Splinter Cell Conviction: the hype thread

Well the game is out in a week, so it's about time we all put our cards on the table and make a call; how is this game going to rate when we finally get our hands on it after over five long years in development and two do-overs?

Screens galore, click to make big:

OFFICIAL SITE

Gamespot Previews

IGN Previews

Gamespot plays the first 20 minutes, complete with video footage.

Also being released alongside the game, Microsoft have put together a Splinter Cell Xbox 360 bundle:

Cool beans.

Finally, some key info:The game features a single player campaign, a two player co-op mode and a series of co-op challenges dubbed 'Deniable Ops'. While Ubi Soft seem determined not to confirm or deny the existence of the game's trademark Spies vs Mercs competitive multiplayer, it seems incredibly likely at this point that the game features no competitve multiplayer modes of any kind.

Releases Dates:

13th April 2010 (North America)

15th April 2010 (Australia)

16th April 2010 (Europe)

Currently billed only to appear on the Xbox 360 and PC, though a PS3 version has been subject to the usual internet rumor mill.

And now for my final thought....

Based on the demo, Conviction isn't really anything like Splinter Cell of old. It controls differently, plays differently and seems to draw its fun and excitement from completely different areas. Whereas Chaos Theory was enjoyable because of its crazy levels of tension and suspense, Conviction instead goes for the action-movie gun shots, killings and explosions route. A great many of the game's core stealth elements have been tossed, with Ubi Soft saying they 'didn't have time' to incorporate them.

I really dont buy that though. Much like the terrible mis-step they made with Rainbow Six Lockdown, i think they've just tried to make a much-loved game more accessible and may have inadvertedly ruined it in doing so. Hopefully Splinter Cell, much like Rainbow Six, will return to form following its outing into the realms of more mainstream appeal, but for now, Ubi Soft appear to have wasted an awful lot of amazing potential in creating a shallow action game instead of a true next-gen stealth experience, as Chaos Theory was when it was released.

In terms of hype, that's a tough one to call as Gamespot never seemed to like Splinter Cell even when it was about as good as a stealth game could possibly be with Chaos Theory. They may actually LIKE its new action-packed coat of paint, who knows?

I'll call it at 7.5 though.

Solid AA IMO.

A or AA (personally i would say 7.0)

AA or A, looks like yet another generic action game.

A - Looks turd tbh. The demo was OK, but nothing compared to the old SC.

Ill vote AA.

AA, but I will not be buying it. I think I will enjoy Nier and it's twisted, dark storyline much more. It will probably get hammered review-wise, though.

whats up with all the hate?

im saying AAA

Gonna' go with AA - AAA. I actually really enjoyed the demo and I consider myself a long time Splinter Cell fan. Conviction did things that were new and interesting. Developing concepts and new gameplay changed in a franchise that is so established is really impressive. I thought it was a good synthesis of action and stealth. NAPK1NS

Gonna' go with AA - AAA. I actually really enjoyed the demo and I consider myself a long time Splinter Cell fan. Conviction did things that were new and interesting. Developing concepts and new gameplay changed in a franchise that is so established is really impressive. I thought it was a good synthesis of action and stealth. NAPK1NS

ATTENTION : Splinter Cell Conviction was hyped far before this thread. The game comes out in a week.

There was already a few hype threads on Splinter Cell : Conviction. This thread's only purpose is to change and redirect the AAA Hype to lower it due to the demo.

My Hype is AAA as well.

The problem with this hype thread is that it came out After the Demo, so people's hype is different.

M$ spent real money on securing this huge Splinter Cell 3rd Party game for a reason.

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SPLINTER CELL METACRITIC HISTORY :

93 = 2002'sSplinter Cell (The original)

93 = 2004's Splinter Cell 2 : Pandora Tomorrow

94 = 2005's Splinter Cell 3 : Chaos Theory

85 = 2006'sSplinter Cell 4 : Double Agent (Super Short Cycle, still managed 85 which is higher than ODST btw)

XX= 2010's Splinter Cell 5 : Conviction (Super Long Cycle, coming soon...)

Why are People HYPING this game A again? It doesn't make sense. If anything, this game will be AA, if it doesn't make AAA here at GS.

A Hype makes no sense when you look into this like I have...even after playing the demo.

My Hype is AAA, and if anything this game may get AA, but it's not going to score A.

EDIT : Game Informer recently gave Splinter Cell : Conviction a 9, Gamepro gave SC:C a perfect 5/5, and IGN gave it an 9.3.

Fun LINK, an Uncharted Vs. Splinter Cell : Conviction thread from a year or two ago...:P

I believe there was already a hype thread on it.

The problem with this hype thread is that it came out After the Demo, so people's hype is different.

SolidTy

LOL at all those voting A and AA... SC is one of the series that gets automatic AAA hype..., just like FF, Halo, Mario, Zelda, Bioshock, GTA, MGS, and everything from Bioware...

LOL at all those voting A and AA... SC is one of the series that gets automatic AAA hype..., just like FF, Halo, Mario, Zelda, Bioshock, GTA, MGS, and everything from Bioware...

Luther_10

LOL at all those voting A and AA... SC is one of the series that gets automatic AAA hype..., just like FF, Halo, Mario, Zelda, Bioshock, GTA, MGS, and everything from Bioware...

Luther_10

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

I believe there was already a hype thread on it.

The problem with this hype thread is that it came out After the Demo, so people's hype is different.

G-O-M-J

[QUOTE="Luther_10"]

LOL at all those voting A and AA... SC is one of the series that gets automatic AAA hype..., just like FF, Halo, Mario, Zelda, Bioshock, GTA, MGS, and everything from Bioware...

toast_burner

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

There was already a few hype thread on Splinter Cell. This thread's only purpose is to change and redirect the AAA Hype.

My Hype is AAA as well.

The problem with this hype thread is that it came out After the Demo, so people's hype is different.

M$ spent real money on securing this huge Splinter Cell 3rd Party game for a reason.

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SPLINTER CELL METACRITIC HISTORY :

93 = 2002'sSplinter Cell (The original)

93 = 2004's Splinter Cell 2 : Pandora Tomorrow

94 = 2005's Splinter Cell 3 : Chaos Theory

85 = 2006'sSplinter Cell 4 : Double Agent (Super Short Cycle, still managed 85 which is higher than ODST btw)

XX= 2010's Splinter Cell 5 : Conviction (Super Long Cycle, coming soon...)

Why are People HYPING this game A again? It doesn't make sense. If anything, this game will be AA, if it doesn't make AAA here at GS.

A Hype makes no sense when you look into this like I have...even after playing the demo.

My Hype is AAA, and if anything this game may get AA, but it's not going to score A.

G-O-M-J

How are people supposed to hype something they already know too much about?

Well, obviously people's hype is going to change from what it was....but it's not a problem, people are bound to feel differently.

That being said, I'm surprised to find people not remembering how HUGE a franchise SPLINTER CELL is, and how LONG this game has been in development to hype it as an A.

Does anyone really expect GS to give this game a 7? No way, it's not going to happen. IT's a different SC, but it's not going to be an average game. The only mistep was the last game, and that game didn't have a long dev cycle like this game.

Either way, constantly changing hype sets a bad precedent, but then again, somehow Heavy Rains hype was altered too, using other game sites scores to control the hype levels..to the point of crazyness, Metacritic and other sites scores were put in the name of the Thread to manipulate the Hype. This is the same thing, in reverse. Making a hype thread after playing the demo...from a GS poster that has only been here at GS since Feb 2010.

SW has changed over the years with new posters making the same old mistakes that veteran posters have learned over and over and over the years not to do. Now people are asking how it's a problem.

Bottomline, you will get this : "I voted A because of the demo."

I'm guessing half the people here didn't use the sticky cams, portable emps, emp grenades, flash bangs and frags right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyXRqdQQjfkFull Stealth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVXabrfeThQStealth but killing everyone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7N3_rSmwCX0Playing it like a normal cover shooter

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-jl252DrUkRun and Gun

I hate it when people say they've dumbed it down when there are clearly plenty of different ways to go through the game.

And for those who were saying non-lethal takedowns, what exactly were you expecting after you saw the huge amount of videos of conviction which started LAST E3. None of them had non-lethal takedowns. And like I showed in the first link, you can do full stealth. THERE IS EVEN A MODE ON CO-OP WHICH GIVES GAME OVER ONCE YOU ARE SPOTTED.

LOL at all those voting A and AA... SC is one of the series that gets automatic AAA hype..., just like FF, Halo, Mario, Zelda, Bioshock, GTA, MGS, and everything from Bioware...

Luther_10

[QUOTE="G-O-M-J"]

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

I believe there was already a hype thread on it.

The problem with this hype thread is that it came out After the Demo, so people's hype is different.

SolidTy

How are people supposed to hype something they already know too much about?

Well, obviously people's hype is going to change from what it was....but it's not a problem, people are bound to feel differently.

That being said, I'm surprised to find people not remembering how HUGE a franchise SPLINTER CELL is, and how LONG this game has been in development to hype it as an A.

Does anyone really expect GS to give this game a 7? No way, it's not going to happen. IT's a different SC, but it's not going to be an average game. The only mistep was the last game, and that game didn't have a long dev cycle like this game.

Either way, constantly changing hype sets a bad precedent, but then again, somehow Heavy Rains hype was altered too, using other game sites scores to control the hype levels..to the point of crazyness, Metacritic and other sites scores were put in the name of the Thread to manipulate the Hype. This is the same thing, in reverse. Making a hype thread after playing the demo...from a GS poster that has only been here at GS since Feb 2010.

SW has changed over the years with new posters making the same old mistakes that veteran posters have learned over and over and over the years not to do. Now people are asking how it's a problem.

Bottomline, you will get this : "I voted A, because of the demo."

I'm guessing half the people here didn't use the sticky cams, portable emps, emp grenades, flash bangs and frags right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyXRqdQQjfkFull Stealth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVXabrfeThQStealth but killing everyone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7N3_rSmwCX0Playing it like a normal cover shooter

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-jl252DrUkRun and Gun

I hate it when people say they've dumbed it down when there are clearly plenty of different ways to go through the game.

And for those who were saying non-lethal takedowns, what exactly were you expecting after you saw the huge amount of videos of conviction which started LAST E3. None of them had non-lethal takedowns. And like I showed in the first link, you can do full stealth. THERE IS EVEN A MODE ON CO-OP WHICH GIVES GAME OVER ONCE YOU ARE SPOTTED.

Arjdagr8

[QUOTE="Arjdagr8"]

I'm guessing half the people here didn't use the sticky cams, portable emps, emp grenades, flash bangs and frags right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyXRqdQQjfkFull Stealth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVXabrfeThQStealth but killing everyone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7N3_rSmwCX0Playing it like a normal cover shooter

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-jl252DrUkRun and Gun

I hate it when people say they've dumbed it down when there are clearly plenty of different ways to go through the game.

And for those who were saying non-lethal takedowns, what exactly were you expecting after you saw the huge amount of videos of conviction which started LAST E3. None of them had non-lethal takedowns. And like I showed in the first link, you can do full stealth. THERE IS EVEN A MODE ON CO-OP WHICH GIVES GAME OVER ONCE YOU ARE SPOTTED.

doobie1975

[QUOTE="doobie1975"][QUOTE="Arjdagr8"]

I'm guessing half the people here didn't use the sticky cams, portable emps, emp grenades, flash bangs and frags right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyXRqdQQjfkFull Stealth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVXabrfeThQStealth but killing everyone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7N3_rSmwCX0Playing it like a normal cover shooter

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-jl252DrUkRun and Gun

I hate it when people say they've dumbed it down when there are clearly plenty of different ways to go through the game.

And for those who were saying non-lethal takedowns, what exactly were you expecting after you saw the huge amount of videos of conviction which started LAST E3. None of them had non-lethal takedowns. And like I showed in the first link, you can do full stealth. THERE IS EVEN A MODE ON CO-OP WHICH GIVES GAME OVER ONCE YOU ARE SPOTTED.

toast_burner

[QUOTE="doobie1975"][QUOTE="Arjdagr8"]

I'm guessing half the people here didn't use the sticky cams, portable emps, emp grenades, flash bangs and frags right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyXRqdQQjfkFull Stealth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVXabrfeThQStealth but killing everyone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7N3_rSmwCX0Playing it like a normal cover shooter

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-jl252DrUkRun and Gun

I hate it when people say they've dumbed it down when there are clearly plenty of different ways to go through the game.

And for those who were saying non-lethal takedowns, what exactly were you expecting after you saw the huge amount of videos of conviction which started LAST E3. None of them had non-lethal takedowns. And like I showed in the first link, you can do full stealth. THERE IS EVEN A MODE ON CO-OP WHICH GIVES GAME OVER ONCE YOU ARE SPOTTED.

toast_burner

[QUOTE="toast_burner"][QUOTE="doobie1975"] that first video pretty much invalidates all the post ive seen saying its just turned into a mindless run and gun action game. doobie1975

And for those who were saying non-lethal takedowns, what exactly were you expecting after you saw the huge amount of videos of conviction which started LAST E3. None of them had non-lethal takedowns. Arjdagr8

AA makes the most sense, this is Gamespot after all.

The stealth elements are extremely weak compared to the shooting elements. People complained about MGS4 being to action and that look much worse then MGS4

toast_burner

Even after the demo, AAA is still in the lead.... strange.

After Demo - AA

Before Demo - A

Can't wait. Buy it as soon as posible.

Even after the demo, AAA is still in the lead.... strange.

Silverbond

31% say AAA or above

Humm....Going by the posts everyone is hyping it A or AA. Going by the poll AAA is tied with AA. I wonder why? :shock::P

Even after the demo, AAA is still in the lead.... strange.

Silverbond

Humm....Going by the posts everyone is hyping it A or AA. Going by the poll AAA is tied with AA. I wonder why? :shock::P

PAL360

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

I believe there was already a hype thread on it.

The problem with this hype thread is that it came out After the Demo, so people's hype is different.

M$ spent real money on securing this huge Splinter Cell 3rd Party game for a reason.

----------------

SPLINTER CELL METACRITIC HISTORY :

93 = 2002'sSplinter Cell (The original)

93 = 2004's Splinter Cell 2 : Pandora Tomorrow

94 = 2005's Splinter Cell 3 : Chaos Theory

85 = 2006'sSplinter Cell 4 : Double Agent (Super Short Cycle, still managed 85 which is higher than ODST btw)

XX= 2010's Splinter Cell 5 : Conviction (Super Long Cycle, coming soon...)

Why are People HYPING this game A again? It doesn't make sense. If anything, this game will be AA, if it doesn't make AAA here at GS.

A Hype makes no sense when you look into this like I have...even after playing the demo.

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How is this a Problem, you ask?

Well, how are people supposed to hype something they already know too much about?

Well, obviously people's hype is going to change from what it was....but it's not a problem, people are bound to feel differently.

That being said, I'm surprised to find people not remembering how HUGE a franchise SPLINTER CELL is, and how LONG this game has been in development to hype it as an A.

Does anyone really expect GS to give this game a 7? No way, it's not going to happen. IT's a different SC, but it's not going to be an average game. The only mistep was the last game, and that game didn't have a long dev cycle like this game.

Either way, constantly changing hype sets a bad precedent, but then again, somehow Heavy Rains hype was altered too, using other game sites scores to control the hype levels..to the point of crazyness, Metacritic and other sites scores were put in the name of the Thread to manipulate the Hype. This is the same thing, in reverse. Making a hype thread after playing the demo...from a GS poster that has only been here at GS since Feb 2010.

SW has changed over the years with new posters making the same old mistakes that veteran posters have learned over and over and over the years not to do. Now people are asking how it's a problem.

Bottomline, you will get this : "I voted A, because of the demo."

G-O-M-J

I'm saying people shouldn't be wishy washy, changing their hype left and right for the System Wars Meta game regarding Hype.

If you are talking about personal hype, people should change their expectations, sure.

However this entire time I have been talking about the SW Metagame, so if you are confused as to what that is, I understand. People shouldn't be adjusting their perdetermined SW Hype on games everytime a review comes out, a demo is released, or a press issued statement is released.

Also, I broke down the METACRITIC Metascores for Splinter Cell above, showing it's history as an AAA/AA franchise, as well as the development cycle for this game.

Humm....Going by the posts everyone is hyping it A or AA. Going by the poll AAA is tied with AA. I wonder why? :shock::P

PAL360

8.0-8.5 I think.

Demo was fun, if not super stealthy. I suggest waiting for the full game, since demos arent necessarily indicative of full games. I thought the controls were good, and kills were satisfying though.