Sony's first party games - all flash and no substance?

[QUOTE="bingbaocao"][QUOTE="Keltoid"] Heavenly Sword was garbage though. It was a 6 hour action game that's not getting a sequel. Mass Effect is a 40+ game with RPG elements and is multiplatform. That's a poor comparison. finalfantasy94

Actually when topics come up like "underrated games this gen" Folklore usually appears on someones list. I dont get how this reflects quality. I mean do you want me to shove the game down your throat or something?

[QUOTE="bingbaocao"][QUOTE="Keltoid"] Heavenly Sword was garbage though. It was a 6 hour action game that's not getting a sequel. Mass Effect is a 40+ game with RPG elements and is multiplatform. That's a poor comparison. finalfantasy94

Actually when topics come up like "underrated games this gen" Folklore usually appears on someones list. I dont get how this reflects quality. I mean do you want me to shove the game down your throat or something?

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]

It seems to me that Sony's games just dont hold any interest in either System wars or the gaming community as a whole. If we take Killzone 2, easily the biggest blockbuster to hit the PS3 this year, and it's all but dead in just a couple of months. Halo 3 tops the Live charts week after week and is still discussed here pretty much daily, yet Killzone 2 appears to have had it's brief flash in the pan and then faded away in no time at all. I think this is because the game's graphics were its selling point. Once you'd seen it in action, admired the pretty effects and grown accustomed to them, there just isn't that much else to get you excited about the game.

Same with games like Ratchet and Clank and Uncharted. Decent enough gameplay, but real emphasis on the visuals. I think this approach adds up to generally dull games in the long-term. Take a movie like Wanted. Visually striking, and pretty fun while you're watching it, but once you're done it's completely forgettable. You dont want to go see it again. You dont want to go talk about it.

Take Little Big Planet - remember how that game was going to rule the world? What happened? It fizzled out in a matter of weeks.

I think Sony are trying to hard to convince gamers that their system is the 'premium' piece of tech by investing so much in graphics and effects, often at the behest of truly outstanding gameplay. So long as it looks fantastic, and plays competently enough, they seem happy to release the game, and people want something more than that.

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I'm not saying Sony game suck by any means, nor is this a simple matter of total threads on system wars per day.

tok1879

[QUOTE="Keltoid"][QUOTE="thepwninator"]The very fact that that thread even exists and comparable threads for Heavenly Sword don't is a testament to what Ninja-Hippo is saying.thepwninator

[QUOTE="Keltoid"][QUOTE="thepwninator"]The very fact that that thread even exists and comparable threads for Heavenly Sword don't is a testament to what Ninja-Hippo is saying.bingbaocao

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

The only time I see halo pop up in SW is when its either sony vs ms or Halo VS KZ2 and even the crazyer Halo saved FPS genra,but besides that theres nothing els being said about it. I rather have the Halo topics and KZ2 topics kept in thier bords and not swarm over here.

Nike_Air

It seems to me that Sony's games just dont hold any interest in either System wars or the gaming community as a whole. If we take Killzone 2, easily the biggest blockbuster to hit the PS3 this year, and it's all but dead in just a couple of months. Halo 3 tops the Live charts week after week and is still discussed here pretty much daily, yet Killzone 2 appears to have had it's brief flash in the pan and then faded away in no time at all. I think this is because the game's graphics were its selling point. Once you'd seen it in action, admired the pretty effects and grown accustomed to them, there just isn't that much else to get you excited about the game.

Same with games like Ratchet and Clank and Uncharted. Decent enough gameplay, but real emphasis on the visuals. I think this approach adds up to generally dull games in the long-term. Take a movie like Wanted. Visually striking, and pretty fun while you're watching it, but once you're done it's completely forgettable. You dont want to go see it again. You dont want to go talk about it.

Take Little Big Planet - remember how that game was going to rule the world? What happened? It fizzled out in a matter of weeks.

I think Sony are trying to hard to convince gamers that their system is the 'premium' piece of tech by investing so much in graphics and effects, often at the behest of truly outstanding gameplay. So long as it looks fantastic, and plays competently enough, they seem happy to release the game, and people want something more than that.

EDIT:

I'm not saying Sony game suck by any means, nor is this a simple matter of total threads on system wars per day.

Ninja-Hippo

I couldn't possibly disagree more. Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank (which recently got an expansion), Killzone 2, Little Big Planet STILL has plenty of people playing and making new levels.

If you ask me, your arguement doesn't prove that Sony games are all flash and no substance. What it tells me is that Sony is putting out lots of games that appeal to a wide audience. The fact that everyone still worships and plays Halo 3 all the time, tells me less about the quality/substance of Halo than it tells me about the overall 360 library and/or its audience.

[QUOTE="Nike_Air"]

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

The only time I see halo pop up in SW is when its either sony vs ms or Halo VS KZ2 and even the crazyer Halo saved FPS genra,but besides that theres nothing els being said about it. I rather have the Halo topics and KZ2 topics kept in thier bords and not swarm over here.

IronBass

[QUOTE="Nike_Air"]

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

The only time I see halo pop up in SW is when its either sony vs ms or Halo VS KZ2 and even the crazyer Halo saved FPS genra,but besides that theres nothing els being said about it. I rather have the Halo topics and KZ2 topics kept in thier bords and not swarm over here.

IronBass

To be honest I havent seen Gears 2 mention on SW for a good while. THe last time I heard it mention was about crappy the online was compared to part 1 and thats it.

[QUOTE="Keltoid"][QUOTE="thepwninator"]The very fact that that thread even exists and comparable threads for Heavenly Sword don't is a testament to what Ninja-Hippo is saying.bingbaocao

Did I miss sumthing? KZ2 is dead? Then who am i playing with online? :?II_Seraphim_II

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

[QUOTE="bingbaocao"] so why is Folklore never mentioned?thepwninator

Actually when topics come up like "underrated games this gen" Folklore usually appears on someones list. I dont get how this reflects quality. I mean do you want me to shove the game down your throat or something?

Cause I dont like shoving games down peoples throat or the same being done to me. It either gets bothersome or makes the person who hasint played it have godly high expectation of the game that just cant be met and makes the experiance just disapointing.

[QUOTE="thepwninator"]The very fact that that thread even exists and comparable threads for Heavenly Sword don't is a testament to what Ninja-Hippo is saying.Keltoid

Heavenly Sword was far from garbage, sir. Sure, it was 5 hours long..almost half of which was cut-scenes. But in all my years of gaming, it ranks near the very top for being a quality product that did everything RIGHT. Story, gameplay, graphics, creating a compelling world and characters. Everything about HS was BANG ON, and nobody can argue otherwise and be considered credible.

The only single thing the game had working against it was its extremely short length which meant nobody bought it.

To say it was garbage only tells me you never played the game.

Why do people keep saying 'you're wrong, i play with lots of people online!' At what point did i say these games have nobody playing online? When did i say nobody makes new levels for LBP any more? Where are you getting these arguements from?Ninja-Hippo

To be fair, you did say: "If we take Killzone 2, easily the biggest blockbuster to hit the PS3 this year, and it's all but dead in just a couple of months. Halo 3 tops the Live charts week after week" in your opening post.

Why do people keep saying 'you're wrong, i play with lots of people online!' At what point did i say these games have nobody playing online? When did i say nobody makes new levels for LBP any more? Where are you getting these arguements from?Ninja-Hippo

Proboly people are just reading ur topic wrong. I mean what I got form it was that this is about how some games just stoped being talked about on SW forums. Am I right?

[QUOTE="Keltoid"][QUOTE="thepwninator"]The very fact that that thread even exists and comparable threads for Heavenly Sword don't is a testament to what Ninja-Hippo is saying.ZIMdoom

Heavenly Sword was far from garbage, sir. Sure, it was 5 hours long..almost half of which was cut-scenes. But in all my years of gaming, it ranks near the very top for being a quality product that did everything RIGHT. Story, gameplay, graphics, creating a compelling world and characters. Everything about HS was BANG ON, and nobody can argue otherwise and be considered credible.

The only single thing the game had working against it was its extremely short length which meant nobody bought it.

To say it was garbage only tells me you never played the game.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]Why do people keep saying 'you're wrong, i play with lots of people online!' At what point did i say these games have nobody playing online? When did i say nobody makes new levels for LBP any more? Where are you getting these arguements from?Floppy_Jim

To be fair, you did say: "If we take Killzone 2, easily the biggest blockbuster to hit the PS3 this year, and it's all but dead in just a couple of months. Halo 3 tops the Live charts week after week" in your opening post.

The answer why lems talk more about their exclusives than cows is simple. Cows have something to look forward to, so we talk about the exclusives that will be coming to the PS3. Lems however, see the vast exclusive wasteland that aproaches and talk about their past "glorys".

[QUOTE="Keltoid"][ It's like Uncharted, it receives attention for being a graphics king, but it doesnt get a whole lot of System Wars attention for gameplay much. Most of the times you see "Gears 2" on here it's being brought into a graphics discussion. IronBass

[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="Keltoid"][ It's like Uncharted, it receives attention for being a graphics king, but it doesnt get a whole lot of System Wars attention for gameplay much. Most of the times you see "Gears 2" on here it's being brought into a graphics discussion. Nike_Air

[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="Keltoid"][ It's like Uncharted, it receives attention for being a graphics king, but it doesnt get a whole lot of System Wars attention for gameplay much. Most of the times you see "Gears 2" on here it's being brought into a graphics discussion. Nike_Air

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]Why do people keep saying 'you're wrong, i play with lots of people online!' At what point did i say these games have nobody playing online? When did i say nobody makes new levels for LBP any more? Where are you getting these arguements from?Floppy_Jim

To be fair, you did say: "If we take Killzone 2, easily the biggest blockbuster to hit the PS3 this year, and it's all but dead in just a couple of months. Halo 3 tops the Live charts week after week" in your opening post.

[QUOTE="Nike_Air"]

[QUOTE="IronBass"] Oh no, not even close. Gears 2 is in pretty much everybody's mind.IronBass

[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]Why do people keep saying 'you're wrong, i play with lots of people online!' At what point did i say these games have nobody playing online? When did i say nobody makes new levels for LBP any more? Where are you getting these arguements from?Ninja-Hippo

To be fair, you did say: "If we take Killzone 2, easily the biggest blockbuster to hit the PS3 this year, and it's all but dead in just a couple of months. Halo 3 tops the Live charts week after week" in your opening post.

I'm here to enlighten.Nike_Air

[QUOTE="Nike_Air"]

[QUOTE="IronBass"] Oh no, not even close. Gears 2 is in pretty much everybody's mind.IronBass

[QUOTE="Nike_Air"]I'm here to enlighten.IronBass