The Fad is over- Japan Sales: PS3 35k, X360 13k, Wii 22k

Theres nothing to contribute to a thread that was entirely based around fake numbers and your crazy predictions/hopesGrinning_Demon

Either way, my point still stands, 22k is still crap.

[QUOTE="Famiking"][QUOTE="GundamGuy0"] I know how to read the graphic. It's still right out of the text book, regardless of the reasons. GundamGuy0

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]of course, i have contributed facts and logic...

you, on the other hand, are just claiming something that just about every other person on this thread disagrees with...

ok. so to you, the wii is a fad... to the rest of the world its a success.

Famiking

Also, what have you contributed asides from just jumping on my back and calling me a fanboy?

And I'm not just claiming, unless you just ignored all the graphs I posted, which I wouldn't be surprised if you did. Hexagon and GundamGuy are the only ones who put up a decent argument (I'm probably missing others, but you get the point).

you show graphs that the wii is selling less, but claiming it a 'fad' is something completely different. thats the problem

slowing sales =/= a fad

especially, like i already said many times and you keep ignoring, they havent had a price drop, or any big games been released lately....

remember when you made this claim regarding price drops?:

"Will probably only bump it for 3-4 weeks just like all the other price cuts in history"

well, im still waiting for your proofogvampire

I can't, as all PS2 price cuts have been coupled with something else major.

# JP¥35,000 (June 29, 2001) - released with FFX
# JP¥29,800 (November 29, 2001) - Near holiday season
# JP¥25,000 (2002) - ?
# JP¥19,800 (November 13, 2003) - Near holiday season
# JP¥17,800 (June 2004) - Launched with ceramic white PS2, this was only like, a 2k Yen price cut anyway

If you want to me prove another console's then okay.

[QUOTE="Famiking"]

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]of course, i have contributed facts and logic...

you, on the other hand, are just claiming something that just about every other person on this thread disagrees with...

ok. so to you, the wii is a fad... to the rest of the world its a success.

ogvampire

Also, what have you contributed asides from just jumping on my back and calling me a fanboy?

And I'm not just claiming, unless you just ignored all the graphs I posted, which I wouldn't be surprised if you did. Hexagon and GundamGuy are the only ones who put up a decent argument (I'm probably missing others, but you get the point).

you show graphs that the wii is selling less, but claiming it a 'fad' is something completely different. thats the problem

slowing sales =/= a fad

especially, like i already said many times and you keep ignoring, they havent had a price drop, or any big games been released lately....

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

remember when you made this claim regarding price drops?:

"Will probably only bump it for 3-4 weeks just like all the other price cuts in history"

well, im still waiting for your proofFamiking

I can't, as all PS2 price cuts have been coupled with something else major.

# JP¥35,000 (June 29, 2001) - released with FFX
# JP¥29,800 (November 29, 2001) - Near holiday season
# JP¥25,000 (2002) - ?
# JP¥19,800 (November 13, 2003) - Near holiday season
# JP¥17,800 (June 2004) - Launched with ceramic white PS2, this was only like, a 2k Yen price cut anyway

If you want to me prove another console's then okay.

well, yeah. that is a hard thing to prove since, like you said, alot of times they have a price drop during big releases to further sales.

therefore, your claim is incorrect

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="Famiking"] You amongst others are pretty much ignorant about Japan sales, just count all the "2 years!" excuses in this thread, you'll lose track after 3 posts. You're one of them.

Also, what have you contributed asides from just jumping on my back and calling me a fanboy?

And I'm not just claiming, unless you just ignored all the graphs I posted, which I wouldn't be surprised if you did. Hexagon and GundamGuy are the only ones who put up a decent argument (I'm probably missing others, but you get the point).

Famiking

you show graphs that the wii is selling less, but claiming it a 'fad' is something completely different. thats the problem

slowing sales =/= a fad

especially, like i already said many times and you keep ignoring, they havent had a price drop, or any big games been released lately....

how can it be a 'fad' if we all know that when it has a price drop or big games get released, it will sell more than in previous recent weeks?

please answer this question

[QUOTE="Famiking"]

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

remember when you made this claim regarding price drops?:

"Will probably only bump it for 3-4 weeks just like all the other price cuts in history"

well, im still waiting for your proofogvampire

I can't, as all PS2 price cuts have been coupled with something else major.

# JP¥35,000 (June 29, 2001) - released with FFX
# JP¥29,800 (November 29, 2001) - Near holiday season
# JP¥25,000 (2002) - ?
# JP¥19,800 (November 13, 2003) - Near holiday season
# JP¥17,800 (June 2004) - Launched with ceramic white PS2, this was only like, a 2k Yen price cut anyway

If you want to me prove another console's then okay.

well, yeah. that is a hard thing to prove since, like you said, alot of times they have a price drop during big releases to further sales.

therefore, your claim is incorrect

how can it be a 'fad' if we all know that when it has a price drop or big games get released, it will sell more than in previous recent weeks?

please answer this question

ogvampire

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="Famiking"]

I can't, as all PS2 price cuts have been coupled with something else major.

# JP¥35,000 (June 29, 2001) - released with FFX
# JP¥29,800 (November 29, 2001) - Near holiday season
# JP¥25,000 (2002) - ?
# JP¥19,800 (November 13, 2003) - Near holiday season
# JP¥17,800 (June 2004) - Launched with ceramic white PS2, this was only like, a 2k Yen price cut anyway

If you want to me prove another console's then okay.

Famiking

well, yeah. that is a hard thing to prove since, like you said, alot of times they have a price drop during big releases to further sales.

therefore, your claim is incorrect

what region?

what region?

ogvampire

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]how can it be a 'fad' if we all know that when it has a price drop or big games get released, it will sell more than in previous recent weeks?

please answer this question

Famiking

fad (fād) Pronunciation Key
n. A fashion that is taken up with great enthusiasm for a brief period of time; a craze.

not a fad.... fads die down pretty quickly, they DO NOT have surges in sales over 2 years into it....

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

what region?

Famiking

fine, i see you wont do the research, i will:

ps3 sales in NA for 2007

April 82,000
May 82,000
June 98,500
July 159,000
August 130,600
September 119,400
October 121,000

notice the bump in sales after the 'price drop', its alot more than just 3-4 weeks as you claim... it drove the sales of the ps3 for the rest of the year and beyond

they DO NOT have surges in sales over 2 years into it....

ogvampire

If really, really, reaallllllllly have to reinstate myslef like a bajillion times, so much so that my post count has doubled:

Launch 2006: Wii sells well in the 150k-350k range.

Dawn of 2007: Average sales of 40k-80k, flactuating due to shipment arrivements and shortages.

Early 2007 - Mid 2007: Lots of game releases keep consumers interested, Wii's peak. 70-100k sales average.

Late 2007, pre-holidays: Sales crash. As fast as: 70k -> 50k -> 40k -> 33k -> 28k -> 24k. The fad is over. This period entirely nullifies your "2 year" point, and your lack of recognition of this period shows you don't know what you're talking about.

Holidays 2007: Mario Galaxy, Wii Fit, Mario & Sonic propel the Wii to 250k sales at its holiday peak.

Dawn and Early 2008: Sales remain high because of SSBB and looming Mario Kart. Sales were 100k at SSBB, and got to 50k at around MKWii period. Failed to break 100k in Golden Week, with 75k before Golden Week ends.

Mid-late 2008: Constant sales decline, no matter what game is released, Wii sales continued to decline until they hit the 20k region. This period is also proof that Wii never had this non-existant "2 year surge".

Holidays 2008: Wii Music and Animal Crossing flop. Wii peaks at a disappointing 150k, only games that do above average are Taiko and Joysound. Huge decline from 2007 holiday season.

Dawn of 2009: Sales down 80% from the 100k Wii was reaching in 2008, Wii finds it difficult to even hit 30k.

A whole year of terrible sales, that tells a lot about the people who still think it's still not a fad. It only lived for a short period, and died for extended periods of time.

Conclusion: The Wii "craze" only lasted for 9 months at most in total, not 2 years. And hopefully this is the last time I have to state this, or there is no point in arguing.

[QUOTE="Famiking"]

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

what region?

ogvampire

fine, i see you wont do the research, i will:

ps3 sales in NA for 2007

April 82,000
May 82,000
June 98,500
July 159,000
August 130,600
September 119,400
October 121,000

notice the bump in sales after the 'price drop', its alot more than just 3-4 weeks as you claim... it drove the sales of the ps3 for the rest of the year and beyond

Also, October was a 5 week month, it's just as bad as May or April.

So this means that for this week PS3 is the new fad?

So this means that for this week PS3 is the new fad?

DaBrainz

Lets see...

360, +/- 1m Japan, +/- 16.5m NA, +/- 11m EU

PS3, +/- 2.5m Japan, +/- 7.5m NA +/- 9.5 EU

Wii, +/- 7.5m Japan, +/- 21.5m NA +/- 17.5 EU

Lems you can brag about the 360 in Japan when the 360 reaches 2 million in Japan and or when it actually catches the PS3 in NA/EU or when it outsells the Wii

Cows you can brag when the PS3 when it outsell the Wii in ANY area and when or if you catch the 360 in NA...

Now how does that sound... I left some milk and cookies out in the play room you all run along now...and no hitting 360 I don't need any more trip to the ER...

Lets see...

360, +/- 1m Japan, +/- 16.5m NA, +/- 11m EU

PS3, +/- 2.5m Japan, +/- 7.5m NA +/- 9.5 EU

Wii, +/- 7.5m Japan, +/- 21.5m NA +/- 17.5 EU

Lems you can brag about the 360 in Japan when the 360 reaches 2 million in Japan and or when it actuall catches the PS3 in NA/EU when it outsells the Wii

Cows you can brag when the PS3 outsell the Wii in ANY area and when or if you catch the 360 in NA...

Now how does that sound... I left some milk and cookies out in the play room you all run along now...and no hitting 360 I don't need any more trip to the ER...

Battmen

Red - Total running sales for 2007.

Blue - Total running sales for 2008

Green - Total running sales for 2009.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="Famiking"] USA.

Famiking

fine, i see you wont do the research, i will:

ps3 sales in NA for 2007

April 82,000
May 82,000
June 98,500
July 159,000
August 130,600
September 119,400
October 121,000

notice the bump in sales after the 'price drop', its alot more than just 3-4 weeks as you claim... it drove the sales of the ps3 for the rest of the year and beyond

Also, October was a 5 week month, it's just as bad as May or April.

you said to look at the ps3 in mid-2007

march and feb are early 2007 :roll:

[QUOTE="Famiking"]

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

fine, i see you wont do the research, i will:

ps3 sales in NA for 2007

April 82,000
May 82,000
June 98,500
July 159,000
August 130,600
September 119,400
October 121,000

notice the bump in sales after the 'price drop', its alot more than just 3-4 weeks as you claim... it drove the sales of the ps3 for the rest of the year and beyond

ogvampire

Also, October was a 5 week month, it's just as bad as May or April.

you said to look at the ps3 in mid-2007

march and feb are early 2007 :roll:

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

they DO NOT have surges in sales over 2 years into it....

Famiking

If really, really, reaallllllllly have to reinstate myslef like a bajillion times, so much so that my post count has doubled:

Launch 2006: Wii sells well in the 150k-350k range.

Dawn of 2007: Average sales of 40k-80k, flactuating due to shipment arrivements and shortages.

Early 2007 - Mid 2007: Lots of game releases keep consumers interested, Wii's peak. 70-100k sales average.

Late 2007, pre-holidays: Sales crash. As fast as: 70k -> 50k -> 40k -> 33k -> 28k -> 24k. The fad is over. This period entirely nullifies your "2 year" point, and your lack of recognition of this period shows you don't know what you're talking about.

i remember that time, Nintendo was holding wii's back for the holidays. it wasnt a sales crash

Holidays 2007: Mario Galaxy, Wii Fit, Mario & Sonic propel the Wii to 250k sales at its holiday peak.

Dawn and Early 2008: Sales remain high because of SSBB and looming Mario Kart. Sales were 100k at SSBB, and got to 50k at around MKWii period. Failed to break 100k in Golden Week, with 75k before Golden Week ends.

sales remain high because of looming games... have there been any big releases for the wii lately? no. doesnt that explain slower sales?

Mid-late 2008: Constant sales decline, no matter what game is released, Wii sales continued to decline until they hit the 20k region. This period is also proof that Wii never had this non-existant "2 year surge".

no games

Holidays 2008: Wii Music and Animal Crossing flop. Wii peaks at a disappointing 150k, only games that do above average are Taiko and Joysound. Huge decline from 2007 holiday season.

still massacred the competition with no games

Dawn of 2009: Sales down 80% from the 100k Wii was reaching in 2008, Wii finds it difficult to even hit 30k.

still no games

A whole year of terrible sales, that tells a lot about the people who still think it's still not a fad. It only lived for a short period, and died for extended periods of time.

Conclusion: The Wii "craze" only lasted for 9 months at most in total, not 2 years. And hopefully this is the last time I have to state this, or there is no point in arguing.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="Famiking"] It's funny you miss March and February.

Also, October was a 5 week month, it's just as bad as May or April.

Famiking

you said to look at the ps3 in mid-2007

march and feb are early 2007 :roll:

october was a four week accounting period, it was september that was 5...

i remember that time, Nintendo was holding wii's back for the holidays. it wasnt a sales crash

That was a temporary at the start of the crash. When SMG only bumped Wii to 35k, it was evident that it wasn't because of lack of supply. Wii's were towering in stores in Tokyo and Osaka

sales remain high because of looming games... have there been any big releases for the wii lately? no. doesnt that explain slower sales?

Sales remained due to constant stream of games, not just because of one. See how Animal Crossing flops later on, and Wii sales remain low.

no games

Guess whose fault that is.

still massacred the competition with no games

Not saying much, and that's Nintendo's own fault

still no games

And there won't be for a while.

ogvampire

[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]

I am not sure whether I should laugh or cry over the fact that there still are people who deem the Wii to be a fad. :lol: :cry:

RobNBankz

All consoles are fads. No console stays forever, eventually the PS2 will die and it will be a fad. (How long it stayed is irrelevant, once it dies that's it)

"A fad is a temporary fashion, notion, manner of conduct, etc., especially one followed enthusiastically by a group."

Time does matter. :?

By your definition, nearly everything is a fad because rarely do things last forever.

Fine, then explain October.

ogvampire

october was a four week accounting period, it was september that was 5...

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

still no games

And there won't be for a while.

Famiking

i dont know how long 'a while' is to you, but DQ9 and Monster Hunter 3 say hello

Red - Total running sales for 2007.

Blue - Total running sales for 2008

Green - Total running sales for 2009.Famiking

Nice Graph you got there. Why don't you show the PS3 and 360 too with the total sells?...

Lying with statistics it never gets old...

[QUOTE="Battmen" Why don't you show the PS3 and 360 too with the total sells?...

Lying with statistics it never gets old...

It should be moddable to not read outside the thread title, like I said to someone else, this thread is more about Wii's low sales than the temporary bump of the PS3.

[QUOTE="Famiking"]

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]how can it be a 'fad' if we all know that when it has a price drop or big games get released, it will sell more than in previous recent weeks?

please answer this question

ogvampire

fad (fād) Pronunciation Key
n. A fashion that is taken up with great enthusiasm for a brief period of time; a craze.

not a fad.... fads die down pretty quickly, they DO NOT have surges in sales over 2 years into it....

I commend you for posting the definition of the term "fad." I myself had to do it many times already...

[QUOTE="Famiking"]

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

still no games

And there won't be for a while.

ogvampire

i dont know how long 'a while' is to you, but DQ9 and Monster Hunter 3 say hello

commend you for posting the definition of the term "fad." I myself had to do it many times already...

Hexagon_777

You know... *why bother*.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="Famiking"] Selling more than its recent weeks isn't saying much. If it reaches its 70k momentum again, then I'll retract my statement provided it doesn't crash again. But AFAIK, the Wii has been in constant decline since April 2008, and the only "momentum" it's getting right now is 20k sales, which are a far cry from the 70k it used to have, thus a fad.

Hexagon_777

fad (fād) Pronunciation Key
n. A fashion that is taken up with great enthusiasm for a brief period of time; a craze.

not a fad.... fads die down pretty quickly, they DO NOT have surges in sales over 2 years into it....

I commend you for posting the definition of the term "fad." I myself had to do it many times already...

lol. i tried... this dude is just not getting it

Because that's not what this thread is about?

It should be moddable to not read outside the thread title, like I said to someone else, this thread is more about Wii's low sales than the temporary bump of the PS3.Famiking

OK I must be reading this wrongin Japan Wii 7.5 million, PS3 2.5 million and the360 1 million... and theWii has low sales... Oh YES you are write the DS sales are WAY higher nowI get it. Thanks...

[QUOTE="Famiking"]Because that's not what this thread is about?

It should be moddable to not read outside the thread title, like I said to someone else, this thread is more about Wii's low sales than the temporary bump of the PS3.Battmen

OK I must be reading this wrongin Japan Wii 7.5 million, PS3 2.5 million and the360 1 million... and theWii has low sales... Oh YES you are write the DS sales are WAY higher nowI get it. Thanks...

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]Fine, then explain October.

Famiking

october was a four week accounting period, it was september that was 5...

are you serious? doesnt the fact that people were waiting for the release of the 40gig explain the low september sales?

[QUOTE="Famiking"]

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

october was a four week accounting period, it was september that was 5...

ogvampire

are you serious? doesnt the fact that people were waiting for the release of the 40gig explain the low september sales?

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="Famiking"] I stand corrected, anyway that's WORSE. Given that there was the PS3 40GB introduction in October as well, and sales are generally higher because its closer to holiday season.

Famiking

are you serious? doesnt the fact that people were waiting for the release of the 40gig explain the low september sales?

it was released in late october, and the october sales were in line with the previous 3 months

[QUOTE="Famiking"][QUOTE="ogvampire"]

are you serious? doesnt the fact that people were waiting for the release of the 40gig explain the low september sales?

ogvampire

it was released in late october, and the october sales were in line with the previous 3 months

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="Famiking"] Does it explain the "high" October sales? I doubt so much would hold on, as clearly shown.Famiking

it was released in late october, and the october sales were in line with the previous 3 months

from your link:

"the new PS3 brings the next generation of interactive home entertainment to homes all across Europe, Middle East, Africa and Australasia"

it actually was released in November in America:

New 40GB Model to be available in North America on November 2nd for $399;

so yeah, youre right, september sales were low for some reason, but i am still right, overall. you said price drops only have an affect for 3-4 weeks. looks like it was at least twice that....

[QUOTE="Famiking"][QUOTE="ogvampire"]

it was released in late october, and the october sales were in line with the previous 3 months

ogvampire

from your link:

"the new PS3 brings the next generation of interactive home entertainment to homes all across Europe, Middle East, Africa and Australasia"

it actually was released in November in America:

New 40GB Model to be available in North America on November 2nd for $399;

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="Famiking"] The 40 GB was -announced- October 5: http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/release/071006e.html So it couldn't've affected September sales. Back to square one.Famiking

from your link:

"the new PS3 brings the next generation of interactive home entertainment to homes all across Europe, Middle East, Africa and Australasia"

it actually was released in November in America:

New 40GB Model to be available in North America on November 2nd for $399;

2 days worth of sales... wow :roll:

November 2 was included in the October sales, it was Week ending November 4.ogvampire

2 days worth of sales... wow :roll:

I'm not denying that the Wii sakes are down YOY, but you have yet to prove that the Wii was a fad in the first place. It's really just that there haven't been any real big releases recently. If the WIi had sales like this with a big release, then you'd have a point.jim1029

[QUOTE="jim1029"]I'm not denying that the Wii sakes are down YOY, but you have yet to prove that the Wii was a fad in the first place. It's really just that there haven't been any real big releases recently. If the WIi had sales like this with a big release, then you'd have a point.Famiking