The arguments against a shared Xbox One and PC ecosystem are quite silly

@tushar172787:

Still, I might have killed the discussion before it got a chance to get started. :P

@deeph said:

Are you seriously using desktop? When I said apple and google you should have already know about what market I was talking about.

And thats how it looks like from your own source:

https://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=8&qpcustomd=1

"truly massive Asian PC market"

Loled hard. List me sales numbers for games like quantum break or comparable AAA games please.

"Windows 10 has, in less than a year since release, gained a greater market share"

By giving it out for free, bundling every new PC/Laptop with it and using an system update to prompt people to upgrade.

"I'd also like to know where you got "While they lost billions chasing Sony" from as well. More made up 'facts'?"

Hard to do when MS stopped reporting sales numbers and started adding different division to their xbox division to mask profits and loses because they are embarrassed of the performance. But they lost with the xbox 1 billions, RROD cost them billions and they are price cutting the xbone like crazy for the last two years. Even if they did get a little money the opportunity costs alone makes the whole xbox expedition a huge failure.

I would suggest you take a step back and look at the reality, but I guess the opportunity of getting more console scraps makes you even believe and defend MSs bullshit, lol.

Edit: Remembered that some nintendofanboy made a graph about profits some years ago so take it with a huge pinch of salt.

What the blazes does the mobile market have to do with Xbox One and PC? Besides how can they lose what they've never had in the first place?

The Asian market, especially China, is the largest single gaming market in the world today

Source

You know there is a reason why both Sony and Microsoft have fought long and hard to get their consoles into China. They want a slice of that $22 Billion, the majority of which is gathered on the PC environment. Console games haven't sold well there because they have never managed to penetrate the market, putting them on PC is one possible way of garnering interest.

What you're failing to understand here is that I'm not saying it is what MS are up to but a POSSIBLE outcome and goal. No one really knows but MS and it's more feasible than MS abandoning the Xbox brand. On that note you, as a Sony fan, really don't want MS to abandon console gaming because you really don't want a gaming environment controlled by a near monopoly. (hint: Monopolies are very bad)

Is a 5 year out of date chart made by a Nintendo fanboy the best you can find for evidence that MS have spent billions chasing Sony? Come on you can do better than that!

If the best version of multi-plat games as well as getting big 'console exclusives' (SFV, Quantum Break etc.) are scraps then I'll happily keep them coming to augment the vast amount of PC exclusives that we get and never appear on console.

I don't even mean just PC gamers. There are lots of people in general who play on console only, because they simply can't or don't want to spend money on building a high end desktop PC. These people won't suddenly buy a high end PC instead of an Xbox One if they want to play Quantum Break. It's laughable that someone would even be surprised by this.

uninspiredcup, is that you? :P

It's not a shared eco-system though since it's just Windows 10 support and no cross-play. MS just wants to make W10 successful and don't care about the X1. Int he long run the Xbox brand is getting smaller and smaller and soon will cease to exist. Only blind MS loyalists will not except this fact. This move is great for W10, but bad for Xbox.

I don't get you... There are far more people who have a PC that's capable of playing Quantum Break than Xbox One owners. Also, You definitely don't "need a high-end PC" to play Quantum Break.

According to your earlier assumption, Since the amount of PC gamers who have a PC capable of playing Quantum Break is "very small", by that logic, wouldn't that make the Xbox One owners non-existent/rare/in the minority?

That just proves my point, that is even building a computer from scratch could cost less than what TC said. This idea of Pc gaming being expensive is inaccurate, since there's no set price tag. Therefore Pc gaming is as expensive as you want it to be; that's the great thing about Pc gaming.

@blufalconultra:

Exactly I don't have a high-end PC (it's better than average) and I can run QB. Also his point about people not buying a high end PC just to play QB is ironic since no one is going to buy an X1 for QB either and the Xbox fans who claimed they did only said so because it was formerly exclusive lol. It is a better investment to buy a high end PC than an X1, because at least you are buying it to play games at their highst settings as well as multiple purposes and the X1 is only good for playing games, but their are better options with PC and the other console.

$1350 pc.. Hahhahahhahahaahaaaaa...

Dude a 7770 would beat the xbox one for sure just like it happen with Ryse a 7770 did 1080p and had sharper textures a $1350 lol not even close..

Just like Quantum Break the ps4 has a metric ton of games and you lemmings refuse to see them but some how QB being on PC now is ok. I dont have a problem counting those but they count for both sides and the ps4 is killing the xbox one in that department.

True exclusives the xbox one has 2 games is lol worthy the ps4 has like 12.

My bad. "High end" isn't exactly the correct term, especially if you're looking at minimum requirements rather than recommended.

That said, far more people who have a PC capable of playing Quantum Break than Xbox One owners? In what world? Even the minimum requirement cites a GTX 760, which while being nowhere near high end, is a card you won't find in a PC that someone buys to do day to day stuff. If we go upto recommended requirements, even the Steam userbase only has 4.13% users with a GTX 970, and a measly 0.88% with a GTX 980. Both R9 390 and R9 Fury X are below 0.15%.Source: http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey

And this is just the people who already play games on their PC.

Please stop thinking that the people at System Wars somehow represents gamers in general. Most people don't even look at the option of a gaming PC. They just pick a console and go with it. This is why Quantum Break being on PC makes no difference to the "console war".

And yeah, it's certainly a better investment to build a PC, from the perspective of a PC gamer. But to someone who already has a PC to do day to day work and just wants to play some games? You have to be downright delusional to think the majority of them would go for spending more money on a new PC.

@deeph

"It does have everything to do with Xbone and PC. MS did think that consoles were the gateway to the living room and went after Sony with xbox because they were afraid to let them reign free. But smartphones and tablets are the real threat to their core business. Smart devices are competing against traditional PCs and Mobile PCs and they are already bigger than them and will get even more marketshare in the future leaving the classical PC far behind and MS has almost no presence with their OS in that market. Got it?Edit: Lemmings are plain dumb, MS/Phil are fucking them and hermits are pulling wool over their eyes while they take it with a shit eating grin."

Lol, talk about clutching at straws, The tablet and mobile industry is hitting console gaming way harder than PC gaming, you are aware that console gaming market share is in decline and PC gaming's is growing, yes? You've gone from making foolish statements to outright idiotic ones. Yes mobile gaming is on the cusp of overtaking PC and becoming the largest gaming sector but it surpassed consoles years ago.

"So you cant show me a sales numbers for comprable AAA games? Dont worry I knew you could not. The market is dominated by MMO, Browser and Social gaming. So its ridiculous of you to use games with no pull like quantum break to try to make a dent in the market while devaluing the xbox brand at the same time. It would be much easier for MS to make some shitty MMO or whatever if they really wanted to get in the market so thats clearly not their focus with moving away from xbone exclusives."

So you're saying that Sony and MS are completely wasting their time trying to penetrate any potential market that can be exploited in China? I'm fairly sure both of those companies have carried out their market research and know what they are doing. Yes the Chinese love MMO's but do you want to provide some proof that it's dominated by Browser and Social games. Especially when there aren't any in the top 10 games played. You really need to stop making shit up and then presenting as fact because you said so.

"And I call your "POSSIBLE outcome and goal" that you constructed in you mind delusional. Why are your silly delusions more feasible than MS abandoning the Xbox brand?"

A possible outcome is a theory in exactly the same way as you saying Xbox has been abandoned by MS. I'm not saying it's a fact or that its definite, so how is it delusional? I think you need to go read a dictionary before replying and understand the definition of the words you want to use.

"Monopoly is bad? Agreed, but having MS as one of the main competitor is even worse."

So you agree that a Monopoly is bad but think that having competition is worse! And you call me delusional?

"Well If you really want to know go and look up their financial reports before they started mudding the water. But the chart its more or less in line in how it should look like."

How can we know when you haven't shown anything to back up your statement other than a fanboy chart (which shows everyone chasing Nintendo) from 5 years ago. I didn't make the proclamation, you did, you should be able to back up your statements of fact with data. I have looked up MS's revenue for 2016 and so far they made $6 Billion in new profit.

"Of course you want them to keep going. Console scraps are the ambrosia of hermits and thats the reason you eat up Phils shit and even construct arguments in favour to them, they themselves did not even make. If the xbox fanbase would start to make a stink it would be harder for MS to put every game on PC so you and other people on the internet make up silly scenarios to calm their nerves. Best case scenario for hermits craving them delicious console scraps is that MS stays in the console business and ports all their games to PC because herms know that PC alone is unable to substain the majority of big budget games."

PC games for 2016 yeah like we need scraps. You still haven't explained how getting the best version of multi-plats and so called console exclusives are scraps? Games like Street Fighter V, No Man's Sky, Firewatch are coming to PC where as I'm not seeing top PC exclusives like Total War: Warhammer or Star Citizen/Squadron 42 being announced for any console.

On that note why are Sony allowed to support PC with their games and MS are not, yet MS have a far greater vested interest in PC gaming than Sony?

There are only 2 PS4 exclusives that I have any interest in - Uncharted 4 and Horizon. It's really not any better than the Xbox One dude.

1. Lol, You shouldn't take "minimum requirements" seriously.. Xbox one's GPU is a HD 7770 and it runs the game, Imagine how many PC gamers have a gaming PC that outperforms that... Hell, a GTX 750 Ti ($100 low power card) beats the PS4 and considerably outperforms the X1.

2. My statement is true, let's take a look at the survey..

GTX 970 users: 4.1%

GTX 960 users: 2.5%

GTX 750 Ti users: 2.4%

GTX 760 users: 2.2%

GTX 660 users: 1.7%

AMD 7900 users: 1.6%

GTX 860m users: 1.6%

GTX 770 users: 1.3% -

AMD HD 8800 users: 1.5%

GTX 980 users: 0.9% .. etc etc

these graphics cards all outperform the XB1 in games by large margins, and total = 20% (excluding many other graphics cards)

Now, taking 125 Million active steam users (last year's figure, this year it should be close to 140), the number of PC gamers able to considerably outperform the XB1 is around 25 Million (Again, not counting many other graphics cards, and outdated no. of users). What was the No. of XB1's sold in Feb 2015 again? Number of VR-ready PCs are approx 13 million (You need at least GTX 970/R9 390 for VR) which is in-line with my statement, with a further 10-15% for mid range 100-200$ cards.

3. I never claimed that console gamers would build a PC, my problem was with your original assumption that the number of PC gamers who are capable of playing Quantum Break are extremely low, which is already disproved... read my post again.

4. LINK to where I said system wars represents gamers in general?

5. And even more people wont bother to get a console, as proven by steam numbers.

6. LINK to where I said otherwise?

7. Already proven by steam statistics that there are more than 25 million PC gamers (low balling it) that considerably outperform the xbox one.

Please provide proof to your original assumption that very few people don't have a PC that is capable of playing Quantum Break.

I never said otherwise.. But:

1) You need to include a full system build

2) Amazon is not the cheapest place for computer hardware

I have a 390 PCS+ and it's closer to the PS5/Xbox Two than the XO. Some perspective of where XO falls on the hardware ladder...

I'm taking minimum requirements seriously because I have been playing PC games including a lot of console ports for a long time. I know how bad they can be. Of course every now and then you'll have developers publishing bullshit inflated requirements. But that doesn't mean a PC with equivalent specifications to an Xbox One can play Quantum Break. It never works that way. Just because the Xbox One has a weak GPU, doesn't mean a weak GPU will play Quantum Break on PC.

So the important point is that at the moment, less than 6% of the Steam userbase meets recommended requirements for this game.

Then there's a whole lot of gamers outside the Steam userbase, playing solely on consoles. PSN and Xbox Live together have what, like 200 million members? Now if there are people among them who were considering buying an Xbox One to play Quantum Break, do you think they're going to suddenly go "oh, no, I'll just build a better PC than an Xbox One"? Sure as hell not. That's why Microsoft won't have problems due to this. Whether Quantum Break is really going to be a system seller, I don't know. I personally wouldn't have bought an Xbox One to play it. But if some of the many console-only gamers were going to, then they'd still buy it.

Of course, this is also not just one way. There could've been PC gamers who were thinking of buying an Xbox One for this. But now they could just play it on PC. That's where Microsoft ropes them into their new universal app Windows Store ecosystem that they're trying so hard to push. The store that a lot of traditional PC users including myself don't want to use thanks to anything it sells being terribly closed down, killing some of the biggest positives of PC gaming.

In the end, either outcome is a plus for Microsoft. Either they sell an Xbox One or they get someone to use their store.

@starjet905

let me put it this way:

What if ALL Xbone games went to PC?

Day 1?

Forza Halo Gears?

No problem? Then why MS hasnt done this already? If this is so beneficial? If they will MAKE MORE MONEY? What are they dumb to resist profits?

Why they keep Forza Halo Gears exclusive to Xbone?

And Sony is so dumb?

Think about it

@True_Gamer_: PC cannibalizes console sales, Microsoft will only share low risk games or potential flops.

Alan Wake barely sold, their new game has the most rubbish hobbit and xman.

I.e. gimmicky....

You guys realize there are USED PC gaming rigs out there for sale right? Just saying you don't have to spend $1k + to play PC games. Typically most PC gamers have a stash of hardware and only upgrade whats needed, it's not like most of them go out and spend much each time. PC Gamer mags have a section each month where they show optimal and balanced builds for low, middle and high end and you can shop for used parts to save more if you wanted. Prudent and patient shoppers can play the latest PC games for the cost of a console if they really wanted to. You can also get Windows 7 pro for just $50 on eBay then do the W10 free upgrade.

Your options for saving money going PC are far greater than your options for console when going all brand new if you include sales and game sales and just doing research and having patience since console stuff is a bit lighter on sales

Of course they're not going to release everything. Why does it have to be all or nothing?

As for Sony, they don't have a stake in PC gaming like Microsoft does. Microsoft owns Windows, DirectX and the Windows Store. Sony doesn't have any equivalents for those.

@deeph

"So I guess smart devices hitting consoles "way harder" is another reason that MS will pull out of the console business."

I don't care if MS stay in the console business or not, I don't own an Xbox One (in fact the sole 8th gen console I do own is a PS4) but it's still not relevant to Xbox or PC operating systems (i.e. Windows 10) or MS losing a market share they in fact never had.

"China is just a market like any other markets for Sony. They want to sell hardware there or do you think Sony is wasting resources by releasing in finland or so on? But you implyed something completely else. About your list... did you even take a look at it? You are supporting my claim. Where are the AAA games like quantum break here? "

Still not relevant to the fact that Sony and MS would like Chinese people to buy their 'AAA' (you know that's not an indication of quality) games, the fact that they don't right now is irrelevant to what could happen in the future, stop blinkering yourself. None of the games in the top ten games list from China are "Browser" or Social [media] games, that's not supporting your claim at all.

"Stop blabbling shit. Theories need to be supported and you are constructing silly scenarios worth nothing."

Logic is all you need to lay the foundations of a theory, just because you don't want to accept it does not make it wrong.

"You really are some whinny little bitch moving goalposts like this. Are we talking about Xbox here or how much office made them? but I guess anything goes as long you can keep your silly arguments going."

You made the statement originally and failed to provide current data to back up your 'facts'. A table from 2012 and a link about RRoD on 360 is not current. Besides aren't we talking about all the markets MS are involved in, if not then why did you bring mobile phone and tablet O/S's into the conversation?

"Need to? No, the majority does not buy those games because they are busy playng mobas and farmvile but herms on the internet yeah they want dem delicious console scraps."

More worthless statements presented as fact without proof, the PC games market is not the most lucrative and attractive out the entire industry because everyone is playing LoL. We can go into the tit for tat sales figures for games if you want. Why do you think there are so many titles that would have normally been exclusive to any individual console also coming to PC as well as the abundance of exclusive games available? Please allow that to sink in for a minute and then once you have, ask yourself if your statement makes even the slightest bit of sense.

The simple fact of the matter all comes down to this

PC gaming is worth more than console gaming and will continue to be so, Microsoft have a near monopoly on the desktop/laptop environment (this is a bad thing and I wish that a true viable competitor could step up to the plate) where the majority of PC gaming occurs, they want a big slice of that pie and are in a far better position than Sony are to exploit it. As much as you think this is MS turning their backs on a console, you don't like and don't want to be in competition with Sony anyway, it's really all about making more money, it doesn't matter which continent or country it comes from as long as it fills their coffers, they don't care.

980ti ultra?

I assume ultra means above 1080p

At the end of the day, this is all about leverage.. Since the PS2 days, game developers have exponentially stopped putting their biggest games on a single console.. The rising costs of game development for big budget titles all but demanded this course of action..

As such, an Xbox One exclusive may not sell enough copies to justify a developer not reaching out to the 36~ million PS4 owners out there..

In the same sense, a PS4 exclusive may not sell enough copies to justify a developer not reaching out to the 19~ million Xbox One owners out there..

But with a 2:1 install base advantage, Sony has a certain amount of leverage they can potentially use to get a developer to take that risk though.. And that's a potential problem for Microsoft..

By Microsoft combining the Xbox One platform with the PC platform in terms of a unified install base of Windows 10 devices that problem is not only addressed, it becomes absolutely non-existent and future proof.. Looking at the numbers, including the Xbox One, Windows 10 currently has an install base of over 200 million devices.. Even if only 35% of that number is used for core gaming, that's still 70 million Windows 10 gaming devices that Microsoft can use as leverage to get a developer to make a game exclusive to XB1/PC.. Now all of a sudden, that 2:1 advantage has reversed in the favor of Microsoft.. And that's 200 million devices in less than 6 months versus 36 million PS4s in over 27 months.. How many Windows 10 devices will be out there in another year?.. Some estimates put the Windows 10 install base at 1 billion in that time frame.. You want to talk about sales numbers and install bases?.. You want to talk about leverage?.. Let's talk..

As a result, PC gamers get more games to play and Xbox One gamers get more console exclusives that can't be played on PS4.. It's a win/win..

The Xbox One's support from developers won't be tied purely to console sales.. It's more-so tied to overall number of Windows 10 devices and Xbox Live users.. It'll be tied to a unified ecosystem..

Again, only time will tell but this strategy not only addresses the PS4 sales advantage but also puts Microsoft leagues ahead of the curve in terms of the direction gaming in general is headed in the coming digital age.. where unification and lack of dependence on a single peice of plastic is going to be the key to success..

/thread

@True_Gamer_: Cost they where waiting for Directx 12 to come to PC.

If you have to buy a well spec'd PC to play or an Xbox One to play Quantum Break then it keeps the Xbox One attractive to the main stream audience.

I expect all games going forward will do this. Maybe with some delay between launch but they will all end up on PC.

Microsoft wins either way and this is good for Xbox One owners and PC owners (high spec).

Only old school system wars fanatics will have the problem.

What the hell are you even saying?? Whats a cow or a lem and a herm? Obviously i know a cow is an animal but i have a feeling thats not the definition behind the word people keep using on forums.

Lol, this is the GS SW barnyard....

PC gamers = Hermits

Xbox gamers = Lemmings

Nintendo gamers = Sheep

PS gamers = Cows.

Apple gamers = Worms and Sega games = Hedgehogs ( made these up ) :P

Clear as mud now I hope.

lmao, yep clear as mud now.

This.

No matter what people say, consoles being more like PC and all that jaz, this is a reality and not just on system wars.

It's a good move for MS as far a profits are concerned which will make stock holders sit easier but not for the xbox one as a console.

What will happen when xbox one is turned into a feather duster by MS because of sales and they release a new system and stop supporting xbox one while that mid range PC is still able to play all of xbox one's old games on top of new games?

That money invested in xbox one will be down the drain your support for the system will be for nothing really.

You can always tell what MSes next big announcement will be when the plants start pre-empting dumbassery of this magnitude.

Isn't the ps4 doing the same exact scenario with SFV?

Why do they get a pass!?

Easy, people settle for console standards over PC because of the promise of better console exclusives that never see the light of day on PC.

I will just say I speak for all traditional console gamers on this matter since this has always been my argument and what us traditional console gamers have always felt. I never cared that PC got superior multiplats since I viewed console exclusives in a higher regard than exclusive games that PC received. With the xbox one, that argument is now nurfed.

Yup, but of course lems try to spin it any way they can. smh

No you don't seem to be informed at all. SFV was announced as a PS4 and PC game from day 1.

Quanturm Break was supposed to be an xbox one exclusive that had people anticipating buying the console under the assumption it wouldn't be available anywhere else for years and now reveled to be coming to PC day 1 a couple months before it releases.

I don't know why you keep mentioning SFV, it's in no way comparable and I believe I've mentioned this to you once before.

@casharmy: I never followed the one before and don't recall if they called it an exclusive, since the ps4 is my main console, I just don't suck Sony off like most of you

So was QB hailed as exclusive day one?

Again, not sure why this is an issue. Sounds to me like a lot of self entitled whining over nothing.

First off I don't suck off anyone idiot, I'm just giving you the facts and if you can't handle since you are the one putting out false information then it's you sucking MS's dick spreading lies related to PS4.

And of course QB was hailed as an xbox one exclusive since day one, I would not have made my post if the comparison you gave using SFV was not a complete contradiction to the QB situation.

@casharmy: lmao I'm spreading lies now? How? Did I hit a nerve?

Add me on ps4 bro, you are clearly butt hurt because all I did was bring up street fighter.

What are you, 12?

It is comparable. Both games are console exclusives. Do you honestly believe that the sole reason someone was excited to play Quantum Break was because it was ONLY on the XBox?

You're an idiot because you tried to lie and spread misinformation saying SFV was the same as QB. Clearly you are a bitter xbox troll desperate to damage control this xbox one situation in any way you can.

I don't care that you brought up SFV, I care that you tried to mislead people with your lies claiming that it was the same thing MS did with QB which I have clearly proven isn't the case.

run along now..

@casharmy: lmao what lies kid?

Both games are identical on coming out for PC and being a console exclusive, you're the one that's about to cry

Hahah damn dude, you really are dedicated to your fanboyism

Not in the way the DrkeX troll was suggesting, not at all.

Bringing up SFV made no sense at all really since it wasn't a cover up used to get people who would rather get the game on PC to buy it on PS4.

There are certain games people like to come to a system to simply enjoy being able to play them, and then there are certain games that make people want to decided to purchase a system for, Quantum Break was the latter of those for xbox one.

Even with the Street Fighter V example there are still PS4 exclusives like Uncharted 4, Horizon Zero Dawn and Ratchet n Clank that people want to buy the system for while still being able to enjoy SFV. For xbox one, QB was one of those games people were looking to or have already bought a xbox one for, there are no alternatives to use where xbox one is concerned.

You have a funny way of spelling "facts"

run along now little lying lem, your damage control failed

@tdkmillsy:

A 7770 would beat the xbox one on this game i am sure.

Is not that expensive

@casharmy said:

@DrkeX said:

@casharmy: lmao what lies kid?

Both games are identical on coming out for PC and being a console exclusive, you're the one that's about to cry

Hahah damn dude, you really are dedicated to your fanboyism

You have a funny way of spelling "facts"

run along now little lying lem, your damage control failed

Does it really matter IF its a last minute multiplat or always a multiplat, both games are available on PC and like all you cows mention people are going to play the better version, which will be the PC version of both.

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Ownage, approved @casharmy

@casharmy: what's you psn? Or pm me

Funny you think I'm a lem, that's your only counter argument

Let's play some last of us multiplayer

@Antwan3K: "buy/build/maintain a potentially $1350-$2000+ gaming PC" lol a $300 PC will run it as good as the X1, the requirements (for a much better quality than X1) is a fx-6300 + r7-260x