The Fad is over- Japan Sales: PS3 35k, X360 13k, Wii 22k

Why don't you post the weekly numbers for the past 6 months? kingtito

http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=Wii®1=Japan&cons2=PS3®2=Japan&cons3=X360®3=Japan&start=39509&end=39873

Maybe the reason Japanese people aren't bying teh Wii now is because a lot of them got them around christmas.

Its about time!Soulja_West

Suddenly, Monster Hunter Tri appears...

And fanboys go back to their "U CANT PLAY SEILZ LOL" mantra.

The Wii starts to sell poorly and everyone thinks it going to stop selling? Just from it selling poorly for a short time.

[QUOTE="Soulja_West"]Its about time!TX360

so a big ps3 game came out. (what was it BTW) this won't last.

so a big ps3 game came out. (what was it BTW) this won't last.

Heydanbud92

Yakuza 3. You are right it, won't last however. I give it a month tops.

so a big ps3 game came out. (what was it BTW) this won't last.

Heydanbud92

SO4 and Yakuza 3 just released, games put systems up in Japan all the time. I imagine the same will happen again once DQX and Monster Hunter 3 release.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

No. The snes, PS1, and PS2 were certainly popular but they were not treated as fads.

You didn't turn on comedy central and see some comedian devote an entire section to "this new PS1 thing." Grinning_Demon

And? Please tell me, when do you stop calling something a fad and start aknowledging it as a successfull product ?

What seperates both? Somebody talking about it on TV makes it a fad? No, it means its popular with the mainstream crowd, and with adults, something the PS1 wasnt.

No one was using their snes as an excercise method.

Those systems weren't treated like the wii. The wii is not treated like a console. It is treated like a fun new toy by the general public. THAT is who nintendo is adopting into their fanbase.

hakanakumono

General public always treated consoles as toys. The diference is that they aknowledge it as a valid form of entertainment now instead of completely dismissing it as a loser/manbaby7/nerd's hobby.

You seem to have a wierd perception that the mainstream audience takes the PS360 seriously lol, they dont give a crap about them. Its the painfull truth

It's both a fad and a successful product.

TV isn't a fad because its well integrated into the lives of people as not only a source of entertainment, but news. It has also existed for longer than a decade.

No, the PS1 actually did expand videogames to not only a larger age group, but it also created a reputation for videogaming as more of an adult hobby than it had previously been seen with the snes and genesis - because of games such as Resident Evil and Tomb Raider that came to define its library.

The wii pulls in a different audience than those who bought PS2s last gen - although it pulls many of them in as well. The wii pulls in people who have never experienced gaming - to gaming, and its much more of a toy to them than other casuals who have simply grown up with gaming, owning a few games and having a console int heir home.

I'm not saying that people do - in fact, you bring up an excellent point. People who buy the wii could care less about other consoles. They're not knowledgable about them. The wii is simply the videogame system that got their attention. It's something new. They're not out to buy a videogame system, they're out to buy a toy.

How people view consoles is evident in the games they buy.

For the PS1, games like Resident Evil and Final Fantasy were being played by those who had never really got into gaming before, or never played antyhing beyond games like mario and sonic - more child oriented games.

For the wii, games like Carnival Games are selling fairly well because people who are new to gaming, and do not buy wii with the intention of buying a game console, view the system as a minigame collection in itself.

I'm so happy that people have started to see the Wii for what it really is. :Dxsubtownerx

Yeah, in JAPAN.

[QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="GundamGuy0"] Is a year good?

http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=Wii®1=Japan&cons2=PS3®2=Japan&cons3=X360®3=Japan&start=39509&end=39873

Maybe the reason Japanese people aren't bying teh Wii now is because a lot of them got them around christmas.

jsmoke03

It's both a fad and a successful product.

TV isn't a fad because its well integrated into the lives of people as not only a source of entertainment, but news. It has also existed for longer than a decade. hakanakumono

Lets face it, labelling something a fad is a very sketchy thing to do. Calling Furby or the Tamagochi a fad is easier since its a complete product.

A console is like a DVD player, a means to enjoy external products. With so many consoles in so many households, companies will continue to produce big games that spike interest to those who have it (the console) and drive others to buy it. Thats why products like consoles cant be easily labled as fads.

Comparing TVs, Fridges, Cars to Consoles is silly.

No, the PS1 actually did expand videogames to not only a larger age group, but it also created a reputation for videogaming as more of an adult hobby than it had previously been seen with the snes and genesis - because of games such as Resident Evil and Tomb Raider that came to define its library. hakanakumono

No, it didnt appeal to adults. It appealed to teenagers. The only thing it established was the "cool/hip" image about videogames.

It helped kill the kids toy perception around consoles a bit but it still was marketed towards teens. Most people above 20/25 had little to no interest in it.

That only happened with the PS2 and its hability to play DVDs.

The wii pulls in a different audience than those who bought PS2s last gen - although it pulls many of them in as well. The wii pulls in people who have never experienced gaming - to gaming, and its much more of a toy to them than other casuals who have simply grown up with gaming, owning a few games and having a console int heir home.

I'm not saying that people do - in fact, you bring up an excellent point. People who buy the wii could care less about other consoles. They're not knowledgable about them. The wii is simply the videogame system that got their attention. It's something new. They're not out to buy a videogame system, they're out to buy a toy.

hakanakumono

1) Either the PS2 audience suddenly gave up gaming / where kidnapped by aliens/ died, or they bought a Wii this gen. Otherwise, how can you explain the "low" numbers of HD consoles sold compared to the Wii. What are all those previous PS2 owners doing?

I'm positive that a significant slice of the Wii's userbase is the same that made the PS2 the leader last gen. Many here believe that the hardcore made the PS2 successfull, but thats total BS. The casual masses made it what it is.

2) But Videogames ARE toys. Geez is it so hard to accept that? The general public is right, they ARE toys and the only delusional ones are those that think that they are something more. They are not and theres nothing wrong or condescending about that. The only diference is that we are more dedicated to this particular hobby.

Suddenly, Monster Hunter Tri appears....LordQuorthon

Grinning_Demon throws Pokeball

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Monster Hunter 3 brakes free, Runs away!

:(

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

Lets face it, labelling something a fad is a very sketchy thing to do. Calling Furby or the Tamagochi a fad is easier since its a complete product.

A console is like a DVD player, a means to enjoy external products. With so many consoles in so many households, companies will continue to produce big games that spike interest to those who have it (the console) and drive others to buy it. Thats why products like consoles cant be easily labled as fads.

Comparing TVs, Fridges, Cars to Consoles is silly.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"] No, the PS1 actually did expand videogames to not only a larger age group, but it also created a reputation for videogaming as more of an adult hobby than it had previously been seen with the snes and genesis - because of games such as Resident Evil and Tomb Raider that came to define its library. Grinning_Demon

No, it didnt appeal to adults. It appealed to teenagers. The only thing it established was the "cool/hip" image about videogames.

It helped kill the kids toy perception around consoles a bit but it still was marketed towards teens. Most people above 20/25 had little to no interest in it.

That only happened with the PS2 and its hability to play DVDs.

The wii pulls in a different audience than those who bought PS2s last gen - although it pulls many of them in as well. The wii pulls in people who have never experienced gaming - to gaming, and its much more of a toy to them than other casuals who have simply grown up with gaming, owning a few games and having a console int heir home.

I'm not saying that people do - in fact, you bring up an excellent point. People who buy the wii could care less about other consoles. They're not knowledgable about them. The wii is simply the videogame system that got their attention. It's something new. They're not out to buy a videogame system, they're out to buy a toy.

hakanakumono

1) Either the PS2 audience suddenly gave up gaming / where kidnapped by aliens/ died, or they bought a Wii this gen. Otherwise, how can you explain the "low" numbers of HD consoles sold compared to the Wii. What are all those previous PS2 owners doing?

I'm positive that a significant slice of the Wii's userbase is the same that made the PS2 the leader last gen. Many here believe that the hardcore made the PS2 successfull, but thats total BS. The casual masses made it what it is.

2) But Videogames ARE toys. Geez is it so hard to accept that? The general public is right, they ARE toys and the only delusional ones are those that think that they are something more. They are not and theres nothing wrong or condescending about that. The only diference is that we are more dedicated to this particular hobby.

You made the TV comparison.

Teenagers and young adults. These same teenagers and young adults w ould buy PS2 because of their experience with the PS1.

1. They bought 360s. The price of the PS2 was just too much at the time, and many were angry that sony wanted them to ever even leave the PS2.

2. The wii's userbase is some of the PS2 userbase, but its also a LOT of people who have never played before. Children, of course. Grandparents. Even some adults.

3. Videogames are toys just as much as books are toys. Vidoegames are a medium that requires interaction. Some videogames are more like toys, but I think you'd be hard pressed to call a game like Final Fantasy tactics a "toy."

Yes, there is something condescending about calling something a "toy." When people refer to their boats as toys or consoles they are equating themselves with childlike properites and a lust for simple, somewhat juvenlie pleasure.

Some videogames are more like toys, but I think you'd be hard pressed to call a game like Final Fantasy tactics a "toy."

Yes, there is something condescending about calling something a "toy." When people refer to their boats as toys or consoles they are equating themselves with childlike properites and a lust for simple, somewhat juvenlie pleasure.

hakanakumono

So labeling something a toy is directly related to how dificult/chalenging it is? Or how old the target demographic is?

Theres a large group of people who seem to be offended by the word "toy" and try to change it at all costs. They call action figures; statues, figurines collectables, etc... so theres a distinction between those and kid's action figures.

I think this is a combination of teen/young adult's insecurity and a missenterpretation of the word "toy" and what it means in certain situations.

When adults call their boats toys, they do it because its purpose is the same as toys were when they were kids. Regardless of its complexity, its an expendable object whose function is to entertain, nothing more. If its purpose is transportation, then its a vehicle, it becomes a necessity.

As of now, consoles are not a necessity and the word toy applies perfectly if people stop relating it to levels of complexity and ages.

If yakuza 3 came out overseas most people wouldn't even notice just like valkyria Chronicles :(AgentA-Mi6

[QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"]If yakuza 3 came out overseas most people wouldn't even notice just like valkyria Chronicles :(Master-Thief-09

His point is 80% of the US and western gamers are FPS games kids and dont want any other great games.

Now the Wii selling bad really doesn't mean anything to me. It's outsold the compeition so much who cares at this point.darthogre

This. I think everyone who ever wanted a wii already got one, but there are still plenty of people who still want to buy a PS3 and 360.

[QUOTE="darthogre"] Now the Wii selling bad really doesn't mean anything to me. It's outsold the compeition so much who cares at this point.shakmaster13

This. I think everyone who ever wanted a wii already got one, but there are still plenty of people who still want to buy a PS3 and 360.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]Some videogames are more like toys, but I think you'd be hard pressed to call a game like Final Fantasy tactics a "toy."

Yes, there is something condescending about calling something a "toy." When people refer to their boats as toys or consoles they are equating themselves with childlike properites and a lust for simple, somewhat juvenlie pleasure.

Grinning_Demon

So labeling something a toy is directly related to how dificult/chalenging it is? Or how old the target demographic is?

Theres a large group of people who seem to be offended by the word "toy" and try to change it at all costs. They call action figures; statues, figurines collectables, etc... so theres a distinction between those and kid's action figures.

I think this is a combination of teen/young adult's insecurity and a missenterpretation of the word "toy" and what it means in certain situations.

When adults call their boats toys, they do it because its purpose is the same as toys were when they were kids. Regardless of its complexity, its an expendable object whose function is to entertain, nothing more. If its purpose is transportation, then its a vehicle, it becomes a necessity.

As of now, consoles are not a necessity and the word toy applies perfectly if people stop relating it to levels of complexity and ages.

How complex the game is and the target audience relate to whether you can call a game a toy or not. If a game's primary purpose is to tell a story, its not a toy. If a game's primary purpose is to engage the palyer ind eep strategy, its not a toy.

Action figures are toys as well as dolls.

Yes, there are those insecure of certain words used. It is true that gaming is sometimes looked down upon. But games are games, not toys.

Exactly. Simple pleasure, simple entertainment. A toy. And woah woah woah, dont jump a head. Just becuase you HAVE a boat doesn't mean you NEED one, especially when you call it your toy. When you call it your toy you are signifying "it is for fun." If you call your car a "toy" it implies a disconnect from necessity. To call a car a "toy" that you rely upon would mean you have poor command of the English language.

"Toy" connotates a lack of inherit depth or value beyond superficial fun.

Just because something is not a necessity does not make it a toy. And no, it DOES relate to complexity and age groups.

They haven't even released a second colour yet i think, or dropped price >.> unlike the competition.

Looks like everyone in Japan has bought a Wii and DS already.

[QUOTE="shakmaster13"]

[QUOTE="darthogre"] Now the Wii selling bad really doesn't mean anything to me. It's outsold the compeition so much who cares at this point.kingtito

This. I think everyone who ever wanted a wii already got one, but there are still plenty of people who still want to buy a PS3 and 360.

Not all of those hundreds of millions of people in Japan want a Wii? Just a thought. :)

How complex the game is and the target audience relate to whether you can call a game a toy or not. If a game's primary purpose is to tell a story, its not a toy. If a game's primary purpose is to engage the palyer ind eep strategy, its not a toy.

Action figures are toys as well as dolls.

Yes, there are those insecure of certain words used. It is true that gaming is sometimes looked down upon. But games are games, not toys.

Exactly. Simple pleasure, simple entertainment. A toy.
"Toy" connotates a lack of inherit depth or value beyond superficial fun.

Just because something is not a necessity does not make it a toy. And no, it DOES relate to complexity and age groups.

hakanakumono

Okay i think this really is a cultural thing, so we'l be just be running in circles here.
See, i dont see things that way, the word "toy" will have diferent meanings within diferent contexts. If an adult says he has a new "toy" its inheirant that its complexity is appropriate or appealing to his age.

And woah woah woah, dont jump a head. Just becuase you HAVE a boat doesn't mean you NEED one, especially when you call it your toy. When you call it your toy you are signifying "it is for fun." If you call your car a "toy" it implies a disconnect from necessity. To call a car a "toy" that you rely upon would mean you have poor command of the English language.hakanakumono

But thats what i said :?

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

How complex the game is and the target audience relate to whether you can call a game a toy or not. If a game's primary purpose is to tell a story, its not a toy. If a game's primary purpose is to engage the palyer ind eep strategy, its not a toy.

Action figures are toys as well as dolls.

Yes, there are those insecure of certain words used. It is true that gaming is sometimes looked down upon. But games are games, not toys.

Exactly. Simple pleasure, simple entertainment. A toy.
"Toy" connotates a lack of inherit depth or value beyond superficial fun.

Just because something is not a necessity does not make it a toy. And no, it DOES relate to complexity and age groups.

Grinning_Demon

Okay i think this really is a cultural thing, so we'l be just be running in circles here.
See, i dont see things that way, the word "toy" will have diferent meanings within diferent contexts. If an adult says he has a new "toy" its inheirant that its complexity is appropriate or appealing to his age.

And woah woah woah, dont jump a head. Just becuase you HAVE a boat doesn't mean you NEED one, especially when you call it your toy. When you call it your toy you are signifying "it is for fun." If you call your car a "toy" it implies a disconnect from necessity. To call a car a "toy" that you rely upon would mean you have poor command of the English language.hakanakumono

But thats what i said :?

If an adult mentions a toy it is apparent that it is a toy for adults, but its still a negative connotation. In the case of an adult, it suggests affluence and indulgence.

Okay.

Dear gamestop: I can copy paste without your silly little box.

[QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"]If yakuza 3 came out overseas most people wouldn't even notice just like valkyria Chronicles :(Master-Thief-09

My sister has a toy that isn't suited for children...
(A purple one.)

KungfuKitten

My sister has a toy that isn't suited for children...
(A purple one.)
She states it's a necessity and involves inherent depth.

KungfuKitten

I'l wait for her hands-on. Video Review ? :D

The wii is so low because most people have one already. All Nintendo has to do is release new colors and it will be back on top again.

The wii is so low because most people have one already. All Nintendo has to do is release new colors and it will be back on top again.

Scythes777

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

The funny thing is - What PS3 game is fueling this?

Famiking

Splendid

In that case, maybe Sega will come to their senses and make an English language version of the game.

[QUOTE="Grinning_Demon"][QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

It is a fad. Thats the way the public treats it.

There's nothing saying fads can't last more than a year.

hakanakumono

You didn't turn on comedy central and see some comedian devote an entire section to "this new PS1 thing."

No one was using their snes as an excercise method.

Those systems weren't treated like the wii. The wii is not treated like a console. It is treated like a fun new toy by the general public. THAT is who nintendo is adopting into their fanbase.

http://www.answers.com/fad

Over 2 years is not a fad.

Hopefully that is a trend that will continue. The ridiculous dominance of the Wii must end. All hail the PlayStation 3!

Wii just had a couple of bad weeks... one cannot pretend it cannot happen... I dont like the Wii but certainly after 2 yrs of amazing sales i think its normal that there is a low (sales) period... Once some great games get released most probably Wii will be back in 1st place (saleswise)..

Good hopefully Nintendo gets the message and actually releases something instead of anything with Wii in it.