet and Clank and Uncharted. Decent enough gameplay, but real emphasis on the visuals. I think this approach adds up to generally dull games in the long-term. Take a movie like Wanted. Visually striking, and pretty fun while you're watching it, but once you're done it's completely forgettable. You dont want to go see it again. You dont want to go talk about it.

Take Little Big Planet - remember how that game was going to rule the world? What happened? It fizzled out in a matter of weeks.

I think Sony are trying to hard to convince gamers that their system is the 'premium' piece of tech by investing so much in graphics and effects, often at the behest of truly outstanding gameplay. So long as it looks fantastic, and plays competently enough, they seem happy to release the game, and people want something more than that.

EDIT:

I'm not saying Sony game suck by any means, nor is this a simple matter of total threads on system wars per day.

I'd say this applies to games across all platforms this generation.

Like I've said before-the fact Sony are ramping up first party development is commendable,but none of their games bar GT and possibly GOW hold any interest in the wider gaming community.

Like you pointed out the buzz for the likes of KZ2 has pretty much died out,after like 2 months of release.(This was a game in development for the best part of a half-decade.)

I like the fact Sony are doing what they are doing,but they are failing at it imo,and its a strategy thats surely unsustainable when you take into account the losses SCE are incurring due to the PS3 and when you consider the wider economic sitiuation.

You shouldn't be upset that PS3 games play great and happen to look great too.

Like I've said before-the fact Sony are ramping up first party development is commendable,but none of their games bar GT and possibly GOW hold any interest in the wider gaming community.

Like you pointed out the buzz for the likes of KZ2 has pretty much died out,after like 2 months of release.(This was a game in development for the best part of a half-decade.)

I like the fact Sony are doing what they are doing,but they are failing at it imo,and its a strategy thats surely unsustainable when you take into account the losses SCE are incurring due to the PS3 and when you consider the wider economic sitiuation.

Your post makes no sense. I see people talking about Killzone, Uncharted and MGS4 all the time in these forums.EmperorSupreme

Well i seen three/four topics about sony first party games on the first page of this thread before i opened it (Killzone 2,inFAMOUS,MAG,GOW2Hence the slash) because it's last gen compared to the one 360 exclusive mass effect. So yeah they get talked about here.

[QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"]Your post makes no sense. I see people talking about Killzone, Uncharted and MGS4 all the time in these forums.Ninja-Hippo

I've played Killzone2 last day and i see plenty of people and matches online.. so i failed to see your point..

I've played Killzone2 last day and i see plenty of people and matches online.. so i failed to see your point..

___gamemaster__

I've played Killzone2 last day and i see plenty of people and matches online.. so i failed to see your point..

uncharted was a fantastic game but people talk about its graphics coz its simply the best looking console game

[QUOTE="PoppaGamer"]Wow, way off TC. Uncharted has one of the better stories and the BEST characters so far this gen. Heavenly Sword is one of the BEST stories this gen. LBP is deep as hell. etc, etc., etc. Yes, KZ2 is lacking in the story department but so are a lot of over-masculine shooters out there. Let's not use that one example to cover all, mmm-kay?Ninja-Hippo

I've played Killzone2 last day and i see plenty of people and matches online.. so i failed to see your point..

I see more straw-manning in this thread than in the average amateur political debate.

Anyway, What Hippo's kinda saying is that the overall enthusiasm for the games that are already out (with the exception of MGS4) for PS3 tends to drop off far more considerably than the enthusiasm for games on most other systems; people are largely still enthusiastic about Mass Effect, Halo 3, The Witcher, Sins of a Solar Empire, SMG, and Brawl, but the same can't really be said for games like Uncharted and Killzone 2 here; they often don't have the staying power of many other games.

[QUOTE="___gamemaster__"]

I've played Killzone2 last day and i see plenty of people and matches online.. so i failed to see your point..

Ninja-Hippo

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="PoppaGamer"]Wow, way off TC. Uncharted has one of the better stories and the BEST characters so far this gen. Heavenly Sword is one of the BEST stories this gen. LBP is deep as hell. etc, etc., etc. Yes, KZ2 is lacking in the story department but so are a lot of over-masculine shooters out there. Let's not use that one example to cover all, mmm-kay?PoppaGamer

[QUOTE="idontbeliveit"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] Did i say nobody plays Killzone? Did i say online is a ghost town? :?Ninja-Hippo

How are games like Uncharted, KZ2, LBP and others a "flash in the pan" when their online game communities and / or sales say otherwise? I cant help but notice the only 360 game you mentioned was Halo 3, which is an incredible blockbuster that hasnt been duplicated on the 360. It'd be like saying Gears of War 2 is a flash in the pan because it's getting out played on Xbox Live by COD4.

So no, Sony's first party games are not all flash and no substance. Rather, fanboys on System Wars are completely ridiculous and hype every piece of news Sony/MS/Nintendo have to offer. I do think cows hype the most, as there are countless "Playstation exclusive X is going to kill 360 exclusive Y". System Wars does not equate to the real world, or at least... I hope not.

It seems to me that Sony's games just dont hold any interest in either System wars or the gaming community as a whole. If we take Killzone 2, easily the biggest blockbuster to hit the PS3 this year, and it's all but dead in just a couple of months. Halo 3 tops the Live charts week after week and is still discussed here pretty much daily, yet Killzone 2 appears to have had it's brief flash in the pan and then faded away in no time at all. I think this is because the game's graphics were its selling point. Once you'd seen it in action, admired the pretty effects and grown accustomed to them, there just isn't that much else to get you excited about the game.

Same with games like Ratchet and Clank and Uncharted. Decent enough gameplay, but real emphasis on the visuals. I think this approach adds up to generally dull games in the long-term. Take a movie like Wanted. Visually striking, and pretty fun while you're watching it, but once you're done it's completely forgettable. You dont want to go see it again. You dont want to go talk about it.

Take Little Big Planet - remember how that game was going to rule the world? What happened? It fizzled out in a matter of weeks.

I think Sony are trying to hard to convince gamers that their system is the 'premium' piece of tech by investing so much in graphics and effects, often at the behest of truly outstanding gameplay. So long as it looks fantastic, and plays competently enough, they seem happy to release the game, and people want something more than that.

EDIT:

I'm not saying Sony game suck by any means, nor is this a simple matter of total threads on system wars per day.

Ninja-Hippo

I don't think Sony's games hold the spotlight because there are so many of them that are big name... as opposed to say Halo and Gears of War and Call of Duty 4... what else is played on Live?

Anyway... that said I don't think Killzone 2, WarHawk, or LittleBigPlannet are anywhere near dead... just not as talked about or played as the 300 ton gorrila that is Halo 3.

Nah, I just think they don't have followings as big as big time 360 games like Halo and Gears.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="idontbeliveit"] you basically said its all flash and no substance, which is ENTIRELY your opinion. i find that it has the most "flash" of any console game and a lot of substance, and apparently so do the million other people who are still playing it online. plus, it is still talkied about regularly here on SW.idontbeliveit

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]

It seems to me that Sony's games just dont hold any interest in either System wars or the gaming community as a whole. If we take Killzone 2, easily the biggest blockbuster to hit the PS3 this year, and it's all but dead in just a couple of months. Halo 3 tops the Live charts week after week and is still discussed here pretty much daily, yet Killzone 2 appears to have had it's brief flash in the pan and then faded away in no time at all. I think this is because the game's graphics were its selling point. Once you'd seen it in action, admired the pretty effects and grown accustomed to them, there just isn't that much else to get you excited about the game.

Same with games like Ratchet and Clank and Uncharted. Decent enough gameplay, but real emphasis on the visuals. I think this approach adds up to generally dull games in the long-term. Take a movie like Wanted. Visually striking, and pretty fun while you're watching it, but once you're done it's completely forgettable. You dont want to go see it again. You dont want to go talk about it.

Take Little Big Planet - remember how that game was going to rule the world? What happened? It fizzled out in a matter of weeks.

I think Sony are trying to hard to convince gamers that their system is the 'premium' piece of tech by investing so much in graphics and effects, often at the behest of truly outstanding gameplay. So long as it looks fantastic, and plays competently enough, they seem happy to release the game, and people want something more than that.

EDIT:

I'm not saying Sony game suck by any means, nor is this a simple matter of total threads on system wars per day.

tok1879

its because lemms doesnt get quality games lately so they bring up their 06-07 games while cows enjoys fresh new quality titles and upcomming ones.

[QUOTE="idontbeliveit"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] It's my opinion? Pointing out the obvious much? :? Is everything on this forum not somebody's opinion? Yuh-huh, this is my opinion. I think they concentrate too much on graphics and it results in games which dont stand the test of time and offer long-term fun to be had. Is your counter-arguement pointing out that that is my opinion? Because i know it is.thepwninator

how can say SW is dead. id say KZ2 is the most talked about (and argued about game) for years.thetruespin

[QUOTE="idontbeliveit"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] It's my opinion? Pointing out the obvious much? :? Is everything on this forum not somebody's opinion? Yuh-huh, this is my opinion. I think they concentrate too much on graphics and it results in games which dont stand the test of time and offer long-term fun to be had. Is your counter-arguement pointing out that that is my opinion? Because i know it is.thepwninator

The very fact that that thread even exists and comparable threads for Heavenly Sword don't is a testament to what Ninja-Hippo is saying.thepwninator

[QUOTE="thepwninator"]The very fact that that thread even exists and comparable threads for Heavenly Sword don't is a testament to what Ninja-Hippo is saying.Keltoid

[QUOTE="thepwninator"]The very fact that that thread even exists and comparable threads for Heavenly Sword don't is a testament to what Ninja-Hippo is saying.Keltoid

The only time I see halo pop up in SW is when its either sony vs ms or Halo VS KZ2 and even the crazyer Halo saved FPS genra,but besides that theres nothing els being said about it. I rather have the Halo topics and KZ2 topics kept in thier bords and not swarm over here.

[QUOTE="Keltoid"][QUOTE="thepwninator"]The very fact that that thread even exists and comparable threads for Heavenly Sword don't is a testament to what Ninja-Hippo is saying.bingbaocao

Actually when topics come up like "underrated games this gen" Folklore usually appears on someones list. I dont get how this reflects quality. I mean do you want me to shove the game down your throat or something?

[QUOTE="Keltoid"][QUOTE="thepwninator"]The very fact that that thread even exists and comparable threads for Heavenly Sword don't is a testament to what Ninja-Hippo is saying.bingbaocao