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#201  Edited By mmmwksil
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@XVision84 said:

How so? I thought Clannad was amazing! What would be an example of a good one? (anime or visual novel)

After watching Clannad I wanted to watch more slice of life anime, but from what I've heard, nothing else is as good.

For clarification's sake I did not actually play the VN of Clannad, I saw the anime version only. Those who have done both are free to criticize me.

As for my personal choices on "slice of life" or even tossing in a bit of "coming-of-age":

  • Waiting in the Summer
  • Non Non Biyori
  • Hanasaku Iroha

Those are just my personal favorites off the top my head.

Edit: you and blackhawk sporting mirror image avatars is throwing me off stop that.

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#202 jg4xchamp
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@jg4xchamp

Unrelated, check this out.

Video games are a bad story telling medium, it is what it is.

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#204 deactivated-5d78760d7d740
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@mmmwksil said:
@XVision84 said:

How so? I thought Clannad was amazing! What would be an example of a good one? (anime or visual novel)

After watching Clannad I wanted to watch more slice of life anime, but from what I've heard, nothing else is as good.

For clarification's sake I did not actually play the VN of Clannad, I saw the anime version only. Those who have done both are free to criticize me.

As for my personal choices on "slice of life" or even tossing in a bit of "coming-of-age":

  • Waiting in the Summer
  • Non Non Biyori
  • Hanasaku Iroha

Those are just my personal favorites off the top my head.

Edit: you and blackhawk sporting mirror image avatars is throwing me off stop that.

Why do you think Clannad is garbage though? Garbage is a harsh word to use :P.

I'll add those to my list, maybe see if I like them after a few episodes. First on my list is Gurren Lagann though. Apparently it's really good. And that's after I'm done JoJo.

Do you remember me mmmwksil? You better not have forgotten! :P (It's been a while so I wouldn't blame ya ;)).

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#206 mmmwksil
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@XVision84 said:

Why do you think Clannad is garbage though? Garbage is a harsh word to use :P.

I'll add those to my list, maybe see if I like them after a few episodes. First on my list is Gurren Lagann though. Apparently it's really good. And that's after I'm done JoJo.

Do you remember me mmmwksil? You better not have forgotten! :P (It's been a while so I wouldn't blame ya ;)).

I didn't like it. I thought it was boring. I didn't like any of the characters. Then again, I did see it like... years ago so with a fresh take I might like it more. Who knows. Doubt it though.

And of course I remember you, XV. You were part of the squad back in the day. Better times, when this place was far livelier.

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#207 93BlackHawk93
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@charizard1605: You owe me something.

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#208  Edited By deactivated-5d78760d7d740
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@mmmwksil said:
@XVision84 said:

Why do you think Clannad is garbage though? Garbage is a harsh word to use :P.

I'll add those to my list, maybe see if I like them after a few episodes. First on my list is Gurren Lagann though. Apparently it's really good. And that's after I'm done JoJo.

Do you remember me mmmwksil? You better not have forgotten! :P (It's been a while so I wouldn't blame ya ;)).

I didn't like it. I thought it was boring. I didn't like any of the characters. Then again, I did see it like... years ago so with a fresh take I might like it more. Who knows. Doubt it though.

And of course I remember you, XV. You were part of the squad back in the day. Better times, when this place was far livelier.

:) I hope everything's been going well on your end.

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#209  Edited By deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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@charizard1605: You owe me something.

Ohhhh, right. I had completely forgotten lel.

When is the next sale?

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#210 93BlackHawk93
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@charizard1605 said:
@93BlackHawk93 said:

@charizard1605: You owe me something.

Ohhhh, right. I had completely forgotten lel.

When is the nest sale?

Hell If I know.

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@93BlackHawk93: I'll get you something then- maybe even Steins;Gate if it is cheap enough (assuming it is on Steam in the first place that is).

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@charizard1605: It's not on Steam.

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@mmmwksil said:
@XVision84 said:

How so? I thought Clannad was amazing! What would be an example of a good one? (anime or visual novel)

After watching Clannad I wanted to watch more slice of life anime, but from what I've heard, nothing else is as good.

For clarification's sake I did not actually play the VN of Clannad, I saw the anime version only. Those who have done both are free to criticize me.

As for my personal choices on "slice of life" or even tossing in a bit of "coming-of-age":

  • Waiting in the Summer
  • Non Non Biyori
  • Hanasaku Iroha

Those are just my personal favorites off the top my head.

Edit: you and blackhawk sporting mirror image avatars is throwing me off stop that.

I put the VN in my Steam wishlist out of slight interest and it ended up being gifted to me for Secret Santa, so I'm probably gonna try it out sometime, but it's so damn long and I'm not exactly an animu type of dude.

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#215 jg4xchamp
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@jg4xchamp: Hoo-boy! You were right about Enter the Gungeon. Good stuff, hombre.

Gagan's eye for hipster indie shit is pretty on point. Ah who am I kidding, my taste in all games is basically perfect. Like a savior from the heavens to help you people out from your own awfulness : D

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#216  Edited By indzman
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The Dark Aeons on FFX INTERNATIONAL are pretty ONE HIT KILL ENTIRE TEAM :(

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25k club awww yeah

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#218 mmmwksil
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@XVision84:It has been, yeah. Things could be so much worse so I really can't complain.

@Blabadon: You're going to have a bad time...

@indzman: Dark Valefor and Dark Ifrit are possible with planning and a spot of luck. Anything beyond them you NEED maxed Sphere Grids and possibly a few Celestial Weapons and well-crafted armor. Don't even try it otherwise.

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#219 Arach666
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@mmmwksil said:

@XVision84:It has been, yeah. Things could be so much worse so I really can't complain.

@Blabadon: You're going to have a bad time...

@indzman: Dark Valefor and Dark Ifrit are possible with planning and a spot of luck. Anything beyond them you NEED maxed Sphere Grids and possibly a few Celestial Weapons and well-crafted armor. Don't even try it otherwise.

Couldn´t you just cheese that shit and use zanmato on all of them? It works for Penance.

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#220 zassimick  Moderator
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Recently stopped my tabletop RPG campaign cause of a bunch of problems, some that stem to me just not having fun. None of the guys in my group are really showing interest in starting something.

Reached out to guy on Reddit who was looking for a game. Let's pray he's not a serial killer. If I don't return, it was hubris in my community's safety that done me in good.

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#221 mmmwksil
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@Arach666: Well, YEAH I guess so? But doesn't getting Yojimbo buttered up to use Zanmato take a bit of effort?

There are 8 of those Dark Aeons. That's a lot of Gil to convince him to whip out that many OHKOs. Almost seems better to save it for Penance who is a total pain to fight even with 255 on all stats.

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#222  Edited By Ballroompirate
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@Zassimick said:

Recently stopped my tabletop RPG campaign cause of a bunch of problems, some that stem to me just not having fun. None of the guys in my group are really showing interest in starting something.

Reached out to guy on Reddit who was looking for a game. Let's pray he's not a serial killer. If I don't return, it was hubris in my community's safety that done me in good.

Zasses last words was "Brp can has my stuff in FF14 ARR" XD

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#223  Edited By Arach666
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@mmmwksil said:

@Arach666: Well, YEAH I guess so? But doesn't getting Yojimbo buttered up to use Zanmato take a bit of effort?

There are 8 of those Dark Aeons. That's a lot of Gil to convince him to whip out that many OHKOs. Almost seems better to save it for Penance who is a total pain to fight even with 255 on all stats.

Yeah I dunno,I never bothered trying to beat any of them aside from Dark Valefor in besaid back in the day,I just seen some vids of folks beating Penance with zanmato so I figured. Mostly I just saw them as an annoyance on the post game gating certain areas. Couldn´t even get back to besaid ffs.

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@Maroxad said:

Decided to not buy a graphics card yet and wait for the new NVIDIA cards to come out before I decide on my graphics card. Will just use my old card until then.

@mitu123 said:

Batman v Superman was disappointing!

Haven't seen you in a while.

I hardly come here nowadays, though I like to drop by every once in a while. I blame Neogaf.

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#225 FireEmblem_Man
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I know this video is old, but Nintendo should have Tay Zonday play the Pokemon theme for Sun and Moon celebration and the 20th anniversary!

Does @charizard1605?

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@mmmwksil said:

@indzman: Dark Valefor and Dark Ifrit are possible with planning and a spot of luck. Anything beyond them you NEED maxed Sphere Grids and possibly a few Celestial Weapons and well-crafted armor. Don't even try it otherwise.

Yojimbo saved my ass on few of them lol, paid him well to perform his ONE HIT KILL Zanmato. HeHe

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@Arach666 said:
@mmmwksil said:

@XVision84:It has been, yeah. Things could be so much worse so I really can't complain.

@Blabadon: You're going to have a bad time...

@indzman: Dark Valefor and Dark Ifrit are possible with planning and a spot of luck. Anything beyond them you NEED maxed Sphere Grids and possibly a few Celestial Weapons and well-crafted armor. Don't even try it otherwise.

Couldn´t you just cheese that shit and use zanmato on all of them? It works for Penance.

Yep, spammed Zanmato on the dark aeons to Victory. If Yojimbo dosen't perform it or only performs Wakishaki, reload save. I had tons of cash to spare :P

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#229 93BlackHawk93
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@XVision84: Shit man, every time I read one of your posts I'm like "when did I ever write that?" lol.

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#230  Edited By deactivated-5d78760d7d740
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@93BlackHawk93 said:

@XVision84: Shit man, every time I read one of your posts I'm like "when did I ever write that?" lol.

Haha me too, what are the odds that we have almost identical icon/sig eh?

I guess great minds do think alike ;) :P.

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#231  Edited By indzman
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NEMESIS FINAL SHOWDOWN on FF X INT , AAAAAAAAA!!!

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@Ballroompirate: lol There really isn't all that much in the game... I've been considering picking it back up this summer but that all depends on the other games I have. I've got a good chunk of my backlog eaten away, but right now I'm looking at The Witcher 3 as my focus.

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*makes thread*

*goes to sleep*

*comes back to see over 200 pages of circular arguments*

jfc people

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#234  Edited By lostrib
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@charizard1605 said:

*makes thread*

*goes to sleep*

*comes back to see over 200 pages of circular arguments*

jfc people

smear campaign going strong

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Scholar of the First Sin/Dark Souls 2 is probably the closest I've come to actually being bored by a Souls game. Not that the other games don't have some shit areas, they do, but they are like a few speed bumps on what are otherwise very enjoyable games. Dark Souls 2 is a string of stuff I'll enjoy for a bit, and then a long ass stretch of "the **** were they on?". Also it does Bayonetta 2 thing of becoming a bit too much of a "boss rush the video game". Except Bayonetta 2's boss fights are hype, Dark Souls 2 hasn't had a single memorable boss yet.

In Dark Souls I remember the Gargoyles being a fun spike in the early going, the Gaping Dragon was a cool design, Moonlight Butterfly at least had some dope music, and then there was Sif the eternal badass that he is. The closest thing to a cool fight I had was Flexile Sentry, and it's like the game knew he was the coolest thing the game had at that point, because he shows up in the path to the Lost Sinner, who is poor man's Artorias.

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#236  Edited By deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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@jg4xchamp: So, like, me giving up on it and not pushing through with it is a good call, right? Cause I really can't say I've liked it enough to want to keep playing it so far. It doesn't seem to be as compelling or as... tight, for want of a better word... as Bloodborne was right off the bat.

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#237  Edited By jg4xchamp
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@charizard1605 said:

@jg4xchamp: So, like, me giving up on it and not pushing through with it is a good call, right? Cause I really can't say I've liked it enough to want to keep playing it so far. It doesn't seem to be as compelling or as... tight, for want of a better word... as Bloodborne was right off the bat.

I mean if you like that type of game, I still think it's enjoyable, but it's definitely Metroid Prime 3 tier of the **** were they on when they made these decisions? This stuff handled better, in the previous 2 games, to be fair Bloodborne has a few of those moments as well, but it's just a flat out stronger game because the core of that game is more consistent. The hit detection alone drives me fucking insane.

Also definitive proof that Dark Souls 2 is the worst: Texasgoldrush likes that one the best, that's how you know the game is sloppy lol

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#238  Edited By ConanTheStoner
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Yeah, Dark Souls 2 is the only one I didn't feel compelled to push through. I think I put in something like 12 hours and then set it aside. It's not that I didn't enjoy what I playing, but it didn't keep me motivated to go on the way Demons, Dark1, and Bloodborne did. Those games were like video crack once you get going. The kinds of games where I would play six hours without realizing it and still want to keep going. Dark Souls 2 I could only play in bursts of an hour or two.

If Fromsoft ever takes a good break from releasing these games, I'm certain I'll go back to it. It didn't seem like a bad game at all, just didn't have the hook I was expecting.

@jg4xchamp said:

Also definitive proof that Dark Souls 2 is the worst: Texasgoldrush likes that one the best, that's how you know the game is sloppy lol

This is what makes me question if FFVI is truly the greatest FF. Considering his typical views, he should be a FFVIII guy. Maybe Tex just had better taste in his youth, who knows.

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#239  Edited By FireEmblem_Man
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@Zassimick Finished watching the April Fools episode of Teen Titans Go! They sure love messing with those die hard fan's feelings :P especially with the title name being

BATMAN VS. TEEN TITANS: DARK INJUSTICE

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@ConanTheStoner said:

Yeah, Dark Souls 2 is the only one I didn't feel compelled to push through. I think I put in something like 12 hours and then set it aside. It's not that I didn't enjoy what I playing, but it didn't keep me motivated to go on the way Demons, Dark1, and Bloodborne did. Those games were like video crack once you get going. The kinds of games where I would play six hours without realizing it and still want to keep going. Dark Souls 2 I could only play in bursts of an hour or two.

If Fromsoft ever takes a good break from releasing these games, I'm certain I'll go back to it. It didn't seem like a bad game at all, just didn't have the hook I was expecting.

@jg4xchamp said:

Also definitive proof that Dark Souls 2 is the worst: Texasgoldrush likes that one the best, that's how you know the game is sloppy lol

This is what makes me question if FFVI is truly the greatest FF. Considering his typical views, he should be a FFVIII guy. Maybe Tex just had better taste in his youth, who knows.

Broken clock rule bro: Even a broken clock is correct twice a day.

Exceptions to the rule.

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FFVI is crap. It's loved through nostalgia in much the same way FFVII is revered.

You can do so much better than anything VI has to offer.

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#242  Edited By mjorh
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@ConanTheStoner said:

Yeah, Dark Souls 2 is the only one I didn't feel compelled to push through. I think I put in something like 12 hours and then set it aside. It's not that I didn't enjoy what I playing, but it didn't keep me motivated to go on the way Demons, Dark1, and Bloodborne did. Those games were like video crack once you get going. The kinds of games where I would play six hours without realizing it and still want to keep going. Dark Souls 2 I could only play in bursts of an hour or two.

If Fromsoft ever takes a good break from releasing these games, I'm certain I'll go back to it. It didn't seem like a bad game at all, just didn't have the hook I was expecting.

@jg4xchamp said:

Also definitive proof that Dark Souls 2 is the worst: Texasgoldrush likes that one the best, that's how you know the game is sloppy lol

This is what makes me question if FFVI is truly the greatest FF. Considering his typical views, he should be a FFVIII guy. Maybe Tex just had better taste in his youth, who knows.

Dark Souls 2 wasn't a Miyazaki game (he didn't direct it as he was busy being the lead director of Bloodborne), that's why it wasn't so compelling.

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#243 ConanTheStoner
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@mmmwksil said:

FFVI is crap. It's loved through nostalgia in much the same way FFVII is revered.

You can do so much better than anything VI has to offer.

I won't pretend that nostalgia isn't a factor in my love for the game, but it's a very small factor. If nostalgia was driving my opinions then FFIV and PSIV would trump FFVI for me, easily. Thing is, I don't rate those games anywhere near the top, even if they are among my favorite gaming memories as a child.

I'm pretty good about checking my nostalgia. I replay a lot of my old favorites and more often than not, I come away disappointed. The majority of them don't come close to matching my memories.

Though some games, a rare few, match or exceed my memories of them. Games like SMB3, SMW, LttP, Super Metroid, Chrono Trigger, etc. absolutely hold up. FFVI is another one of those games. My last replay was a year or two ago and I appreciated the game more now than I ever did back in my youth.

Glad you mentioned FFVII, that's another example. When I first picked up FFVII I thought it was the greatest game of all time. I was enthralled, I couldn't believe how "amazing" it was. Now? I can't even play through the game. On the flip side, I could start up a new FFVI file tonight and be having a great time.

Of course you're going for the incendiary approach here, in no way can FFVI be considered crap lol. You don't think it's great? Cool. You don't even think it's good? Well, that's fine. But crap? Nope. Especially not so if we're comparing it to other games in the series.

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@mjorh said:

Dark Souls 2 wasn't a Miyazaki game (he didn't direct it as he was busy being the lead director of Bloodborne), that's why it wasn't so compelling.

Yeah, I get that. Almost seems like they shouldn't have even bothered. Franchise fatigue will start settling on these games soon, no point in squeezing in a less-than-stellar effort.

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#245 jg4xchamp
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If we're going with jrpgs are shit, I have no real problem with calling FF6 crap, it's a small price to pay. If we're arguing that genre went on to do better things than FF6? Nope, not even remotely close.

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#246 mmmwksil
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@ConanTheStoner:

Well friend, as with everything it does not apply on an individual basis but more a generalization.

It has a lousy progression (Leveling) system and a weak story and equally weak cast to prop it up. The music, interesting villain and visually interesting world are the only things it has going for it.

Also, I don't think it can hold a candle to various other games in the series. Like IV, V, X-2 and XII IZJS.

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#247 mmmwksil
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@jg4xchamp said:

If we're going with jrpgs are shit, I have no real problem with calling FF6 crap, it's a small price to pay. If we're arguing that genre went on to do better things than FF6? Nope, not even remotely close.

Well, I have to ask for clarification on this statement, Champ.

What would you consider to be "better things"?

I feel that anything FFVI did was outdone if not by Atlus, by Enix and their DQ series.

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Well for starters Atlus has a poor sense of pace and the dungeons in their games are historically sloppy. SMT3 is a bit of an exception in that regard, and even then that game has stretches that are straight tedious. But given how much of that genre was turn based RPGs, FF6 benefits very similar to Chrono Trigger, by just being better paced than a lot of that genre. Persona gets by on a lot of questionable gameplay tedium on pure personality of its characters, which is fine and all, but 6 is a better put together game. Just one with a really shitty plot, because all Final Fantasy games have bad plot, all of them.

Only DQ I played is the one on PS2, there are STD's I would rather have than say positive things about that game.

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#249 mmmwksil
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@jg4xchamp:

I can't say I agree with the pacing in VI, since I found most of the first half to be near pointless "point A to point B because lame reasons" and the second half was almost optional. But I can see how it appears far more streamlined compared to most other JRPGs, both in the series and out.

I am tempted to cry over the DQ comment but I freely admit the series is pretty much a form of madness in itself. But I did grow up with it so I can't help but love it.

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#250 jg4xchamp
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@mmmwksil said:

@jg4xchamp:

I can't say I agree with the pacing in VI, since I found most of the first half to be near pointless "point A to point B because lame reasons" and the second half was almost optional. But I can see how it appears far more streamlined compared to most other JRPGs, both in the series and out.

I am tempted to cry over the DQ comment but I freely admit the series is pretty much a form of madness in itself. But I did grow up with it so I can't help but love it.

I listened to aljosa explain on skype how he was farming slimes for whatever dumb reason, while he openly shits on Diablo with me, for exactly the reasons that I think Diablo is aids feces. I was like brah? R u serious?

I might give the new one a go, or dig up that one that was on the DS/3DS or whatever.