The Fad is over- Japan Sales: PS3 35k, X360 13k, Wii 22k

[QUOTE="Famiking"][QUOTE="ogvampire"]

yeah, cause thats the point i was trying to make... right :roll:

jim1029

Did you just call Wii sales bad? :|

http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=Wii®1=Japan&cons2=PS3®2=Japan&cons3=PS2®3=Japan&weeks=156

Selling nearly as much in Japan as the PS2.

http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=Wii®1=All&cons2=PS3®2=Japan&cons3=PS2®3=All&weeks=156

Worldwide it's selling far more then the PS2. I know this thread is just about Japan, but come on. (The PS3 numbers aren't for comparison, I just needed to have a 3rd system.)

[QUOTE="Famiking"][QUOTE="ogvampire"]

yeah, cause thats the point i was trying to make... right :roll:

jim1029

Did you just call Wii sales bad? :|

http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=Wii®1=Japan&cons2=PS3®2=Japan&cons3=PS2®3=Japan&weeks=156

Selling nearly as much in Japan as the PS2.

http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=Wii®1=All&cons2=PS3®2=Japan&cons3=PS2®3=All&weeks=156

Worldwide it's selling far more then the PS2. I know this thread is just about Japan, but come on. (The PS3 numbers aren't for comparison, I just needed to have a 3rd system.)

This is what your link told me: The Wii was popular, it was even besting the PS2. Eventually sales fell, and it fell behind the PS2. Fin. And I don't think I ever doubted the worldwide success of the Wii.Famiking

[QUOTE="jim1029"]

[QUOTE="Famiking"] I saw your point, but you forgot the obvious distinction. iPod is popular, because it actually has a good amount of sales. Wii is not popular, because its sales are terrible. Just because it's beating it's competition which find it difficult to top 20k doesn't mean it's doing well, it means the competition is doing bad. It's Wii = Bad PS3 = Worse 360 = Worst not Wii = Good PS3 = Average 360 = Below Average.Famiking

Did you just call Wii sales bad? :|

http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=Wii®1=Japan&cons2=PS3®2=Japan&cons3=PS2®3=Japan&weeks=156

Selling nearly as much in Japan as the PS2.

http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=Wii®1=All&cons2=PS3®2=Japan&cons3=PS2®3=All&weeks=156

Worldwide it's selling far more then the PS2. I know this thread is just about Japan, but come on. (The PS3 numbers aren't for comparison, I just needed to have a 3rd system.)

are we even looking at the same graph?

it shows the steady incline of the wii, with a spike here and there, just like the ps2

I love how the thread title changed when the media create numbers came out lol. That alone invalidates the whole thread. Anyway, how is the fad over? Its selling average now and the fad has been confirmed over? In like a month or so, everything will be back to normal and people will deny this ever happened. I'll wait for monster hunter and tales of Grace to ship before making a decision but for right now, the only thing that can be certain is that this thread shouldn't exist.

reality check: no, it means the japanese people are not buying consoles... they are buying alot more handhelds

i love your logic: the wii isnt popular, its competition is just doing bad... :lol:

thanks for the laugh

ogvampire

Looks, like I have to repost AGAIN

[QUOTE="GundamGuy0"]

You've done a good job of showing correlation but you've failed with the causation because you've not provided any real ansers as to why it's like this.

I say it has to do with the DS dominating the Japanse Market... and coruding out the consoles. Japanese gamers are happy with teh DS and it's RPG heavy line up, as well as it's solid general line up.

Famiking

Okay.

Running YOY:

2007: 218,725
2008: 273,048
2009: 195,448

YOY:

2007 - 62,010
2008 - 37,175
2009 - 99,072

I guess the charts above completely nullify your last argument.

If the DS killed the Wii, why didn't it kill the PS3 and 360 to the same extent?

--Seriously, you're just recycling old arguments at this point.

I love how the thread title changed when the media create numbers came out lol. That alone invalidates the whole thread. Anyway, how is the fad over? Its selling average now and the fad has been confirmed over? In like a month or so, everything will be back to normal and people will deny this ever happened. I'll wait for monster hunter and tales of Grace to ship before making a decision but for right now, the only thing that can be certain is that this thread shouldn't exist.

ActicEdge

I love how the thread title changed when the media create numbers came out lol. That alone invalidates the whole thread. Anyway, how is the fad over? Its selling average now and the fad has been confirmed over? In like a month or so, everything will be back to normal and people will deny this ever happened. I'll wait for monster hunter and tales of Grace to ship before making a decision but for right now, the only thing that can be certain is that this thread shouldn't exist.

ActicEdge

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

Looks, like I have to repost AGAIN

[QUOTE="Famiking"]

[QUOTE="GundamGuy0"]

You've done a good job of showing correlation but you've failed with the causation because you've not provided any real ansers as to why it's like this.

I say it has to do with the DS dominating the Japanse Market... and coruding out the consoles. Japanese gamers are happy with teh DS and it's RPG heavy line up, as well as it's solid general line up.

Famiking

Okay.

Running YOY:

2007: 218,725
2008: 273,048
2009: 195,448

YOY:

2007 - 62,010
2008 - 37,175
2009 - 99,072

I guess the charts above completely nullify your last argument.

If the DS killed the Wii, why didn't it kill the PS3 and 360 to the same extent?

--Seriously, you're just recycling old arguments at this point.

The PS3 and Xbox360 are feeling the effects too, they are performing worse then expected.

I love how the thread title changed when the media create numbers came out lol. That alone invalidates the whole thread. Anyway, how is the fad over? Its selling average now and the fad has been confirmed over? In like a month or so, everything will be back to normal and people will deny this ever happened. I'll wait for monster hunter and tales of Grace to ship before making a decision but for right now, the only thing that can be certain is that this thread shouldn't exist.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

I love how the thread title changed when the media create numbers came out lol. That alone invalidates the whole thread. Anyway, how is the fad over? Its selling average now and the fad has been confirmed over? In like a month or so, everything will be back to normal and people will deny this ever happened. I'll wait for monster hunter and tales of Grace to ship before making a decision but for right now, the only thing that can be certain is that this thread shouldn't exist.

Famiking

What is the Japanese average weekly sales, (Seasonal adjusted of course)

I would love to know.

Because the DS is a better substitute for the Wii then it is for the PS3 or Xbox360.

GundamGuy0

Either way - I don't think this nullifies the arguement that the Wii is a fad.

[QUOTE="Famiking"]This is what your link told me: The Wii was popular, it was even besting the PS2. Eventually sales fell, and it fell behind the PS2. Fin. And I don't think I ever doubted the worldwide success of the Wii.jim1029

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

I love how the thread title changed when the media create numbers came out lol. That alone invalidates the whole thread. Anyway, how is the fad over? Its selling average now and the fad has been confirmed over? In like a month or so, everything will be back to normal and people will deny this ever happened. I'll wait for monster hunter and tales of Grace to ship before making a decision but for right now, the only thing that can be certain is that this thread shouldn't exist.

Famiking

Tell me how this makes the fad over all of a sudden? The other consoles have sold worse than that and they are fine. No a better question, who cares whether the fad is over or not when its still selling fine and it hasn't received one system seller yet this year? No, an even better question, why is japan (the smallest of the 3 markets) deciding whether or not the fad is over?

[QUOTE="Famiking"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

I love how the thread title changed when the media create numbers came out lol. That alone invalidates the whole thread. Anyway, how is the fad over? Its selling average now and the fad has been confirmed over? In like a month or so, everything will be back to normal and people will deny this ever happened. I'll wait for monster hunter and tales of Grace to ship before making a decision but for right now, the only thing that can be certain is that this thread shouldn't exist.

GundamGuy0

[QUOTE="GundamGuy0"] Because the DS is a better substitute for the Wii then it is for the PS3 or Xbox360.

Famiking

Either way - I don't think this nullifies the arguement that the Wii is a fad.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

Looks, like I have to repost AGAIN

[QUOTE="Famiking"]

[QUOTE="GundamGuy0"]

You've done a good job of showing correlation but you've failed with the causation because you've not provided any real ansers as to why it's like this.

I say it has to do with the DS dominating the Japanse Market... and coruding out the consoles. Japanese gamers are happy with teh DS and it's RPG heavy line up, as well as it's solid general line up.

Famiking

Okay.

Running YOY:

2007: 218,725
2008: 273,048
2009: 195,448

YOY:

2007 - 62,010
2008 - 37,175
2009 - 99,072

I guess the charts above completely nullify your last argument.

If the DS killed the Wii, why didn't it kill the PS3 and 360 to the same extent?

--Seriously, you're just recycling old arguments at this point.

i dont know what reality you live in, but the ps3 and 360 are doing horribly in japan

[QUOTE="Zhengi"] I'm pretty sure that back in the day, people who thought the earth was flat instead of round were pretty stubborn in their belief. It took the Church almost 430 years to acknowledge Galileo's work as fact. So I doubt convincing you has anything to do with them being right.Famiking

actually, it is YOUR arguments that have been wrong or/and irrelevant.

you wont listen to reason, you just post numbers and put your own spin on them.... you are the church, we are galileo

i dont know what reality you live in, but the ps3 and 360 are doing horribly in japan

ogvampire

Yes... that's not an average number. and this 22 isn't the average for the Wii either. The Wii is less constant with more ups and downs, so I would love to know what it's average is... GundamGuy0

[QUOTE="Zhengi"] I'm pretty sure that back in the day, people who thought the earth was flat instead of round were pretty stubborn in their belief. It took the Church almost 430 years to acknowledge Galileo's work as fact. So I doubt convincing you has anything to do with them being right.Famiking

That's a mighty statement to make considering your using a consoole that only sold 35000 with one of its system sellers out to prove the fad is over. Or the fact that you had the wrong numbers up when the conversation started aand had to correct them which hurt your arguement. Let's pretend 22K is bad for a sec, How does that prove the fad is over?

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]i dont know what reality you live in, but the ps3 and 360 are doing horribly in japan

Famiking

Yes... that's not an average number. and this 22 isn't the average for the Wii either. The Wii is less constant with more ups and downs, so I would love to know what it's average is... GundamGuy0

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]i dont know what reality you live in, but the ps3 and 360 are doing horribly in japan

Famiking

Yes... that's not an average number. and this 22 isn't the average for the Wii either. The Wii is less constant with more ups and downs, so I would love to know what it's average is... GundamGuy0

you type with your tongue?! use your fingers, its much easier... :roll:

anyway, what is this magical point you are trying to make?

[QUOTE="GundamGuy0"] If your argument was near flawless then none of us would be disagreeing with you either. But instead of reporting facts. Your taking those facts and interpreting them... people don't agree with your interpretation. Famiking

you type with your tongue?! use your fingers, its much easier... :roll:

anyway, what is this magical point you are trying to make?

ogvampire

[QUOTE="Famiking"][QUOTE="GundamGuy0"] If your argument was near flawless then none of us would be disagreeing with you either. But instead of reporting facts. Your taking those facts and interpreting them... people don't agree with your interpretation. jim1029

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

you type with your tongue?! use your fingers, its much easier... :roll:

anyway, what is this magical point you are trying to make?

[QUOTE="jim1029"][QUOTE="Famiking"] Then please do tell what the collapse in Wii sales mean, because everything everyone is pointing towards would mean that something should've also happened, which it didn't (citing the DS example here).Famiking

Then why are you calling it the end of a fad when you think that the sales decrease is for a completely different reason?

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

you type with your tongue?! use your fingers, its much easier... :roll:

anyway, what is this magical point you are trying to make?

Famiking

HOW do you know they havent been hit hard? their sales have been horrible since launch...

[QUOTE="jim1029"] Compared to what?Famiking

HOW do you know they havent been hit hard?ogvampire

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]HOW do you know they havent been hit hard?Famiking

funny, thats exactly how we feel

you are just intrepreting numbers, speculating on what they mean WITH NO PROOF of anything

[QUOTE="Famiking"][QUOTE="jim1029"] Compared to what?jim1029

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

you type with your tongue?! use your fingers, its much easier... :roll:

anyway, what is this magical point you are trying to make?

Famiking

The PS3 and Xbox360 are going up because they had no where to go but up... they were abysmal prior to this. They haven't reached a saturation point were the sell though of the DS has a big effect yet. Because they are lower the effect is smaller, and is easyer to over come. It's an issue of magnatude.

[QUOTE="jim1029"][QUOTE="Famiking"] Then please do tell what the collapse in Wii sales mean, because everything everyone is pointing towards would mean that something should've also happened, which it didn't (citing the DS example here).Famiking

Uh, that is the truth. No games means nothing to stimulate console sales. How does that mean the fad is over?

i suppose the iphone is a fad as well, i mean its recent sales are nothing compared to its launch sales, right?

same with music.... metallica's latest CD was a fad because its second week sales were nothing compared to its short-lived launch sales

this is your logic....

[QUOTE="Famiking"][QUOTE="ogvampire"]HOW do you know they havent been hit hard?ogvampire

funny, thats exactly how we feel

you are just intrepreting numbers, speculating on what they mean WITH NO PROOF of anything

[QUOTE="jim1029"][QUOTE="Famiking"] Compared to its former sales (fad), and the PS2.Famiking

[QUOTE="Famiking"]

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

you type with your tongue?! use your fingers, its much easier... :roll:

anyway, what is this magical point you are trying to make?

GundamGuy0

The PS3 and Xbox360 are going up because they had no where to go but up... they were abysmal prior to this. They haven't reached a saturation point were the sell though of the DS has a big effect yet. Because they are lower the effect is smaller, and is easyer to over come. It's an issue of magnatude.

you are fighting a lonely, and losing, battle.... i dont see anybody backing you up, especially in SW where the Wii is not liked very much

i suppose the iphone is a fad as well, i mean its recent sales are nothing compared to its launch sales, right?

same with music.... metallica's latest CD was a fad because its second week sales were nothing compared to its short-lived launch sales

this is your logic....

ogvampire

[QUOTE="GundamGuy0"] If your argument was near flawless then none of us would be disagreeing with you either. But instead of reporting facts. Your taking those facts and interpreting them... people don't agree with your interpretation. Famiking

Your throwing words around like collapse. The sales fell, but I don't know that I would call it a collapse. It's your interpertation, that this represents the peak which you've not really justified, and can't just justify with numbers. You have to include an economic theory, or some theory as to why this is happening. Your theory is that people have lost intrest, but it seems that you draw that conclusion from the same information data. In other words your theory is tautologous, or impossible to prove, or argue.

In order to win this you need another soruce of eveidence, perhaps something showing it's not a media darling anymore, or that that favor has shifted to another product.

[QUOTE="Famiking"][QUOTE="jim1029"] Then any movie that doesn't sell as well as The Dark Knight has crap sales too, right?jim1029