System Wars Lounge V47: The 60FPS 1080P Edition

Nope it never did. I was just worried that some day it might. With how the weather has been changing here the past few years, it's possible it could have maybe reached the 60s.
Though with me being on the second floor, its a bit hotter up here compared to the lower floor during the summer.
The stock was fine imo, just me being worried was the problem. I didn't try the stock cooler with my 4670k, because I knew I was gonna OC it. So I moved my EVO over to this build.
Now my phenom is just sitting atm, but I might put the stock cooler back on it and start using it.

So I might be getting a PS4 and a 3DS (again) tomorrow >.>

that is a very honest and satisfying answer! yeap with the 'k' type intel cpu, overclocking is the way to go and yes, an aftermarket solution is the way to go. good stuff man.

i just think that amd/intel should ensure the thermal solution they include with each processor is adequate for most climates at stock clocks. otherwise what are they doing? sending me a bit of aluminium i can go recycle. haha!

Nah, there were still plenty of people playing. Thats a game that kind of boring to play without friends though

Its noisy and how is running at 70'C+ "fine"?

Go look at your temps when you are running those games. I bet you that stock cooler is struggling. A stock cooler is only really designed to handle light loads like web browsing, office work and movie watching. For the sake of $20 you get much cooler temps, a cooler that you will never hear and increased life span of your chip.

It depends alot on your case. If you have shit airflow, the temps will always go up. As I already said, for what we do with CPU's the stock CPU heatsink is not enough.

@clyde46: They've actually made a few decent stocked coolers recently, I actually like the one I have in mine atm.

I have and nothing I've seen concerns me. There's no doubt I would get cooler temps if I spent the money but considering that my hardware has been performing just fine for 2 years as is I've yet to see a cause for upgrade. Like CKA posted earlier, it would be quite something for me to use my processor and for it not to perform as advertised provided I use it within the parameters set by the manufacturer.

If LegSky wishes to buy a $100 cooler I have no further desire to advise on his purchases but if he's avoiding a better GPU or CPU because he feels the liquid cooling is neccessary then someone should tell him it simply isn't.

@clyde46:

i don't have any noise issues with my rigs. i'm well below 70°C, i've used loggers to check while running Unigine for 1hr+.

why add thermal solution if it's not necessary? your description of 'stock cooler' sounds more akin to the description of 'celeron'. for example, what is an i7 for? does an i7 come with a stock thermal solution? should that thermal solution handle a maximum load from that cpu at its stock clocks the whole day long - it should. unsurprisingly, under the environmental conditions intel say the cpu can be used, it will handle it all day long.

i find airflow easy to manage. but i like to buy the largest case possible, mostly because it's easier when i have to work in there. it also helps to leave a gaping hole where n00bs put optical drives (not really, just mentioned for comedic purposes)

i spent the "$20" on an aftermarket cooler once upon a time and that's part of the reason why I don't do it now.

AngryJoe streaming The Last of Us Remaster on Twitch for those interested.. watching him from my PS4, he sure keeps dying too much in the game lol

I died quite a bit in The Last of Us. Turning Listen Mode off was honestly a dumb choice by me.

It's basically wall hacks

@clyde46: hmmm I'll have to check the case again. I kinda want to roll with it.

So I can use the key twice? How?

And I'll look at the fan again to see if it fits.

no idea why anyone would watch that dude. he's fucking awful like almost all youtube streamers.

Not much has changed in my absence, SolidTy still has the most impressive gamerscore/Trophy stack on the site and there aren't any half interesting discussions going on after E3..

@SolidTy is just awesome thats why.

Hardcore to the core, the leader of the glorious HYPE union which still exists outside of the borders of Gamespot.

Have to agree with mems, Angry Joe is just a tool and a horrible gamer. The only streamer I only care about is pewdiepie

@commonfate: I'm purely gathering information, what's wrong with liquid cooling?

I don't really like any of those guys like Joe or pewdie. I forgot this guy's username but he made a video about Xbox vs PS4 and E3. He was explaining that people are stupid for thinking companies like Microsoft and Sony love them and give people stuff because they are "nice".

He had a pill bottle in the background.

@AgentA-Mi6 said:

@kitty said:

@AgentA-Mi6 said:

Not much has changed in my absence, SolidTy still has the most impressive gamerscore/Trophy stack on the site and there aren't any half interesting discussions going on after E3..

@SolidTy is just awesome thats why.

Hardcore to the core, the leader of the glorious HYPE union which still exists outside of the borders of Gamespot.

Thank you both kindly. :)

Using the key is easy. All you need to do is extract it using this program.

http://www.magicaljellybean.com/keyfinder/

Then once you've done that, download a legit Win7 ISO which you can do from torrent sites (the legit ISO starts a 30 day trial if you don't have a key). Create a USB installer and then install it as you normally would from a disc. The problem I see with that case is that its not designed for current computing. I don't believe it has the nessary mounting space for that cooler. You need space to mount a 240mm rad in there something and I don't think its got those mounting points. The CM690 II I linked does because I actually own one and I can tell you its a dam good case.

Now this could all be moot if you really want to stick with that case. In my opinion, you don't need that liquid cooler and this is coming from someone who owns a H100. That CM 212 is well known to provide exceptional cooling for very little. Its been around since the year dot but people still keep buying them for a reason, plus it should have no issue with fitting in your case.

Ewwww.

I have a 2600K and at stock, running BONIC it was actually throttling down because it was running over 90'C using the stock cooler. As I said before, the thermal solutions that both companies provide are "just good enough" to made the thing run but not much more. AMD's coolers are better but they suffer from increased noise. Intel's ones are just shit, I would get a 3'C difference between max RPM and minimum RPM. That $20 heatsink is one of the best on the market, not only will it give you lower operating temps which means your CPU's life span will increase thanks to the improved heat dissipation but it will also give you lower noise. I am worried about that case though, if he's going to OC'ing or playing in a warm room then I don't believe that case has the means of dissipating all that heat build up.

I see where you are coming from but I myself would never use or recommend the stock solution to anyone. Considering there are a vast selection of coolers that don't break the bank and will give you oodles of better cooling it seems silly not to.

If I didn't know any better, I'd swear Trails in the Sky's battle theme was composed by Michiru Yamane. Love it.
Liking the soundtrack a lot in general and the rest of the game too. Not far, but the writing so far is excellent. NPCs do more than just idle chatter like they normally would; they actually interact with the main characters in some way and vice versa and, at least in the starting town, actually know Estelle and Joshua. Gives a sense of believability you don't see very often.

Also, Estelle is cute. Cute is justice. Go buy the game if you haven't already.

Because it doesn't have David-fucking-Wise. Where's that pic when I need it?And why would Bing censor my search? :x

Seriously now, my memory of the Wii version (You're playing 3DS, right?) is that it relied a little too much on gimmicks like jumping into the foreground or background and slamming to cause stage effects. Got in the way of the actual platforming.

Nothing is particularly wrong with it. Chasing lower temps in and of itself is simply a luxury if your system is already stable.

Its not a luxury....

L2/R2 are aim/shoot in the PS4 version and Vita's rear touchpad acts as those, right? If you haven't, switch them to L1/R1.

And yeah, the collection is a problem too. Wasn't a problem back in the original DKCs, maybe 'cause they didn't have a glaring reminder that you didn't 100% the level and force you to slow down the game more than it should. Like the platforming itself though and the music isn't bad (TURN IT ON, DAMNIT. I don't care if Ariana is actually decent judging by the few songs of hers I listened to) Complimenting your taste in music, what's come over me?

I don't think anyone is stupid enough to even accidentally use the back TouchPad to shoot. The shoulder buttons are defaults for shooters in remote play anyways

When something brings secondary benefits (aka not necessary) but costs significantly more, it's a luxury.

Regardless, I have a difficult time imagining TLoU being hard to control on the Vita. I don't think running, Listen Mode, and the flashlight/spotting are used so often that they need dedicated buttons though they do help.

I did a combination of sorts of both Clyde's and Mine's Builds.

Turns out it's cheaper. :P

I'm not quite sure on Clyde's Method of Reusing my Windows 7 key considering it looks like, according to that site anyway, that I would be EXTRACTING the code from the computer I'm using now and transfer it to the new build. I'm getting not rid of the rig I'm using now, I'm just building a new computer. Unless I'm HORRIBLY mistaken.

Also I'm really trying to salvage that Case of mine. I want it to work, I really don't want to change it. So my questions now are

What is the Difference Between the MSI A88X-G45 GAMING FM2+ & GIGABYTE GA-Z97X-UD5H LGA ?

and What is the difference between the AMD A10-5800K Trinity Quad-Core 3.8GHz & Intel Core i5-4690K Haswell Quad-Core 3.5GHz ?

Those two comparisons look they would get the job done the same, but one's cheaper than the other. Is there something I should be looking out for?

Also Another reason why I left SSD is purely that one Clyde put up is no longer available at this time. Though I'm considering putting the OS on an SSD for faster loading. I'm also considering going CrossFire for this, As in putting down for another Sapphire. I was going to go with the Nvidia card so I can take advantage of the PhsyX stuff, but apparently you can configure this stuff using an AMD card too. I'll probably look more into it. Also I plan on putting another 8 GB Ram Stick in this build too to make a 16 gb build. Though the stuff I have up there is just to get me started. The Bluray Drive is purely just so I can watch my Blurays on my PC.

@Technoweirdo: Some games really don't translate well. Wolfenstein The New Order was plain not fun at times with the minimal effort they put into Remote Play.

But I agree with you on The Last of Us. I would think it would translate fine, especially with a first party game. Oh well. Don't know if I'll pick up the game yet.

Well, I do now have a job...

@LegatoSkyheart: Don't get an APU if you intend to get standalone GPU.

The 4690K completely destroy the A10 in every possible way for gaming. If you want to keep the budget low, I'd suggest the FX6300.

I saw Doom 4 in my dreams. then i woke up. DAMN!!!

Christ, Xrd is going to have a massive lobby system, as well as a tutorial and combo challenges. While the later is expected, the fucking lobbies though.

http://www.mediafire.com/view/3da1ie09qdx0dd8/190-191.png#

I'm playing Doom II on the 360 right now. Does that upset you?

Yeah, but whatever makes it easier to get past the boring as shit clicker sections.

I wanted the 4770k. I could have gotten it and a mobo for $100 cheaper than what I paid for my 4670k and mobo.

The one that came with the 4670k is pretty bad. People can see up the 80c range when gaming. But yes they should. At least something that won't make you worry when you want to do something with your computer. I don't think I'd want to try rendering any long vid on a stock one.

Just throw bottles at those fuckers. Bottles for everyone! Until you get to that section near the end that is just all clickers and bloaters...**** that place

@lostrib: For some reason Naughty Dog's post apocalyptic wasteland lacks bottles and bricks, two things that should be in abundance lol

Starting tomorrow, 07:00 I'm driving a truck.

First time playing last of us...

Grounded mode. I'm after the part with the "issue" with tess. So far the game is actually pretty hard for someone who hasn't played stealth games in a while (well... that's how I'm playing it and honestly really the only effective way on grounded it looks like), and even then its also a bit different than standard fare stealth. Issues so far are that the beginning was slow as shit, too much walking scenes and stealth game play is wonky at times (seen some funny ai and guards forgetting where you were a second ago). Overall though I can see why this game is considered a goty contender. It is a pretty good game.

my temps tested fine with the stock cooler under load. but after that worthwhile discussion, i think i'll be more vigilant in future. double check that the temps are fine under load in situ.

@CrownKingArthur said:

my temps tested fine with the stock cooler under load. but after that worthwhile discussion, i think i'll be more vigilant in future. double check that the temps are fine under load in situ.

I don't break 50'C on mine. In fact, my hottest core is 48'C and thats in a hot room with a dusty rad.

@clyde46 said:

@CrownKingArthur said:

my temps tested fine with the stock cooler under load. but after that worthwhile discussion, i think i'll be more vigilant in future. double check that the temps are fine under load in situ.

I don't break 50'C on mine. In fact, my hottest core is 48'C and thats in a hot room with a dusty rad.

That sounds about right. I have a 3770K and doesn't go higher than the 60's with a 4.6 OC. It's usually in the 50's now that I backed down to 4.2. It usually sits in the 30's when I'm not gaming which is nice. Now if only I could get my GPU's that cool...

Is it wrong that should MKX have a guest star, I'd want it to be Solid Snake? Yeah he wouldn't fit, but after playing Brawl and finding these, I can imagine what he, Col. Campbell and Otacon's conversations would be like towards the MK characters.

@GoldenElementXL said:

@clyde46 said:

@CrownKingArthur said:

my temps tested fine with the stock cooler under load. but after that worthwhile discussion, i think i'll be more vigilant in future. double check that the temps are fine under load in situ.

I don't break 50'C on mine. In fact, my hottest core is 48'C and thats in a hot room with a dusty rad.

That sounds about right. I have a 3770K and doesn't go higher than the 60's with a 4.6 OC. It's usually in the 50's now that I backed down to 4.2. It usually sits in the 30's when I'm not gaming which is nice. Now if only I could get my GPU's that cool...

My board sucks for OC'ing though. I just run mine at stock now with the Quiet Edition fans from Corsair. I'm going to build a 2011 rig soon.

Even their cheap FX cpus are a better choice. You're getting a GPU so there's no reason to grab an APU. I'd recommend shooting for Intel though and 4790k would be ideal. Way better performance and it'll last a long time. Don't think there's much of a difference between those motherboards besides the CPUs they support and the audio chips. Unless there's something about that Gigabyte you need, ASrock and MSI should offer what you need at a lower price. Plus they have decent onboard sound these days.

For Windows 7, if you already have a key then you don't need to buy it again. There's programs out there that'll let you view your product key if you didn't save it from before. W7 keys can be activated 5 times so you're safe to reuse it, and even then you can resort to sailing the high seas for methods around that.

I thought Nvidia patched out the hack for enabling GPU PhysX on AMD? I still wouldn't go that route anyway. Get whatever card you want.