The Fad is over- Japan Sales: PS3 35k, X360 13k, Wii 22k

[QUOTE="Famiking"][QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]

I was talking about when the PS3 launched. Immeasurable hype, phenomenal launch sales and it all died down in a matter of weeks.

[quote="Dictionary"]A fad is a temporary fashion, notion, manner of conduct, etc., especially one followed enthusiastically by a group.Hexagon_777

Seems to fit the PlayStation 3 perfectly. The fact that it's been selling less year on year further enhances this point.

It was never fashion?

Camping PlayStation gamers robbed at gunpoint

Four People Shot While Waiting for PlayStation Console

PlayStation3 Crowd Gets More Than It Bargained for in Tysons

PlayStation 3 consoles sold on eBay upwards of $2000

PlayStation 3 hardware sales plummet 82 per cent

Oh, it was in fashion alright. Just for a very short time. Just like how fads exist for a brief period of time. That's what makes them fads. Highly successful for a short amount of time.

I don't believe I ever got an answer to the above. :(

[QUOTE="Famiking"][QUOTE="jim1029"]I'm not denying that the Wii sakes are down YOY, but you have yet to prove that the Wii was a fad in the first place. It's really just that there haven't been any real big releases recently. If the WIi had sales like this with a big release, then you'd have a point.jim1029

[QUOTE="jim1029"][QUOTE="Famiking"][Its sales have been down for a year. Even games like Animal Crossing and Wii Music can't revive it. It needs a steady stream of games, or it's a fad.Famiking

[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]

I am not sure whether I should laugh or cry over the fact that there still are people who deem the Wii to be a fad. :lol: :cry:

It is a fad. Thats the way the public treats it.

There's nothing saying fads can't last more than a year.

[QUOTE="Famiking"][QUOTE="jim1029"]I'm not denying that the Wii sakes are down YOY, but you have yet to prove that the Wii was a fad in the first place. It's really just that there haven't been any real big releases recently. If the WIi had sales like this with a big release, then you'd have a point.jim1029

I knew that we didn't post the definition of what a fad is enough times! :cry:

[QUOTE="Famiking"][QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]

I was talking about when the PS3 launched. Immeasurable hype, phenomenal launch sales and it all died down in a matter of weeks.

[quote="Dictionary"]A fad is a temporary fashion, notion, manner of conduct, etc., especially one followed enthusiastically by a group.Hexagon_777

Seems to fit the PlayStation 3 perfectly. The fact that it's been selling less year on year further enhances this point.

It was never fashion?

Camping PlayStation gamers robbed at gunpoint

Four People Shot While Waiting for PlayStation Console

PlayStation3 Crowd Gets More Than It Bargained for in Tysons

PlayStation 3 consoles sold on eBay upwards of $2000

PlayStation 3 hardware sales plummet 82 per cent

Oh, it was in fashion alright. Just for a very short time. Just like how fads exist for a brief period of time. That's what makes them fads. Highly successful for a short amount of time.

[QUOTE="Famiking"][QUOTE="jim1029"] Wait, what?jim1029

I knew that we didn't post the definition of what a fad is enough times! :cry:

Hexagon_777

[QUOTE="jim1029"][QUOTE="Famiking"]I won't fall for it, you're trying to make me reinstate myself so I can explode into pieces and I won't reply anymore.Famiking

[QUOTE="Famiking"][QUOTE="jim1029"] No, I just don't understand how not having a steady stream of games makes it a fad.jim1029

[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]I knew that we didn't post the definition of what a fad is enough times! :cry:

Famiking

It certainly does. I, for one, know that the Wii isn't a a fad due to fluctuating sales. :)

[QUOTE="jim1029"][QUOTE="Famiking"] If it gets a steady stream of games, its sales revive, and if it keeps the steady sales, its sales will only fall for saturation reasons, not lack (*cough*) of consumer interest.Famiking

[QUOTE="Famiking"]

[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]I knew that we didn't post the definition of what a fad is enough times! :cry:

Hexagon_777

It certainly does. I, for one, know that the Wii isn't a a fad due to fluctuating sales. :)

Sadly, it hasn't been fluctuating. It's been dead for a year.

[QUOTE="Famiking"][QUOTE="jim1029"][QUOTE="Famiking"] If it gets a steady stream of games, its sales revive, and if it keeps the steady sales, its sales will only fall for saturation reasons, not lack (*cough*) of consumer interest.jim1029

2 things. First, fad =/= bad sales. And as to your second statement, are you admitting that it isn't a fad ending, it just hasn't had many games? That's what it sounds like.

Fad = Once selling like mad, now selling terribly, in a short period of time. (sorry Hexagon, I don't have the phonetics on me).

As stated in my other posts, Wii's momentum is "damaged" beyond repair, it's been hitting below 20k, on 20k, and even with a game release, it doesn't hit 30k. It'll need a massive PSP-level turnabout if it wants to be "revived", I still believe its a fad due to its current low sales level compared to the high sales it once had, and the sales have been dead for quite a while (a year).

[QUOTE="Famiking"][QUOTE="jim1029"] If it had a steady stream of games, it wouldn't be a fad, it sales would go up. And I agree with your last statement, and that's why it has low sales.jim1029

2 things. First, fad =/= bad sales. And as to your second statement, are you admitting that it isn't a fad ending, it just hasn't had many games? That's what it sounds like.

Fad = Once selling like mad, now selling terribly, in a short period of time. (sorry Hexagon, I don't have the phonetics on me).

As stated in my other posts, Wii's momentum is "damaged" beyond repair, it's been hitting below 20k, on 20k, and even with a game release, it doesn't hit 30k. It'll need a massive PSP-level turnabout if it wants to be "revived", I still believe its a fad due to its current low sales level compared to the high sales it once had, and the sales have been dead for quite a while (a year).

Wii sales haven't been even close to dead. The Wii nearly always outsells 360 and PS3, sometimes combined. About fads, you originally said that the Wii fad ended a long time ago, but it has been a long time since then. Also, having a big release wouldn't make the Wii a fad or not a fad. You originally said, "If it had a steady stream of games, it wouldn't be a fad, it sales would go up." That sounds like you're saying that a fad is the same as bad sales. Finally, which game release are you talking about?

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

[QUOTE="Grinning_Demon"] Every console leader is a fad then, no?Senor_Kami

You didn't turn on comedy central and see some comedian devote an entire section to "this new PS1 thing."

No one was using their snes as an excercise method.

Those systems weren't treated like the wii. The wii is not treated like a console. It is treated like a fun new toy by the general public. THAT is who nintendo is adopting into their fanbase.

That's irrelevant. Still not popularized int he same way.

I have nothing against nintendo. I own and appreciate two nintendo consoles.

You missed the post where I warned that this was not necessarily permanent.

[QUOTE="Battmen"] Why don't you show the PS3 and 360 too with the total sells?...

Lying with statistics it never gets old...

Famiking

It should be moddable to not read outside the thread title, like I said to someone else, this thread is more about Wii's low sales than the temporary bump of the PS3.

I know your talking only about Wii sales and only in Japan, but I agree it would be nice to see the comparison of the PS3's and Xbox360's sales over those periods to see if there is something beyond the fad breaking which is effecting the Wii... Something that effects the industry as a whole perhaps...

You've done a good job of showing correlation but you've failed with the causation because you've not provided any real ansers as to why it's like this.

I say it has to do with the DS dominating the Japanse Market... and coruding out the consoles. Japanese gamers are happy with teh DS and it's RPG heavy line up, as well as it's solid general line up.

Wii sales haven't been even close to dead. The Wii nearly always outsells 360 and PS3, sometimes combined. About fads, you originally said that the Wii fad ended a long time ago, but it has been a long time since then. Also, having a big release wouldn't make the Wii a fad or not a fad. You originally said, "If it had a steady stream of games, it wouldn't be a fad, it sales would go up." That sounds like you're saying that a fad is the same as bad sales. Finally, which game release are you talking about?

jim1029

Proof for first statment?

From what I gathered the last couple of weeks, it goes like this:

Wii 20k
PS3 16k
360 12k

PS3 has been practically been selling the same level as the Wii this year (I know that it's lower, but still).

As for the second - I guess what I'm trying to say is, take any fad that ever existed. Imagine companies give more incentive for people to buy it again and it becomes popular again. Technically it WAS a fad, but you can't say it still IS a fad, in that its current popularity will die down very soon.

I associate fad with a product that was popular at one point, but died in popularity - all of which occured in a short period of time. Xbox 360 has poor sales, but i wouldn't call it a fad.

Last statement - Shiren 3, Tales of Symphonia, Taiko, Tatsunoko, Wii Music, 428, Fatal Frame, Mario Tennis, Fragile. There were plenty, it sales kept declining.

[QUOTE="Famiking"]

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

definition of 'lack':

lack (lāk)
n.

1. Deficiency or absence

i bolded the important part

ogvampire

"There was a lack of protein in his diet" doesn't necessarily mean there was no protein at all.

Either way, I don't want to get in to English Warz, you know what I meant.

spin spin spin... lol! wow.... you must definately work for some pr firm

Now adhering to the English language is a bias. :roll:

I know your talking only about Wii sales and only in Japan, but I agree it would be nice to see the comparison of the PS3's and Xbox360's sales over those periods to see if there is something beyond the fad breaking which is effecting the Wii... Something that effects the industry as a whole perhaps...

You've done a good job of showing correlation but you've failed with the causation because you've not provided any real ansers as to why it's like this.

I say it has to do with the DS dominating the Japanse Market... and coruding out the consoles. Japanese gamers are happy with teh DS and it's RPG heavy line up, as well as it's solid general line up.

GundamGuy0

Okay.

Running YOY:

2007: 218,725
2008: 273,048
2009: 195,448

YOY:

2007 - 62,010
2008 - 37,175
2009 - 99,072

It's quite obvious that both consoles are in completely different situations.

Also, I did give causation, lack of interest from consumers, causing a lack in sales.

I guess the charts above completely nullify your last argument.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="Famiking"] It says "or". I was talking about the deficiency.

"There was a lack of protein in his diet" doesn't necessarily mean there was no protein at all.

Either way, I don't want to get in to English Warz, you know what I meant.

hakanakumono

spin spin spin... lol! wow.... you must definately work for some pr firm

Now adhering to the English language is a bias. :roll:

no. constantly backtracking on what he 'meant' IS spinning...

[QUOTE="jim1029"]Wii sales haven't been even close to dead. The Wii nearly always outsells 360 and PS3, sometimes combined. About fads, you originally said that the Wii fad ended a long time ago, but it has been a long time since then. Also, having a big release wouldn't make the Wii a fad or not a fad. You originally said, "If it had a steady stream of games, it wouldn't be a fad, it sales would go up." That sounds like you're saying that a fad is the same as bad sales. Finally, which game release are you talking about?

Famiking

Proof for first statment?

From what I gathered the last couple of weeks, it goes like this:

Wii 20k
PS3 16k
360 12k

PS3 has been practically been selling the same level as the Wii this year (I know that it's lower, but still).

As for the second - I guess what I'm trying to say is, take any fad that ever existed. Imagine companies give more incentive for people to buy it again and it becomes popular again. Technically it WAS a fad, but you can't say it still IS a fad, in that its current popularity will die down very soon.

I associate fad with a product that was popular at one point, but died in popularity - all of which occured in a short period of time. Xbox 360 has poor sales, but i wouldn't call it a fad.

Last statement - Shiren 3, Tales of Symphonia, Taiko, Tatsunoko, Wii Music, 428, Fatal Frame, Mario Tennis, Fragile. There were plenty, it sales kept declining.

You said that the Wii sales have been dead for a year. This is a graph for sales in Japan the past year:

http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=Wii®1=Japan&cons2=PS3®2=Japan&cons3=X360®3=Japan&start=39502&end=39873

With very few exceptions, the Wii has been on top in Japan. I guess I see what you're saying about it once being a fad, but later not. Still, before you were equating fads to poor sales only. Finally, most of the games you listed came out a little while ago, and not all of them were that good. Also, games like Fragile and Mario Tennis aren't really system sellers.

this is the main problem of this thread:

TC has no idea what a 'fad' is....

all problems are stemming from that

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

spin spin spin... lol! wow.... you must definately work for some pr firm

ogvampire

Now adhering to the English language is a bias. :roll:

no. constantly backtracking on what he 'meant' IS spinning...

Learn what spinning is. He did put a spin on things, but not what you claimed he did (or maye you did, you seem to think absolutely anything can be a "spin."

A spin is taking the facts and twisting them to look a certain way. So yes, naturally there is going to be a lot of "spin" put into this topic.

Using the word "lack" for its actual meaning is not a spin. It is using the word correctly. The only time when "lack" means complete "absence" is when there is only one of something. In most cases, like sales, it means that there is some amount less although the amount is undefined.

[QUOTE="Famiking"]

[QUOTE="jim1029"]Wii sales haven't been even close to dead. The Wii nearly always outsells 360 and PS3, sometimes combined. About fads, you originally said that the Wii fad ended a long time ago, but it has been a long time since then. Also, having a big release wouldn't make the Wii a fad or not a fad. You originally said, "If it had a steady stream of games, it wouldn't be a fad, it sales would go up." That sounds like you're saying that a fad is the same as bad sales. Finally, which game release are you talking about?

jim1029

Proof for first statment?

From what I gathered the last couple of weeks, it goes like this:

Wii 20k
PS3 16k
360 12k

PS3 has been practically been selling the same level as the Wii this year (I know that it's lower, but still).

As for the second - I guess what I'm trying to say is, take any fad that ever existed. Imagine companies give more incentive for people to buy it again and it becomes popular again. Technically it WAS a fad, but you can't say it still IS a fad, in that its current popularity will die down very soon.

I associate fad with a product that was popular at one point, but died in popularity - all of which occured in a short period of time. Xbox 360 has poor sales, but i wouldn't call it a fad.

Last statement - Shiren 3, Tales of Symphonia, Taiko, Tatsunoko, Wii Music, 428, Fatal Frame, Mario Tennis, Fragile. There were plenty, it sales kept declining.

You said that the Wii sales have been dead for a year. This is a graph for sales in Japan the past year: http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=Wii®1=Japan&cons2=PS3®2=Japan&cons3=X360®3=Japan&start=39502&end=39873 With very few exceptions, the Wii has been on top in Japan. I guess I see what you're saying about it once being a fad, but later not. Still, before you were equating fads to poor sales only. Finally, most of the games you listed came out a little while ago, and not all of them were that good. Also, games like Fragile and Mario Tennis aren't really system sellers.

And by dead, I mean below 30k. Because 20k sales a week means it takes on average a year to sell a million, and that's terrible, if Wii is only going to last 6-7 years, and it only sold 6-7 million (I know it sold more), that would be terrible. Either way, 20k isn't good, maybe "dead" was an over exaggeration, but 20k is still terrible.

this is the main problem of this thread:

TC has no idea what a 'fad' is....

all problems are stemming from that

ogvampire

Fads can last more than 2, 3, 4, 5 years.

Hair crimping anyone?

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

this is the main problem of this thread:

TC has no idea what a 'fad' is....

all problems are stemming from that

hakanakumono

Fads can last more than 2, 3, 4, 5 years.

Hair crimping anyone?

so every console is a fad then.... what else is new?

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

Now adhering to the English language is a bias. :roll:

hakanakumono

no. constantly backtracking on what he 'meant' IS spinning...

Learn what spinning is. He did put a spin on things, but not what you claimed he did (or maye you did, you seem to think absolutely anything can be a "spin."

A spin is taking the facts and twisting them to look a certain way. So yes, naturally there is going to be a lot of "spin" put into this topic.

Using the word "lack" for its actual meaning is not a spin. It is using the word correctly. The only time when "lack" means complete "absence" is when there is only one of something. In most cases, like sales, it means that there is some amount less although the amount is undefined.

he used 'lack' as in 'lack of consumer interest'

he is using it incorrectly if during that 'lack of consumer interest' it was STILL outselling the competition.... obviously there was no 'lack'

also, he said 'lack, not absense'

'lack' can be 'absense'. he made it seem like it was 2 different things

[QUOTE="GundamGuy0"]

I know your talking only about Wii sales and only in Japan, but I agree it would be nice to see the comparison of the PS3's and Xbox360's sales over those periods to see if there is something beyond the fad breaking which is effecting the Wii... Something that effects the industry as a whole perhaps...

You've done a good job of showing correlation but you've failed with the causation because you've not provided any real ansers as to why it's like this.

I say it has to do with the DS dominating the Japanse Market... and coruding out the consoles. Japanese gamers are happy with teh DS and it's RPG heavy line up, as well as it's solid general line up.

Famiking

Okay.

Running YOY:

2007: 218,725
2008: 273,048
2009: 195,448

YOY:

2007 - 62,010
2008 - 37,175
2009 - 99,072

It's quite obvious that both consoles are in completely different situations.

Also, I did give causation, lack of interest from consumers, causing a lack in sales.

I guess the charts above completely nullify your last argument.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

this is the main problem of this thread:

TC has no idea what a 'fad' is....

all problems are stemming from that

Famiking

if its still outselling the competition, its not a fad. when fads go out, they DIE, they do not continue to outsell the competition... duh

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

this is the main problem of this thread:

TC has no idea what a 'fad' is....

all problems are stemming from that

Famiking

[QUOTE="Famiking"][QUOTE="ogvampire"]

this is the main problem of this thread:

TC has no idea what a 'fad' is....

all problems are stemming from that

ogvampire

if its still outselling the competition, its not a fad. when fads go out, they DIE, they do not continue to outsell the competition... duh

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="Famiking"] Then please enlighten us Mr. Dictionary on how it isn't a fad, a product that once enjoyed immense popularity and is now only a shadow of such? Don't forget to use facts, y'know... facts... not your "2 years!" rubbish.Famiking

if its still outselling the competition, its not a fad. when fads go out, they DIE, they do not continue to outsell the competition... duh

if its outselling the competition, its STILL popular...

especially considering that its a console that only plays games, and it has been having a game drought and its STILL outselling the competition.

that = popularity

[QUOTE="GundamGuy0"] It's still hugely popular... selling tons of software. Popularity isn't reflected 100% in sales. Famiking

that was industry-wide

big name games sell millions, others no.....

Actually, I didn't ask for older releases. I was looking for newer ones actually. The increase of PS3 and 360 sales recently in Japan is because of Street Fighter 4, Star Ocean, and Yakuza 3. The Wii hasn't had any games like that recently, which would account for the below average sales. You seem to agree with that, based on previous posts, so I'm not sure what you're arguing.jim1029

[QUOTE="Battmen"]

[QUOTE="Famiking"]Because that's not what this thread is about?

It should be moddable to not read outside the thread title, like I said to someone else, this thread is more about Wii's low sales than the temporary bump of the PS3.Famiking

OK I must be reading this wrongin Japan Wii 7.5 million, PS3 2.5 million and the360 1 million... and theWii has low sales... Oh YES you are write the DS sales are WAY higher nowI get it. Thanks...

It should be moddable to not read outside the thread title this thread is more about Wii's low sales than the temporary bump of the PS3.Things that have been written a million times

Except this is what you are doing:

"How do you say "mustard" in French, miss?"

"Grey Poupon"

"That's not what my girlfriend said..."

It's like trying to teach a person French who thinks they are a French maid.

if its outselling the competition, its STILL popular...

especially considering that its a console that only plays games, and it has been having a game drought and its STILL outselling the competition.

that = popularity

ogvampire

How is it popular if its not popular?

The PS2 was popular, the Wii is NOT popular.

Just because it's outselling its petty competition, doesn't mean it's popular by any stretch of the imagination.

Looks like someone needs a definition of popular.

Except this is what you are doing:

"How do you say "mustard" in French, miss?"

"Grey Poupon"

"That's not what my girlfriend said..."

It's like trying to teach a person French who thinks they are a French maid.

Zhengi

And he shouldn't be talking about his girlfriend anyway.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

if its outselling the competition, its STILL popular...

especially considering that its a console that only plays games, and it has been having a game drought and its STILL outselling the competition.

that = popularity

Famiking

How is it popular if its not popular?

The PS2 was popular, the Wii is NOT popular.

Just because it's outselling its petty competition,doesn't mean it's popular by any stretch of the imagination.

Looks like someone needs a definition of popular.

no. thats exactly what it means

there are much better mp3 players than the ipod, but the ipod outsells them because it is popular

the Wii has been having a game drought for a while now, but it is still outselling the competition because... wait for it... its popular

looks like someone needs a definition of the word 'logic'. its sadly missing from almost all of your posts

[QUOTE="Zhengi"]Except this is what you are doing:

"How do you say "mustard" in French, miss?"

"Grey Poupon"

"That's not what my girlfriend said..."

It's like trying to teach a person French who thinks they are a French maid.

Famiking

And he shouldn't be talking about his girlfriend anyway.

iPod actually has a volume of sales worth mentioning, unlike the Wii.Famiking

yeah, cause thats the point i was trying to make... right :roll:

[QUOTE="Famiking"]iPod actually has a volume of sales worth mentioning, unlike the Wii.ogvampire

yeah, cause thats the point i was trying to make... right :roll:

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="Famiking"]iPod actually has a volume of sales worth mentioning, unlike the Wii.Famiking

yeah, cause thats the point i was trying to make... right :roll:

reality check: no, it means the japanese people are not buying consoles... they are buying alot more handhelds

i love your logic: the wii isnt popular, its competition is just doing bad... :lol:

thanks for the laugh

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="Famiking"]iPod actually has a volume of sales worth mentioning, unlike the Wii.Famiking

yeah, cause thats the point i was trying to make... right :roll:

Did you just call Wii sales bad? :|

http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=Wii®1=Japan&cons2=PS3®2=Japan&cons3=PS2®3=Japan&weeks=156

Selling nearly as much in Japan as the PS2.

http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=Wii®1=All&cons2=PS3®2=Japan&cons3=PS2®3=All&weeks=156

Worldwide it's selling far more then the PS2. I know this thread is just about Japan, but come on. (The PS3 numbers aren't for comparison, I just needed to have a 3rd system.)