Sony's first party games - all flash and no substance?

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#151 Giancar
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So you're saying that all Sony first party games suck, Ninja Vox?

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no, read the whole thread
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#152 OldSkoolGamer04
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How is your fabricated measurement of post-release "buzz" an indicator of substance, anyway? I don't see the correlation.

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#153 Ninja-Hippo
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[QUOTE="Giancar"] "yet bring it to system wars and watch what happens to you" that's why I typed that nothing has really happened

Other than the absolute crapstorm of completely missing the point/ignoring it altogether? :P
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#154 Ninja-Hippo
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How is your fabricated measurement of post-release "buzz" an indicator of substance, anyway? I don't see the correlation.

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I read your last post and decided there was no point in getting into this.
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#155 deactivated-598fc45371265
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[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

So you're saying that all Sony first party games suck, Ninja Vox?

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Yes, that is what i'm saying. That is exactly what i said. All Sony first party games suck. :| *applies palm to face*

It seems to me that that's what you're implying. ;)

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#156 Ninja-Hippo
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

So you're saying that all Sony first party games suck, Ninja Vox?

Storm_Marine

Yes, that is what i'm saying. That is exactly what i said. All Sony first party games suck. :| *applies palm to face*

That seems to me that that's what you're implying. I'm sure Jandurin and Grinning Demon would agree if they were here.

I'm not familiar with Grinning Demon but Jandurin certainly wouldn't thanks to his odd habit of reading the things he comments on.
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#157 deactivated-598fc45371265
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[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

So you're saying that all Sony first party games suck, Ninja Vox?

Giancar

no, read the whole thread

You don't get the joke.

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#159 Giancar
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Giancar"] no, but it has an enourmous fanbase, based on all those variables besides the MGS series (which is one of my favorites all time) has almost 20 years of existence, Halo is in it's third iteration and in the most popular genre FPS LBP is in one of the most underrated one: platformers Besides, all the games you have mentioned have a way bigger fanbase, but that doesn't mean that the LBP is not big or great...nobody is stating that LBP has the biggest fanbase around videogames, but I am stating that it has a very big and consistent fanbase

Lots of games have consistent fanbases. Too Human is considered an epic failure by most, but it has a niche group of people who play it online in co-op and find all the loot religiously. Sony basically need to try and produce more games along the lines of MGS4 or Halo. Not games literally LIKE those, but games with more of an emphasis on the design and innovation behind it, and not so much on how to bush the graphical boundaries. They need to try and make more No Country for Old Men and less Fast and the Furious.

well I consider LBP like "no country for old men" different, risky for consoles, New in some degree for consoles...HR seems to go the route too, not a first party Sony game though, but a game Sony is somehow behind...same as AW and MS
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#160 Ninja-Hippo
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You don't get the joke.

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:lol: My bad. I forgot about that. Classic stuff. Apologies man. :P
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#162 deactivated-598fc45371265
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[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

You don't get the joke.

Ninja-Hippo

:lol: My bad. I forgot about that. Classic stuff. Apologies man. :P

There we go.

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#163 Ninja-Hippo
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[QUOTE="Giancar"] well I consider LBP like "no country for old men" different, risky for consoles, New in some degree for consoles...HR seems to go the route too, not a first party Sony game though, but a game Sony is somehow behind...same as AW and MS

That's a fair enough opinion. We obviously just see things from different perspectives.
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#164 Giancar
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Giancar"] "yet bring it to system wars and watch what happens to you" that's why I typed that nothing has really happened

Other than the absolute crapstorm of completely missing the point/ignoring it altogether? :P

to be fair you edited the thread to be more clear...
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#165 thepwninator
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]

[QUOTE="Couth_"]

If your not talking about that, then you have no way of guaging the lasting appeal of a game. On my friends list, the most platinumed game I have seen is Uncharted. Which would require multiple playthroughs.. Resistance Killzone and LBP have really big communities. The first Resistance community was strong all the way until the second came out.. So I don't know what you mean..

And I don't see how any other first party has any more 'substance', explain that to me

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Once again, if you actually READ the post there are plenty of ways to gauge the interest in a game. Online community, discussion/conversation, fanbase, DLC and patches, talk about the prospect of sequels. It's a general awareness of how 'big' a certain game is with the gaming community. And people can disagree, sure, and argue that they feel x game actually has quite a following behind it. I just dont think a lot of Sony's first party games do. MGS4, for example. Epic following. People adore that game. Months after release and people are still hyped about it. Halo 3. Same deal. People were in a frenzy trying to get mythic map packs. Half Life 2. Again, discusses daily, has a massive online following and a dedicated fanbase. What about Too Human? Um, not really. It came, it went away. Heavenly sword? Forgotten about. Little Big Planet? Great at the time, but not for long. Killzone? There was more interest for it BEFORE it came out than there was when it was released.

LBP has a very big fanbase, you can look by the new levels posted everyday! it has a lot of patches, weekly dlc, it is discussed a lot in videogame forums, the online community s awesome you are wrong with the LBP example

I haven't seen it mentioned much recently. In addition, I'd hazard a guess that if you tracked statistics of play time, the total amount of time spent on the game, as well as the length of the time blocks spent playing it, has decreased astronomically. Recently, I had a few friends of mine at college do a study on PS3 usage on their friends lists, just like the one I had them do back in November (I'm a bit OCD so I do things like that), and one of the things I found particularly interesting was the immense decline in LBP usage. Amongst the people on their friends lists, average play time per person has decreased to only about 15% of what it used to be. NOTE: due to the small sample sizes, these statistics may not be entirely accurate, and because they were not corrected for other factors (such as possible overall decreases in gaming time), it is quite possible that your results may vary.
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#166 Ninja-Hippo
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[QUOTE="Giancar"] to be fair you edited the thread to be more clear...

Yus, in an effort to decrease the aforementioned crapstorm of not reading the thread/giving what i said any reasonable consideration.
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#167 Giancar
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Giancar"] to be fair you edited the thread to be more clear...

Yus, in an effort to decrease the aforementioned crapstorm of not reading the thread/giving what i said any reasonable consideration.

well, you know the "market" in which you posted your thread :P
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#168 joopyme
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*still staring at Geow2* :P

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#169 Ninja-Hippo
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*still staring at Geow2* :P

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If you mean it also lacked long-term appreciated and following i'd agree. I did so earlier as well.
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#170 Ninja-Hippo
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[QUOTE="Giancar"] well, you know the "market" in which you posted your thread :P

I really dont like the excuse 'well this is system wars so its ok'. System wars is not a free pass to post like a child jacked up on too much sugar. I realise fanboyism plays an unfortunately common role here, but i find it very sad that people advise me to take such topics to boards run by other members such as Avant or GUFU because it's apparently become an accepted fact that unbiased, reasonable discussion is not allowed in system wars. Is that how far this board has really gone?
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#171 joopyme
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[QUOTE="joopyme"]

*still staring at Geow2* :P

Ninja-Hippo

If you mean it also lacked long-term appreciated and following i'd agree. I did so earlier as well.

glad to have caught your attention :P

still, the original post of yours was a little too opinionated ....

well worth the discussion though some people here in SW would quickly, heavily, disagree... in more ways than one :P

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#172 tok1879
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[QUOTE="tok1879"]

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]

It seems to me that Sony's games just dont hold any interest in either System wars or the gaming community as a whole. If we take Killzone 2, easily the biggest blockbuster to hit the PS3 this year, and it's all but dead in just a couple of months. Halo 3 tops the Live charts week after week and is still discussed here pretty much daily, yet Killzone 2 appears to have had it's brief flash in the pan and then faded away in no time at all. I think this is because the game's graphics were its selling point. Once you'd seen it in action, admired the pretty effects and grown accustomed to them, there just isn't that much else to get you excited about the game.

Same with games like Ratchet and Clank and Uncharted. Decent enough gameplay, but real emphasis on the visuals. I think this approach adds up to generally dull games in the long-term. Take a movie like Wanted. Visually striking, and pretty fun while you're watching it, but once you're done it's completely forgettable. You dont want to go see it again. You dont want to go talk about it.

Take Little Big Planet - remember how that game was going to rule the world? What happened? It fizzled out in a matter of weeks.

I think Sony are trying to hard to convince gamers that their system is the 'premium' piece of tech by investing so much in graphics and effects, often at the behest of truly outstanding gameplay. So long as it looks fantastic, and plays competently enough, they seem happy to release the game, and people want something more than that.

EDIT:

I'm not saying Sony game suck by any means, nor is this a simple matter of total threads on system wars per day.

Ninja-Hippo

. ...mmm, is Halo 3 really discussed more on SW than KZ2 these days? Because from what I see, it's quite the opposite.

Again, just rhetoric talking around a point. Dont jump on it and make this into 'which game gets the most threads per day'. That wasn't my point.

Okay, i guess, you can consider me confused now. I'ld think the one being discussed more would have the more threads than the other? Is my reasoning wrong?
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#173 Giancar
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Giancar"] well, you know the "market" in which you posted your thread :P

I really dont like the excuse 'well this is system wars so its ok'. System wars is not a free pass to post like a child jacked up on too much sugar. I realise fanboyism plays an unfortunately common role here, but i find it very sad that people advise me to take such topics to boards run by other members such as Avant or GUFU because it's apparently become an accepted fact that unbiased, reasonable discussion is not allowed in system wars. Is that how far this board has really gone?

nah, there are some great posters over here.. and most of GUFU and Avant posters are SW lurkers or psters... but this place is filled with fanboys too...and this isn't an excuse..it's reality :?
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[QUOTE="Giancar"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Giancar"] well, you know the "market" in which you posted your thread :P

I really dont like the excuse 'well this is system wars so its ok'. System wars is not a free pass to post like a child jacked up on too much sugar. I realise fanboyism plays an unfortunately common role here, but i find it very sad that people advise me to take such topics to boards run by other members such as Avant or GUFU because it's apparently become an accepted fact that unbiased, reasonable discussion is not allowed in system wars. Is that how far this board has really gone?

nah, there are some great posters over here.. and most of GUFU and Avant posters are SW lurkers or psters... but this place is filled with fanboys too...and this isn't an excuse..it's reality :?

Reality is still something you can (1) pout about (2) hope doesn't exist and (3) try to change.
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#175 Ninja-Hippo
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still, the original post of yours was a little too opinionated ....

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#176 deactivated-5dd711115e664
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[QUOTE="Giancar"] this posts sums pretty good your question besides you state that game like Uncharted have "decent enough" gameplay aspects, when I find the gameplay of it pretty awesome, same as KZ2 Sony have focused in both aspects, gameplay and graphics, which it is just great So I couldn't disagree more with the TC thread...Ninja-Hippo
I disagree. Picking out one line from a paragraph, never mind a whole post, which goes on to say much more is just silly.

Then I guess the only thing left to say is that nobody here knows what you are talking about...including yourself. You say it isn't about the quality of the games, but the title says otherwise. You say this isn't about support for games, but as pointed out, your post says otherwise. You claim it is about people on SW talking, but your post doesn't hint at that, and if that is all you are basing your opinion on, then you are starting with a shaky foudnation anyway.

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#177 Giancar
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[QUOTE="thepwninator"][QUOTE="Giancar"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] I really dont like the excuse 'well this is system wars so its ok'. System wars is not a free pass to post like a child jacked up on too much sugar. I realise fanboyism plays an unfortunately common role here, but i find it very sad that people advise me to take such topics to boards run by other members such as Avant or GUFU because it's apparently become an accepted fact that unbiased, reasonable discussion is not allowed in system wars. Is that how far this board has really gone?

nah, there are some great posters over here.. and most of GUFU and Avant posters are SW lurkers or psters... but this place is filled with fanboys too...and this isn't an excuse..it's reality :?

Reality is still something you can (1) pout about (2) hope doesn't exist and (3) try to change.

or like Plato's stated, reality in this world is far from perfect...the only percet reality is in the "Realm of ideas" but we are not there yet :P
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#178 thepwninator
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[QUOTE="joopyme"]still, the original post of yours was a little too opinionated .... Ninja-Hippo
That's what discussion forums are for. The honest discussion of opinions and points of view, not senseless bickering over who gets owned today.

Indeed. "Opinionated" simply means "has an opinion". Since opinions aren't inherently bad, why is being opinionated inherently bad? Hint under spoiler tag: [spoiler] It isn't.[/SPOILER/
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[QUOTE="Giancar"][QUOTE="thepwninator"][QUOTE="Giancar"] nah, there are some great posters over here.. and most of GUFU and Avant posters are SW lurkers or psters... but this place is filled with fanboys too...and this isn't an excuse..it's reality :?

Reality is still something you can (1) pout about (2) hope doesn't exist and (3) try to change.

or like Plato's stated, reality in this world is far from perfect...the only percet reality is in the "Realm of ideas" but we are not there yet :P

Ah, Plato... I need to read the Phaedrus again :P
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#180 Ninja-Hippo
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Then I guess the only thing left to say is that nobody here knows what you are talking about...including yourself. You say it isn't about the quality of the games, but the title says otherwise. You say this isn't about support for games, but as pointed out, your post says otherwise. You claim it is about people on SW talking, but your post doesn't hint at that, and if that is all you are basing your opinion on, then you are starting with a shaky foudnation anyway.

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My friend, you completely missed the point, and i'm not explaining it again. Plenty of people posted who knew exactly what i was talking about and i've found their comments very interesting. I'm not going to accept any notion that i am somehow at fault just because the majority of posts didn't bother to give what i said any reasonable consideration before hitting reply.
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#181 bubbleboyii
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CLIFF NOTES because i'm tired of people posting aggressively toward me having not bothered to even read the post:

Sony's first party games almost always feature state-of-the-art technology powering them, but the gameplay seems to have a lower benchmark. Not to say that any of Sony's games are bad - far from it - however i feel the emphasis on making their games a showcase for the PS3's graphical capability is selling them short in terms of really innovative, outstanding gameplay and design. Instead, they release consistant and 'solid' games which garner good reviews and are generally enjoyed by those who play them, but which quickly die down in terms of general enthusiasm and interest in the game, much like a summer action-flick at the movies which, while fun to watch, leaves no lasting impression on the viewer.

ORIGINAL POST:

It seems to me that Sony's games just dont hold any interest in either System wars or the gaming community as a whole. If we take Killzone 2, easily the biggest blockbuster to hit the PS3 this year, and it's all but dead in just a couple of months. Halo 3 tops the Live charts week after week and is still discussed here pretty much daily, yet Killzone 2 appears to have had it's brief flash in the pan and then faded away in no time at all. I think this is because the game's graphics were its selling point. Once you'd seen it in action, admired the pretty effects and grown accustomed to them, there just isn't that much else to get you excited about the game.

Same with games like Ratchet and Clank and Uncharted. Decent enough gameplay, but real emphasis on the visuals. I think this approach adds up to generally dull games in the long-term. Take a movie like Wanted. Visually striking, and pretty fun while you're watching it, but once you're done it's completely forgettable. You dont want to go see it again. You dont want to go talk about it.

Take Little Big Planet - remember how that game was going to rule the world? What happened? It fizzled out in a matter of weeks.

I think Sony are trying to hard to convince gamers that their system is the 'premium' piece of tech by investing so much in graphics and effects, often at the behest of truly outstanding gameplay. So long as it looks fantastic, and plays competently enough, they seem happy to release the game, and people want something more than that.

EDIT:

I'm not saying Sony game suck by any means, nor is this a simple matter of total threads on system wars per day.

Ninja-Hippo

That's just the way entertainment works. You get a bunch of games that do things right, but only a few will be remembered as classics. Nintendo has Mario, Zelda, and Metroid, Microsoft Halo and Gears of War, Sony God of War and Gran Turismo.

By that same logic, most studios are guilty of not having enough substance. Look at the first Fable. It was good, but it fell short of the hype it generated. Zelda games have been repeating the same formula for YEARS. Same with Metroid. In fact, Metroid's pretty much Zelda, but in a different setting. You don't have good items in the beginning, you get them, they allow you to go to other places where you find more important items. What I'm getting at is that it doesn't apply to just Sony. If you run down the list of IP of Sony, Microsoft, or Nintendo, you'll see a ton of games that are easily forgotten. Here's to name a few:

Microsoft: Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey

Sony: Killzone, Lair, Haze

Nintendo: Zelda (Ever since they've been compared to OoT. Which is to say... all of them after that), Mario Sunshine

They don't need to reinvent an entire genre. They just need to do things well. I mean, look at Halo. It's an FPS. You take guns and you shoot people. Bungie did things right with an interesting plot and new guns. They just made it so it work well on a console. I'm not downplaying Halo's merit, but that's just how I see it.

I'm slightly annoyed by your LBP argument though. To me, it's a case of having TOO much substance. So much that people don't really know what do with it. I mean, if you had the creativity and patience for the level creator, the possibilities are endless. People just don't want to spend the time or can't come with revolutionary new levels.

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#182 PSdual_wielder
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I'm amazed that by looking at the time this thread is only about 2 hours and there's 18 pages on it. But to the topic, TC I think you need to play some sony games, or else I would think you're crazy. If its all flash no substance, I wouldn't be playing so much resistance 2 lately. And emphasis on visuals have always been around this generation, right before killzone 2 was released everyone was bragging about gears 2 being graphics king or whatever, so this goes both ways.

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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Giancar"] this posts sums pretty good your question besides you state that game like Uncharted have "decent enough" gameplay aspects, when I find the gameplay of it pretty awesome, same as KZ2 Sony have focused in both aspects, gameplay and graphics, which it is just great So I couldn't disagree more with the TC thread...ZIMdoom

I disagree. Picking out one line from a paragraph, never mind a whole post, which goes on to say much more is just silly.

Then I guess the only thing left to say is that nobody here knows what you are talking about...including yourself. You say it isn't about the quality of the games, but the title says otherwise. You say this isn't about support for games, but as pointed out, your post says otherwise. You claim it is about people on SW talking, but your post doesn't hint at that, and if that is all you are basing your opinion on, then you are starting with a shaky foudnation anyway.

You should remove that guy on the far right of your PSN ID. I forget his name and the game he was in (totally forgettable action flick game), but I bet you did too. You should get Snake and some MGS4 love in there. Check and see if they have any Halo ones with Master Chef.

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#185 obamanian
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100% agree

When 360 does innovation in full 3D with Banjo 3, PS3 has the 2.5D LBP with the hop around gameplay

When 360 has huge open worlds to epxlore with huge AI, evolving world etc in Fable 2, Fallout 3 (complete version), Two worlds Temptation etcPS3 has some random startegy JRPG in Valkyria where you can only move from mission to mission and linear JRPGs

When 360 has a huge open adventure/action world in Kameo, PS3 has a 100% linear basher in Heavenly Sword

When 360 gets Halo 3, with real huge levles, AI, and vehicle use, PS3 gets another coriddor shooter in KZ2, R2, Uncharted

When 360 gets a huge open adventure world in Alan Wake, PS3 gets Heavy Rain, a movie game as developers themselves call it

etc etc etc

360 is a about big, innovative and epic, PS3 is about small, short and hyped stuff for fans

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#186 Ninja-Hippo
Member since 2008 • 23434 Posts
Are you simply going to keep posting the same thing over and over again until someone gives you the gratification of replying to it?
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#187 Ninja-Hippo
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100% agree

When 360 does innovation in full 3D with Banjo 3, PS3 has the 2.5D LBP with the hop around gameplay

When 360 has huge open worlds to epxlore with huge AI, evolving world etc in Fable 2, Fallout 3 (complete version), Two worlds Temptation etcPS3 has some random startegy JRPG in Valkyria where you can only move from mission to mission and linear JRPGs

When 360 has a huge open adventure/action world in Kameo, PS3 has a 100% linear basher in Heavenly Sword

When 360 gets Halo 3, with real huge levles, AI, and vehicle use, PS3 gets another coriddor shooter in KZ2, R2, Uncharted

When 360 gets a huge open adventure world in Alan Wake, PS3 gets Heavy Rain, a movie game as developers themselves call it

etc etc etc

360 is a about big, innovative and epic, PS3 is about small, short and hyped stuff for fans

obamanian
Thank you for agreeing, but cant say i really agree with anything you've said there. Apologies.
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#188 PSdual_wielder
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100% agree

When 360 does innovation in full 3D with Banjo 3, PS3 has the 2.5D LBP with the hop around gameplay

When 360 has huge open worlds to epxlore with huge AI, evolving world etc in Fable 2, Fallout 3 (complete version), Two worlds Temptation etcPS3 has some random startegy JRPG in Valkyria where you can only move from mission to mission and linear JRPGs

When 360 has a huge open adventure/action world in Kameo, PS3 has a 100% linear basher in Heavenly Sword

When 360 gets Halo 3, with real huge levles, AI, and vehicle use, PS3 gets another coriddor shooter in KZ2, R2, Uncharted

When 360 gets a huge open adventure world in Alan Wake, PS3 gets Heavy Rain, a movie game as developers themselves call it

etc etc etc

360 is a about big, innovative and epic, PS3 is about small, short and hyped stuff for fans

obamanian

Aren't you the one that does all the graphics comparison only by screenshots and not playing the games?

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#189 OldSkoolGamer04
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No, you realized you had no argument so are avoiding the question.
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#190 Mordred19
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I think saying "no substance" would just be going too far.

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#191 Zoso-8
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100% agree

When 360 does innovation in full 3D with Banjo 3, PS3 has the 2.5D LBP with the hop around gameplay

When 360 has huge open worlds to epxlore with huge AI, evolving world etc in Fable 2, Fallout 3 (complete version), Two worlds Temptation etcPS3 has some random startegy JRPG in Valkyria where you can only move from mission to mission and linear JRPGs

When 360 has a huge open adventure/action world in Kameo, PS3 has a 100% linear basher in Heavenly Sword

When 360 gets Halo 3, with real huge levles, AI, and vehicle use, PS3 gets another coriddor shooter in KZ2, R2, Uncharted

When 360 gets a huge open adventure world in Alan Wake, PS3 gets Heavy Rain, a movie game as developers themselves call it

etc etc etc

360 is a about big, innovative and epic, PS3 is about small, short and hyped stuff for fans

obamanian
Your credibility went out the window when you said Resistance 2 and Uncharted are corrider shooters.
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#192 thepwninator
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I think saying "no substance" would just be going too far.

Mordred19
The OP doesn't state "no substance". It states "less emphasis on substance than flash". Titles are often used in that way simply to draw readers in.
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#193 tok1879
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[QUOTE="obamanian"]

100% agree

When 360 does innovation in full 3D with Banjo 3, PS3 has the 2.5D LBP with the hop around gameplay

When 360 has huge open worlds to epxlore with huge AI, evolving world etc in Fable 2, Fallout 3 (complete version), Two worlds Temptation etcPS3 has some random startegy JRPG in Valkyria where you can only move from mission to mission and linear JRPGs

When 360 has a huge open adventure/action world in Kameo, PS3 has a 100% linear basher in Heavenly Sword

When 360 gets Halo 3, with real huge levles, AI, and vehicle use, PS3 gets another coriddor shooter in KZ2, R2, Uncharted

When 360 gets a huge open adventure world in Alan Wake, PS3 gets Heavy Rain, a movie game as developers themselves call it

etc etc etc

360 is a about big, innovative and epic, PS3 is about small, short and hyped stuff for fans

Ninja-Hippo
Thank you for agreeing, but cant say i really agree with anything you've said there. Apologies.

Niice, i respect this move. I was just about to ask you if you noticed any similarities in most of the people who agree with you.
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#194 ironcreed
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LOL, speak for yourself, friend. I will take Sony's first party ANY DAY over Microsofts.

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#195 OldSkoolGamer04
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I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me how the OP's rationalization of using some nebulous "buzz" indicator isvalid regarding a game's substance.

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#196 Mordred19
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[QUOTE="Mordred19"]

I think saying "no substance" would just be going too far.

thepwninator

The OP doesn't state "no substance". It states "less emphasis on substance than flash". Titles are often used in that way simply to draw readers in.

It definetly drew me in, and I did read the cliff notes post in my half-awake state. Now, I do have to disagree that the games don't leave an impression.

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#197 thepwninator
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LOL, speak for yourself, friend. I will take Sony's first party ANY DAY over Microsofts.ironcreed
And I'd take my decade old PC games over either :P Just can't give up my Planescape and Deus Ex :P Long time no see, BTW.
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#198 freeloader_101
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i COMPLETELY disagree. Games like Heavenly Sword,MGS4,Killzone 2,Resistance have been mind blowing for me so far.And i`ve been gaming on PC since 90s. This statement is more accurate of 360s and Wiis 1st,2nd or 3rd party games.Games like Mass Effect/Fable 2 were honestly some of the most boring games and most overrated ones IMO.
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#199 TheGreatOutdoor
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CLIFF NOTES because i'm tired of people posting aggressively toward me having not bothered to even read the post:

Sony's first party games almost always feature state-of-the-art technology powering them, but the gameplay seems to have a lower benchmark. Not to say that any of Sony's games are bad - far from it - however i feel the emphasis on making their games a showcase for the PS3's graphical capability is selling them short in terms of really innovative, outstanding gameplay and design. Instead, they release consistant and 'solid' games which garner good reviews and are generally enjoyed by those who play them, but which quickly die down in terms of general enthusiasm and interest in the game, much like a summer action-flick at the movies which, while fun to watch, leaves no lasting impression on the viewer.

ORIGINAL POST:

It seems to me that Sony's games just dont hold any interest in either System wars or the gaming community as a whole. If we take Killzone 2, easily the biggest blockbuster to hit the PS3 this year, and it's all but dead in just a couple of months. Halo 3 tops the Live charts week after week and is still discussed here pretty much daily, yet Killzone 2 appears to have had it's brief flash in the pan and then faded away in no time at all. I think this is because the game's graphics were its selling point. Once you'd seen it in action, admired the pretty effects and grown accustomed to them, there just isn't that much else to get you excited about the game.

Same with games like Ratchet and Clank and Uncharted. Decent enough gameplay, but real emphasis on the visuals. I think this approach adds up to generally dull games in the long-term. Take a movie like Wanted. Visually striking, and pretty fun while you're watching it, but once you're done it's completely forgettable. You dont want to go see it again. You dont want to go talk about it.

Take Little Big Planet - remember how that game was going to rule the world? What happened? It fizzled out in a matter of weeks.

I think Sony are trying to hard to convince gamers that their system is the 'premium' piece of tech by investing so much in graphics and effects, often at the behest of truly outstanding gameplay. So long as it looks fantastic, and plays competently enough, they seem happy to release the game, and people want something more than that.

EDIT:

I'm not saying Sony game suck by any means, nor is this a simple matter of total threads on system wars per day.

Ninja-Hippo

I can tell you don't own a PS3 because you seem to know nothing about it. I hope you don't really believe what you just typed.

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#200 freeloader_101
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[QUOTE="obamanian"]

100% agree

When 360 does innovation in full 3D with Banjo 3, PS3 has the 2.5D LBP with the hop around gameplay

When 360 has huge open worlds to epxlore with huge AI, evolving world etc in Fable 2, Fallout 3 (complete version), Two worlds Temptation etcPS3 has some random startegy JRPG in Valkyria where you can only move from mission to mission and linear JRPGs

When 360 has a huge open adventure/action world in Kameo, PS3 has a 100% linear basher in Heavenly Sword

When 360 gets Halo 3, with real huge levles, AI, and vehicle use, PS3 gets another coriddor shooter in KZ2, R2, Uncharted

When 360 gets a huge open adventure world in Alan Wake, PS3 gets Heavy Rain, a movie game as developers themselves call it

etc etc etc

360 is a about big, innovative and epic, PS3 is about small, short and hyped stuff for fans

PSdual_wielder

Aren't you the one that does all the graphics comparison only by screenshots and not playing the games?

Yup thats him and he also claims Fable 2 to be better looking than Killzone 2 and MGS4.