Sony's first party games - all flash and no substance?

ps3 needs some MLG status games....360 has halo and gears ( i was so nasty at gears) .....

So basically, once again it comes down to Halo 3 vs. KZ2. Let me ask you this: which 360 exclusives do you feel have substance?Zoso-8

[QUOTE="Giancar"] ok, how do you meassure the "general enthusiasm" for certain game cause your thread states that 1st Sony games have it a "general enthusiasm" declining cause "Sony focused more in garphics than gameplay" how do you meassure it?Ninja-Hippo

[QUOTE="Giancar"] ok, how do you meassure the "general enthusiasm" for certain game cause your thread states that 1st Sony games have it a "general enthusiasm" declining cause "Sony focused more in garphics than gameplay" how do you meassure it?Ninja-Hippo

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Giancar"] ok, how do you meassure the "general enthusiasm" for certain game cause your thread states that 1st Sony games have it a "general enthusiasm" declining cause "Sony focused more in garphics than gameplay" how do you meassure it?Nike_Air

[QUOTE="danish-death"] Doesn't that very same thing apply to both the Nintendo Wii and Xbox 360? Ain't most games just played and then "forgotten"? Ninja-Hippo

[QUOTE="Couth_"]Ninja Hippo, your usually a good poster, but this thread is ultra fail. All games: 360 PS3 Wii and PC, once they are out, they are dead on system wars, because once they are out, there is nothing to talk about, except the graphics. Which is the only reason people still bring up Crysis and Killzone.. Halo Gears and CoD are the most popular games on live and there are no topics about them. WoW is the most popular PC game, and there are no threads about it, GTAIV highest rated game this gen: no threads about it. System Wars is all about hype and once the game is out, people move on to the next game, that's the way it is.Ninja-Hippo

And I don't see how any other first party has any more 'substance', explain that to me

I agree with you, Ninja-Hippo to a certain degree. I also understand how the Sony fanboys will take you topic as a direct bash. I have said before that Sony has not done a good job of giving their big releases a good chance of success. In addition, I feel that their major franchises lack a certain degree of longevity for sure.ArchaoN

[QUOTE="ArchaoN"]I agree with you, Ninja-Hippo to a certain degree. I also understand how the Sony fanboys will take you topic as a direct bash. I have said before that Sony has not done a good job of giving their big releases a good chance of success. In addition, I feel that their major franchises lack a certain degree of longevity for sure.Zoso-8

If your not talking about that, then you have no way of guaging the lasting appeal of a game. On my friends list, the most platinumed game I have seen is Uncharted. Which would require multiple playthroughs.. Resistance Killzone and LBP have really big communities. The first Resistance community was strong all the way until the second came out.. So I don't know what you mean..

And I don't see how any other first party has any more 'substance', explain that to me

Couth_

Once again, if you actually READ the post there are plenty of ways to gauge the interest in a game. Online community, discussion/conversation, fanbase, DLC and patches, talk about the prospect of sequels. It's a general awareness of how 'big' a certain game is with the gaming community. And people can disagree, sure, and argue that they feel x game actually has quite a following behind it. I just dont think a lot of Sony's first party games do. MGS4, for example. Epic following. People adore that game. Months after release and people are still hyped about it. Halo 3. Same deal. People were in a frenzy trying to get mythic map packs. Half Life 2. Again, discusses daily, has a massive online following and a dedicated fanbase. What about Too Human? Um, not really. It came, it went away. Heavenly sword? Forgotten about. Little Big Planet? Great at the time, but not for long. Killzone? There was more interest for it BEFORE it came out than there was when it was released.

[QUOTE="Couth_"]Ninja Hippo, your usually a good poster, but this thread is ultra fail. All games: 360 PS3 Wii and PC, once they are out, they are dead on system wars, because once they are out, there is nothing to talk about, except the graphics. Which is the only reason people still bring up Crysis and Killzone.. Halo Gears and CoD are the most popular games on live and there are no topics about them. WoW is the most popular PC game, and there are no threads about it, GTAIV highest rated game this gen: no threads about it. System Wars is all about hype and once the game is out, people move on to the next game, that's the way it is.Ninja-Hippo

Then what is it that you said? Because it's not online community and not topics that discuss it, then what is the measurement of interest that your using? You say that the PS3 first party exclusives don't have lastin appeal but fail to explain how you measure that lasting appeal, because in the end, it's a subjective matter that varies with each person.

Have you ever stop to wonder that maybe, just maybe, because you like 360 games more, you disregard when you see talk about PS3 ones, and only notice when people talk about something you like?

Then what is it that you said? Because it's not online community and not topics that discuss it, then what is the measurement of interest that your using? You say that the PS3 first party exclusives don't have lastin appeal but fail to explain how you measure that lasting appeal, because in the end, it's a subjective matter that varies with each person.

Have you ever stop to wonder that maybe, just maybe, because you like 360 games more, you disregard when you see talk about PS3 ones, and only notice when people talk about something you like?

DarkyC

[QUOTE="Couth_"]

If your not talking about that, then you have no way of guaging the lasting appeal of a game. On my friends list, the most platinumed game I have seen is Uncharted. Which would require multiple playthroughs.. Resistance Killzone and LBP have really big communities. The first Resistance community was strong all the way until the second came out.. So I don't know what you mean..

And I don't see how any other first party has any more 'substance', explain that to me

Ninja-Hippo

Once again, if you actually READ the post there are plenty of ways to gauge the interest in a game. Online community, discussion/conversation, fanbase, DLC and patches, talk about the prospect of sequels. It's a general awareness of how 'big' a certain game is with the gaming community. And people can disagree, sure, and argue that they feel x game actually has quite a following behind it. I just dont think a lot of Sony's first party games do. MGS4, for example. Epic following. People adore that game. Months after release and people are still hyped about it. Halo 3. Same deal. People were in a frenzy trying to get mythic map packs. Half Life 2. Again, discusses daily, has a massive online following and a dedicated fanbase. What about Too Human? Um, not really. It came, it went away. Heavenly sword? Forgotten about. Little Big Planet? Great at the time, but not for long. Killzone? There was more interest for it BEFORE it came out than there was when it was released.

[QUOTE="Couth_"]

If your not talking about that, then you have no way of guaging the lasting appeal of a game. On my friends list, the most platinumed game I have seen is Uncharted. Which would require multiple playthroughs.. Resistance Killzone and LBP have really big communities. The first Resistance community was strong all the way until the second came out.. So I don't know what you mean..

And I don't see how any other first party has any more 'substance', explain that to me

Ninja-Hippo

Once again, if you actually READ the post there are plenty of ways to gauge the interest in a game. Online community, discussion/conversation, fanbase, DLC and patches, talk about the prospect of sequels. It's a general awareness of how 'big' a certain game is with the gaming community. And people can disagree, sure, and argue that they feel x game actually has quite a following behind it. I just dont think a lot of Sony's first party games do. MGS4, for example. Epic following. People adore that game. Months after release and people are still hyped about it. Halo 3. Same deal. People were in a frenzy trying to get mythic map packs. Half Life 2. Again, discusses daily, has a massive online following and a dedicated fanbase. What about Too Human? Um, not really. It came, it went away. Heavenly sword? Forgotten about. Little Big Planet? Great at the time, but not for long. Killzone? There was more interest for it BEFORE it came out than there was when it was released.

Do you even realize what you are saying? R2, LBp and KZ2 have big communities, they all have DLC, they have all been patched, LBP gets DLC damn near every week, and people went in a frenzy over the MGS4 pack, there is talk about all three games sequels. What else do you want? Not every game has to be Halo to have lasting appeal. But whatever dude, theres no convincing you, your just dishing out flamebaitCouth_

And for added proof that you're simply not reading the things you're arguing with; you use MGS4 as some sort of counter-point when i used it as an example of a game with amazing longevity in the first place in comparison to some of Sony's other games.

what has happened to you? nothing and why bring then to SW? you are a long time poster and you know that this is a place filled with fanboys then why bring the topic with such title? go for another one..if you knew the consequences, why would you o it? :? besides I'm seeing in this thread a way more mature discussion than the 90% of SW threadsGiancar

I agree with you that there is definately some mature discussion going on - from you, for one, regarding LBP. But it's two or three posts a page amongst 10 or 12 of not bothering to read the original post, trolling outright, or responding based purely off seeing 'Sony' and then a negative tone of discourse.

Because i thought it was a genuinely interesting topic discussed elsewhere, and i'm disappointed that people responded in the way that they did, and i certainly wont bother again in the future.Ninja-Hippo

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] Because i thought it was a genuinely interesting topic discussed elsewhere, and i'm disappointed that people responded in the way that they did, and i certainly wont bother again in the future.IronBass

*looks at a copy of GeOW2*

So you're saying that all Sony first party games suck, Ninja Vox?

[QUOTE="Giancar"] what has happened to you? nothing and why bring then to SW? you are a long time poster and you know that this is a place filled with fanboys then why bring the topic with such title? go for another one..if you knew the consequences, why would you o it? :? besides I'm seeing in this thread a way more mature discussion than the 90% of SW threadsNinja-Hippo

I agree with you that there is definately some mature discussion going on - from you, for one, regarding LBP. But it's two or three posts a page amongst 10 or 12 of not bothering to read the original post, trolling outright, or responding based purely off seeing 'Sony' and then a negative tone of discourse.

So you're saying that all Sony first party games suck, Ninja Vox?

Storm_Marine